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(WTKR)   Bay area's first pay-as-you-go jail is $155 a night, the cost of a three star hotel. "You do get cable TV, but you don't get a warm cookie on your bed," Unless your cellmate is into that kind of thing   (wtkr.com ) divider line
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2013-07-26 08:47:27 AM  
Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.
 
2013-07-26 08:50:26 AM  
Yes, you read that right: When you get sent to jail, they charge you for everything.
 
2013-07-26 09:07:53 AM  
I wonder if you can get a deal on Priceline.
 
2013-07-26 09:09:15 AM  
I hear the ookie cookies are complementary.
 
2013-07-26 09:38:49 AM  
"Make no mistake about it, this is a standard jail, with standard issued mattresses, shared showers with minimal privacy..."

Is the rape shower really something they should advertise like that?  Like it's an intended part of the criminals' rehabilitation?
I mean, sure, prison rape is one of the biggest reasons I would fear going there, but I'm sure the 8th amendment would prohibit it from being officially mandated like that.
 
2013-07-26 09:48:16 AM  

serial_crusher: "Make no mistake about it, this is a standard jail, with standard issued mattresses, shared showers with minimal privacy..."

Is the rape shower really something they should advertise like that?  Like it's an intended part of the criminals' rehabilitation?
I mean, sure, prison rape is one of the biggest reasons I would fear going there, but I'm sure the 8th amendment would prohibit it from being officially mandated like that.


Rehabilitation?  Then how can we punish them again once they're out?  A never-ending cycle of crime and punishment is what these "people" deserve.
 
2013-07-26 09:52:52 AM  
That thing on your bed isn't a cookie.
 
2013-07-26 09:53:14 AM  

ikanreed: Rehabilitation?


To me it's just a made-up word. A politician's word, so that young fellas like yourself can wear a suit and a tie and have a job.
 
2013-07-26 09:54:08 AM  
If it was say a week stay it might be worth it to avoid the knuckleheads down at the county jail.
 
2013-07-26 09:54:13 AM  
we need to make justice EVEN MORE easy for the rich.

buuuulshait.
 
2013-07-26 09:54:39 AM  
And leave my boyfriend out of this.

wakpaper.com
 
2013-07-26 09:55:33 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Yes, you read that right: When you get sent to jail, they charge you for everything.


I think you read that wrong.
 
2013-07-26 09:56:28 AM  

Diogenes: And leave my boyfriend out of this.

[wakpaper.com image 425x283]


Oh, wow.  REALLY wrong thread.
 
2013-07-26 09:57:17 AM  

videos.videopress.com
We ate sand.
You ate what?
We ate sand.

 
2013-07-26 09:57:19 AM  
But that never happened leaving Fremont with a brand new, sparkling, unused jail.
"We are the trustees of a large facility that was paid for with taxpayer money. Now we need to be good stewards of that investment and maximize its use and efficiency for the taxpayers," says Devine.
The city says pay-as-you-go jail isn't about elitism; it's about return on investment.
"There is a cost to government. And that cost, where appropriate, should be borne by the people using the program or facility, or what not," says Devine.


This is what your tax dollars are being wasted on. Even as crime rates fall everywhere, government contracts to build unneeded prisons...
 
2013-07-26 09:58:24 AM  
but do u get free internet
 
2013-07-26 09:58:49 AM  
This story is from a Hampton Roads-area station, and yet they use "Bay Area" and Fremont with no modifier.  Is this actually from Fremont, CA?
 
2013-07-26 09:58:52 AM  
The city says pay-as-you-go jail isn't about elitism

You can say that if you want but it sure looks like it.
 
2013-07-26 09:59:05 AM  
Wow...So they only need 64,516 prisoners to stay one night, or 9,217 to stay for a week or 2,115 to stay for a month.  They'll make back that 10MM in no time.
 
2013-07-26 10:00:03 AM  

Diogenes: And leave my boyfriend out of this.

[wakpaper.com image 425x283]


well.. not really.
 
2013-07-26 10:00:14 AM  

d23: we need to make justice EVEN MORE easy for the rich.

buuuulshait.


Don't worry I'm sure they'll start charging other prisoners for their stay soon. It's all part of the plan to reintroduce debtors prisons and imprison a majority of the country.
 
2013-07-26 10:00:44 AM  

CokeBear: But that never happened leaving Fremont with a brand new, sparkling, unused jail.
"We are the trustees of a large facility that was paid for with taxpayer money. Now we need to be good stewards of that investment and maximize its use and efficiency for the taxpayers," says Devine.
The city says pay-as-you-go jail isn't about elitism; it's about return on investment.
"There is a cost to government. And that cost, where appropriate, should be borne by the people using the program or facility, or what not," says Devine.

This is what your tax dollars are being wasted on. Even as crime rates fall everywhere, government contracts to build unneeded prisons...


I also love the "or what not" and the end of that quote...so official
 
2013-07-26 10:00:48 AM  

d23: Diogenes: And leave my boyfriend out of this.

[wakpaper.com image 425x283]

well.. not really.


If that were the case I'd take up armed robbery.
 
2013-07-26 10:01:08 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.


It's nice to return to the good old days of the 18th century, when everyone was charged to be in jail, which meant the poor were forced to remain there as they racked up debts they couldn't pay, while the rich lined the pockets of the sheriff or jailor, paying to have their own furnishing and food brought in from home.
 
2013-07-26 10:01:27 AM  

sboyle1020: Wow...So they only need 64,516 prisoners to stay one night, or 9,217 to stay for a week or 2,115 to stay for a month.  They'll make back that 10MM in no time.


http://www.fremontpolice.org/DocumentCenter/View/231

Limited to 16 participants.
 
2013-07-26 10:01:47 AM  
I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there. We all know not everyone is jail ready and is a major target. The Judge get's to decide who gets to go, so don't think he would be sending a rapist or murder there.
 
2013-07-26 10:02:42 AM  
They should have to pay for the meals separately! Can't pay? TOO BAD! you starve!
 
2013-07-26 10:04:25 AM  

CokeBear: Even as crime rates fall everywhere


Where is this happening???
 
2013-07-26 10:05:03 AM  
How much is that in Kongbucks? Because I ain't staying in The Clink.
 
2013-07-26 10:08:13 AM  

KimNorth: CokeBear: Even as crime rates fall everywhere

Where is this happening???


Everywhere in the world actually. Yeah, I know. Violence has sharply fallen too. Things actually keep getting better and better for most of humanity.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405311190410670457658320358940 8 180.html
 
2013-07-26 10:09:02 AM  
I definitely prefer The Hoosegow over The Clink
 
2013-07-26 10:10:01 AM  

KimNorth: CokeBear: Even as crime rates fall everywhere

Where is this happening???


The United States.

theamericandreammovement.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-26 10:10:14 AM  
Pass Jail, Pay $155
 
2013-07-26 10:10:21 AM  

serial_crusher: "Make no mistake about it, this is a standard jail, with standard issued mattresses, shared showers with minimal privacy..."

Is the rape shower really something they should advertise like that?  Like it's an intended part of the criminals' rehabilitation?


Usually you have to pay extra for that.
 
2013-07-26 10:10:48 AM  

KimNorth: CokeBear: Even as crime rates fall everywhere

Where is this happening???


Canada: http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3910968-national-crime-rate-falls-t o -its-lowest-level-since-1972/
UK: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323993804578613670285006 836.html
America & the whole world: http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21582041-rich-world-seeing-les s -and-less-crime-even-face-high-unemployment-and-economic
 
2013-07-26 10:12:38 AM  

KimNorth: CokeBear: Even as crime rates fall everywhere

Where is this happening???


(Probably as the criminals & sociopaths just move to Wall Street or other parts of the finance or oil industry; much more profitable)
 
2013-07-26 10:14:09 AM  

KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there.


Excellent... That way, it's not just little Frankie that we're punishing, but Frankie's entire family! We'll drive them all into the depths of poverty, at which point they have to steal to survive, and then we'll imprison them too! We'll get government payouts for a half dozen prisoners instead of just one! See, this is why brilliant people like you are in charge of our for-profit prison system.
 
2013-07-26 10:14:57 AM  

White Rose Duelist: KimNorth: CokeBear: Even as crime rates fall everywhere

Where is this happening???

