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2013-07-26 07:53:09 AM
Instead of giving her a diagnosis of PTSD and military sexual trauma, they diagnosed her with personality disorder.
"Because personality disorder is a pre-existing condition, that took away all my benefits from the VA," said Hinves
.

That's pretty farking low.
 
2013-07-26 08:07:46 AM
Happens sometimes. Depends who was doing the evaluations. But if a trend exists where sexual assault victims are being processed incorrectly, by all means, fix it.
 
2013-07-26 08:29:21 AM

miss diminutive: Instead of giving her a diagnosis of PTSD and military sexual trauma, they diagnosed her with personality disorder.
"Because personality disorder is a pre-existing condition, that took away all my benefits from the VA," said Hinves.

That's pretty farking low.


Agreed.  I'm also surprised to learn that "military sexual trauma" is its own thing, different than regular trauma.  Really speaks a lot about your organization when there's a special kind of rape named after it.
 
2013-07-26 08:32:30 AM
I wish this were surprising, but we seem to have a habit of not taking care of our vets.
 
2013-07-26 08:33:24 AM

miss diminutive: Instead of giving her a diagnosis of PTSD and military sexual trauma, they diagnosed her with personality disorder.
"Because personality disorder is a pre-existing condition, that took away all my benefits from the VA," said Hinves.

That's pretty farking low.


No, it's about par for the course. That's just how it goes in the service these days.
 
2013-07-26 08:37:25 AM

nekom: I wish this were surprising, but we seem to have a habit of not taking care of our vets.


We don't take care of our people. We expect them to fight our wars, put it all on the line for us...but we don't want to take care of them when they get hurt. We cut veteran support, throw them away when they are injured, laugh at them when they break. From the stress of combat or in this case are victims of a traumatic crime....we don't help veterans get over it. It's just cheaper to discard them.

Cost benefit analysis...ain't it great?
 
2013-07-26 08:46:32 AM
This whole line of bullshiat disgusts me. The military I served in didn't have this level of assault going on. What the hell happened?

I'm talking three decades ago., Women were serving in large numbers, flying aircraft,etc. Where does this regression come from?
 
2013-07-26 08:49:50 AM
Wow.

Just wow.
 
2013-07-26 08:50:23 AM

edmo: The military I served in didn't have this level of assault going on


Wasn't going on, wasn't be reported or was being more effectively covered up?
 
2013-07-26 08:50:40 AM
"Well, if you didn't want to get raped, maybe you shouldn't have been wearing your depression cut that short."

Seriously, the way we handle our military members is sick most of the time.  Anyone involved with this needs to get sacked.
 
2013-07-26 08:53:34 AM
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2013-07-26 08:53:50 AM

edmo: This whole line of bullshiat disgusts me. The military I served in didn't have this level of assault going on. What the hell happened?

I'm talking three decades ago., Women were serving in large numbers, flying aircraft,etc. Where does this regression come from?


Well, for one thing, we are allowing people to report it now, which is nice.
 
2013-07-26 08:54:05 AM
...so the rapist doesn't have a personality disorder?

Hm. Funny how that works.
 
2013-07-26 08:54:23 AM

megarian: Wow.

Just wow.


I have a cousin in the service, trust me it's entirely as bad as you think it could be
 
2013-07-26 08:56:22 AM

megarian: ...so the rapist doesn't have a personality disorder?

Hm. Funny how that works.


This.
 
2013-07-26 08:57:20 AM
To be fair, if you sign up willingly to join the military, you probably do have a mental disorder.
 
2013-07-26 08:57:48 AM
Yet tons of vets are getting large percentages of VA disability for bullshiat injuries and sleep problems.
 
2013-07-26 08:57:49 AM
This is false. The VA and the USARMY compensate for adjustment and personality disorders that are sever enough. In the past, adjustment disorder was not a ratable condition as far as the Army was concerned, but if it was sever enough, the VA would still compensate.

If it turns out that the condition existed prior to service but was Permanently Aggravated by Service, then the Army and the VA still compensate.
 
