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2013-07-26 11:53:51 AM  
 
2013-07-26 12:01:46 PM  
So, how's the south pole coming along?
 
2013-07-26 12:04:06 PM  

WippitGuud: tenpoundsofcheese: whoa, it's like it is 1962 again before we had any climate change.

climate change is real
the climate is not the same all the time.
it changes over periods of time.

So wait...

It was frozen for 50 million years
It thawed for the first time in 1962


I don't know that 1962 was the first time.
Also, that was in the middle of the COLD war so for it to have thawed then the climate must have been really much warmer than it is now.


And now it is thawing every year, and staying ice free for longer each year.

Uh....

... where was I going with this?
 
2013-07-26 12:04:49 PM  

netgamer7k: So, how's the south pole coming along?


Right now, I assume dark and frozen, and in spots covered with a bunch of male emperor penguins.
 
2013-07-26 12:06:13 PM  

RyanAntiHero: Climate change exists. It always has. Since the beginning of time. Do we have an effect on it? Most likely. Are we the entire cause of it? Most certainly not. Everyone stop arguing, neither side is 100% right.


One other question, has anyone demonstrated that a change in the climate is actually bad on an overall basis?  Are we currently at the optimal climate for the human race and any change is bad?
 
2013-07-26 12:07:56 PM  
tenpoundsofcheese:
I don't know that 1962 was the first time.
Also, that was in the middle of the COLD war so for it to have thawed then the climate must have been really much warmer than it is now.


Wait... Cold war?
So, are those US or Russian subs?

Cause if they're US, the temperature would have been in Fahrenheit, so it would've seemed warmer.
 
2013-07-26 12:09:31 PM  

Mike_LowELL: miss diminutive: What this thread needs is some obnoxious, ill-informed, green text to put this whole thing into perspective.

> thinks global warming exists
> complains about ill-informed people


You're going to need a lot more green if you want to identify everyone on Fark who believes that global warming exists.

I believe it and I just don't give a shiat. Rich people are the only ones who can afford to build 6 inches above the floodplain on the coast. Poor people live inland or rent near the coast and just won't renew their leases.

People can deny it right up until they're precious million-dollar homes are permanently flooded.
 
2013-07-26 12:09:42 PM  

miss diminutive: What this thread needs is some obnoxious, ill-informed, green text to put this whole thing into perspective.


Right you are  Sorry to post  My views are not PC (yes, that's Antarctic) because you know, Inclusive
 
2013-07-26 12:13:04 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: RyanAntiHero: Climate change exists. It always has. Since the beginning of time. Do we have an effect on it? Most likely. Are we the entire cause of it? Most certainly not. Everyone stop arguing, neither side is 100% right.

One other question, has anyone demonstrated that a change in the climate is actually bad on an overall basis?  Are we currently at the optimal climate for the human race and any change is bad?


I like it warmer.
But I'm in Canada. Winter sucks.
 
2013-07-26 12:17:07 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: RyanAntiHero: Climate change exists. It always has. Since the beginning of time. Do we have an effect on it? Most likely. Are we the entire cause of it? Most certainly not. Everyone stop arguing, neither side is 100% right.

One other question, has anyone demonstrated that a change in the climate is actually bad on an overall basis?  Are we currently at the optimal climate for the human race and any change is bad?

You're right, these are good changes. Idiot.
http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/03/21/the-seven-states-run nin g-out-of-water/

/I know you're a troll
// Still an idiot.
 
2013-07-26 12:18:44 PM  
i.imgur.com
Watch  http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/  for daily updates of the Arctic sea ice extent. Or if you prefer raw data, there are near-real-time satellite images at http://lance-modis.eosdis.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/imagery/realtime.cgi .
 
2013-07-26 12:19:44 PM  
Pangea:People can deny it right up until they're precious million-dollar homes are permanently flooded.

There are probably tens of millions of poor people in other countries that are poor and live near the coast. I was on a roll though.
 
2013-07-26 12:20:43 PM  
i don't see how you could think this is doing anything to the earth
www.personal.psu.edu
 
2013-07-26 12:23:11 PM  

pacified: i don't see how you could think this is doing anything to the earth
[www.personal.psu.edu image 400x224]


It's not. The earth is just fine. The hairless apes on it are going to have a bad time.
 