The United States.

[theamericandreammovement.files.wordpress.com image 556x303]


Yea, but the real story is the drastic increase in those 12 and under...
 
2013-07-26 10:17:07 AM  

Lady Indica: KimNorth: CokeBear: Even as crime rates fall everywhere

Where is this happening???

Everywhere in the world actually. Yeah, I know. Violence has sharply fallen too. Things actually keep getting better and better for most of humanity.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405311190410670457658320358940 8 180.html


Well I live in California and the shooting have been off the charts, gangs. But it is summer that could be it.
 
2013-07-26 10:19:53 AM  
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2013-07-26 10:19:56 AM  

Theaetetus: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there.

Excellent... That way, it's not just little Frankie that we're punishing, but Frankie's entire family! We'll drive them all into the depths of poverty, at which point they have to steal to survive, and then we'll imprison them too! We'll get government payouts for a half dozen prisoners instead of just one! See, this is why brilliant people like you are in charge of our for-profit prison system.


I dunno, I see it as extended family also chips in, they all sign a card  "This covers your punk-ass  for every birthday and Christmas from now on"
 
2013-07-26 10:20:46 AM  

odinsposse: d23: we need to make justice EVEN MORE easy for the rich.

buuuulshait.

Don't worry I'm sure they'll start charging other prisoners for their stay soon. It's all part of the plan to reintroduce debtors prisons and imprison a majority of the country.


But what happens when they can't pay and they're already in jail?

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2013-07-26 10:22:06 AM  
rookery.s3.amazonaws.com
i.qkme.me
 
2013-07-26 10:22:59 AM  

factoryconnection: This story is from a Hampton Roads-area station, and yet they use "Bay Area" and Fremont with no modifier.  Is this actually from Fremont, CA?


that is really confusing.
 
2013-07-26 10:23:21 AM  

Lady Indica: Everywhere in the world actually. Yeah, I know. Violence has sharply fallen too. Things actually keep getting better and better for most of humanity.


There's a very strong correlation with the rise and fall of violent crime on a time-delayed basis with the introduction and later banning of lead in gasoline in societies worldwide.  Lead exposure in children damages development of the pre-frontal cortex, which is important for making rational decisions in emotional situations.  For those with the right brain chemistry, that damage basically turns off their "morality" switch and leads to ape-sh*t crazy behavior in adolescence and young adulthood.

This match-up has been studied among countries that had different times for introduction and removal of leaded gas from society, and it has a very strong correlation.
 
2013-07-26 10:23:39 AM  
Is there a rewards card? 10th night free?
 
2013-07-26 10:23:45 AM  

Tax Boy: How much is that in Kongbucks? Because I ain't staying in The Clink.


Came here for this, leaving satisfied.

/lives in a burbclave
//works at that building for the Fed
 
2013-07-26 10:25:15 AM  

The Smails Kid: factoryconnection: This story is from a Hampton Roads-area station, and yet they use "Bay Area" and Fremont with no modifier.  Is this actually from Fremont, CA?

that is really confusing.


I looked it up and yes it is Cali.  Way to tailor the wire story, local news yutzes!
 
2013-07-26 10:26:13 AM  

Theaetetus: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there.

Excellent... That way, it's not just little Frankie that we're punishing, but Frankie's entire family! We'll drive them all into the depths of poverty, at which point they have to steal to survive, and then we'll imprison them too! We'll get government payouts for a half dozen prisoners instead of just one! See, this is why brilliant people like you are in charge of our for-profit prison system.


They don't have to pay. I know they might have to give up their cigs and beer. I am such a hater. My god they may have to go and ask for extra work, WTF is that you say??? Does Frankie only have two people in his family? Victim, Victim, Victim.......
 
2013-07-26 10:26:58 AM  
Is there reach-around?
 
2013-07-26 10:27:58 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.


And they always have.
 
2013-07-26 10:29:27 AM  

KimNorth: Theaetetus: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there.

Excellent... That way, it's not just little Frankie that we're punishing, but Frankie's entire family! We'll drive them all into the depths of poverty, at which point they have to steal to survive, and then we'll imprison them too! We'll get government payouts for a half dozen prisoners instead of just one! See, this is why brilliant people like you are in charge of our for-profit prison system.

They don't have to pay. I know they might have to give up their cigs and beer. I am such a hater. My god they may have to go and ask for extra work, WTF is that you say??? Does Frankie only have two people in his family? Victim, Victim, Victim.......


Racist says what
 
2013-07-26 10:30:11 AM  
dcpfilm.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-26 10:30:24 AM  

factoryconnection: Lady Indica: Everywhere in the world actually. Yeah, I know. Violence has sharply fallen too. Things actually keep getting better and better for most of humanity.

There's a very strong correlation with the rise and fall of violent crime on a time-delayed basis with the introduction and later banning of lead in gasoline in societies worldwide.  Lead exposure in children damages development of the pre-frontal cortex, which is important for making rational decisions in emotional situations.  For those with the right brain chemistry, that damage basically turns off their "morality" switch and leads to ape-sh*t crazy behavior in adolescence and young adulthood.

This match-up has been studied among countries that had different times for introduction and removal of leaded gas from society, and it has a very strong correlation.


Does it also damage the ability of people to be empathetic, etc?

Because I may have suddenly figured out something else, if it does.
 
2013-07-26 10:31:21 AM  
factoryconnection:
There's a very strong correlation with the rise and fall of violent crime on a time-delayed basis with the introduction and later banning of lead in gasoline in societies worldwide.  Lead exposure in children damages development of the pre-frontal cortex, which is important for making rational decisions in emotional situations.  For those with the right brain chemistry, that damage basically turns off their "morality" switch and leads to ape-sh*t crazy behavior in adolescence and young adulthood.

This match-up has been studied among countries that had different times for introduction and removal of leaded gas from society, and it has a very strong correlation.


Interesting theory.  Do you happen to know the name of the study?
 
2013-07-26 10:32:31 AM  

KimNorth: Theaetetus: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there.

Excellent... That way, it's not just little Frankie that we're punishing, but Frankie's entire family! We'll drive them all into the depths of poverty, at which point they have to steal to survive, and then we'll imprison them too! We'll get government payouts for a half dozen prisoners instead of just one! See, this is why brilliant people like you are in charge of our for-profit prison system.

They don't have to pay. I know they might have to give up their cigs and beer. I am such a hater. My god they may have to go and ask for extra work, WTF is that you say??? Does Frankie only have two people in his family? Victim, Victim, Victim.......


Stream of unconsciousness? wtf did I just read?
 
2013-07-26 10:33:02 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.


And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.
 
2013-07-26 10:33:06 AM  

sboyle1020: Wow...So they only need 64,516 prisoners to stay one night, or 9,217 to stay for a week or 2,115 to stay for a month.  They'll make back that 10MM in no time.


I'm assuming that's sarcasm. (And when you assume...)

They only need 176 prisoners stay a year, and they're set. It also doesn't have to be the same 176 people; each shorter-term inmate can be replaced with new one. Even if there's 50% vacancy due to transition time, that's only 2 years to make it up. After that, it's pure profit, baby! (Well, mostly.)

/ elitism? bah! it's only$4,650/mo, $56,575/yr.
// put it on a credit card and sell drugs or rob banks to pay it off
/// after that, your crimes are pure profit, baby!
 
2013-07-26 10:34:40 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Theaetetus: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there.

Excellent... That way, it's not just little Frankie that we're punishing, but Frankie's entire family! We'll drive them all into the depths of poverty, at which point they have to steal to survive, and then we'll imprison them too! We'll get government payouts for a half dozen prisoners instead of just one! See, this is why brilliant people like you are in charge of our for-profit prison system.

They don't have to pay. I know they might have to give up their cigs and beer. I am such a hater. My god they may have to go and ask for extra work, WTF is that you say??? Does Frankie only have two people in his family? Victim, Victim, Victim.......

Racist says what


You're my favorite!! You never disappoint, racist, racist, racist!
 
2013-07-26 10:36:07 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Theaetetus: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there.

Excellent... That way, it's not just little Frankie that we're punishing, but Frankie's entire family! We'll drive them all into the depths of poverty, at which point they have to steal to survive, and then we'll imprison them too! We'll get government payouts for a half dozen prisoners instead of just one! See, this is why brilliant people like you are in charge of our for-profit prison system.

