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(Talking Points Memo)   Senator Richard Burr (R- NC): Shutting down the government because you little pissants want to defund Obamacare is "the dumbest idea ever." Listen to the man, he knows about dumb ideas   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2013-07-26 09:11:18 AM  
"Listen, as long as Barack Obama is president, the Affordable Care Act is going to be law."

Tipping his hand?
 
2013-07-26 09:23:53 AM  
Burr is a piece of animal excrement. His voting record in the Senate basically says it all. He got lucky keeping his seat in 2010 because of the mid term tea party bullsh*t. And many NC voters are mad about the current situation in the state. Sure 2016 is three years away but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a little damage control.
 
2013-07-26 09:29:21 AM  
The heck is this?  Richard Burr, my senator, being reasonable?   No no no, that's not the person I voted against, something must be up.
 
2013-07-26 09:32:14 AM  
A rational Republican? In my  North Carolina? Its more likely than you think.

/I thought the likelyhood was zero.
 
2013-07-26 09:33:50 AM  
I was about to say that this was a good thing for the sane North Carolinians, since repubs who go off-message are pretty much automatically primaried now, and it might result in a better senator being elected. But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is. The tea-partier who would nigh-inevitably replace him would probably make Steve King look like William F. Buckley.
 
2013-07-26 09:34:22 AM  

ikanreed: The heck is this?  Richard Burr, my senator, being reasonable?   No no no, that's not the person I voted against, something must be up.


Maybe he derped too hard and pulled something, and he's trying to take it easy.
 
2013-07-26 09:36:13 AM  

vernonFL: A rational RepublicanSenator? In my  North Carolina? Its more likely than you think.

/I thought the likelihood was zero.


Kay Hagan does not count either.
 
2013-07-26 09:38:52 AM  

Arkanaut: ikanreed: The heck is this?  Richard Burr, my senator, being reasonable?   No no no, that's not the person I voted against, something must be up.

Maybe he derped too hard and pulled something, and he's trying to take it easy.


They derped too deep and woke the ancient evil.
 
2013-07-26 09:40:28 AM  
God Is My Co-Pirate:

They derped too deep and woke the ancient evil.

John McCain?

video.thinkprogress.org
 
2013-07-26 09:41:49 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Arkanaut: ikanreed: The heck is this?  Richard Burr, my senator, being reasonable?   No no no, that's not the person I voted against, something must be up.

Maybe he derped too hard and pulled something, and he's trying to take it easy.

They derped too deep and woke the ancient evil.

 
2013-07-26 09:43:10 AM  
Hmmm. Another data point that validates my "Begun, the Republican Civil War has" crackpot theory.
 
2013-07-26 09:43:50 AM  

Spaced Lion: I was about to say that this was a good thing for the sane North Carolinians, since repubs who go off-message are pretty much automatically primaried now, and it might result in a better senator being elected. But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is. The tea-partier who would nigh-inevitably replace him would probably make Steve King look like William F. Buckley.


Unless the laws changed, gerrymandering doesn't do anything to US Senate seats.
 
2013-07-26 09:44:18 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Arkanaut: ikanreed: The heck is this?  Richard Burr, my senator, being reasonable?   No no no, that's not the person I voted against, something must be up.

Maybe he derped too hard and pulled something, and he's trying to take it easy.

They derped too deep and woke the ancient evil.


Few of these guys believe what they say. They are politicians. Their words are carefully calculated to garnish votes. He knows that a government shutdown doesn't help his party, but suggesting that electing more Rs might help get rid of Obamacare does get him votes.
 
2013-07-26 09:44:31 AM  
Perhaps I dont understand the government as well as I thought and need some help:  The house appropriates all money for everything (except small administration budgets for the other branches).  The house has a republican majority.  Why cant they just fund Obamacare with say $20?  Then sit back and LOL.  They really dont need to shut the entire government down to do that do they?
 