2013-07-26 12:26:01 PM  

pacified: i don't see how you could think this is doing anything to the earth
[www.personal.psu.edu image 400x224]


Silly Wabbit.  Smog can't melt ice!!!!
Right??
 
2013-07-26 12:30:03 PM  

miss diminutive: I have the power to summon green text? Awesome.


You are blessed with the power of 4chan, my good ma'am.  Use this power wisely, and only when you are in mortal danger.

star_topology: The best part about this, is that I have you favorited in the same green color.


I was hoping more people would catch on to the joke, but I guess actually a sign of good health that they didn't.

Pangea: People can deny it right up until they're precious million-dollar homes are permanently flooded.


> Complains people are delusional
> Leans liberal
 
2013-07-26 12:45:02 PM  

WippitGuud: netgamer7k: So, how's the south pole coming along?

Right now, I assume dark and frozen, and in spots covered with a bunch of male emperor penguins.


Never, ever, drop your egg.
 
2013-07-26 01:01:13 PM  
Pangea: People can deny it right up until they're precious million-dollar homes are permanently flooded.

> Complains people are delusional
> Leans liberal


Because conservatives are the pinnacle of lucid thought.

/idiot
 
2013-07-26 01:24:23 PM  
How is this related to TimeCube?
 
2013-07-26 01:27:11 PM  
I'll be dead before things start getting really bad. Your poor kids though...
 
2013-07-26 01:51:04 PM  

netgamer7k: So, how's the south pole coming along?


i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-07-26 01:51:44 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Valiente: miss diminutive: Because People in power are Stupid: miss diminutive: What this thread needs is some obnoxious, ill-informed, green text to put this whole thing into perspective.

If that's the north pole then where is the hole?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x350]

Hollow earther (as climate change denial) is the best I could come up with on short notice.

I honestly had never heard of the hollow Earth theory before. Probably because it's batshiat insane, but still...I learned something new today.

You know who else believed in the hollow Earth theory?

Idiots.

But they did provide out-of-context quotations from polar explorers to prove their points.
You know who else used out-of-context quotations?


Any Atheist or pagan who tried to quote the Bible EVER.
 
2013-07-26 02:00:59 PM  

washington-babylon: TheMysteriousStranger: Valiente: miss diminutive: Because People in power are Stupid: miss diminutive: What this thread needs is some obnoxious, ill-informed, green text to put this whole thing into perspective.

If that's the north pole then where is the hole?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x350]

Hollow earther (as climate change denial) is the best I could come up with on short notice.

I honestly had never heard of the hollow Earth theory before. Probably because it's batshiat insane, but still...I learned something new today.

You know who else believed in the hollow Earth theory?

Idiots.

But they did provide out-of-context quotations from polar explorers to prove their points.
You know who else used out-of-context quotations?

Any Atheist or pagan who tried to quote the Bible EVER.


I'd get off that pulpit if I were you. Seems even christians can't seem to get their story straight. Remind me, how many different flavors are there now?
 
2013-07-26 02:15:16 PM  

Kevin72: I do not deny this global warming. I do not deny too much carbon dioxide is bad and tree deforestation is worse.

My issue is with the greenhouse gas theory. It does not explain global warming on other planets. Global warming could also be caused by changes in the sun's magnetosphere becoming weaker, the sun becoming quadripolar, and other cosmic forces that we earthlycentric people are not fully knowledgeable of.

Galileo seeing "ears around Saturn" and moons belonging to Jupiter was a mere 400 years ago, but back then they were convinced that the earth was the center and end all and be all of the universe and put Galileo on trial for saying that the earth moved.


Let's assume, for the sake of argument, you're right. That's like someone who's two hundred pounds overweight because they have a feeding fetish saying they don't know why they're fat because we don't know how many people have hypothyroidism (which, apparently, is really common and underdiagnosed). That may be the case, but  you know why you're personally fat, and you know how to fix it.

At this stage, it doesn't matter how other planets warm\cool. What matters is that  our planet is being warmed unduly by a  specific cause. If there's another factor, we'll find it and deal with it later, but there's no excuse for ignoring the factors we  do know about.
 
2013-07-26 02:30:30 PM  
The polar bears are brown! What did you do?!
 
