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2013-07-26 10:27:58 AM

Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.


And they always have.
 
2013-07-26 10:29:27 AM

KimNorth: Theaetetus: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there.

Excellent... That way, it's not just little Frankie that we're punishing, but Frankie's entire family! We'll drive them all into the depths of poverty, at which point they have to steal to survive, and then we'll imprison them too! We'll get government payouts for a half dozen prisoners instead of just one! See, this is why brilliant people like you are in charge of our for-profit prison system.

They don't have to pay. I know they might have to give up their cigs and beer. I am such a hater. My god they may have to go and ask for extra work, WTF is that you say??? Does Frankie only have two people in his family? Victim, Victim, Victim.......


Racist says what
 
2013-07-26 10:30:11 AM
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2013-07-26 10:30:24 AM

factoryconnection: Lady Indica: Everywhere in the world actually. Yeah, I know. Violence has sharply fallen too. Things actually keep getting better and better for most of humanity.

There's a very strong correlation with the rise and fall of violent crime on a time-delayed basis with the introduction and later banning of lead in gasoline in societies worldwide.  Lead exposure in children damages development of the pre-frontal cortex, which is important for making rational decisions in emotional situations.  For those with the right brain chemistry, that damage basically turns off their "morality" switch and leads to ape-sh*t crazy behavior in adolescence and young adulthood.

This match-up has been studied among countries that had different times for introduction and removal of leaded gas from society, and it has a very strong correlation.


Does it also damage the ability of people to be empathetic, etc?

Because I may have suddenly figured out something else, if it does.
 
2013-07-26 10:31:21 AM
factoryconnection:
There's a very strong correlation with the rise and fall of violent crime on a time-delayed basis with the introduction and later banning of lead in gasoline in societies worldwide.  Lead exposure in children damages development of the pre-frontal cortex, which is important for making rational decisions in emotional situations.  For those with the right brain chemistry, that damage basically turns off their "morality" switch and leads to ape-sh*t crazy behavior in adolescence and young adulthood.

This match-up has been studied among countries that had different times for introduction and removal of leaded gas from society, and it has a very strong correlation.


Interesting theory.  Do you happen to know the name of the study?
 
2013-07-26 10:32:31 AM

KimNorth: Theaetetus: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there.

Excellent... That way, it's not just little Frankie that we're punishing, but Frankie's entire family! We'll drive them all into the depths of poverty, at which point they have to steal to survive, and then we'll imprison them too! We'll get government payouts for a half dozen prisoners instead of just one! See, this is why brilliant people like you are in charge of our for-profit prison system.

They don't have to pay. I know they might have to give up their cigs and beer. I am such a hater. My god they may have to go and ask for extra work, WTF is that you say??? Does Frankie only have two people in his family? Victim, Victim, Victim.......


Stream of unconsciousness? wtf did I just read?
 
2013-07-26 10:33:02 AM

Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.


And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.
 
2013-07-26 10:33:06 AM

sboyle1020: Wow...So they only need 64,516 prisoners to stay one night, or 9,217 to stay for a week or 2,115 to stay for a month.  They'll make back that 10MM in no time.


I'm assuming that's sarcasm. (And when you assume...)

They only need 176 prisoners stay a year, and they're set. It also doesn't have to be the same 176 people; each shorter-term inmate can be replaced with new one. Even if there's 50% vacancy due to transition time, that's only 2 years to make it up. After that, it's pure profit, baby! (Well, mostly.)

/ elitism? bah! it's only$4,650/mo, $56,575/yr.
// put it on a credit card and sell drugs or rob banks to pay it off
/// after that, your crimes are pure profit, baby!
 
2013-07-26 10:34:40 AM

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Theaetetus: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there.

Excellent... That way, it's not just little Frankie that we're punishing, but Frankie's entire family! We'll drive them all into the depths of poverty, at which point they have to steal to survive, and then we'll imprison them too! We'll get government payouts for a half dozen prisoners instead of just one! See, this is why brilliant people like you are in charge of our for-profit prison system.