2013-07-26 09:44:58 AM  
Gandalf picture fail.

So here's the next best thing:

funwp.com
 
2013-07-26 09:47:40 AM  
Spaced Lion:   But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is.

Care to think that through one more time? Keep in mind, this is a U.S. senator we're talking about.
 
2013-07-26 09:49:32 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: Perhaps I dont understand the government as well as I thought and need some help:  The house appropriates all money for everything (except small administration budgets for the other branches).  The house has a republican majority.  Why cant they just fund Obamacare with say $20?  Then sit back and LOL.  They really dont need to shut the entire government down to do that do they?


10 years of Funding was already appropriated when they passed the ACA. They can pass a bill to unfund it, they have tried, 30 something times already.
 
2013-07-26 09:49:45 AM  

Spaced Lion: I was about to say that this was a good thing for the sane North Carolinians, since repubs who go off-message are pretty much automatically primaried now, and it might result in a better senator being elected. But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is. The tea-partier who would nigh-inevitably replace him would probably make Steve King look like William F. Buckley.


senate not congressman. How is your state as a whole compared to the gerrymandered districts?
 
2013-07-26 09:50:47 AM  

Zagloba: Spaced Lion:   But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is.

Care to think that through one more time? Keep in mind, this is a U.S. senator we're talking about.


How do you think all those red states just happen to be in the South, hmmm?

I REST MY CASE!
 
2013-07-26 09:53:58 AM  

MindStalker: bigsteve3OOO: Perhaps I dont understand the government as well as I thought and need some help:  The house appropriates all money for everything (except small administration budgets for the other branches).  The house has a republican majority.  Why cant they just fund Obamacare with say $20?  Then sit back and LOL.  They really dont need to shut the entire government down to do that do they?

10 years of Funding was already appropriated when they passed the ACA. They can pass a bill to unfund it, they have tried, 30 something times already.


makes sense.  thanks.
 
2013-07-26 09:54:21 AM  

Zagloba: Spaced Lion:   But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is.

Care to think that through one more time? Keep in mind, this is a U.S. senator we're talking about.


Are you kidding? Have you looked at a map lately? States like Idaho and Oklahoma with their weird shapes - why can't they all be laid out by computer algorithm, in perfect squares?
 
2013-07-26 10:05:38 AM  
BMulligan: Are you kidding? Have you looked at a map lately? States like Idaho and Oklahoma with their weird shapes - why can't they all be laid out by computer algorithm, in perfect squares?

I defy you to explain the vote counts in Wyoming then.
 
2013-07-26 10:08:09 AM  

BMulligan: Zagloba: Spaced Lion:   But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is.

Care to think that through one more time? Keep in mind, this is a U.S. senator we're talking about.

Are you kidding? Have you looked at a map lately? States like Idaho and Oklahoma with their weird shapes - why can't they all be laid out by computer algorithm, in perfect squares?


States are constitutionally required to redraw them every ten years.  Democratic voters sat out the '10 midterms, the Tea Party brought its A game, and now the House may be lost for a decade.
 
2013-07-26 10:08:30 AM  
When President Obama pursued Healthcare reform at the beginning of his first term, I was rather disappointed that he chose that instead of a large scale jobs initiative, but with this perspective it makes sense.  It was always going to take a long time to implement because it's quite a change.  Had he waited until the end of his term, even if he had the political capital to make it happen, there would be a big risk of it being undone by a potential opposition president.

Having done it the way he has, it's either going to be mostly or all implemented by the time he leaves office and undoing it would be an enormously complicated undertaking.
 
2013-07-26 10:10:11 AM  

imontheinternet: BMulligan: Zagloba: Spaced Lion:   But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is.

Care to think that through one more time? Keep in mind, this is a U.S. senator we're talking about.

Are you kidding? Have you looked at a map lately? States like Idaho and Oklahoma with their weird shapes - why can't they all be laid out by computer algorithm, in perfect squares?

