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(Fox News)   Juror B-29 apologizes for the verdict and thinks that Zimmerman got away with murder. That's rich coming from someone who dropped two atomic bombs   (foxnews.com) divider line 869
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2013-07-26 12:19:25 AM  
That headline is so GAY!

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2013-07-26 01:37:15 AM  
FTFA:  Juror B29 told Robin Roberts in an interview made public Thursday that she favored convicting Zimmerman of second-degree murder when deliberations began. But by the second day of deliberating, she realized there wasn't enough proof to convict Zimmerman of a crime.

That's really the long and short of it.  What he did probably should have been a crime, but according to the law, it wasn't, so the jury made the right decision.  Now, if there's enough pressure to actually change the law so that someone who initiates (or furthers an encounter after having the change to retreat) can't use self defense as a defense, I'd be all for it, but let's not biatch about an unfair Zimmerman verdict, because the verdict was correct for what the law is.
 
2013-07-26 07:03:42 AM  
This is why we don't have jury's made of one, not everyone is going to agree. I do find it curious  how she says she knew he was guilty even though there was no evidence to support it.
 
2013-07-26 07:06:25 AM  
This, and Martin's father admitting guilt over Trayvon's death. It's all too much for my gentle heart to take.

RIP, Trayvon. In death, I hope you find the peace you never found in life.
 
2013-07-26 07:07:49 AM  
It's my opinion that a crime was committed, but the incompetent prosecution charged the wrong statute. They should have gone with reckless endangerment or similar. Zimmerman's no murderer, but when he got out of the car with a gun, he should have been able to anticipate that chasing a criminal with a gun might reasonably result in someone's death.

Let the police do police work.
 
2013-07-26 07:08:43 AM  
Well good for you lady
 
2013-07-26 07:09:31 AM  

ReapTheChaos: This is why we don't have jury's made of one, not everyone is going to agree. I do find it curious  how she says she knew he was guilty even though there was no evidence to support it.


Not guilty verdicts makes Jesus cry.

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2013-07-26 07:10:23 AM  
"Now, if there's enough pressure to actually change the law so that someone who initiates (or furthers an encounter after having the change to retreat) can't use self defense as a defense, I'd be all for it"

Would that be after one got their nose broke and head lacerated?
 
2013-07-26 07:10:42 AM  
She should shut her mouth.  Her opportunity to affect this case is over.  If she truly believed that she should have fought for and held out for something different in the jury room during deliberations.
 
2013-07-26 07:10:49 AM  
Zimmerman and OJ are both innocent. DEAL WITH IT.
 
2013-07-26 07:12:32 AM  
So, he's guilty in her mind, even though there's no evidence to support him being guilty..... but he's still guilty in her mind?

How is that rational thinking?
/Oh man this is gonna fuel the Fark J4T crowd!
//Also, drink!
 
2013-07-26 07:13:10 AM  

Phil McKraken: It's my opinion that a crime was committed, but the incompetent prosecution charged the wrong statute. They should have gone with reckless endangerment or similar. Zimmerman's no murderer, but when he got out of the car with a gun, he should have been able to anticipate that chasing a criminal with a gun might reasonably result in someone's death.

Let the police do police work.


I guess I missed something. What crime did Trayvon commit?
 
2013-07-26 07:15:02 AM  
"as much as we tried to convict him"....seriously? She apparently doesn't grasp how the legal system works with innocent until proven guilty. Also, who did she let down? The morons who cannot accept the verdict out throwing their little pity party rallies? She owes nothing to them.
 
2013-07-26 07:15:11 AM  

Phil McKraken: It's my opinion that a crime was committed, but the incompetent prosecution charged the wrong statute. They should have gone with reckless endangerment or similar. Zimmerman's no murderer, but when he got out of the car with a gun, he should have been able to anticipate that chasing a criminal with a gun might reasonably result in someone's death.

Let the police do police work.


It's not illegal to carry a gun. It's also not illegal to follow someone. The only thing illegal would be if Zimmerman attacked Martin 1st and we don't know that.

Private detectives follow people everyday, some also  carry guns. If they are tailing someone and the subject attacks them do they not have a right to defend themselves?
 
2013-07-26 07:16:09 AM  

Kurmudgeon: "Now, if there's enough pressure to actually change the law so that someone who initiates (or furthers an encounter after having the change to retreat) can't use self defense as a defense, I'd be all for it"

Would that be after one got their nose broke and head lacerated?


not to mention two black eyes and a broken occipital bone...
 