They don't have to pay. I know they might have to give up their cigs and beer. I am such a hater. My god they may have to go and ask for extra work, WTF is that you say??? Does Frankie only have two people in his family? Victim, Victim, Victim.......

Racist says what


You're my favorite!! You never disappoint, racist, racist, racist!
 
2013-07-26 10:36:07 AM

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Theaetetus: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there.

Excellent... That way, it's not just little Frankie that we're punishing, but Frankie's entire family! We'll drive them all into the depths of poverty, at which point they have to steal to survive, and then we'll imprison them too! We'll get government payouts for a half dozen prisoners instead of just one! See, this is why brilliant people like you are in charge of our for-profit prison system.

They don't have to pay. I know they might have to give up their cigs and beer. I am such a hater. My god they may have to go and ask for extra work, WTF is that you say??? Does Frankie only have two people in his family? Victim, Victim, Victim.......

Racist says what


Technically, I think that's classist.
 
2013-07-26 10:36:29 AM
Well that's step one.

Step two is to make the conditions in the other, free jails so horrible that people will be lining up to fill the pay-as-you-stay jails.

Step three, as we all know, is PROFIT.
 
2013-07-26 10:40:17 AM

CokeBear: But that never happened leaving Fremont with a brand new, sparkling, unused jail.
"We are the trustees of a large facility that was paid for with taxpayer money. Now we need to be good stewards of that investment and maximize its use and efficiency for the taxpayers," says Devine.
The city says pay-as-you-go jail isn't about elitism; it's about return on investment.
"There is a cost to government. And that cost, where appropriate, should be borne by the people using the program or facility, or what not," says Devine.

This is what your tax dollars are being wasted on. Even as crime rates fall everywhere, government contracts to build unneeded prisons...


Got one up here in Portland too.
 
2013-07-26 10:42:04 AM

Diogenes: And leave my boyfriend out of this.

[wakpaper.com image 425x283]


That pic is disturbing. I'm as straight as they come, and no guy appeals to me, fem-ish or butch.

But damn, look at those eyes...
 
2013-07-26 10:42:09 AM

KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there. We all know not everyone is jail ready and is a major target. The Judge get's to decide who gets to go, so don't think he would be sending a rapist or murder there.


People aren't supposed to be raped or beaten up in jail in the first place.
 
2013-07-26 10:44:15 AM
Ingham county jail is $55 a night whether you like it or not.

...not that I'd know.
 
2013-07-26 10:46:54 AM

Theaetetus: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Theaetetus: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there.

Excellent... That way, it's not just little Frankie that we're punishing, but Frankie's entire family! We'll drive them all into the depths of poverty, at which point they have to steal to survive, and then we'll imprison them too! We'll get government payouts for a half dozen prisoners instead of just one! See, this is why brilliant people like you are in charge of our for-profit prison system.

They don't have to pay. I know they might have to give up their cigs and beer. I am such a hater. My god they may have to go and ask for extra work, WTF is that you say??? Does Frankie only have two people in his family? Victim, Victim, Victim.......

Racist says what

Technically, I think that's classist.


It's always rooted in racism:

KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.


Some people just can't help themselves.
 
2013-07-26 10:49:06 AM

Lady Indica: KimNorth: CokeBear: Even as crime rates fall everywhere

Where is this happening???

Everywhere in the world actually. Yeah, I know. Violence has sharply fallen too. Things actually keep getting better and better for most of humanity.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405311190410670457658320358940 8 180.html


White Rose Duelist: KimNorth: CokeBear: Even as crime rates fall everywhere

Where is this happening???

The United States.

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CokeBear: KimNorth: CokeBear: Even as crime rates fall everywhere

Where is this happening???

Canada: http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3910968-national-crime-rate-falls-t o -its-lowest-level-since-1972/
UK: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323993804578613670285006 836.html
America & the whole world: http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21582041-rich-world-seeing-les s -and-less-crime-even-face-high-unemployment-and-economic


God I love it when a thread comes together.
 
2013-07-26 10:50:04 AM

KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.