They don't have to pay. I know they might have to give up their cigs and beer. I am such a hater. My god they may have to go and ask for extra work, WTF is that you say??? Does Frankie only have two people in his family? Victim, Victim, Victim.......

Racist says what


Technically, I think that's classist.
 
2013-07-26 10:36:29 AM  
Well that's step one.

Step two is to make the conditions in the other, free jails so horrible that people will be lining up to fill the pay-as-you-stay jails.

Step three, as we all know, is PROFIT.
 
2013-07-26 10:40:17 AM  

CokeBear: But that never happened leaving Fremont with a brand new, sparkling, unused jail.
"We are the trustees of a large facility that was paid for with taxpayer money. Now we need to be good stewards of that investment and maximize its use and efficiency for the taxpayers," says Devine.
The city says pay-as-you-go jail isn't about elitism; it's about return on investment.
"There is a cost to government. And that cost, where appropriate, should be borne by the people using the program or facility, or what not," says Devine.

This is what your tax dollars are being wasted on. Even as crime rates fall everywhere, government contracts to build unneeded prisons...


Got one up here in Portland too.
 
2013-07-26 10:42:04 AM  

Diogenes: And leave my boyfriend out of this.

[wakpaper.com image 425x283]


That pic is disturbing. I'm as straight as they come, and no guy appeals to me, fem-ish or butch.

But damn, look at those eyes...
 
2013-07-26 10:42:09 AM  

KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there. We all know not everyone is jail ready and is a major target. The Judge get's to decide who gets to go, so don't think he would be sending a rapist or murder there.


People aren't supposed to be raped or beaten up in jail in the first place.
 
2013-07-26 10:44:15 AM  
Ingham county jail is $55 a night whether you like it or not.

...not that I'd know.
 
2013-07-26 10:46:54 AM  

Theaetetus: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Theaetetus: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there.

Excellent... That way, it's not just little Frankie that we're punishing, but Frankie's entire family! We'll drive them all into the depths of poverty, at which point they have to steal to survive, and then we'll imprison them too! We'll get government payouts for a half dozen prisoners instead of just one! See, this is why brilliant people like you are in charge of our for-profit prison system.

They don't have to pay. I know they might have to give up their cigs and beer. I am such a hater. My god they may have to go and ask for extra work, WTF is that you say??? Does Frankie only have two people in his family? Victim, Victim, Victim.......

Racist says what

Technically, I think that's classist.


It's always rooted in racism:

KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.


Some people just can't help themselves.
 
2013-07-26 10:49:06 AM  

Lady Indica: KimNorth: CokeBear: Even as crime rates fall everywhere

Where is this happening???

Everywhere in the world actually. Yeah, I know. Violence has sharply fallen too. Things actually keep getting better and better for most of humanity.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405311190410670457658320358940 8 180.html


White Rose Duelist: KimNorth: CokeBear: Even as crime rates fall everywhere

Where is this happening???

The United States.

[theamericandreammovement.files.wordpress.com image 556x303]


CokeBear: KimNorth: CokeBear: Even as crime rates fall everywhere

Where is this happening???

Canada: http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3910968-national-crime-rate-falls-t o -its-lowest-level-since-1972/
UK: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323993804578613670285006 836.html
America & the whole world: http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21582041-rich-world-seeing-les s -and-less-crime-even-face-high-unemployment-and-economic


God I love it when a thread comes together.
 
2013-07-26 10:50:04 AM  

KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.


How is rich people having their own personal jail service a comparison to what black people do with their sex lives?

One is taking advantage of the tax payers - because we still subsidize the jails - these people are paying for extra service they don't deserve - or if they do then all prisoners do.

The other is....I don't know...people having sex? I guess you even mean *gasp* gay sex and maybe cheating on somebody? Not anyone's finest moral hour but I'm not sure how this impacts the overall fairness of society or cheats taxpayers.

That was either some fine trolling or just a weird comparison that you thought made sense but really didn't.
 
2013-07-26 10:52:40 AM  

El Morro: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there. We all know not everyone is jail ready and is a major target. The Judge get's to decide who gets to go, so don't think he would be sending a rapist or murder there.

People aren't supposed to be raped or beaten up in jail in the first place.


But sadly they are.
 
2013-07-26 10:52:51 AM  

KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.


I... wait... what?
 
2013-07-26 10:56:08 AM  
The campfire chili and bandit burgers are premium items, of course, but worth every penny.
 
2013-07-26 10:56:09 AM  

KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.


But since you mention it, and now that I've given it some thought, people DO call out folks on that. Oprah did a whole couple of shows on it. You don't get any more outed than being on Oprah.

She even did a show on the author of "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" and it turned out the guy she got her groove back with was actually gay and just using her to get to America.

Oprah put it out there, so case closed.

My original point was that when you read stories about jails, especially before modern times, notorious or well-to-do prisoners always got preferential treatment. And we've always known about the "country club" federal prisons and such.

I know I post a lot about racism, but I really wasn't talking about race in this instance. Just how the rich always seem to get over on the poor, even when they break the law.

/
 
2013-07-26 10:56:56 AM  
In for a pound in for a penny.
 
2013-07-26 10:58:01 AM  

Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

How is rich people having their own personal jail service a comparison to what black people do with their sex lives?

One is taking advantage of the tax payers - because we still subsidize the jails - these people are paying for extra service they don't deserve - or if they do then all prisoners do.

The other is....I don't know...people having sex? I guess you even mean *gasp* gay sex and maybe cheating on somebody? Not anyone's finest moral hour but I'm not sure how this impacts the overall fairness of society or cheats taxpayers.

That was either some fine trolling or just a weird comparison that you thought made sense but really didn't.


I'm trolling you and hot wings as you both just are like wham! every darn time on these type of stories. We see thing differently so what...But darn if I say blue you and hot wings says red then calls me a racist.
 
2013-07-26 10:58:30 AM  

Diogenes: Diogenes: And leave my boyfriend out of this.

[wakpaper.com image 425x283]

Oh, wow.  REALLY wrong thread.

ooooh he's dreamy ♥♥

 
2013-07-26 10:58:51 AM  

Hyena5: I definitely prefer The Hoosegow over The Clink


A contract with The Hoosegow may be a little more expensive but when you're incarcerated (and you will be) you'll really appreciate where those extra Kongbucks are going. Buddy of mine figured he'd never end up inside so he cheaped out and went with The Slammer. Bad choice.

/you know why they call it the slammer don't you, boy
//prison rape jokes are acceptable rape jokes because it mostly happens to men
///mostly
 
2013-07-26 11:01:31 AM  

Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

But since you mention it, and now that I've given it some thought, people DO call out folks on that. Oprah did a whole couple of shows on it. You don't get any more outed than being on Oprah.

She even did a show on the author of "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" and it turned out the guy she got her groove back with was actually gay and just using her to get to America.

Oprah put it out there, so case closed.

My original point was that when you read stories about jails, especially before modern times, notorious or well-to-do prisoners always got preferential treatment. And we've always known about the "country club" federal prisons and such.

I know I post a lot about racism, but I really wasn't talking about race in this instance. Just how the rich always seem to get over on the poor, even when they break the law.

/


Look I am throwing random stuff out there just like you and hot wings like you both do every time making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.
 
2013-07-26 11:03:24 AM  

KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

How is rich people having their own personal jail service a comparison to what black people do with their sex lives?

One is taking advantage of the tax payers - because we still subsidize the jails - these people are paying for extra service they don't deserve - or if they do then all prisoners do.

The other is....I don't know...people having sex? I guess you even mean *gasp* gay sex and maybe cheating on somebody? Not anyone's finest moral hour but I'm not sure how this impacts the overall fairness of society or cheats taxpayers.

That was either some fine trolling or just a weird comparison that you thought made sense but really didn't.

I'm trolling you and hot wings as you both just are like wham! every darn time on these type of stories. We see thing differently so what...But darn if I say blue you and hot wings says red then calls me a racist.


If your response to "wealthy people are treated differently by the law" is "Yeah, but black people are gay", you're probably a racist.

And if you're openly admitting trolling, I'm unclear as to why you haven't been dealt with yet.
 
