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2013-07-26 07:58:47 AM  
FTFA: "Come clean as quickly as you possibly can," Rose said

If only you'd followed your own advice....
 
2013-07-26 08:00:46 AM  
He would know best

/Woulda bet on my own team winning every game.
 
2013-07-26 08:10:26 AM  

babysealclubber: If only you'd followed your own advice....


In reading Fay Vincent's autobiography, "The Last Commissioner," I'm guessing that wouldn't have mattered.  They had him cold, and no matter what he was getting the banhammer.
 
2013-07-26 08:15:04 AM  
www.poorwilliam.net
"You're tellin' me!"
 
2013-07-26 08:15:19 AM  

mactheknife: babysealclubber: If only you'd followed your own advice....

In reading Fay Vincent's autobiography, "The Last Commissioner," I'm guessing that wouldn't have mattered.  They had him cold, and no matter what he was getting the banhammer.


I think he had a better chance of getting the ban lifted if he hadn't feigned innocence to the public for so long.
 
2013-07-26 08:15:37 AM  

babysealclubber: FTFA: "Come clean as quickly as you possibly can," Rose said

If only you'd followed your own advice....


I think that's the whole point of the interview. Basically saying "If you want to handle things completely the wrong way, do what I did."
 
2013-07-26 08:25:29 AM  

glave27: babysealclubber: FTFA: "Come clean as quickly as you possibly can," Rose said

If only you'd followed your own advice....

I think that's the whole point of the interview. Basically saying "If you want to handle things completely the wrong way, do what I did."


Yeah, I got that. I'm just a Reds fan dwelling on that tidbit.
 
2013-07-26 08:41:57 AM  
That's about the most down-to-earth, human article on Rose I've read in two decades. He actually comes across as a decent guy.
 
2013-07-26 08:50:39 AM  
But thats the thing, what did he do really? He gambled. If they could prove he threw games to get winnings then that makes sense. I dont see why there was a big stink if he bet on games that he had nothing to do with. does anyone here know if his gambling had actual effects on games? As stated before, i would always bet on my team. if you play well and win then what is the harm?
 
2013-07-26 08:56:33 AM  

Sandusky Knows Best: But thats the thing, what did he do really? He gambled. If they could prove he threw games to get winnings then that makes sense. I dont see why there was a big stink if he bet on games that he had nothing to do with. does anyone here know if his gambling had actual effects on games? As stated before, i would always bet on my team. if you play well and win then what is the harm?


To protect the integrity of baseball. If you couldn't keep a straight face reading that, either, you won't be hired by Major League Baseball.
 
2013-07-26 09:12:48 AM  
It's too bad that Pete Rose is banned from the Hall of Fame, but it's even worse that during every thread about him the thread is all about his off the field problems instead of what a complete and solid player he was. Remember when he caught the foul pop that the catcher muffed in the World Series when he was with the Phillies? I used it as a coaching tool in little league for the next five years as an example of what happens when you back up the play.

Remember how pissed he was at Gene Garber when Garber ended his 44 game hitting streak by throwing everything six inches off the plate in his last chance at bat to get a hit, then celebrated like he'd won the 7th game of the World Series when Rose, who couldn't walk to keep his streak alive, stuck out on a pitch way out of the strike zone?

Yeah, it's too bad that he's remembered as the tax cheater who bet on baseball then lied about it for years. But it's nice of him to give a word to the wise. Not that this dumbass is going to listen to him. A younger Pete Rose wouldn't have either.
 
2013-07-26 09:14:06 AM  

Sandusky Knows Best: But thats the thing, what did he do really? He gambled. If they could prove he threw games to get winnings then that makes sense. I dont see why there was a big stink if he bet on games that he had nothing to do with. does anyone here know if his gambling had actual effects on games? As stated before, i would always bet on my team. if you play well and win then what is the harm?


He was a manager too.  If you keep your ace in for an extra two innings to improve your chances of winning a game that doesn't matter that much in July at the possible expense of his long term shoulder health, that's a problem.

Also, it's not like the "don't gamble on baseball" rule is a secret that they sprung on him.  It's well known.  He could gamble on every other thing like Jordan.
 
2013-07-26 09:16:50 AM  

you have pee hands: He could gamble on every other thing like Jordan and just left to go play another sport for a few years while the heat died down


FTFY
 
2013-07-26 09:23:00 AM  

Sandusky Knows Best: As stated before, i would always bet on my team. if you play well and win then what is the harm?