How is rich people having their own personal jail service a comparison to what black people do with their sex lives?

One is taking advantage of the tax payers - because we still subsidize the jails - these people are paying for extra service they don't deserve - or if they do then all prisoners do.

The other is....I don't know...people having sex? I guess you even mean *gasp* gay sex and maybe cheating on somebody? Not anyone's finest moral hour but I'm not sure how this impacts the overall fairness of society or cheats taxpayers.

That was either some fine trolling or just a weird comparison that you thought made sense but really didn't.
 
2013-07-26 10:52:40 AM

El Morro: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there. We all know not everyone is jail ready and is a major target. The Judge get's to decide who gets to go, so don't think he would be sending a rapist or murder there.

People aren't supposed to be raped or beaten up in jail in the first place.


But sadly they are.
 
2013-07-26 10:52:51 AM

KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.


I... wait... what?
 
2013-07-26 10:56:08 AM
The campfire chili and bandit burgers are premium items, of course, but worth every penny.
 
2013-07-26 10:56:09 AM

KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.


But since you mention it, and now that I've given it some thought, people DO call out folks on that. Oprah did a whole couple of shows on it. You don't get any more outed than being on Oprah.

She even did a show on the author of "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" and it turned out the guy she got her groove back with was actually gay and just using her to get to America.

Oprah put it out there, so case closed.

My original point was that when you read stories about jails, especially before modern times, notorious or well-to-do prisoners always got preferential treatment. And we've always known about the "country club" federal prisons and such.

I know I post a lot about racism, but I really wasn't talking about race in this instance. Just how the rich always seem to get over on the poor, even when they break the law.

/
 
2013-07-26 10:56:56 AM
In for a pound in for a penny.
 
2013-07-26 10:58:01 AM

Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

How is rich people having their own personal jail service a comparison to what black people do with their sex lives?

One is taking advantage of the tax payers - because we still subsidize the jails - these people are paying for extra service they don't deserve - or if they do then all prisoners do.

The other is....I don't know...people having sex? I guess you even mean *gasp* gay sex and maybe cheating on somebody? Not anyone's finest moral hour but I'm not sure how this impacts the overall fairness of society or cheats taxpayers.

That was either some fine trolling or just a weird comparison that you thought made sense but really didn't.


I'm trolling you and hot wings as you both just are like wham! every darn time on these type of stories. We see thing differently so what...But darn if I say blue you and hot wings says red then calls me a racist.
 
2013-07-26 10:58:30 AM

Diogenes: Diogenes: And leave my boyfriend out of this.

[wakpaper.com image 425x283]

Oh, wow.  REALLY wrong thread.

ooooh he's dreamy ♥♥

 
2013-07-26 10:58:51 AM

Hyena5: I definitely prefer The Hoosegow over The Clink


A contract with The Hoosegow may be a little more expensive but when you're incarcerated (and you will be) you'll really appreciate where those extra Kongbucks are going. Buddy of mine figured he'd never end up inside so he cheaped out and went with The Slammer. Bad choice.

/you know why they call it the slammer don't you, boy
//prison rape jokes are acceptable rape jokes because it mostly happens to men
///mostly
 
2013-07-26 11:01:31 AM

Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

But since you mention it, and now that I've given it some thought, people DO call out folks on that. Oprah did a whole couple of shows on it. You don't get any more outed than being on Oprah.

She even did a show on the author of "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" and it turned out the guy she got her groove back with was actually gay and just using her to get to America.

Oprah put it out there, so case closed.

My original point was that when you read stories about jails, especially before modern times, notorious or well-to-do prisoners always got preferential treatment. And we've always known about the "country club" federal prisons and such.

I know I post a lot about racism, but I really wasn't talking about race in this instance. Just how the rich always seem to get over on the poor, even when they break the law.

/


Look I am throwing random stuff out there just like you and hot wings like you both do every time making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.
 
2013-07-26 11:03:24 AM

KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

How is rich people having their own personal jail service a comparison to what black people do with their sex lives?