States are constitutionally required to redraw them every ten years.  Democratic voters sat out the '10 midterms, the Tea Party brought its A game, and now the House may be lost for a decade.


We redraw state borders every 10 years?
 
2013-07-26 10:15:25 AM  

Zagloba: BMulligan: Are you kidding? Have you looked at a map lately? States like Idaho and Oklahoma with their weird shapes - why can't they all be laid out by computer algorithm, in perfect squares?

I defy you to explain the vote counts in Wyoming then.


Fingers and toes?
 
2013-07-26 10:17:30 AM  

BMFPitt: imontheinternet: BMulligan: Zagloba: Spaced Lion:   But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is.

Care to think that through one more time? Keep in mind, this is a U.S. senator we're talking about.

Are you kidding? Have you looked at a map lately? States like Idaho and Oklahoma with their weird shapes - why can't they all be laid out by computer algorithm, in perfect squares?

States are constitutionally required to redraw them every ten years.  Democratic voters sat out the '10 midterms, the Tea Party brought its A game, and now the House may be lost for a decade.

We redraw state borders every 10 years?


I thought you were referring to the Congressional districts.  Gerrymandering doesn't refer to state borders.
 
2013-07-26 10:19:34 AM  

imontheinternet: BMulligan: Zagloba: Spaced Lion:   But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is.

Care to think that through one more time? Keep in mind, this is a U.S. senator we're talking about.

Are you kidding? Have you looked at a map lately? States like Idaho and Oklahoma with their weird shapes - why can't they all be laid out by computer algorithm, in perfect squares?

States are constitutionally required to redraw them every ten years.  Democratic voters sat out the '10 midterms, the Tea Party brought its A game, and now the House may be lost for a decade.


You are assuming that Tea Party Republicans will not make a substantial effort to prevent significant alteration to their existing gerrymandering efforts in 2020.
 
2013-07-26 10:21:26 AM  
I honestly can't tell if Obama's election has helped or hurt race relations. Either way, to see white old men in power collectively losing their sh*t is really sad.
 
2013-07-26 10:22:23 AM  
Look, if you want to get on to other matters why don't you finally have a vote on the most pressing one?
 
2013-07-26 10:22:25 AM  

imontheinternet: BMFPitt: imontheinternet: BMulligan: Zagloba: Spaced Lion:   But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is.

Care to think that through one more time? Keep in mind, this is a U.S. senator we're talking about.

Are you kidding? Have you looked at a map lately? States like Idaho and Oklahoma with their weird shapes - why can't they all be laid out by computer algorithm, in perfect squares?

States are constitutionally required to redraw them every ten years.  Democratic voters sat out the '10 midterms, the Tea Party brought its A game, and now the House may be lost for a decade.

We redraw state borders every 10 years?

I thought you were referring to the Congressional districts.  Gerrymandering doesn't refer to state borders.


Well my Boobies was pointing out that you failed to comprehend the post that was unambiguously joking about state borders.
 
2013-07-26 10:23:45 AM  

Dimensio: imontheinternet: BMulligan: Zagloba: Spaced Lion:   But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is.

Care to think that through one more time? Keep in mind, this is a U.S. senator we're talking about.

Are you kidding? Have you looked at a map lately? States like Idaho and Oklahoma with their weird shapes - why can't they all be laid out by computer algorithm, in perfect squares?

States are constitutionally required to redraw them every ten years.  Democratic voters sat out the '10 midterms, the Tea Party brought its A game, and now the House may be lost for a decade.

You are assuming that Tea Party Republicans will not make a substantial effort to prevent significant alteration to their existing gerrymandering efforts in 2020.


2020 will be a presidential election year, so Democratic demographics should turn out in greater number.  If you can put asses in seats, you can control the redistricting.
 
2013-07-26 10:28:32 AM  

imontheinternet: Dimensio: imontheinternet: BMulligan: Zagloba: Spaced Lion:   But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is.