2013-07-26 08:58:21 AM
Why? Because of farking course they were.
 
2013-07-26 08:59:04 AM
It's just getting harder and harder to romanticize the U.S. Military.
 
2013-07-26 08:59:52 AM
She should sue the pants off them, but that would play right into their hands.

Talk about a rock and a hard place.
 
2013-07-26 09:00:03 AM
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: To be fair, if you sign up willingly to join the military, you probably do have a mental disorder.

I guess you protect yourself, huh?

1/10
 
2013-07-26 09:00:07 AM

edmo: This whole line of bullshiat disgusts me. The military I served in didn't have this level of assault going on. What the hell happened?



Two reasons:  The kids coming out of high school these days are mostly ADHD basket cases and morons.  And, our great and fabulous. so-called "Christian" nation has a very long, long history of treating women as sub-human chattel barely deserving of any rights whatsoever.
 
You give one of these under-developed retards a gun and a false sense of authority, and you really can't be surprised when they go all Biblical.
 
2013-07-26 09:00:09 AM
Raped, labelled as crazy and tossed out of your career without any means to support yourself. I can't see many women lining up to join the US military.
 
2013-07-26 09:00:10 AM
I hope that everyone who this happened to gets their case reviewed and they get some of that sweet sweet money
 
2013-07-26 09:01:56 AM

edmo: This whole line of bullshiat disgusts me. The military I served in didn't have this level of assault going on. What the hell happened?

I'm talking three decades ago., Women were serving in large numbers, flying aircraft,etc. Where does this regression come from?


Did you have your eyes closed the whole time?
 
2013-07-26 09:02:13 AM

megarian: ...so the rapist doesn't have a personality disorder?

Hm. Funny how that works.


No, it's a social disease:

24.media.tumblr.com

/diagnosed back the late 50s
 
2013-07-26 09:02:23 AM
Why should she get the bennies? She couldn't even defend herself, how was she going to defend our great, awesome country? Kidding.

I saw a Spec 4 in uniform get grabbed by a guy. She was walking in and he was walking out. Got his name and unit and reported it to the E-5. He said "What was she wearing?" "Fatigues". "Well, she must have said something to the guy." "You mean, something like "Grab my ass, stranger? Nope. Just walked past him." "Well," replied the sergeant, "She must have encouraged him. Anyhow, no damage done. Forget about it."

E-6 pretty much the same. The Captain "What did the squad leader (E-6) say? Then let's do that."

Oh and her attitude was "It could have been worse. And sometime it is"
 
2013-07-26 09:03:25 AM
Ok, so how exactly is getting raped a service-connected disability deserving VA benefits exactly?

Unless she was raped by the enemy or there's an official policy in the military promoting rape by coworkers, IT ISN'T!

Look, lady, sorry you got raped.  But the military isn't responsible for it.  Sue the rapist, or help the rest of us in pushing for single-payer healthcare for everyone.  But don't try to claim the military caused your rape, or resulting personality disorder.
 
2013-07-26 09:03:34 AM

Vodka Zombie: edmo: This whole line of bullshiat disgusts me. The military I served in didn't have this level of assault going on. What the hell happened?


Two reasons:  The kids coming out of high school these days are mostly ADHD basket cases and morons.  And, our great and fabulous. so-called "Christian" nation has a very long, long history of treating women as sub-human chattel barely deserving of any rights whatsoever.
 
You give one of these under-developed retards a gun and a false sense of authority, and you really can't be surprised when they go all Biblical.


Don't forget the crack babies. You got a lot of crack babies now entering adulthood.
 
2013-07-26 09:03:47 AM

Weaver95: nekom: I wish this were surprising, but we seem to have a habit of not taking care of our vets.

We don't take care of our people. We expect them to fight our wars, put it all on the line for us...but we don't want to take care of them when they get hurt. We cut veteran support, throw them away when they are injured, laugh at them when they break. From the stress of combat or in this case are victims of a traumatic crime....we don't help veterans get over it. It's just cheaper to discard them.