One is taking advantage of the tax payers - because we still subsidize the jails - these people are paying for extra service they don't deserve - or if they do then all prisoners do.

The other is....I don't know...people having sex? I guess you even mean *gasp* gay sex and maybe cheating on somebody? Not anyone's finest moral hour but I'm not sure how this impacts the overall fairness of society or cheats taxpayers.

That was either some fine trolling or just a weird comparison that you thought made sense but really didn't.

I'm trolling you and hot wings as you both just are like wham! every darn time on these type of stories. We see thing differently so what...But darn if I say blue you and hot wings says red then calls me a racist.


If your response to "wealthy people are treated differently by the law" is "Yeah, but black people are gay", you're probably a racist.

And if you're openly admitting trolling, I'm unclear as to why you haven't been dealt with yet.
 
2013-07-26 11:06:14 AM

El Morro: People aren't supposed to be raped or beaten up in jail in the first place.


Winner!  The casual attitude people take to this is terrifying to me.
 
2013-07-26 11:06:19 AM

KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

But since you mention it, and now that I've given it some thought, people DO call out folks on that. Oprah did a whole couple of shows on it. You don't get any more outed than being on Oprah.

She even did a show on the author of "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" and it turned out the guy she got her groove back with was actually gay and just using her to get to America.

Oprah put it out there, so case closed.

My original point was that when you read stories about jails, especially before modern times, notorious or well-to-do prisoners always got preferential treatment. And we've always known about the "country club" federal prisons and such.

I know I post a lot about racism, but I really wasn't talking about race in this instance. Just how the rich always seem to get over on the poor, even when they break the law.

/

Look I am throwing random stuff out there just like you and hot wings like you both do every time making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.


Race wasn't mentioned until you showed up. Though as you're a racist, you probably assume there are no wealthy black people.
 
2013-07-26 11:08:00 AM

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

But since you mention it, and now that I've given it some thought, people DO call out folks on that. Oprah did a whole couple of shows on it. You don't get any more outed than being on Oprah.

She even did a show on the author of "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" and it turned out the guy she got her groove back with was actually gay and just using her to get to America.

Oprah put it out there, so case closed.

My original point was that when you read stories about jails, especially before modern times, notorious or well-to-do prisoners always got preferential treatment. And we've always known about the "country club" federal prisons and such.

I know I post a lot about racism, but I really wasn't talking about race in this instance. Just how the rich always seem to get over on the poor, even when they break the law.

/

Look I am throwing random stuff out there just like you and hot wings like you both do every time making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.

Race wasn't mentioned until you showed up. Though as you're a racist, you probably assume there are no wealthy black people.


WRONG LOSER! NICE TRY! BYE BYE
 
2013-07-26 11:09:07 AM

El Morro: KimNorth: I think this is a good idea, if poor the family could all chip in and come up with the money for little Frankie's stay so he does not get raped or beat while in there. We all know not everyone is jail ready and is a major target. The Judge get's to decide who gets to go, so don't think he would be sending a rapist or murder there.

People aren't supposed to be raped or beaten up in jail in the first place.


Did you buy that line about "rehabilitating" people?
 
2013-07-26 11:10:40 AM
My personal belief is that there shouldn't be special pay as you go prisons.  Upon conviction of a crime and sentencing that results in a prison sentence, there is no white collar crime resort style prison, there is no special privilege for being rich and/or famous.  Going to prison should be handled the way military basic training is handled.  Who you were prior to basic training doesn't matter.  Everyone gets their head shaved, is given a uniform, gets the same bed, wall locker and no consideration is given for who you think you are.  Same should be for prison.  Doesn't matter if you were a poor nobody or a rich celebrity.  Go to prison and everyone gets treated the same.  Same uniform, same cell, same bed and zero consideration for who you were outside of prison.
 
2013-07-26 11:11:36 AM

KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

But since you mention it, and now that I've given it some thought, people DO call out folks on that. Oprah did a whole couple of shows on it. You don't get any more outed than being on Oprah.

She even did a show on the author of "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" and it turned out the guy she got her groove back with was actually gay and just using her to get to America.