What if you don't win? What happens when you start racking up large losses? You don't think that's not going to lead to possible situations where you're intentionally doing other things (such as trying to throw other games) just to mitigate those losses, perhaps under pressure from certain bookies or other outside influences?

And even if you're winning, by having money on the line, you're going to make decisions which are more money-based than baseball-based. Having pitchers stay in longer, or get pulled faster, than you otherwise might. Ignore injuries more. Anything which gives you a perceived advantage in trying to score (or prevent scoring) even one more run, just in case, regardless of what it means long-term to the players and the club.

For crying out loud, rule #1 of baseball's no-no list is "DO NOT GAMBLE ON THE GAME, NO MATTER WHAT". It's been that way for almost 100 years now. (And 80 years when Rose got caught.) It's not a minor rule, it's not something that anyone can accidentally violate, it's not even a hard-to-understand footnote. You don't gamble on the game, period, because it can open cans of worms that are better off staying shut.
 
2013-07-26 09:26:53 AM  
BTW, having said all of that, note that the Hall of Fame is not run by MLB. They set their own rules. And, in fact, the "banned for baseball, ineligible for the Hall" rule wasn't implemented until after Rose got banned, which told you how much they thought of letting him in.
 
2013-07-26 09:28:42 AM  
I'm not defending the PED crowd, but they didn't put themselves in the position of preferring to win some games more than others, or possibly even intentionally losing games. Gambling is worse.


Aside from the gambling, Rose should be banned for his autobiography. That is the worst book I have ever read.
 
2013-07-26 09:36:33 AM  

Sandusky Knows Best: But thats the thing, what did he do really? He gambled. If they could prove he threw games to get winnings then that makes sense. I dont see why there was a big stink if he bet on games that he had nothing to do with. does anyone here know if his gambling had actual effects on games? As stated before, i would always bet on my team. if you play well and win then what is the harm?


Because others would bet against their team.  It's far easier to intentionally lose a game than to intentionally win one. Especially in baseball, where a timely strikeout can change the course of a game.
 
2013-07-26 09:38:21 AM  

Sandusky Knows Best: He would know best

/Woulda bet on my own team winning every game.


Except it's not just on your team to win, it's about the point spread and total points as well.  Something that you can easily manipulate as manager.
 
2013-07-26 09:48:26 AM  

varmitydog: It's too bad that Pete Rose is banned from the Hall of Fame, but it's even worse that during every thread about him the thread is all about his off the field problems instead of what a complete and solid player he was. Remember when he caught the foul pop that the catcher muffed in the World Series when he was with the Phillies? I used it as a coaching tool in little league for the next five years as an example of what happens when you back up the play.

Remember how pissed he was at Gene Garber when Garber ended his 44 game hitting streak by throwing everything six inches off the plate in his last chance at bat to get a hit, then celebrated like he'd won the 7th game of the World Series when Rose, who couldn't walk to keep his streak alive, stuck out on a pitch way out of the strike zone?

Yeah, it's too bad that he's remembered as the tax cheater who bet on baseball then lied about it for years. But it's nice of him to give a word to the wise. Not that this dumbass is going to listen to him. A younger Pete Rose wouldn't have either.


Pete Rose was ahead of my time, but I have always heard about the intensity level of his play.  Before I popped into the comments I was trying to find a good highlight reel online, no luck.  Any suggestions?
 
2013-07-26 09:48:37 AM  
Hey, it's a just a little gambling, no big deal, it's not like a gambling scandal 90 years ago almost ruined baseball entirely until one man changed pro sports/athletes forever
 
2013-07-26 10:08:28 AM  
All good points made. It is why i asked. I dont gamble besides blackjack so i never thought to worry about point spreads or anything like that. Also never knew pete rose was anything more than a player
 
2013-07-26 10:09:50 AM  
Rose admitted fault to Commissioner Bud Selig. He has filed for reinstatement multiple times, but Selig has yet to rule on his case.

It's a pocket veto, and I think we can all pretty-much agree that Bud Selig is a slimy piece of shiat.
 
2013-07-26 10:33:37 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Rose admitted fault to Commissioner Bud Selig. He has filed for reinstatement multiple times, but Selig has yet to rule on his case.

It's a pocket veto, and I think we can all pretty-much agree that Bud Selig is a slimy piece of shiat.


Not slimy (in this case, anyway).

Selig's waiting for Rose to die. Then, he can let him in the Hall as a player without having to hear much about it - Rose's playing career deserves to be in the Hall no matter what you think of the man or the manager, and a posthumous selection means Rose himself won't get to wear a shiat-eating grin during his induction speech.