2013-07-26 07:17:12 AM  
Good question, Maturin.
 
2013-07-26 07:17:43 AM  

Maturin: Phil McKraken: It's my opinion that a crime was committed, but the incompetent prosecution charged the wrong statute. They should have gone with reckless endangerment or similar. Zimmerman's no murderer, but when he got out of the car with a gun, he should have been able to anticipate that chasing a criminal with a gun might reasonably result in someone's death.

Let the police do police work.

I guess I missed something. What crime did Trayvon commit?


Nothing that we know of when Zimmerman got out to question him. Assault and attempted murder when he tried to kill zimmerman.
 
2013-07-26 07:18:48 AM  
Headline's finish really got me laughing. Well done submitter.
 
2013-07-26 07:19:39 AM  

Maturin: Phil McKraken: It's my opinion that a crime was committed, but the incompetent prosecution charged the wrong statute. They should have gone with reckless endangerment or similar. Zimmerman's no murderer, but when he got out of the car with a gun, he should have been able to anticipate that chasing a criminal with a gun might reasonably result in someone's death.

Let the police do police work.

I guess I missed something. What crime did Trayvon commit?


Felony Assault - Broke Zimmerman's nose, two black eyes, broken occipital bone, scrapes to the back of GZ's head. TM knocked GZ down and started beating him.

attempted murder - was reaching for GZ's gun saying "You going to die tonight MFer.."
 
2013-07-26 07:19:46 AM  

Maturin: Phil McKraken: It's my opinion that a crime was committed, but the incompetent prosecution charged the wrong statute. They should have gone with reckless endangerment or similar. Zimmerman's no murderer, but when he got out of the car with a gun, he should have been able to anticipate that chasing a criminal with a gun might reasonably result in someone's death.

Let the police do police work.

I guess I missed something. What crime did Trayvon commit?


Attempted murder, aggravated assault and aggravated battery. I'm sure they could tack on more minor charges as well.
 
2013-07-26 07:22:00 AM  
 
2013-07-26 07:22:15 AM  
Listen, biatch, you had your opportunity to vote however you wanted. You choose to vote not guilty. You are personally responsible for the verdict. You decided. If you've got buyers remorse now, it's too damn bad. All your attention whoring is doing now is stoking the flames of outrage from the media.

Shut. The. Fark. Up.
 
2013-07-26 07:22:40 AM  

jmr61: She should shut her mouth.  Her opportunity to affect this case is over.  If she truly believed that she should have fought for and held out for something different in the jury room during deliberations.


This.
 
2013-07-26 07:22:46 AM  
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2013-07-26 07:22:52 AM  
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Off with their heads!
 
2013-07-26 07:23:44 AM  
This is a case of someone who compassionately feels that a crime was committed. Although, she admits, that the laws do not agree.

So she should shut up and let this person who didn't commit a crime get one with his life.

Maybe Trayvon should have used his words and not his fists, maybe he'd still be alive.
 
2013-07-26 07:23:49 AM  
I think he got away with racial profiling which led to manslaughter and several charges of criminal recklessness. But I also think that the prosecutor should be disbarred, publicly shamed, and beaten with a sock full of nickels for trying to be Jack McCoy.
 
2013-07-26 07:24:11 AM  
So you think Zim did something wrong but there was no evidence of it? Well guys, looks like you just found a new honorary captain of Team Trayvon.
 
2013-07-26 07:24:29 AM  
yay! it's this thread again!
 
2013-07-26 07:25:00 AM  

Rattrap007: Kurmudgeon: "Now, if there's enough pressure to actually change the law so that someone who initiates (or furthers an encounter after having the change to retreat) can't use self defense as a defense, I'd be all for it"

Would that be after one got their nose broke and head lacerated?

not to mention two black eyes and a broken occipital bone...


Something Zimmerman could have easily avoided if he hadn't created the situation in the first place by stalking someone who was doing nothing wrong and minding their own business.
 
2013-07-26 07:25:18 AM  

ChaosStar: Maturin: Phil McKraken: It's my opinion that a crime was committed, but the incompetent prosecution charged the wrong statute. They should have gone with reckless endangerment or similar. Zimmerman's no murderer, but when he got out of the car with a gun, he should have been able to anticipate that chasing a criminal with a gun might reasonably result in someone's death.

Let the police do police work.

I guess I missed something. What crime did Trayvon commit?