Oprah put it out there, so case closed.

My original point was that when you read stories about jails, especially before modern times, notorious or well-to-do prisoners always got preferential treatment. And we've always known about the "country club" federal prisons and such.

I know I post a lot about racism, but I really wasn't talking about race in this instance. Just how the rich always seem to get over on the poor, even when they break the law.

/

Look I am throwing random stuff out there just like you and hot wings like you both do every time making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.

Race wasn't mentioned until you showed up. Though as you're a racist, you probably assume there are no wealthy black people.

WRONG LOSER! NICE TRY! BYE BYE


Are you feeling like a victim?
 
2013-07-26 11:12:08 AM

fireclown: El Morro: People aren't supposed to be raped or beaten up in jail in the first place.

Winner!  The casual attitude people take to this is terrifying to me.

 
2013-07-26 11:14:20 AM
Charles Dickens, whose Father was thrown into debtor's prison, documented the way private-for-profit prisons worked in his day for those with enough loot left over from their crimes to pay for the amenities and for those too poor to pay even modest debts, let alone the bills..

There was great inequality. Rich prisoners had well-appointed and comfortable apartments and were allowed to furnish them with their own furniture, books, etc. Some were allowed out on day leave. The poor were ill-fed, ill-treated and often naked. (You'd think this last problem would have vanished with the Victorian Dark Ages, but I've seen photographs from INS prisons where illegal immigrants are detained indefinitely--some of the prisoners were stark ballocks-naked because they didn't have anybody to provide them with clothes. THIS IS IN THE USA. NOW. Conditions were worse in the early 1800s in the UK, or perhaps not. Try walking around naked in the Arizona Sun for a few years without a trial or help from your friends and family, who may have no idea where you are.)

Dickens describes how considerately the paying customers were treated and how the celebity or high class inmates were sucked up to by their gaolers. They had every luxury of civilized life, like mafia dons in cartoons and sitcoms, while the common prisoners starved, died of easily preventable diseases, and were treated worse than lab rats today.

Thanks to Conservatives and Libertarians, everything old is new again. What's next? Allowing tourists to visit the insane asylums to mock and torment the loonies? Poke the looney with a stick, only $10. Throwing people into workhouses to be used as slave labour and feed a diet of thin gruel and unsafe water? Some people would rather die than go to the poorhouse. Well, let them die then and decrease the surplus population*.

Apparently all we learn from history is that the Faith-based Community learns nothing from history (or science, or art, or literature ... etc.) Truthiness is preferred to facts any way, so why would they learn anything from the past which they don't plan on learning from the present?

*There is no such thing as surplus of population. There is only a shortage of people willing to pay for the social good. In ecological terms, however, there is such a thing as surplus population but since a rich many may own as much as entire countries full of poor people, one rich man constitutes a surplus population much more despensable than say, Bangladesh, where our $100 concert t-shirts are made for pennies a day. I could do without a few hundred billionaires, even if that meant a net reduction in GDP, provided what was not lost was redistributed to those whose work really creates the wealth.

Jobby McJob Maker the Billionaire has created a net 0 jobs since 1945. Corporations on the Forbes 1,000 have created NO JOBS. They have outsourced them to places where there is no justice, no labour protection, no environmental protection, and they have turned them into capital, but they have not made one net part-time job in all that time--they have, rather, destroying untold millions of jobs to pump up the bottom line and the bonuses for CEOs.

The two countries who have done the most downsizing, outsourcing, offshoring, tax-sheltering and thieving form the apt acronym USUK. But all have sinned. People are no better off in many of these slave plantations than they are in Best Korea. A plundering plutocrat is a plundering plutocrat whether he works for the state or for the web of a few thousand corporations that own and govern the world. Of course, of those few thousands, a few hundred own and govern the rest.

You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to uncover the facts. The MSM actually does a fairly good job of documenting this shiat, at least in the premium journals and newspapers read by the elites. I've gotten my facts from the business press and top magazines and newspapers. Many of the articles have been posted to Fark.com.
 