2013-07-26 11:06:14 AM  

El Morro: People aren't supposed to be raped or beaten up in jail in the first place.


Winner!  The casual attitude people take to this is terrifying to me.
 
2013-07-26 11:06:19 AM  

KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

But since you mention it, and now that I've given it some thought, people DO call out folks on that. Oprah did a whole couple of shows on it. You don't get any more outed than being on Oprah.

She even did a show on the author of "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" and it turned out the guy she got her groove back with was actually gay and just using her to get to America.

Oprah put it out there, so case closed.

My original point was that when you read stories about jails, especially before modern times, notorious or well-to-do prisoners always got preferential treatment. And we've always known about the "country club" federal prisons and such.

I know I post a lot about racism, but I really wasn't talking about race in this instance. Just how the rich always seem to get over on the poor, even when they break the law.

/

Look I am throwing random stuff out there just like you and hot wings like you both do every time making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.


Race wasn't mentioned until you showed up. Though as you're a racist, you probably assume there are no wealthy black people.
 
2013-07-26 11:08:00 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

But since you mention it, and now that I've given it some thought, people DO call out folks on that. Oprah did a whole couple of shows on it. You don't get any more outed than being on Oprah.

She even did a show on the author of "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" and it turned out the guy she got her groove back with was actually gay and just using her to get to America.

Oprah put it out there, so case closed.

My original point was that when you read stories about jails, especially before modern times, notorious or well-to-do prisoners always got preferential treatment. And we've always known about the "country club" federal prisons and such.

I know I post a lot about racism, but I really wasn't talking about race in this instance. Just how the rich always seem to get over on the poor, even when they break the law.

/

Look I am throwing random stuff out there just like you and hot wings like you both do every time making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.

Race wasn't mentioned until you showed up. Though as you're a racist, you probably assume there are no wealthy black people.


WRONG LOSER! NICE TRY! BYE BYE
 
2013-07-26 11:09:07 AM  

El Morro: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there. We all know not everyone is jail ready and is a major target. The Judge get's to decide who gets to go, so don't think he would be sending a rapist or murder there.

People aren't supposed to be raped or beaten up in jail in the first place.


Did you buy that line about "rehabilitating" people?
 
2013-07-26 11:10:40 AM  
My personal belief is that there shouldn't be special pay as you go prisons.  Upon conviction of a crime and sentencing that results in a prison sentence, there is no white collar crime resort style prison, there is no special privilege for being rich and/or famous.  Going to prison should be handled the way military basic training is handled.  Who you were prior to basic training doesn't matter.  Everyone gets their head shaved, is given a uniform, gets the same bed, wall locker and no consideration is given for who you think you are.  Same should be for prison.  Doesn't matter if you were a poor nobody or a rich celebrity.  Go to prison and everyone gets treated the same.  Same uniform, same cell, same bed and zero consideration for who you were outside of prison.
 
2013-07-26 11:11:36 AM  

KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

But since you mention it, and now that I've given it some thought, people DO call out folks on that. Oprah did a whole couple of shows on it. You don't get any more outed than being on Oprah.

She even did a show on the author of "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" and it turned out the guy she got her groove back with was actually gay and just using her to get to America.

Oprah put it out there, so case closed.

My original point was that when you read stories about jails, especially before modern times, notorious or well-to-do prisoners always got preferential treatment. And we've always known about the "country club" federal prisons and such.

I know I post a lot about racism, but I really wasn't talking about race in this instance. Just how the rich always seem to get over on the poor, even when they break the law.

/

Look I am throwing random stuff out there just like you and hot wings like you both do every time making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.

Race wasn't mentioned until you showed up. Though as you're a racist, you probably assume there are no wealthy black people.

WRONG LOSER! NICE TRY! BYE BYE


Are you feeling like a victim?
 
2013-07-26 11:12:08 AM  

fireclown: El Morro: People aren't supposed to be raped or beaten up in jail in the first place.

Winner!  The casual attitude people take to this is terrifying to me.

 
2013-07-26 11:14:20 AM  
Charles Dickens, whose Father was thrown into debtor's prison, documented the way private-for-profit prisons worked in his day for those with enough loot left over from their crimes to pay for the amenities and for those too poor to pay even modest debts, let alone the bills..

There was great inequality. Rich prisoners had well-appointed and comfortable apartments and were allowed to furnish them with their own furniture, books, etc. Some were allowed out on day leave. The poor were ill-fed, ill-treated and often naked. (You'd think this last problem would have vanished with the Victorian Dark Ages, but I've seen photographs from INS prisons where illegal immigrants are detained indefinitely--some of the prisoners were stark ballocks-naked because they didn't have anybody to provide them with clothes. THIS IS IN THE USA. NOW. Conditions were worse in the early 1800s in the UK, or perhaps not. Try walking around naked in the Arizona Sun for a few years without a trial or help from your friends and family, who may have no idea where you are.)

Dickens describes how considerately the paying customers were treated and how the celebity or high class inmates were sucked up to by their gaolers. They had every luxury of civilized life, like mafia dons in cartoons and sitcoms, while the common prisoners starved, died of easily preventable diseases, and were treated worse than lab rats today.

Thanks to Conservatives and Libertarians, everything old is new again. What's next? Allowing tourists to visit the insane asylums to mock and torment the loonies? Poke the looney with a stick, only $10. Throwing people into workhouses to be used as slave labour and feed a diet of thin gruel and unsafe water? Some people would rather die than go to the poorhouse. Well, let them die then and decrease the surplus population*.

Apparently all we learn from history is that the Faith-based Community learns nothing from history (or science, or art, or literature ... etc.) Truthiness is preferred to facts any way, so why would they learn anything from the past which they don't plan on learning from the present?

*There is no such thing as surplus of population. There is only a shortage of people willing to pay for the social good. In ecological terms, however, there is such a thing as surplus population but since a rich many may own as much as entire countries full of poor people, one rich man constitutes a surplus population much more despensable than say, Bangladesh, where our $100 concert t-shirts are made for pennies a day. I could do without a few hundred billionaires, even if that meant a net reduction in GDP, provided what was not lost was redistributed to those whose work really creates the wealth.

Jobby McJob Maker the Billionaire has created a net 0 jobs since 1945. Corporations on the Forbes 1,000 have created NO JOBS. They have outsourced them to places where there is no justice, no labour protection, no environmental protection, and they have turned them into capital, but they have not made one net part-time job in all that time--they have, rather, destroying untold millions of jobs to pump up the bottom line and the bonuses for CEOs.

The two countries who have done the most downsizing, outsourcing, offshoring, tax-sheltering and thieving form the apt acronym USUK. But all have sinned. People are no better off in many of these slave plantations than they are in Best Korea. A plundering plutocrat is a plundering plutocrat whether he works for the state or for the web of a few thousand corporations that own and govern the world. Of course, of those few thousands, a few hundred own and govern the rest.

You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to uncover the facts. The MSM actually does a fairly good job of documenting this shiat, at least in the premium journals and newspapers read by the elites. I've gotten my facts from the business press and top magazines and newspapers. Many of the articles have been posted to Fark.com.
 
2013-07-26 11:15:25 AM  

Droog8912: factoryconnection:
There's a very strong correlation with the rise and fall of violent crime on a time-delayed basis with the introduction and later banning of lead in gasoline in societies worldwide.  Lead exposure in children damages development of the pre-frontal cortex, which is important for making rational decisions in emotional situations.  For those with the right brain chemistry, that damage basically turns off their "morality" switch and leads to ape-sh*t crazy behavior in adolescence and young adulthood.

This match-up has been studied among countries that had different times for introduction and removal of leaded gas from society, and it has a very strong correlation.

Interesting theory.  Do you happen to know the name of the study?


Mother Jones article going into more detail about the data

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasol in e

Study from 2000 cited in article (pdf file) showing 90% correlation for 23 year lag in lead exposure in the USA

http://www.ricknevin.com/uploads/Nevin_2000_Env_Res_Author_Manuscrip t. pdf

2007 study by same author looking at whole world

http://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf
 
2013-07-26 11:16:00 AM  

KimNorth: making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.


Nobody said "whites" except you. Everybody else in here is talking about "RICH PEOPLE". Not "white people". Race wasn't mentioned until you brought it up. I didn't think you were racist. I do now.
 