Attempted murder, aggravated assault and aggravated battery. I'm sure they could tack on more minor charges as well.


No, he was standing his ground. Zimmerman kept moving his.
 
2013-07-26 07:25:50 AM  

Phil McKraken: It's my opinion that a crime was committed, but the incompetent prosecution charged the wrong statute. They should have gone with reckless endangerment or similar. Zimmerman's no murderer, but when he got out of the car with a gun, he should have been able to anticipate that chasing a criminal with a gun might reasonably result in someone's death.

Let the police do police work.


Yes. Let the police do the police work, not overzealous neighborhood watchmen. Not that the police are a ton better at it.

I alone am best: Maturin: Phil McKraken: It's my opinion that a crime was committed, but the incompetent prosecution charged the wrong statute. They should have gone with reckless endangerment or similar. Zimmerman's no murderer, but when he got out of the car with a gun, he should have been able to anticipate that chasing a criminal with a gun might reasonably result in someone's death.

Let the police do police work.

I guess I missed something. What crime did Trayvon commit?

Nothing that we know of when Zimmerman got out to question him. Assault and attempted murder when he tried to kill zimmerman.


You realize that there isn't actually evidence for that, right? The problem with the trial was that despite the holes in Zimmerman's story, the lack of evidence disallowed a conviction. That, and an incredibly incompetent prosecution team, though I think even a team that  was smarter than your average poodle would probably not have been able to get a conviction due to, again, lack of physical evidence.

What  isknown is that Zimmerman followed Trayvon, got in a fight with him, got a few scratches (not the injuries the moron earlier mentioned), some of them deep, and shot him. Beyond that, literally every other piece of the trial was "he said she said," but the defense was deplorable in basically making Trayvon guilty of being black to try to defend Zimmerman, which was both evil and unnecessary.
 
2013-07-26 07:27:57 AM  

NutWrench: Something Zimmerman could have easily avoided if he hadn't created the situation in the first place by stalking someone who was doing nothing wrong and minding their own business.


Yes, casing houses is perfectly legal and should be ignored by anybody who observes somebody doing it.
 
2013-07-26 07:31:31 AM  

Leishu: What  isknown is that Zimmerman followed Trayvon, got in a fight with him, got a few scratches


Zim exited his vehicle and briefly went in the same direction Trayvon did.
Zim only got in a fight because Trayvon returned to the area, instead of staying home.
Zim had a broken nose, head lacerations, deep bruise on his lower back and numerous scratches

Team Trayvon still can't accept the basic facts of the case I see.
 
2013-07-26 07:31:40 AM  

NutWrench: Rattrap007: Kurmudgeon: "Now, if there's enough pressure to actually change the law so that someone who initiates (or furthers an encounter after having the change to retreat) can't use self defense as a defense, I'd be all for it"

Would that be after one got their nose broke and head lacerated?

not to mention two black eyes and a broken occipital bone...

Something Zimmerman could have easily avoided if he hadn't created the situation in the first place by stalking someone who was doing nothing wrong and minding their own business.


Using a sidewalk is not considered "stalking" in most areas of the world.
 
2013-07-26 07:31:50 AM  

ReapTheChaos: This is why we don't have jury's made of one, not everyone is going to agree. I do find it curious  how she says she knew he was guilty even though there was no evidence to support it.


this is why we have mostly white if not entirely white juries. it's also why we have a higher conviction rate of blacks than white. that and the fact that they can't afford defense attorneys that charge millions.
 
2013-07-26 07:33:04 AM  

Hobodeluxe: this is why we have mostly white if not entirely white juries. it's also why we have a higher conviction rate of blacks than white. that and the fact that they can't afford defense attorneys that charge millions.


I don't know, when I went in for jury duty all the white people figured out how to get out of it
 
2013-07-26 07:33:08 AM  

internut scholar: Phil McKraken: It's my opinion that a crime was committed, but the incompetent prosecution charged the wrong statute. They should have gone with reckless endangerment or similar. Zimmerman's no murderer, but when he got out of the car with a gun, he should have been able to anticipate that chasing a criminal with a gun might reasonably result in someone's death.

Let the police do police work.

It's not illegal to carry a gun. It's also not illegal to follow someone. The only thing illegal would be if Zimmerman attacked Martin 1st and we don't know that.

Private detectives follow people everyday, some also  carry guns. If they are tailing someone and the subject attacks them do they not have a right to defend themselves?