Care to think that through one more time? Keep in mind, this is a U.S. senator we're talking about.

Are you kidding? Have you looked at a map lately? States like Idaho and Oklahoma with their weird shapes - why can't they all be laid out by computer algorithm, in perfect squares?

States are constitutionally required to redraw them every ten years.  Democratic voters sat out the '10 midterms, the Tea Party brought its A game, and now the House may be lost for a decade.

You are assuming that Tea Party Republicans will not make a substantial effort to prevent significant alteration to their existing gerrymandering efforts in 2020.

2020 will be a presidential election year, so Democratic demographics should turn out in greater number.  If you can put asses in seats, you can control the redistricting.


Maybe. It'll probably be someone's re-election bid, though, and that could have a negative effect. Obama being re-elected in 2012 took a little bit of the edge off the House, but it didn't help at all in the state legislatures.
 
2013-07-26 10:31:05 AM  
Dumbest idea ever = next up on the GOP agenda
to no one's surprise.
 
2013-07-26 10:33:31 AM  
Yah, because he's the one who killed Alexander Hamilton!

/obscure?
 
2013-07-26 10:34:04 AM  

imontheinternet: Dimensio: imontheinternet: BMulligan: Zagloba: Spaced Lion:   But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is.

Care to think that through one more time? Keep in mind, this is a U.S. senator we're talking about.

Are you kidding? Have you looked at a map lately? States like Idaho and Oklahoma with their weird shapes - why can't they all be laid out by computer algorithm, in perfect squares?

States are constitutionally required to redraw them every ten years.  Democratic voters sat out the '10 midterms, the Tea Party brought its A game, and now the House may be lost for a decade.

You are assuming that Tea Party Republicans will not make a substantial effort to prevent significant alteration to their existing gerrymandering efforts in 2020.

2020 will be a presidential election year, so Democratic demographics should turn out in greater number.  If you can put asses in seats, you can control the redistricting.


I expect a huge shift in party makeup before 2020.
 
2013-07-26 10:34:41 AM  

BMFPitt: We redraw state borders every 10 years?


That would be pretty awesome!
 
2013-07-26 10:34:46 AM  
The opinions of Senators on this topic are irrelevant
 
2013-07-26 10:34:51 AM  
At some point, 'Conservatives' are going to remember that the Gubment mandate to buy private health insurance was there idea on the first place, and Obamacare actually represents a victory for them.

I suspect Roberts already knew this.
 
2013-07-26 10:35:54 AM  
RINO's gonna get primaried
 
2013-07-26 10:38:38 AM  

Ambivalence: Yah, because he's the one who killed Alexander Hamilton!

/obscure?


theinspirationroom.com

// aawin buuuu
 
2013-07-26 10:41:19 AM  

Notabunny: RINO's gonna get primaried


"RINO'd in the primaries" will be the new "Clintoned in the boobies"
 
2013-07-26 10:41:26 AM  
This is why I shouldn't stay up all night drinking cheap vodak. Usually I know better.

Rural derp would still cinch it for the tea party nutjob though.
 
2013-07-26 10:41:44 AM  

BMFPitt: imontheinternet: Dimensio: imontheinternet: BMulligan: Zagloba: Spaced Lion:   But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is.

Care to think that through one more time? Keep in mind, this is a U.S. senator we're talking about.

Are you kidding? Have you looked at a map lately? States like Idaho and Oklahoma with their weird shapes - why can't they all be laid out by computer algorithm, in perfect squares?

States are constitutionally required to redraw them every ten years.  Democratic voters sat out the '10 midterms, the Tea Party brought its A game, and now the House may be lost for a decade.

You are assuming that Tea Party Republicans will not make a substantial effort to prevent significant alteration to their existing gerrymandering efforts in 2020.