2013-07-26 11:15:25 AM

Droog8912: factoryconnection:
There's a very strong correlation with the rise and fall of violent crime on a time-delayed basis with the introduction and later banning of lead in gasoline in societies worldwide.  Lead exposure in children damages development of the pre-frontal cortex, which is important for making rational decisions in emotional situations.  For those with the right brain chemistry, that damage basically turns off their "morality" switch and leads to ape-sh*t crazy behavior in adolescence and young adulthood.

This match-up has been studied among countries that had different times for introduction and removal of leaded gas from society, and it has a very strong correlation.

Interesting theory.  Do you happen to know the name of the study?


Mother Jones article going into more detail about the data

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasol in e

Study from 2000 cited in article (pdf file) showing 90% correlation for 23 year lag in lead exposure in the USA

http://www.ricknevin.com/uploads/Nevin_2000_Env_Res_Author_Manuscrip t. pdf

2007 study by same author looking at whole world

http://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf
 
2013-07-26 11:16:00 AM

KimNorth: making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.


Nobody said "whites" except you. Everybody else in here is talking about "RICH PEOPLE". Not "white people". Race wasn't mentioned until you brought it up. I didn't think you were racist. I do now.
 
2013-07-26 11:16:05 AM
The jails around Boise and the surrounding areas already charge you.  $25 a day up to a max of $500.
http://www.adasheriff.org/Jail/InmateHousingPayment.aspx

So in theory you can get convicted, not pay your fines, go to jail and wind up owing even more money.  Don't pay that, go back to jail, wind up owing even more money.

Debtor's prison is alive and well.
 
2013-07-26 11:16:20 AM
I don't get it, and what's this nonsense about return on investment-taxpayers already paid for it, now they have to pay for it again if they get arrested?
 
2013-07-26 11:16:33 AM

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

But since you mention it, and now that I've given it some thought, people DO call out folks on that. Oprah did a whole couple of shows on it. You don't get any more outed than being on Oprah.

She even did a show on the author of "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" and it turned out the guy she got her groove back with was actually gay and just using her to get to America.

Oprah put it out there, so case closed.

My original point was that when you read stories about jails, especially before modern times, notorious or well-to-do prisoners always got preferential treatment. And we've always known about the "country club" federal prisons and such.

I know I post a lot about racism, but I really wasn't talking about race in this instance. Just how the rich always seem to get over on the poor, even when they break the law.

/

Look I am throwing random stuff out there just like you and hot wings like you both do every time making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.

Race wasn't mentioned until you showed up. Though as you're a racist, you probably assume there are no wealthy black people.

WRONG LOSER! NICE TRY! BYE BYE

Are you feeling like a victim?


Nope
 
2013-07-26 11:22:24 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: KimNorth: making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.

Nobody said "whites" except you. Everybody else in here is talking about "RICH PEOPLE". Not "white people". Race wasn't mentioned until you brought it up. I didn't think you were racist. I do now.


That is true, it is that every single time and I mean every time hot wings see's me on here he zero's in on me with whites this whites that and right away he called me racist so I just assumed race "whites" must have been mentioned. so your right I'm wrong race was not said.
 
2013-07-26 11:24:18 AM
No cookies, but I bet you can get a tossed salad if you ask nicely.
 
2013-07-26 11:27:54 AM

dsmith42: Droog8912: factoryconnection:
There's a very strong correlation with the rise and fall of violent crime on a time-delayed basis with the introduction and later banning of lead in gasoline in societies worldwide.  Lead exposure in children damages development of the pre-frontal cortex, which is important for making rational decisions in emotional situations.  For those with the right brain chemistry, that damage basically turns off their "morality" switch and leads to ape-sh*t crazy behavior in adolescence and young adulthood.

This match-up has been studied among countries that had different times for introduction and removal of leaded gas from society, and it has a very strong correlation.

Interesting theory.  Do you happen to know the name of the study?