// Rose fan, and I'd love to see him deliver an MLB-approved speech on his induction day, but that's not happening
 
2013-07-26 10:40:55 AM  
"But the most important thing in baseball - the history of baseball - is the stats.

And all this time I thought it was winning games.  I still have much to learn.
 
2013-07-26 10:53:50 AM  

Joe_diGriz: What if you don't win? What happens when you start racking up large losses? You don't think that's not going to lead to possible situations where you're intentionally doing other things (such as trying to throw other games) just to mitigate those losses, perhaps under pressure from certain bookies or other outside influences?


Rose was (iirc) half a million in hock to the New York mob. That should be game-set-match against him right there.

And even if you're winning, by having money on the line, you're going to make decisions which are more money-based than baseball-based. Having pitchers stay in longer, or get pulled faster, than you otherwise might. Ignore injuries more. Anything which gives you a perceived advantage in trying to score (or prevent scoring) even one more run, just in case, regardless of what it means long-term to the players and the club.

The Dowd investigation only has betting slips going back to '87-88, but Rose from the start of his managerial career made all kinds of calls that call the credibility of his managing into question.

Last game of the '84 season, Reds are 20+ games out, the Reds have a meaningless game with Houston...and Rose sends his ace Mario Soto out on three days' rest to throw a complete game...where he gave up six runs and faced 39 batters. Figuring on closer to 4 pitches per batter what with Soto struggling late, he had to be up around 150-160 pitches. In a meaningless game. The kind of game where a normal manager runs out his AAA guys and rookies for an inning or two each to look at what they have.

Hmm.

And there was nobody else, not even in the 80's, sending pitchers out on 3 days' rest as often as Rose did with Soto, who was a tremendous pitcher but wasn't exactly an innings-eating horse.

A couple years of that and Soto's arm goes kerblooey...and then when he comes back, Rose isn't betting the games Soto is starting.

Hmm.

Either Rose had no clue on how to handle pitchers (even after playing under Captain Hook all those years), or he ran Soto out there because he had extra money on those particular games.

"I did nothing to alter any stats."

Except pad them by penciling yourself in the lineup until you passed Cobb, Pete.
 
2013-07-26 11:02:51 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Selig's waiting for Rose to die. Then, he can let him in the Hall as a player without having to hear much about it - Rose's playing career deserves to be in the Hall no matter what you think of the man or the manager, and a posthumous selection means Rose himself won't get to wear a shiat-eating grin during his induction speech.


From a cornfield in Iowa somewhere, Shoeless Joe just read this comment and said "HEY!"
 
2013-07-26 11:05:18 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Benevolent Misanthrope: Rose admitted fault to Commissioner Bud Selig. He has filed for reinstatement multiple times, but Selig has yet to rule on his case.

It's a pocket veto, and I think we can all pretty-much agree that Bud Selig is a slimy piece of shiat.

Not slimy (in this case, anyway).


No, just in general.


Selig's waiting for Rose to die. Then, he can let him in the Hall as a player without having to hear much about it - Rose's playing career deserves to be in the Hall no matter what you think of the man or the manager, and a posthumous selection means Rose himself won't get to wear a shiat-eating grin during his induction speech.

// Rose fan, and I'd love to see him deliver an MLB-approved speech on his induction day, but that's not happening


Same here - but you're right about Rose's Induction speech.  He wouldn't be able to resist grinning in Selig's face.
 
2013-07-26 11:13:43 AM  

BunkoSquad: Dr Dreidel: Selig's waiting for Rose to die. Then, he can let him in the Hall as a player without having to hear much about it - Rose's playing career deserves to be in the Hall no matter what you think of the man or the manager, and a posthumous selection means Rose himself won't get to wear a shiat-eating grin during his induction speech.

From a cornfield in Iowa somewhere, Shoeless Joe just read this comment and said "HEY!"


Maybe in 2019 as a centennial commemoration. It may be the next Commish who lets Rose in (Selig apparently had/has a vendetta against Rose from the Bart Giamatti days, at least according to Rose).

// don't the Black Sox have their own Hall exhibit anyway?
 
2013-07-26 11:14:13 AM  
Pete will never, ever understand why what he did was wrong, far more wrong than any players using steroids.