2020 will be a presidential election year, so Democratic demographics should turn out in greater number.  If you can put asses in seats, you can control the redistricting.

I expect a huge shift in party makeup before 2020.


Are you predicting that the Tea Party members will split off from the Republican Party into their own Potato Party?
 
2013-07-26 10:46:19 AM  

qorkfiend: Maybe. It'll probably be someone's re-election bid, though, and that could have a negative effect. Obama being re-elected in 2012 took a little bit of the edge off the House, but it didn't help at all in the state legislatures.


IIRC, Democrats made some slight gains on the state level in 2012.  Had the redistricting gone differently, they may have made more.  But you're right that a president that stirs up the opposition's base generally isn't a good thing for state races.
 
2013-07-26 10:50:32 AM  

imontheinternet: qorkfiend: Maybe. It'll probably be someone's re-election bid, though, and that could have a negative effect. Obama being re-elected in 2012 took a little bit of the edge off the House, but it didn't help at all in the state legislatures.

IIRC, Democrats made some slight gains on the state level in 2012.  Had the redistricting gone differently, they may have made more.  But you're right that a president that stirs up the opposition's base generally isn't a good thing for state races.


Unfortunately for Burr, state NC republicans have shiat on the state so hard, I can't imagine any of the typical uninformed suburban voters giving the party the benefit of the doubt.
 
2013-07-26 10:51:37 AM  

Dimensio: BMFPitt: imontheinternet: Dimensio: imontheinternet: BMulligan: Zagloba: Spaced Lion:   But then I remembered how gerrymandered (and full of rural derp) NC is.

Care to think that through one more time? Keep in mind, this is a U.S. senator we're talking about.

Are you kidding? Have you looked at a map lately? States like Idaho and Oklahoma with their weird shapes - why can't they all be laid out by computer algorithm, in perfect squares?

States are constitutionally required to redraw them every ten years.  Democratic voters sat out the '10 midterms, the Tea Party brought its A game, and now the House may be lost for a decade.

You are assuming that Tea Party Republicans will not make a substantial effort to prevent significant alteration to their existing gerrymandering efforts in 2020.

2020 will be a presidential election year, so Democratic demographics should turn out in greater number.  If you can put asses in seats, you can control the redistricting.

I expect a huge shift in party makeup before 2020.

Are you predicting that the Tea Party members will split off from the Republican Party into their own Potato Party?


My Teabagger coworkers are genuinely pissed that liberal RINOs like Bush, McCain, Romney and Boehner concede so much and give elections away to the Democrats. All year they've been saying they'd support Real Republicans (TM) running a 3rd party.
 
2013-07-26 10:54:43 AM  

Dimensio: Are you predicting that the Tea Party members will split off from the Republican Party into their own Potato Party?


I doubt it. Even the Freepers and other assorted Tea Parties have said that they know that splitting off into a 3rd party would be slitting their own throats. They're just going to keep wrestling with more mainstream Republicans and calling everyone RINO until someone comes along that can unite them and make the GOP nationally viable again.
 
2013-07-26 10:55:18 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: MindStalker: bigsteve3OOO: Perhaps I dont understand the government as well as I thought and need some help:  The house appropriates all money for everything (except small administration budgets for the other branches).  The house has a republican majority.  Why cant they just fund Obamacare with say $20?  Then sit back and LOL.  They really dont need to shut the entire government down to do that do they?

10 years of Funding was already appropriated when they passed the ACA. They can pass a bill to unfund it, they have tried, 30 something times already.

makes sense.  thanks.


Exactly. If you were wondering where the, "The bill's too long!" complaints were coming from, it's because the ACA contains pages upon pages of funding appropriations in it.
 
2013-07-26 10:55:27 AM  
Why go to all that trouble?  The PPACA is collapsing due to its own fault lines.

There are only two choices, here: allow a free market to emerge in health care (which the US hasn't had in several decades), or just come out and nationalize the whole thing.
 
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