2013-07-26 11:16:05 AM  
The jails around Boise and the surrounding areas already charge you.  $25 a day up to a max of $500.
http://www.adasheriff.org/Jail/InmateHousingPayment.aspx

So in theory you can get convicted, not pay your fines, go to jail and wind up owing even more money.  Don't pay that, go back to jail, wind up owing even more money.

Debtor's prison is alive and well.
 
2013-07-26 11:16:20 AM  
I don't get it, and what's this nonsense about return on investment-taxpayers already paid for it, now they have to pay for it again if they get arrested?
 
2013-07-26 11:16:33 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

But since you mention it, and now that I've given it some thought, people DO call out folks on that. Oprah did a whole couple of shows on it. You don't get any more outed than being on Oprah.

She even did a show on the author of "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" and it turned out the guy she got her groove back with was actually gay and just using her to get to America.

Oprah put it out there, so case closed.

My original point was that when you read stories about jails, especially before modern times, notorious or well-to-do prisoners always got preferential treatment. And we've always known about the "country club" federal prisons and such.

I know I post a lot about racism, but I really wasn't talking about race in this instance. Just how the rich always seem to get over on the poor, even when they break the law.

/

Look I am throwing random stuff out there just like you and hot wings like you both do every time making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.

Race wasn't mentioned until you showed up. Though as you're a racist, you probably assume there are no wealthy black people.

WRONG LOSER! NICE TRY! BYE BYE

Are you feeling like a victim?


Nope
 
2013-07-26 11:22:24 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: KimNorth: making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.

Nobody said "whites" except you. Everybody else in here is talking about "RICH PEOPLE". Not "white people". Race wasn't mentioned until you brought it up. I didn't think you were racist. I do now.


That is true, it is that every single time and I mean every time hot wings see's me on here he zero's in on me with whites this whites that and right away he called me racist so I just assumed race "whites" must have been mentioned. so your right I'm wrong race was not said.
 
2013-07-26 11:24:18 AM  
No cookies, but I bet you can get a tossed salad if you ask nicely.
 
2013-07-26 11:27:54 AM  

dsmith42: Droog8912: factoryconnection:
There's a very strong correlation with the rise and fall of violent crime on a time-delayed basis with the introduction and later banning of lead in gasoline in societies worldwide.  Lead exposure in children damages development of the pre-frontal cortex, which is important for making rational decisions in emotional situations.  For those with the right brain chemistry, that damage basically turns off their "morality" switch and leads to ape-sh*t crazy behavior in adolescence and young adulthood.

This match-up has been studied among countries that had different times for introduction and removal of leaded gas from society, and it has a very strong correlation.

Interesting theory.  Do you happen to know the name of the study?

Mother Jones article going into more detail about the data

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasol in e

Study from 2000 cited in article (pdf file) showing 90% correlation for 23 year lag in lead exposure in the USA

http://www.ricknevin.com/uploads/Nevin_2000_Env_Res_Author_Manuscrip t. pdf

2007 study by same author looking at whole world

http://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf


You can make the same correlation with legalized abortion. Surprise! When there are fewer poor people, crime tends to go down.
 
2013-07-26 11:28:34 AM  
I see the whole prison for profit system as a terrible terrible idea. I'm also not the Devine from the article.
 
2013-07-26 11:30:43 AM  

KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

But since you mention it, and now that I've given it some thought, people DO call out folks on that. Oprah did a whole couple of shows on it. You don't get any more outed than being on Oprah.

She even did a show on the author of "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" and it turned out the guy she got her groove back with was actually gay and just using her to get to America.

Oprah put it out there, so case closed.

My original point was that when you read stories about jails, especially before modern times, notorious or well-to-do prisoners always got preferential treatment. And we've always known about the "country club" federal prisons and such.

I know I post a lot about racism, but I really wasn't talking about race in this instance. Just how the rich always seem to get over on the poor, even when they break the law.

/

Look I am throwing random stuff out there just like you and hot wings like you both do every time making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.

Race wasn't mentioned until you showed up. Though as you're a racist, you probably assume there are no wealthy black people.

WRONG LOSER! NICE TRY! BYE BYE


race or rape
 
2013-07-26 11:31:02 AM  

brantgoose: Charles Dickens, whose Father was thrown into debtor's prison, documented the way private-for-profit prisons worked in his day for those with enough loot left over from their crimes to pay for the amenities and for those too poor to pay even modest debts, let alone the bills..

There was great inequality. Rich prisoners had well-appointed and comfortable apartments and were allowed to furnish them with their own furniture, books, etc. Some were allowed out on day leave. The poor were ill-fed, ill-treated and often naked. (You'd think this last problem would have vanished with the Victorian Dark Ages, but I've seen photographs from INS prisons where illegal immigrants are detained indefinitely--some of the prisoners were stark ballocks-naked because they didn't have anybody to provide them with clothes. THIS IS IN THE USA. NOW. Conditions were worse in the early 1800s in the UK, or perhaps not. Try walking around naked in the Arizona Sun for a few years without a trial or help from your friends and family, who may have no idea where you are.)

Dickens describes how considerately the paying customers were treated and how the celebity or high class inmates were sucked up to by their gaolers. They had every luxury of civilized life, like mafia dons in cartoons and sitcoms, while the common prisoners starved, died of easily preventable diseases, and were treated worse than lab rats today.

Thanks to Conservatives and Libertarians, everything old is new again. What's next? Allowing tourists to visit the insane asylums to mock and torment the loonies? Poke the looney with a stick, only $10. Throwing people into workhouses to be used as slave labour and feed a diet of thin gruel and unsafe water? Some people would rather die than go to the poorhouse. Well, let them die then and decrease the surplus population*.

Apparently all we learn from history is that the Faith-based Community learns nothing from history (or science, or art, or literature ... etc.) Truthiness is prefer ...


Isn't this a state owned facility?
 
2013-07-26 11:31:37 AM  
The more I learn about jail/prison conditions across the country, I wish the U.S. would treat those locked up more like they do in Russia.
 
2013-07-26 11:33:13 AM  
I like this for a headline of the year consideration.
 
2013-07-26 11:33:44 AM  

KimNorth: Sin_City_Superhero: KimNorth: making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.

Nobody said "whites" except you. Everybody else in here is talking about "RICH PEOPLE". Not "white people". Race wasn't mentioned until you brought it up. I didn't think you were racist. I do now.

That is true, it is that every single time and I mean every time hot wings see's me on here he zero's in on me with whites this whites that and right away he called me racist so I just assumed race "whites" must have been mentioned. so your right I'm wrong race was not said.


Yes, it's my fault that you're a racist.
 
2013-07-26 11:34:11 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Are you feeling like a victim?


If you give a troll a cookie...
 
2013-07-26 11:34:26 AM  
"...and cable TV on a widescreen, with a remote. And yes, it's HD."

Do they make widescreen non-HD televisions?
 
2013-07-26 11:36:17 AM  
This is one of those threads were poor people discover caps lock, isn't it?
 
2013-07-26 11:36:48 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: "...and cable TV on a widescreen, with a remote. And yes, it's HD."

Do they make widescreen non-HD televisions?


Why isn't it projection TV? And where is my internet service? My PS3?  DO THEY EXPECT ME TO LIVE LIKE AN ANIMAL?!?1?
 
2013-07-26 11:37:13 AM  

KimNorth: That is true, it is that every single time and I mean every time hot wings see's me on here he zero's in on me with whites this whites that and right away he called me racist so I just assumed race "whites" must have been mentioned. so your right I'm wrong race was not said.


reads like you're a racist and also have no personal responsibility...
 
2013-07-26 11:37:18 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yes, it's my fault that you're a racist.


He may be a racist, but you have an axe to grind. who is trolling who?
 
2013-07-26 11:37:24 AM  

trappedspirit: This is one of those threads were poor people discover caps lock, isn't it?


umm....
 
2013-07-26 11:38:41 AM  
alexvermeer.com
 
2013-07-26 11:39:56 AM  

dsmith42: Droog8912: factoryconnection:
There's a very strong correlation with the rise and fall of violent crime on a time-delayed basis with the introduction and later banning of lead in gasoline in societies worldwide.  Lead exposure in children damages development of the pre-frontal cortex, which is important for making rational decisions in emotional situations.  For those with the right brain chemistry, that damage basically turns off their "morality" switch and leads to ape-sh*t crazy behavior in adolescence and young adulthood.