If some guy follows me in a car for no justifiable reason, then gets out of that car and COTINUES TO FOLLOW ME, do I have no right to confront that guy?  How do you think the public would have reacted if the kid had been white and Zimmerman was black?  Nothing different there.  Just an eager beaver protecting his neighborhood.  Or is there some other difference here?  Hm.
 
2013-07-26 07:33:45 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: because the verdict was correct for what the law is.


Lincoln once said something like the best way to repeal an unjust law is to enforce it equally. The prosecutor should basically refuse to bring any murder case without independent eyewitnesses where self-defense is claimed at this point. Once more than a few brown people walk on that, Floridians will be clamoring for a change.
 
GBB
2013-07-26 07:33:53 AM  
Not everything that is "wrong" is illegal.
Example: CEO pay.
discuss.
 
2013-07-26 07:34:34 AM  
Nobody wins in this story.  Whichever way you look at it, there was no need for Trayvon to die, be it Zimmerman starting a confrontation, or Trayvon swinging first.  Had either side applied some brainpower rather than thinking with violence, this would have never happened.

I kinda feel bad for Zimmerman, too.  No matter how justified, taking a life farks with your head.  He'll have to live with that for the rest of his life.

The media really needs to lay off it.  Agree or not, the justice system worked.  I'd much rather have someone you were "sure" get off, than deal with "guilty until proven innocent".
 
2013-07-26 07:36:14 AM  

flamingboard: ChaosStar: Maturin: Phil McKraken: It's my opinion that a crime was committed, but the incompetent prosecution charged the wrong statute. They should have gone with reckless endangerment or similar. Zimmerman's no murderer, but when he got out of the car with a gun, he should have been able to anticipate that chasing a criminal with a gun might reasonably result in someone's death.

Let the police do police work.

I guess I missed something. What crime did Trayvon commit?

Attempted murder, aggravated assault and aggravated battery. I'm sure they could tack on more minor charges as well.

No, he was standing his ground. Zimmerman kept moving his.


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2013-07-26 07:36:48 AM  
When will juries come to understand that there are times you convict because it's "the right thing to do"?
 
2013-07-26 07:36:54 AM  
She just lookin' to git paid.
 
2013-07-26 07:37:03 AM  

abhorrent1: He was such a lovely child.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=608832945815209


VERY nice. I'd like to know why the media was so intent on crucifying George Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-26 07:37:56 AM  

Leishu: You realize that there isn't actually evidence for that, right? The problem with the trial was that despite the holes in Zimmerman's story, the lack of evidence disallowed a conviction. That, and an incredibly incompetent prosecution team, though I think even a team that was smarter than your average poodle would probably not have been able to get a conviction due to, again, lack of physical evidence.

What isknown is that Zimmerman followed Trayvon, got in a fight with him, got a few scratches (not the injuries the moron earlier mentioned), some of them deep, and shot him. Beyond that, literally every other piece of the trial was "he said she said," but the defense was deplorable in basically making Trayvon guilty of being black to try to defend Zimmerman, which was both evil and unnecessary.


Wanna know how I know you didn't watch the trial?
 
2013-07-26 07:38:07 AM  
maybe if Trayvon was eating a box of Saltine crackers instead of Skittles he wouldn't have gotten beat.
 
2013-07-26 07:38:22 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Leishu: What  isknown is that Zimmerman followed Trayvon, got in a fight with him, got a few scratches

Zim exited his vehicle and briefly went in the same direction Trayvon did.
Zim only got in a fight because Trayvon returned to the area, instead of staying home.
Zim had a broken nose, head lacerations, deep bruise on his lower back and numerous scratches

Team Trayvon still can't accept the basic facts of the case I see.


Zimmerman had "A broken nose and two small cuts on the back of his head," injuries described by an expert witness (read, smarter and more apprised of the situation than, you know, you) as "insiginificant."

That's the Medical Examiner's statement. Want to try again, using facts instead of idiocy?

http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-trial-judge-tells-jury-ignore-detect iv es-description-163625943.html
 
2013-07-26 07:38:26 AM  

Cold_Sassy: abhorrent1: He was such a lovely child.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=608832945815209

VERY nice. I'd like to know why the media was so intent on crucifying George Zimmerman.


Because he is the one on trial. Why is this video so intent on crucifying Trayvon Martin?
 
2013-07-26 07:38:36 AM  

Wodheila: When will juries come to understand that there are times you convict because it's "the right thing to do"?


I hope you never get on a jury.
 
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