Mother Jones article going into more detail about the data

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasol in e

Study from 2000 cited in article (pdf file) showing 90% correlation for 23 year lag in lead exposure in the USA

http://www.ricknevin.com/uploads/Nevin_2000_Env_Res_Author_Manuscrip t. pdf

2007 study by same author looking at whole world

http://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf


You can make the same correlation with legalized abortion. Surprise! When there are fewer poor people, crime tends to go down.
 
2013-07-26 11:28:34 AM
I see the whole prison for profit system as a terrible terrible idea. I'm also not the Devine from the article.
 
2013-07-26 11:30:43 AM

KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: KimNorth: Hermione_Granger: Lucky LaRue: Yes, you read that right:  Rich people have their own jails.

And they always have.

And Black people have always had their own "down low clubs." Don't see folks call out on that.

But since you mention it, and now that I've given it some thought, people DO call out folks on that. Oprah did a whole couple of shows on it. You don't get any more outed than being on Oprah.

She even did a show on the author of "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" and it turned out the guy she got her groove back with was actually gay and just using her to get to America.

Oprah put it out there, so case closed.

My original point was that when you read stories about jails, especially before modern times, notorious or well-to-do prisoners always got preferential treatment. And we've always known about the "country club" federal prisons and such.

I know I post a lot about racism, but I really wasn't talking about race in this instance. Just how the rich always seem to get over on the poor, even when they break the law.

/

Look I am throwing random stuff out there just like you and hot wings like you both do every time making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.

Race wasn't mentioned until you showed up. Though as you're a racist, you probably assume there are no wealthy black people.

WRONG LOSER! NICE TRY! BYE BYE


race or rape
 
2013-07-26 11:31:02 AM

brantgoose: Charles Dickens, whose Father was thrown into debtor's prison, documented the way private-for-profit prisons worked in his day for those with enough loot left over from their crimes to pay for the amenities and for those too poor to pay even modest debts, let alone the bills..

There was great inequality. Rich prisoners had well-appointed and comfortable apartments and were allowed to furnish them with their own furniture, books, etc. Some were allowed out on day leave. The poor were ill-fed, ill-treated and often naked. (You'd think this last problem would have vanished with the Victorian Dark Ages, but I've seen photographs from INS prisons where illegal immigrants are detained indefinitely--some of the prisoners were stark ballocks-naked because they didn't have anybody to provide them with clothes. THIS IS IN THE USA. NOW. Conditions were worse in the early 1800s in the UK, or perhaps not. Try walking around naked in the Arizona Sun for a few years without a trial or help from your friends and family, who may have no idea where you are.)

Dickens describes how considerately the paying customers were treated and how the celebity or high class inmates were sucked up to by their gaolers. They had every luxury of civilized life, like mafia dons in cartoons and sitcoms, while the common prisoners starved, died of easily preventable diseases, and were treated worse than lab rats today.

Thanks to Conservatives and Libertarians, everything old is new again. What's next? Allowing tourists to visit the insane asylums to mock and torment the loonies? Poke the looney with a stick, only $10. Throwing people into workhouses to be used as slave labour and feed a diet of thin gruel and unsafe water? Some people would rather die than go to the poorhouse. Well, let them die then and decrease the surplus population*.

Apparently all we learn from history is that the Faith-based Community learns nothing from history (or science, or art, or literature ... etc.) Truthiness is prefer ...


Isn't this a state owned facility?
 
2013-07-26 11:31:37 AM
The more I learn about jail/prison conditions across the country, I wish the U.S. would treat those locked up more like they do in Russia.
 
2013-07-26 11:33:13 AM
I like this for a headline of the year consideration.
 
2013-07-26 11:33:44 AM

KimNorth: Sin_City_Superhero: KimNorth: making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.

Nobody said "whites" except you. Everybody else in here is talking about "RICH PEOPLE". Not "white people". Race wasn't mentioned until you brought it up. I didn't think you were racist. I do now.

That is true, it is that every single time and I mean every time hot wings see's me on here he zero's in on me with whites this whites that and right away he called me racist so I just assumed race "whites" must have been mentioned. so your right I'm wrong race was not said.


Yes, it's my fault that you're a racist.
 
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