2013-07-26 02:57:44 PM  

ShamanGator: Global warming is nothing new. At one time Minnesota & the Dakota were a tropical forest, and other times covered in a mile thick ice sheet. The science guys have geologic proof of both. But the greenhouse gas effect is nothing more than man's arrogance, "we are so powerful we can change climate". Sorry science guys, the earth & sun are way better at climate change than you can ever hope to be.

And to the folks in Minn & the Dakotas, get ready for much better temps. The days of your pee freezing before it hits the ground are nearly over.


CFCs were heating the earth at an increasing rate until 1998 when they were almost outright banned, they're decaying now and we'll be starting to cool soon.

Man DID cause "global warming" but we already fixed it.
 
2013-07-26 03:01:06 PM  

PsiChick: Kevin72: I do not deny this global warming. I do not deny too much carbon dioxide is bad and tree deforestation is worse.

My issue is with the greenhouse gas theory. It does not explain global warming on other planets. Global warming could also be caused by changes in the sun's magnetosphere becoming weaker, the sun becoming quadripolar, and other cosmic forces that we earthlycentric people are not fully knowledgeable of.

Galileo seeing "ears around Saturn" and moons belonging to Jupiter was a mere 400 years ago, but back then they were convinced that the earth was the center and end all and be all of the universe and put Galileo on trial for saying that the earth moved.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, you're right. That's like someone who's two hundred pounds overweight because they have a feeding fetish saying they don't know why they're fat because we don't know how many people have hypothyroidism (which, apparently, is really common and underdiagnosed). That may be the case, but  you know why you're personally fat, and you know how to fix it.

At this stage, it doesn't matter how other planets warm\cool. What matters is that  our planet is being warmed unduly by a  specific cause. If there's another factor, we'll find it and deal with it later, but there's no excuse for ignoring the factors we  do know about.


What specific cause are you referring to?
How much of the warming (it is warming now right, not climate change) is due to that cause?
Are we at the optimal climate right now or would we be better off with more warming or more cooling?  What is the ideal climate?
 
2013-07-26 03:07:33 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: PsiChick: Kevin72: I do not deny this global warming. I do not deny too much carbon dioxide is bad and tree deforestation is worse.

My issue is with the greenhouse gas theory. It does not explain global warming on other planets. Global warming could also be caused by changes in the sun's magnetosphere becoming weaker, the sun becoming quadripolar, and other cosmic forces that we earthlycentric people are not fully knowledgeable of.

Galileo seeing "ears around Saturn" and moons belonging to Jupiter was a mere 400 years ago, but back then they were convinced that the earth was the center and end all and be all of the universe and put Galileo on trial for saying that the earth moved.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, you're right. That's like someone who's two hundred pounds overweight because they have a feeding fetish saying they don't know why they're fat because we don't know how many people have hypothyroidism (which, apparently, is really common and underdiagnosed). That may be the case, but  you know why you're personally fat, and you know how to fix it.

At this stage, it doesn't matter how other planets warm\cool. What matters is that  our planet is being warmed unduly by a  specific cause. If there's another factor, we'll find it and deal with it later, but there's no excuse for ignoring the factors we  do know about.

What specific cause are you referring to?
How much of the warming (it is warming now right, not climate change) is due to that cause?
Are we at the optimal climate right now or would we be better off with more warming or more cooling?  What is the ideal climate?


How about one where we don't have most of our southern and western states fighting over water? Is that good for ya?

/back under your bridge
//can you say desertification?
 
2013-07-26 03:23:34 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: At this stage, it doesn't matter how other planets warm\cool. What matters is that  our planet is being warmed unduly by a  specific cause. If there's another factor, we'll find it and deal with it later, but there's no excuse for ignoring the factors we  do know about.

What specific cause are you referring to?
How much of the warming (it is warming now right, not climate change) is due to that cause?
Are we at the optimal climate right now or would we be better off with more warming or more cooling?  What is the ideal climate?


...I'm so sorry, I keep forgetting not every high school teaches basic science like climate change. Let me explain it for you (feel free to go Google once I've given you the basics).

We're pumping a  lot of various chemicals into the atmosphere. One of them, carbon dioxide, is thicker than other molecules (refresher: not all molecules are the same size), and tends to act like a layer of insulation. Well, over the years we've put so much of that in the atmosphere that we've basically turned Earth into a beer cooler. Now, normally Earth follows a cycle of warming and cooling (the Ice Ages, for example, were cooling periods), and there's jack shiat we can do about that. However, this isn't just a cycle of warming--this is  too hot for a cycle. Think of it like Earth having bipolar. Normally, Earth's 'mania', or hot phase, is just running around giggling in circles for an hour. Well, now Earth's hallucinating.