Cost benefit analysis...ain't it great?


Minor thread jack.

The recent sequestration hit me for awhile. 11 years ago when I signed my name on the dotted line, I was told my college would be paid for. Then they went all Darth Vader and altered the deal. Thankfully, the public outcry was enough for them to come to their senses.
 
2013-07-26 09:03:57 AM
"We didn't have rape in the 60's and 70's! Women were just willing to give it to us whenever we wanted it because that's what free love was all about."
 
2013-07-26 09:04:28 AM

ComicBookGuy: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: To be fair, if you sign up willingly to join the military, you probably do have a mental disorder.

I guess you protect yourself, huh?

1/10


No, but I do instill in the dumbest and most violent among us an imaginary sense of duty and honor that deludes them into taking pennies on the dollar to die for corporate interests in lands halfway around the world. So yeah.
 
2013-07-26 09:05:00 AM
This is really sad, and depressing. Good for her for fighting, and then staying to fight for others once she won back her own benefits. And - something I never thought I'd say with this congress - good for congress for fixing this.
 
2013-07-26 09:06:49 AM
I think the increase in these assaults can be attributed to a leadership vacuum that cuts straight through all the services and ranks.  When Obama came into office, a lot of the "oldschool" guys got the hell out, taking their experiences and moral standing with them. That was 5 years ago. That vacuum was filled with less and less leaders, and more and more "Managers".

Combining this with the human cost of a decade of war, and the effects it has on the psyche of the soldiers, sailors, and airmen involved, without any guidance to put things in perspective, and you start getting these dehumanizing effects like rape.

The "Mental Health" office in the military is a farking joke. That is where you go to get kicked out. (If you disagree, feel free to write a detailed response and then go fark yourself) Out of my troops that have gone to mental health, 90% have not been deemed eligible for reenlistment.

The rape numbers are also going up because victims are encouraged to come forward, which increases reporting, and the definition of rape is getting broader. (Rightfully so)
 
2013-07-26 09:06:56 AM

DarkVader: Ok, so how exactly is getting raped a service-connected disability deserving VA benefits exactly?

Unless she was raped by the enemy or there's an official policy in the military promoting rape by coworkers, IT ISN'T!

Look, lady, sorry you got raped.  But the military isn't responsible for it.  Sue the rapist, or help the rest of us in pushing for single-payer healthcare for everyone.  But don't try to claim the military caused your rape, or resulting personality disorder.


So if you got accidentally shot by a fellow service member on the target range you don't deserve benefits either?
 
2013-07-26 09:08:02 AM

ongbok: Vodka Zombie: edmo: This whole line of bullshiat disgusts me. The military I served in didn't have this level of assault going on. What the hell happened?


Two reasons:  The kids coming out of high school these days are mostly ADHD basket cases and morons.  And, our great and fabulous. so-called "Christian" nation has a very long, long history of treating women as sub-human chattel barely deserving of any rights whatsoever.
 
You give one of these under-developed retards a gun and a false sense of authority, and you really can't be surprised when they go all Biblical.

Don't forget the crack babies. You got a lot of crack babies now entering adulthood.


Naah...

The point I'm trying to make is that our kids are coming out of a severely crippled educational system with little to no skills to help them navigate society and the world.  Expecting them to treat one another with respect is a tall order.
 
2013-07-26 09:10:04 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: To be fair, if you sign up willingly to join the military, you probably do have a mental disorder.


Like being poor and seeing the GI Bill as the only way to get a decent education, home loan or any of the other benefits?
 
2013-07-26 09:10:41 AM

DesktopHippie: Raped, labelled as crazy and tossed out of your career without any means to support yourself. I can't see many women lining up to join the US military.


I suspect this may be the plan.
 
2013-07-26 09:11:51 AM

facisto: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: To be fair, if you sign up willingly to join the military, you probably do have a mental disorder.

Like being poor and seeing the GI Bill as the only way to get a decent education, home loan or any of the other benefits?