This match-up has been studied among countries that had different times for introduction and removal of leaded gas from society, and it has a very strong correlation.

Interesting theory.  Do you happen to know the name of the study?

Mother Jones article going into more detail about the data

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasol in e

Study from 2000 cited in article (pdf file) showing 90% correlation for 23 year lag in lead exposure in the USA

http://www.ricknevin.com/uploads/Nevin_2000_Env_Res_Author_Manuscrip t. pdf

2007 study by same author looking at whole world

http://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf


Eh...might be a reason those studies aren't published in a criminology journal.
 
2013-07-26 11:40:01 AM  

cowgirl toffee: trappedspirit: This is one of those threads were poor people discover caps lock, isn't it?

umm....


CAPS LOCK THREAD!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!!!11!!!
 
2013-07-26 11:40:04 AM  

cowgirl toffee: StoPPeRmobile: "...and cable TV on a widescreen, with a remote. And yes, it's HD."

Do they make widescreen non-HD televisions?

Why isn't it projection TV? And where is my internet service? My PS3?  DO THEY EXPECT ME TO LIVE LIKE AN ANIMAL?!?1?


Projection TVs are more susceptible to video game image burn-in when paused for extended periods.
 
2013-07-26 11:40:24 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-26 11:40:42 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: [alexvermeer.com image 300x300]


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-26 11:41:12 AM  

lockers: HotWingConspiracy: Yes, it's my fault that you're a racist.

He may be a racist, but you have an axe to grind. who is trolling who?


Only one thing is clear, black people are gay and nobody talks about it.
 
2013-07-26 11:42:04 AM  

palelizard: cowgirl toffee: StoPPeRmobile: "...and cable TV on a widescreen, with a remote. And yes, it's HD."

Do they make widescreen non-HD televisions?

Why isn't it projection TV? And where is my internet service? My PS3?  DO THEY EXPECT ME TO LIVE LIKE AN ANIMAL?!?1?

Projection TVs are more susceptible to video game image burn-in when paused for extended periods.


There is no "pause" in my game play!
 
2013-07-26 11:42:28 AM  

gerbilpox: Diogenes: And leave my boyfriend out of this.

[wakpaper.com image 425x283]

That pic is disturbing. I'm as straight as they come, and no guy appeals to me, fem-ish or butch.

But damn, look at those eyes...


Black hair and blue eyes gets me every time.
 
2013-07-26 11:42:56 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: lockers: HotWingConspiracy: Yes, it's my fault that you're a racist.

He may be a racist, but you have an axe to grind. who is trolling who?

Only one thing is clear, black people are gay and nobody talks about it.


So you are going to trot out some crazy crap someone else said to defend yourself? Carry on then.
 
2013-07-26 11:43:35 AM  

offmymeds: cowgirl toffee: trappedspirit: This is one of those threads were poor people discover caps lock, isn't it?

umm....

CAPS LOCK THREAD!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!!!11!!!


MOTHA-FARKIN CAPS LOCK THREAD!

MOTHA-FARKIN CAPS LOCK THREAD!

MOTHA-FARKIN CAPS LOCK THREAD!

Oh shiat, now I'm poor.
 
2013-07-26 11:44:35 AM  

lockers: HotWingConspiracy: lockers: HotWingConspiracy: Yes, it's my fault that you're a racist.

He may be a racist, but you have an axe to grind. who is trolling who?

Only one thing is clear, black people are gay and nobody talks about it.

So you are going to trot out some crazy crap someone else said to defend yourself? Carry on then.


I wasn't aware there was any need to defend myself. Were you attacking me?
 
2013-07-26 11:44:40 AM  

odinsposse: d23: we need to make justice EVEN MORE easy for the rich.

buuuulshait.

Don't worry I'm sure they'll start charging other prisoners for their stay soon. It's all part of the plan to reintroduce debtors prisons and imprison a majority of the country.


Most of the people I talk to irl suuport both charging prisoners for their stay AND forcing them to work for pennies. Of course the stay would become longer if you couldn't pay. You know, to work it off.

Shortsighted idiots don't realize half of them are one layoff away from joining these folks.
 
2013-07-26 11:47:51 AM  

fireclown: El Morro: People aren't supposed to be raped or beaten up in jail in the first place.

Winner!  The casual attitude people take to this is terrifying to me.


Ditto.
 
2013-07-26 11:50:38 AM  
Just so I don't have to associate with the low life's.
 
2013-07-26 11:52:14 AM  

megarian: offmymeds: cowgirl toffee: trappedspirit: This is one of those threads were poor people discover caps lock, isn't it?

umm....

CAPS LOCK THREAD!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!!!11!!!

MOTHA-FARKIN CAPS LOCK THREAD!

MOTHA-FARKIN CAPS LOCK THREAD!

MOTHA-FARKIN CAPS LOCK THREAD!

Oh shiat, now I'm poor.


It's ok.  Regular jail is free. Wanna play with the PS3?
 
2013-07-26 11:52:20 AM  
I'm guessing it's empty because they stopped busting people on pot charges.They specifically built the thing for non-violent offenders, which is pig code for stoners.

I remember a Penn Jillette Libertarian fantasy, where there are no homeless on the street because they've been given rooms in the now empty jails.
 
2013-07-26 11:52:32 AM  
odinsposse:
Don't worry I'm sure they'll start charging other prisoners for their stay soon. It's all part of the plan to reintroduce debtors prisons and imprison a majority of the country.

I'd be surprised if they didn't already. According to my county's website, it costs $29 a night to stay in our work release detention center, plus $15 a week for urinalysis.

The regular jail is $10 a night if you don't qualify for work release.
 
2013-07-26 11:54:31 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.


so farked up...
 
2013-07-26 11:57:03 AM  

cowgirl toffee: megarian: offmymeds: cowgirl toffee: trappedspirit: This is one of those threads were poor people discover caps lock, isn't it?

umm....

CAPS LOCK THREAD!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!!!11!!!

MOTHA-FARKIN CAPS LOCK THREAD!

MOTHA-FARKIN CAPS LOCK THREAD!

MOTHA-FARKIN CAPS LOCK THREAD!

Oh shiat, now I'm poor.

It's ok.  Regular jail is free. Wanna play with the PS3?


Hell yeah! We get Honeybuns, too!
 
2013-07-26 11:57:46 AM  

Maul555: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

so farked up...


And think, it's in the most liberal part of the country.
 
2013-07-26 12:00:33 PM  

Bumblefark: dsmith42:
Study from 2000 cited in article (pdf file) showing 90% correlation for 23 year lag in lead exposure in the USA
http://www.ricknevin.com/uploads/Nevin_2000_Env_Res_Author_Manuscrip t. pdf
2007 study by same author looking at whole world
http://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf

Eh...might be a reason those studies aren't published in a criminology journal.


Thanks to dsmith42 for the researcher's name; I subsequently found additional research posted in the NBER digest, which can hardly be claimed is not a respected, scholarly organization: http://www.nber.org/digest/may08/w13097.html
 
2013-07-26 12:00:37 PM  

megarian: cowgirl toffee: megarian: offmymeds: cowgirl toffee: trappedspirit: ...

It's ok.  Regular jail is free. Wanna play with the PS3?

Hell yeah! We get Honeybuns, too!


Honey-buns! WHOOT!

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2013-07-26 12:00:54 PM  

uber humper: Maul555: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

so farked up...

And think, it's in the most liberal part of the country.


Which explains why they even bother to prosecute rich people.
 
2013-07-26 12:05:42 PM  
I was in holding there for an afternoon, enjoyed my stay! It didn't cost money back then...but my cell did have cable.

/missed a court date
//for doing donuts in central park
 
2013-07-26 12:06:07 PM  

lockers: uber humper: Maul555: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

so farked up...

And think, it's in the most liberal part of the country.

Which explains why they even bother to prosecute rich people.


You're exaggerating.  I'm not.
 
2013-07-26 12:12:01 PM  

cowgirl toffee: megarian: cowgirl toffee: megarian: offmymeds: cowgirl toffee: trappedspirit: ...

It's ok.  Regular jail is free. Wanna play with the PS3?