What that means is that there will be a fark-ton of natural disasters, along the lines of weather patterns changing (the recent spate of tornados had some  weird-ass wind patterns, for example), or, from TFA, the north pole melting and releasing more water into the oceans, which floods any coastal cities. We can't change Earth's 'bipolar' cycles--but that doesn't mean we need to trigger heat waves beyond what Earth is used to.

/You might want to call up your local science teacher, they can probably give you more detail than me.
 
2013-07-26 03:27:15 PM  
So the Ice Age is finally finishing off. Pretty soon we will all being wearing sandals and drinking pina coladas.
 
2013-07-26 03:27:37 PM  

prjindigo: CFCs were heating the earth at an increasing rate until 1998 when they were almost outright banned, they're decaying now and we'll be starting to cool soon.

Man DID cause "global warming" but we already fixed it.


CFCs were banned due to their ozone-depleting effect, and their ozone-safe HFC replacements are still strong greenhouse gases.
 
2013-07-26 03:40:33 PM  
From another article on this subject:

This type of melt isn't so unusual during the summer season, however.

"I have seen much more extensive ponding," James Morison, the principal investigator for the North Pole Environmental Observatory told . "Because we use wide angle lenses the melt pond looks much bigger than it is."

There is a second webcam pointed at the pole, which looks far less dire than the first.


This is why people don't take Global Warming seriously. This guy plays it off like "Nothing to see here. Move along." And his title lends his opinion credibility to the common reader.
 
2013-07-26 05:26:03 PM  

Luse: tenpoundsofcheese: PsiChick: Kevin72: I do not deny this global warming. I do not deny too much carbon dioxide is bad and tree deforestation is worse.

My issue is with the greenhouse gas theory. It does not explain global warming on other planets. Global warming could also be caused by changes in the sun's magnetosphere becoming weaker, the sun becoming quadripolar, and other cosmic forces that we earthlycentric people are not fully knowledgeable of.

Galileo seeing "ears around Saturn" and moons belonging to Jupiter was a mere 400 years ago, but back then they were convinced that the earth was the center and end all and be all of the universe and put Galileo on trial for saying that the earth moved.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, you're right. That's like someone who's two hundred pounds overweight because they have a feeding fetish saying they don't know why they're fat because we don't know how many people have hypothyroidism (which, apparently, is really common and underdiagnosed). That may be the case, but  you know why you're personally fat, and you know how to fix it.

At this stage, it doesn't matter how other planets warm\cool. What matters is that  our planet is being warmed unduly by a  specific cause. If there's another factor, we'll find it and deal with it later, but there's no excuse for ignoring the factors we  do know about.

What specific cause are you referring to?
How much of the warming (it is warming now right, not climate change) is due to that cause?
Are we at the optimal climate right now or would we be better off with more warming or more cooling?  What is the ideal climate?

How about one where we don't have most of our southern and western states fighting over water? Is that good for ya?


You mean like they have been fighting for water since 1910?

/back under your bridge - maybe you can go there with a history book.
 
2013-07-26 05:30:30 PM  

PsiChick: tenpoundsofcheese: At this stage, it doesn't matter how other planets warm\cool. What matters is that  our planet is being warmed unduly by a  specific cause. If there's another factor, we'll find it and deal with it later, but there's no excuse for ignoring the factors we  do know about.

What specific cause are you referring to?
How much of the warming (it is warming now right, not climate change) is due to that cause?
Are we at the optimal climate right now or would we be better off with more warming or more cooling?  What is the ideal climate?

...I'm so sorry, I keep forgetting not every high school teaches basic science like climate change. Let me explain it for you (feel free to go Google once I've given you the basics).

We're pumping a  lot of various chemicals into the atmosphere. One of them, carbon dioxide, is thicker than other molecules (refresher: not all molecules are the same size), and tends to act like a layer of insulation. Well, over the years we've put so much of that in the atmosphere that we've basically turned Earth into a beer cooler. Now, normally Earth follows a cycle of warming and cooling (the Ice Ages, for example, were cooling periods), and there's jack shiat we can do about that. However, this isn't just a cycle of warming--this is  too hot for a cycle. Think of it like Earth having bipolar. Normally, Earth's 'mania', or hot phase, is just running around giggling in circles for an hour. Well, now Earth's hallucinating.