By betting on his own team he put himself in the position of having to make moves to cover his bets. How many pitchers did he use up trying to cover his bets? How many players did he ruin by keeping them in the game when they should have been on their way to the DL or getting much-needed rest? Mario Soto is the ultimate example of what I'm talking about, he got chewed up and spit out by Rose.

By contrast, a juicer hurts only himself.
 
2013-07-26 11:15:39 AM  

Sandusky Knows Best: But thats the thing, what did he do really? He gambled. If they could prove he threw games to get winnings then that makes sense. I dont see why there was a big stink if he bet on games that he had nothing to do with. does anyone here know if his gambling had actual effects on games? As stated before, i would always bet on my team. if you play well and win then what is the harm?




One must not have the appearance of impropriety.
 
2013-07-26 11:16:06 AM  
I have a feeling Rose isn't ever getting in, even when he dies.  Gambling on baseball is much more potentially damaging to the game than PED.
 
2013-07-26 11:31:36 AM  
I grew up watching Rose play with the Reds and later with the Phillies.  He was amazing to watch as a player because it never mattered what the score was, he played all out.  Running to first after a walk is something you rarely, if ever see.  He was cocky, arrogant, and backed it up every play.  I agree he was wrong gambling on the game.  I believe his stats as a player make him a candidate for the HOF.

/Selig is a worthless piece of shiat
//my opininion
///lawn
 
2013-07-26 11:47:49 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Pete will never, ever understand why what he did was wrong, far more wrong than any players using steroids.

By betting on his own team he put himself in the position of having to make moves to cover his bets. How many pitchers did he use up trying to cover his bets? How many players did he ruin by keeping them in the game when they should have been on their way to the DL or getting much-needed rest? Mario Soto is the ultimate example of what I'm talking about, he got chewed up and spit out by Rose.

By contrast, a juicer hurts only himself.


Or, as Peter Gammons so succinctly put it once: If he for any reason chooses not to bet on his team one day, isn't that effectively a bet AGAINST his team?
 
2013-07-26 11:47:56 AM  

Dr Dreidel: don't the Black Sox have their own Hall exhibit anyway?


Yes, but about that...
 
2013-07-26 11:53:38 AM  

Dr Dreidel: BunkoSquad: Dr Dreidel: Selig's waiting for Rose to die. Then, he can let him in the Hall as a player without having to hear much about it - Rose's playing career deserves to be in the Hall no matter what you think of the man or the manager, and a posthumous selection means Rose himself won't get to wear a shiat-eating grin during his induction speech.

From a cornfield in Iowa somewhere, Shoeless Joe just read this comment and said "HEY!"

Maybe in 2019 as a centennial commemoration. It may be the next Commish who lets Rose in (Selig apparently had/has a vendetta against Rose from the Bart Giamatti days, at least according to Rose).

// don't the Black Sox have their own Hall exhibit anyway?


I have been told that Rose has one too. They just don't have plaques in the Hall. I am quite content with that.
 
2013-07-26 11:58:31 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: By contrast, a juicer hurts only himself.


That depends. If he's playing against clean players and the PEDs give him an edge that costs the clean players key victories...then the juicer is clearly hurting the game. If a clean Ryan Braun goes 5-for-18 in the 2011 NLDS instead of 9-for-18, maybe Arizona advances instead of Milwaukee.

I can't help but think back to Luis Gonzalez in the 2001 World Series. Here's a guy who hasn't been mentioned much as a steroids-era sleazeball, but he's got the same classic metamorphosis as Barry Bonds - scrawny rookie bounces around the league, at age 34 becomes a 57-HR monster, then reverts to middling stats as quickly as his stats (and biceps) ballooned. And before somebody says b-b-b-b-b-but George Foster...Foster was 28 when he went for 52 dingers in 1977.

Maybe that last ball of the '01 Series hit by a clean Gonzalez lands harmlessly in Jeter or Soriano's glove.
 
2013-07-26 12:06:54 PM  
Hey, it's a just a little gambling, no big deal, it's not like a gambling scandal 90 years ago almost ruined baseball entirely until one man changed pro sports/athletes forever

Does all your knowledge of baseball come from Hollywood movies?
 
2013-07-26 12:24:03 PM  

Gulper Eel: Adolf Oliver Nipples: By contrast, a juicer hurts only himself.

That depends. If he's playing against clean players and the PEDs give him an edge that costs the clean players key victories...then the juicer is clearly hurting the game. If a clean Ryan Braun goes 5-for-18 in the 2011 NLDS instead of 9-for-18, maybe Arizona advances instead of Milwaukee.