Hell yeah! We get Honeybuns, too!

Honey-buns! WHOOT!


*shrug*

At least it's not poop?
 
2013-07-26 12:12:47 PM  
"How did you get so good at embezzling?"

"I stayed at a Holiday Inn Supermax."
 
2013-07-26 12:15:23 PM  

megarian: cowgirl toffee: megarian: cowgirl toffee: megarian: offmymeds: cowgirl toffee: trappedspirit: ...

It's ok.  Regular jail is free. Wanna play with the PS3?

Hell yeah! We get Honeybuns, too!

Honey-buns! WHOOT!

*shrug*

At least it's not poop?


WHOOT! Milk Duds?
 
2013-07-26 12:19:22 PM  
$155/night seems a bargain.
In SoCal it's $350/night and it's NSFW, too!
 
2013-07-26 12:23:41 PM  

cowgirl toffee: megarian: cowgirl toffee: megarian: cowgirl toffee: megarian: offmymeds: cowgirl toffee: trappedspirit: ...

It's ok.  Regular jail is free. Wanna play with the PS3?

Hell yeah! We get Honeybuns, too!

Honey-buns! WHOOT!

*shrug*

At least it's not poop?

WHOOT! Milk Duds?


You. I like you.
 
2013-07-26 12:27:42 PM  

factoryconnection: This story is from a Hampton Roads-area station, and yet they use "Bay Area" and Fremont with no modifier.  Is this actually from Fremont, CA?


I doubt it. $155/night will buy you a damp spot in an alley at 7th and Turk in SF.
 
2013-07-26 12:29:12 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Yes, you read that right: When you get sent to jail, they charge you for everything.


So, it's like staying at a Hilton.
 
2013-07-26 12:32:35 PM  

megarian: cowgirl toffee: megarian: cowgirl toffee: megarian: cowgirl toffee: megarian: offmymeds: cowgirl toffee: trappedspirit: ...

...

You. I like you.


I know. :)
 
2013-07-26 12:37:38 PM  

megarian: cowgirl toffee: megarian: cowgirl toffee: megarian: cowgirl toffee: megarian: offmymeds: cowgirl toffee: trappedspirit: ...

It's ok.  Regular jail is free. Wanna play with the PS3?

Hell yeah! We get Honeybuns, too!

Honey-buns! WHOOT!

*shrug*

At least it's not poop?

WHOOT! Milk Duds?

You. I like you.


media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-26 12:38:37 PM  

Droog8912: Bumblefark: dsmith42:
Study from 2000 cited in article (pdf file) showing 90% correlation for 23 year lag in lead exposure in the USA
http://www.ricknevin.com/uploads/Nevin_2000_Env_Res_Author_Manuscrip t. pdf
2007 study by same author looking at whole world
http://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf

Eh...might be a reason those studies aren't published in a criminology journal.

Thanks to dsmith42 for the researcher's name; I subsequently found additional research posted in the NBER digest, which can hardly be claimed is not a respected, scholarly organization: http://www.nber.org/digest/may08/w13097.html


Pretty sure I didn't say the publications weren't "scholarly." I suggested there might be a red flag when a researcher is publishing his work in academic titles that have no particular expertise in his subject matter. It sort of undermines the peer-review process, since the people who would be looking at his work really aren't in a position to determine the validity of the claims. (Especially when the author appears to studiously avoid referencing works from the subject-relevant academic field in their literature review.)

/and, skimming through the work, yeah: I'm guessing any criminology/social problems title would have bounced the manuscript, or at the very least required a complete overhaul of the writeup.
 
2013-07-26 12:57:52 PM  
California LOVES a farking revenue stream. Got a DUI a dozen years ago- they were happy to offer me the option of cleaning up trash all day- for $100 a day fee! I told them to go to hell. It's OK to have inmates pick up garbage (gets you outside, away from the monotony of jail, etc), but I'll be damned if I'm gonna PAY the state $100 a day for  the "privilege" to clean up everybody's goddamn trash-

/old, bitter
 
2013-07-26 01:01:28 PM  

Bung_Howdy: California LOVES a farking revenue stream. Got a DUI a dozen years ago- they were happy to offer me the option of cleaning up trash all day- for $100 a day fee! I told them to go to hell. It's OK to have inmates pick up garbage (gets you outside, away from the monotony of jail, etc), but I'll be damned if I'm gonna PAY the state $100 a day for  the "privilege" to clean up everybody's goddamn trash-

/old, bitter


Can you blame them? The fricking voters won't let them generate revenue any normal way, so they have to resort to things like this.

/i've had to go to the court building three times in order to get a fix-it ticket cleared. I'm not any more enamored with this state than you are, but I try to see root causes to things.
 
2013-07-26 01:05:59 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Sin_City_Superhero: KimNorth: making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.

Nobody said "whites" except you. Everybody else in here is talking about "RICH PEOPLE". Not "white people". Race wasn't mentioned until you brought it up. I didn't think you were racist. I do now.

That is true, it is that every single time and I mean every time hot wings see's me on here he zero's in on me with whites this whites that and right away he called me racist so I just assumed race "whites" must have been mentioned. so your right I'm wrong race was not said.

Yes, it's my fault that you're a racist.


Ouch.

lulz
 
2013-07-26 01:06:35 PM  

Peki: You can make the same correlation with legalized abortion. Surprise! When there are fewer poor people, crime tends to go down.


It does for the US, but the abortion thing doesn't play out the same way in other countries, but all countries have had and then banned leaded gas and the correlation holds true.
 
2013-07-26 01:10:52 PM  
I'm all for locking up violent offenders who are a danger to society. However, I do not like the idea of the prisoners having to fork over $$ to pay for the privilege of being locked up. IMO, this is like paying a court fee to be found not-guilty for a B.S. ticket. I realize the analogy is not quite on the same level, but it the best I could come up with at this moment.
If society wants these laws and prisons, let society pay for them through taxes.
 
2013-07-26 01:16:08 PM  

factoryconnection: Peki: You can make the same correlation with legalized abortion. Surprise! When there are fewer poor people, crime tends to go down.

It does for the US, but the abortion thing doesn't play out the same way in other countries, but all countries have had and then banned leaded gas and the correlation holds true.


I don't think any other country had legalized abortion to the extent the US had. In most other countries where it's legal, I think it's restricted to health of the mother and rape/incest. Feel free to prove me wrong.
 
2013-07-26 01:42:41 PM  
Buying your way out of genpop is a smart move.
 
2013-07-26 01:48:28 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Yes, you read that right: When you get sent to jail, they charge you for everything.


If you don't pay, will they kick you out?
 
2013-07-26 01:48:42 PM  

Peki: factoryconnection: Peki: You can make the same correlation with legalized abortion. Surprise! When there are fewer poor people, crime tends to go down.

It does for the US, but the abortion thing doesn't play out the same way in other countries, but all countries have had and then banned leaded gas and the correlation holds true.

I don't think any other country had legalized abortion to the extent the US had. In most other countries where it's legal, I think it's restricted to health of the mother and rape/incest. Feel free to prove me wrong.


That is his point, that your abortion comment has nothing to do with lead.

On a side note, why is it so hard to believe that lead is bad?
 
2013-07-26 01:53:27 PM  

derekdoubleut: I'm all for locking up violent offenders who are a danger to society. However, I do not like the idea of the prisoners having to fork over $$ to pay for the privilege of being locked up. IMO, this is like paying a court fee to be found not-guilty for a B.S. ticket. I realize the analogy is not quite on the same level, but it the best I could come up with at this moment.
If society wants these laws and prisons, let society pay for them through taxes.


Well, look at other situations and you'll notice that charging the guilty money to complete their punishment isn't unique to prisoners.  I used to install breathalyzers into the cars of those who were arrested for drunk driving (not convicted, just arrested).  The company that I worked for charged up to $150 for an install, up to $75/month for the state mandated calibration and $45 for the device to be removed (even if you removed it yourself you were still charged the $45 removal fee).  Add to that the monthly probation officer visit that our clients had to make for the length of the probation at $75 per P.O. visit and you realize that probation is paying for the honor of letting the state monitor what you do with the threat of "step out of line once and you're probation gets revoked".  And in the case of those arrested for DUI, not paying the $75/month to the P.O. can result in arrest, not paying the breathalyzer company or even missing an appointment can result in your car not starting and arrest (the state would assume that you did something wrong and are avoiding your monthly calibration, or you did something to your device).  Not to mention the classes that have to be attended and the community service (and I have no idea if the classes are free or not).