I've been poor and unemployed. I never thought about killing people for money though.
 
2013-07-26 09:15:00 AM
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2013-07-26 09:17:06 AM

Tat'dGreaser: "We didn't have rape in the 60's and 70's! Women were just willing to give it to us whenever we wanted it because that's what free love was all about."


Watch out when it's shore leave, they tend to find lots of that 'free' love
 
2013-07-26 09:17:08 AM

Aristocles: This is false. The VA and the USARMY compensate for adjustment and personality disorders that are sever enough. In the past, adjustment disorder was not a ratable condition as far as the Army was concerned, but if it was sever enough, the VA would still compensate.

If it turns out that the condition existed prior to service but was Permanently Aggravated by Service, then the Army and the VA still compensate.


So why did the recent defense bill set aside money for people to go through past papers and reinvestigate these claims and provide proper benefits for those denied?
 
2013-07-26 09:17:09 AM

Yogimus: I think the increase in these assaults can be attributed to a leadership vacuum that cuts straight through all the services and ranks.  When Obama came into office, a lot of the "oldschool" guys got the hell out, taking their experiences and moral standing with them. That was 5 years ago. That vacuum was filled with less and less leaders, and more and more "Managers".

Combining this with the human cost of a decade of war, and the effects it has on the psyche of the soldiers, sailors, and airmen involved, without any guidance to put things in perspective, and you start getting these dehumanizing effects like rape.

The "Mental Health" office in the military is a farking joke. That is where you go to get kicked out. (If you disagree, feel free to write a detailed response and then go fark yourself) Out of my troops that have gone to mental health, 90% have not been deemed eligible for reenlistment.

The rape numbers are also going up because victims are encouraged to come forward, which increases reporting, and the definition of rape is getting broader. (Rightfully so)


Here's the problem. Those old school guys may have had more moral standing, but that's only because women were nowhere near as prevalent in the military when they were coming up through the ranks. Apples and Oranges.
 
2013-07-26 09:17:50 AM

milowitz: Yet tons of vets are getting large percentages of VA disability for bullshiat injuries and sleep problems.


What kind of bullshiat injuries are you talking about?
 
2013-07-26 09:18:27 AM

dionysusaur: DesktopHippie: Raped, labelled as crazy and tossed out of your career without any means to support yourself. I can't see many women lining up to join the US military.

I suspect this may be the plan.


Nah - they want women there they just want to be able to grope and rape them without anyone giving a shiat.
 
2013-07-26 09:18:55 AM

skozlaw: edmo: The military I served in didn't have this level of assault going on

Wasn't going on, wasn't be reported or was being more effectively covered up?


Actually sexual assault hasn't fine up. The numbers are massively flawed. They send these surveys out only to women, and only to a small amount of women, and it's optional to respond. You can probably figure out why this would jack up the statistics. A good analogy was the phone survey taken of presidential candidates and only calling 1000 retired people in Florida then saying the republican candidate is going to take 80% of the national vote. The study the military did us extremely flawed
 
2013-07-26 09:19:34 AM

ComicBookGuy: I guess you protect yourself, huh?


Protect myself from what? The single biggest threat to my life from foreign agents is in the form of people who are pissed off at me because of the military mucking around in their business in the first place....

And I hate to break it to you, but the military has been seeking out the dregs of society for the last decade or so because otherwise they'd come up short what with being stretched across two different land wars in Asia. Career military have been biatching about the massively declining quality of recruits they're accepting for years now.
 
2013-07-26 09:20:12 AM
Personality disorder as a rubber stamp to indemnify the military is nothing new.
It's shiatty.
But it's nothing new.
 
2013-07-26 09:20:42 AM

facisto: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: To be fair, if you sign up willingly to join the military, you probably do have a mental disorder.

Like being poor and seeing the GI Bill as the only way to get a decent education, home loan or any of the other benefits?


My kid brother's in the marines & he didn't join for any of those reasons; not poor, already knows everything, and perfectly content to live at home for the rest of his life. I suspect he's fairly representative of the material.
 
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