I can't help but think back to Luis Gonzalez in the 2001 World Series. Here's a guy who hasn't been mentioned much as a steroids-era sleazeball, but he's got the same classic metamorphosis as Barry Bonds - scrawny rookie bounces around the league, at age 34 becomes a 57-HR monster, then reverts to middling stats as quickly as his stats (and biceps) ballooned. And before somebody says b-b-b-b-b-but George Foster...Foster was 28 when he went for 52 dingers in 1977.

Maybe that last ball of the '01 Series hit by a clean Gonzalez lands harmlessly in Jeter or Soriano's glove.


The thing about PEDs, emery boards, pine tar, etc, is that any player cheating in that sense is trying to gain an edge, help his team win no matter what. Cheating exists in every sport and will continue to exist in every sport.

Gambling, though? Worlds apart. In the case of Rose, you have a guy who gambles and may have been in the hole with the mob (the aspect I didn't know about, but it doesn't matter) and has a direct influence over outcomes of games. Win here, lose there, a run above the spread here, below the spread there. It farks with the very root concept of a "game" being contested on a field with an uncertain outcome.

If a guy is doing roids, he's trying to gain an edge and win, but the outcome is still uncertain. If a pitcher uses a nail file, he's trying to gain an edge and win, but the outcome is still uncertain. If the manager, or any player, is gambling or consorting with organized crime and can shave a run here, muff a groundball there, then game over, man. It might as well be scripted like professional wrestling.

"No gambling." Is the golden rule/prime directive in sports for a reason.
 
2013-07-26 12:37:26 PM  

Gonz: That's about the most down-to-earth, human article on Rose I've read in two decades. He actually comes across as a decent guy.


This. Sounds like he finally sobered/wised up
 
2013-07-26 12:44:42 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Benevolent Misanthrope: Rose admitted fault to Commissioner Bud Selig. He has filed for reinstatement multiple times, but Selig has yet to rule on his case.

It's a pocket veto, and I think we can all pretty-much agree that Bud Selig is a slimy piece of shiat.

Not slimy (in this case, anyway).

Selig's waiting for Rose to die. Then, he can let him in the Hall as a player without having to hear much about it - Rose's playing career deserves to be in the Hall no matter what you think of the man or the manager, and a posthumous selection means Rose himself won't get to wear a shiat-eating grin during his induction speech.

// Rose fan, and I'd love to see him deliver an MLB-approved speech on his induction day, but that's not happening


Knowing that he's probably going to get in posthumously, he should record a speech before he dies. Then instruct his kids or estate to release it after he's inducted (on the YouTube or whatever we're all using at the time). Or, if it's especially vitriolic and lulzy, the day after his induction, such that MLB and the Hall would have to eat it or look like even bigger tools booting him back out.
 
2013-07-26 12:50:56 PM  
I doubt they let Rose in posthumously They've got a lot more on him than they had on Shoeless Joe, and the Edison cylinders he recorded his speech on are still sitting around in Shoeless Joe Jackson IV's attic.
 
2013-07-26 01:31:28 PM  
I sat in on an interview of Pete Rose in Medford Oregon, at the grand opening of a sports memorabilia and gemstone museum, billed as a national sports hall of fame. It was owned by a friend of Pete's, Dennis Walker, who ran a bank in Tonga, in the South Pacific.

The memorabilia collection which was extensive, including Pete's record breaking bat, his Hickock Award belt (which from what I have read, Pete had secretly prised the precious stones from, and replaced with paste gems), numerous bats, balls and jerseys from famous athletes including Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Shoeless Joe Jackson,Wilt Chamberlain, George Mikan, Jim Thorpe, and Sammy Baugh among others, and assorted gemstones, some bigger than your fist. The collection was purchased with the assets of the Tongan bank.

A year or so later, Pete tried to cash in his stock in the Tongan bank, and found that the shares were worthless, so the guy he double-crossed had double-crossed him back. Shortly after, the entire collection disappeared, along with Dennis Walker. Walker was found dead in a bathtub in Las Vegas under suspicious circumstances, but the memorabilia has mostly been lost. Some pieces have been recovered in New York, but the majority of the collection remains unaccounted for.

I'm not accusing Pete Rose of anything, just sayin'.
 
2013-07-26 01:34:27 PM  

babysealclubber: FTFA: "Come clean as quickly as you possibly can," Rose said

If only you'd followed your own advice....


Or, better yet, if only he hadn't bet on games.
 