Now, people will read that and say "Yeah, but those are drunk drivers, they could have..." and then relay horror stories about killed children and lives shattered.  And yes, I will agree that such a thing is possible as a drunk driver.  But the above is true for someone arrested for a 0.12 or a 0.081.  A mother farking 0.08 shouldn't be an arrest, but that's more of another thread kind of thing.  But either way it's paying money to continue to be punished for your crime and being told to pay or return to jail.
 
2013-07-26 02:16:38 PM  
www.letoilemagazine.com
Do you pay for your own interogation as well?
 
2013-07-26 02:18:25 PM  

Smackledorfer: Peki: factoryconnection: Peki: You can make the same correlation with legalized abortion. Surprise! When there are fewer poor people, crime tends to go down.

It does for the US, but the abortion thing doesn't play out the same way in other countries, but all countries have had and then banned leaded gas and the correlation holds true.

I don't think any other country had legalized abortion to the extent the US had. In most other countries where it's legal, I think it's restricted to health of the mother and rape/incest. Feel free to prove me wrong.

That is his point, that your abortion comment has nothing to do with lead.

On a side note, why is it so hard to believe that lead is bad?


It isn't, I know lead is bad.
I was just pointing out another possible explanation, is all.
 
2013-07-26 02:26:34 PM  

MythDragon: [www.letoilemagazine.com image 500x281]
Do you pay for your own interogation as well?


You better tip handsomely.
 
2013-07-26 03:47:59 PM  

Peki: dsmith42: Droog8912: factoryconnection:
There's a very strong correlation with the rise and fall of violent crime on a time-delayed basis with the introduction and later banning of lead in gasoline in societies worldwide.  Lead exposure in children damages development of the pre-frontal cortex, which is important for making rational decisions in emotional situations.  For those with the right brain chemistry, that damage basically turns off their "morality" switch and leads to ape-sh*t crazy behavior in adolescence and young adulthood.

This match-up has been studied among countries that had different times for introduction and removal of leaded gas from society, and it has a very strong correlation.

Interesting theory.  Do you happen to know the name of the study?

Mother Jones article going into more detail about the data

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasol in e

Study from 2000 cited in article (pdf file) showing 90% correlation for 23 year lag in lead exposure in the USA

http://www.ricknevin.com/uploads/Nevin_2000_Env_Res_Author_Manuscrip t. pdf

2007 study by same author looking at whole world

http://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf

You can make the same correlation with legalized abortion. Surprise! When there are fewer poor people, crime tends to go down.


From the NBER summary,

"From 1992 to 2002, violent crime dropped 34 percent. Reyes estimates that declining lead exposure was responsible for a 56 percent decrease in this time period, legalized abortion for another 29 percent decrease, while other factors combined to produce a 23 percent decrease. The remaining 74 percent increase, a sustained rise of about 3 to 5 percent annually, remains unexplained.  "

You objection was noted and considered in the paper.
 
2013-07-26 06:17:52 PM  
Disgusting.

Soulless, ominous, and disgusting that anyone let the private prison industry even get this far.
 
2013-07-26 07:10:09 PM  

koder: Disgusting.

Soulless, ominous, and disgusting that anyone let the private prison industry even get this far.


Is it a private prison? I was thinking it was county or state owned and operated. California needs money from wherever they can get it.
 
2013-07-26 07:57:40 PM  

uber humper: Maul555: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

so farked up...

And think, it's in the most liberal part of the country.


Uh, ya... Not true.

I'm sure Vermont or some other NE area can claim that title.
 
2013-07-26 08:04:23 PM  

Peki: factoryconnection: Peki: You can make the same correlation with legalized abortion. Surprise! When there are fewer poor people, crime tends to go down.

It does for the US, but the abortion thing doesn't play out the same way in other countries, but all countries have had and then banned leaded gas and the correlation holds true.

I don't think any other country had legalized abortion to the extent the US had. In most other countries where it's legal, I think it's restricted to health of the mother and rape/incest. Feel free to prove me wrong.


I believe abortion is legal in most industrialized nations. The USA is far more conservative than most of europe, except ireland.

It's very common in japan, and it's extremely common in several Asian nations for sex selective purposes, especially china. In korea, there's almost no out of wedlock births. If you get pregnant out of wedlock, you are expected to abort.
 
2013-07-26 08:06:16 PM  

obamadidcoke: Okay, people who are convicted of misdemeanors can pay $155 a night to stay in a particular jail. This means that a businessman who is convicted of DWI can pay to avoid being in an overcrowded unsafe jail with poor people, while a poor laborer who is jailed over non-payment of a vehicle registration ticket gets thrown into what is basically a violent out of control hellhole.

So, a guy who risks the lives of people around him gets safety and a guy who can't afford car registration gets danger.

This isn't right. We should do something about it.


What are you suggesting we do? Wealth redistribution?
 
2013-07-26 08:17:25 PM  

o'really: uber humper: Maul555: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

so farked up...

And think, it's in the most liberal part of the country.

Uh, ya... Not true.

I'm sure Vermont or some other NE area can claim that title.


You've never been to San Francisco. Fremont is a little more conservative, but not by much. Other Alemeda county cities include Berkley and Oakland - in one of those you will be shot for being a republican the other you would be stabbed (guns evil). There is nowhere on Earth more left wing than Berkley -- I can't call them liberal, they are hard lefties.

As much as the so-called libs should be against this, they allow it in their back yard.
 
2013-07-26 08:21:06 PM  

uber humper: o'really: uber humper: Maul555: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

so farked up...

And think, it's in the most liberal part of the country.

Uh, ya... Not true.

I'm sure Vermont or some other NE area can claim that title.

You've never been to San Francisco. Fremont is a little more conservative, but not by much. Other Alemeda county cities include Berkley and Oakland - in one of those you will be shot for being a republican the other you would be stabbed (guns evil). There is nowhere on Earth more left wing than Berkley -- I can't call them liberal, they are hard lefties.

As much as the so-called libs should be against this, they allow it in their back yard.


Correction, I see you're in San Jose. You know Alameda county then. Vermont, yea they wear tweed and elbow patches, but they don't protest like the Bay Area folk.
 
2013-07-26 08:52:22 PM  

studebaker hoch: Buying your way out of genpop is a smart move.


generation POP?  like DURAN DURAN
 
2013-07-26 09:06:13 PM  

uber humper: uber humper: o'really: uber humper: Maul555: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

so farked up...

And think, it's in the most liberal part of the country.

Uh, ya... Not true.

I'm sure Vermont or some other NE area can claim that title.

You've never been to San Francisco. Fremont is a little more conservative, but not by much. Other Alemeda county cities include Berkley and Oakland - in one of those you will be shot for being a republican the other you would be stabbed (guns evil). There is nowhere on Earth more left wing than Berkley -- I can't call them liberal, they are hard lefties.

As much as the so-called libs should be against this, they allow it in their back yard.

Correction, I see you're in San Jose. You know Alameda county then. Vermont, yea they wear tweed and elbow patches, but they don't protest like the Bay Area folk.


I had to look it up. Alameda county isn't in the top 20 most liberal counties. But some other bay area counties are up there, so i forgive you...
 
2013-07-26 09:35:49 PM  
Jon iz teh kewl

studebaker hoch: Buying your way out of genpop is a smart move.

generation POP? like DURAN DURAN


Nothing in the worst of our prisons is that frightening.
 
2013-07-27 04:02:44 AM  

o'really: obamadidcoke: Okay, people who are convicted of misdemeanors can pay $155 a night to stay in a particular jail. This means that a businessman who is convicted of DWI can pay to avoid being in an overcrowded unsafe jail with poor people, while a poor laborer who is jailed over non-payment of a vehicle registration ticket gets thrown into what is basically a violent out of control hellhole.

So, a guy who risks the lives of people around him gets safety and a guy who can't afford car registration gets danger.

This isn't right. We should do something about it.

What are you suggesting we do? Wealth redistribution?


How about the same legal system for the rich and the poor?
 
2013-07-27 12:35:31 PM  
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