2013-07-26 01:47:50 PM  

Pontious Pilates: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Pete will never, ever understand why what he did was wrong, far more wrong than any players using steroids.

By betting on his own team he put himself in the position of having to make moves to cover his bets. How many pitchers did he use up trying to cover his bets? How many players did he ruin by keeping them in the game when they should have been on their way to the DL or getting much-needed rest? Mario Soto is the ultimate example of what I'm talking about, he got chewed up and spit out by Rose.

By contrast, a juicer hurts only himself.

Or, as Peter Gammons so succinctly put it once: If he for any reason chooses not to bet on his team one day, isn't that effectively a bet AGAINST his team?


Also, the whole. It doesn't need to be Pete betting. If he gets in the hole you always have the old "if the Reds fail to make the spread on this game we will call it even."

Back in the early 20th century, being a known associate of bookies was a serious black mark on your name because the idea that you might be helping them out. I believe that would be a touch extreme today (back then there were serious issues with gambling so it is more understandable) but when the guys has admitted to betting on his own games already I would be awful hesitant to assume he is clean.

And like you said, if his bookie sees Pete not laying down a bet one day, that certainly indicates he does not expect to win and potentially screws over the public who are legitimately betting on the game.
 
2013-07-26 02:55:17 PM  

Sandusky Knows Best: does anyone here know if his gambling had actual effects on games?


As I understand it (and I may not have this 100% correct) he never bet against his team, but he did bet on his team. Sounds OK, right? Well let's look at this from his bookie's perspective..."Pete didn't bet on the Reds today. I'll put all my money on the other team."
 
2013-07-26 03:04:53 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Sandusky Knows Best: does anyone here know if his gambling had actual effects on games?

As I understand it (and I may not have this 100% correct) he never bet against his team, but he did bet on his team. Sounds OK, right? Well let's look at this from his bookie's perspective..."Pete didn't bet on the Reds today. I'll put all my money on the other team."


Or, I have $2000 on today's game but $0 on tomorrow's. I know I've used my closer three days in a row already but I'll use him today and definitely not tomorrow.
 
2013-07-26 03:23:33 PM  

Sandusky Knows Best: But thats the thing, what did he do really? He gambled. If they could prove he threw games to get winnings then that makes sense. I dont see why there was a big stink if he bet on games that he had nothing to do with. does anyone here know if his gambling had actual effects on games? As stated before, i would always bet on my team. if you play well and win then what is the harm?


Because why would you think it would end at betting on your own team to win?  Once you allow gambling on your own sport, you open up a massive can of worms.  Gambler gets in trouble, then it's not a stretch at all to get them to win, but only win by this amount or lower.  And once you're doing that...it's over.
 
2013-07-26 05:32:04 PM  
They should just sever Cooperstown from whatever the fark this thing is that they play in baseball stadiums these days.
 
2013-07-26 05:44:30 PM  
Me and my dad were sitting behind home plate at a Las Vegas 51's game last season. Pete Rose was in the seat in front of me. We exchanged jokes.

Mine: A three-legged dog walks into a bar. The bartender asks him "What are you doin' in here?" The dog says "I'm lookin' for the man who shot my paw."

Pete's: Q. What did God say to the Cubs? A. Don't do anything until I get back.

Then my dad had him autograph the game program.
 
2013-07-27 01:34:59 AM  

varmitydog: It's too bad that Pete Rose is banned from the Hall of Fame, but it's even worse that during every thread about him the thread is all about his off the field problems instead of what a complete and solid player he was. Remember when he caught the foul pop that the catcher muffed in the World Series when he was with the Phillies? I used it as a coaching tool in little league for the next five years as an example of what happens when you back up the play.

Remember how pissed he was at Gene Garber when Garber ended his 44 game hitting streak by throwing everything six inches off the plate in his last chance at bat to get a hit, then celebrated like he'd won the 7th game of the World Series when Rose, who couldn't walk to keep his streak alive, stuck out on a pitch way out of the strike zone?

Yeah, it's too bad that he's remembered as the tax cheater who bet on baseball then lied about it for years. But it's nice of him to give a word to the wise. Not that this dumbass is going to listen to him. A younger Pete Rose wouldn't have either.


Agree with everything you said, but Pete Rose was not a "complete and solid player." He got base hits, and a shiat ton of them, but that's it. He wasn't a great fielder. Didn't hit for power. Wasn't a great base runner. He wasn't a 4-5 tool player. He just got a lot of singles, and hustled his ass off. Very competitive guy who gave it his all everyday.
 
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