What that means is that there will be a fark-ton of natural disasters, along the lines of weather patterns changing (the recent spate of tornados had some  weird-ass wind patterns, for example), or, from TFA, the north pole melting and releasing more water into the oceans, which floods any coastal cities. We can't change Earth's 'bipolar' cycles--but that doesn't mean we need to trigger heat waves beyond what Earth is used to.

/You might want to call up your local science teacher, they can probably give you more deta ...


You still didn't answer the questions I asked:

"How much of the warming (it is warming now right, not climate change) is due to that cause?
Are we at the optimal climate right now or would we be better off with more warming or more cooling?  What is the ideal climate?
"

As for you other points, you mentioned this was due to all the CO2 we have been pumping in the air but neglect to acknowledge that the same ponding, even worse, was shown in 1962.

Secondly, do you understand that water vapor is a far more prevalent and "thicker" than CO2?   Why aren't you whining about the impact of water vapor?  Why just CO2?
 
2013-07-26 05:34:18 PM  

Luse: washington-babylon: TheMysteriousStranger: Valiente: miss diminutive: Because People in power are Stupid: miss diminutive: What this thread needs is some obnoxious, ill-informed, green text to put this whole thing into perspective.

If that's the north pole then where is the hole?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x350]

Hollow earther (as climate change denial) is the best I could come up with on short notice.

I honestly had never heard of the hollow Earth theory before. Probably because it's batshiat insane, but still...I learned something new today.

You know who else believed in the hollow Earth theory?

Idiots.

But they did provide out-of-context quotations from polar explorers to prove their points.
You know who else used out-of-context quotations?

Any Atheist or pagan who tried to quote the Bible EVER.

I'd get off that pulpit if I were you. Seems even christians can't seem to get their story straight. Remind me, how many different flavors are there now?


You mind giving my bait back? You kinda swallowed it before I could catch any really decent fish...
 
2013-07-26 05:57:08 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: /You might want to call up your local science teacher, they can probably give you more deta ...

You still didn't answer the questions I asked:

"How much of the warming (it is warming now right, not climate change) is due to that cause?
Are we at the optimal climate right now or would we be better off with more warming or more cooling?  What is the ideal climate? "

As for you other points, you mentioned this was due to all the CO2 we have been pumping in the air but neglect to acknowledge that the same ponding, even worse, was shown in 1962.

Secondly, do you understand that water vapor is a far more prevalent and "thicker" than CO2?   Why aren't you whining about the impact of water vapor?  Why just CO2?


A) 90-100%.

B) Exactly the same as it has been for the past...oh, two hundred years or thereabouts. That will not happen. In lieu of that, Earth's pre-existing cycles are safest.

C) Water vapor has not been shown to cause greenhouse effect. CO2 has. If you want to talk about 'ponding'--citation, please.
 
2013-07-26 06:10:00 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Luse: tenpoundsofcheese: PsiChick: Kevin72: I do not deny this global warming. I do not deny too much carbon dioxide is bad and tree deforestation is worse.

My issue is with the greenhouse gas theory. It does not explain global warming on other planets. Global warming could also be caused by changes in the sun's magnetosphere becoming weaker, the sun becoming quadripolar, and other cosmic forces that we earthlycentric people are not fully knowledgeable of.

Galileo seeing "ears around Saturn" and moons belonging to Jupiter was a mere 400 years ago, but back then they were convinced that the earth was the center and end all and be all of the universe and put Galileo on trial for saying that the earth moved.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, you're right. That's like someone who's two hundred pounds overweight because they have a feeding fetish saying they don't know why they're fat because we don't know how many people have hypothyroidism (which, apparently, is really common and underdiagnosed). That may be the case, but  you know why you're personally fat, and you know how to fix it.

At this stage, it doesn't matter how other planets warm\cool. What matters is that  our planet is being warmed unduly by a  specific cause. If there's another factor, we'll find it and deal with it later, but there's no excuse for ignoring the factors we  do know about.

What specific cause are you referring to?
How much of the warming (it is warming now right, not climate change) is due to that cause?
Are we at the optimal climate right now or would we be better off with more warming or more cooling?  What is the ideal climate?

How about one where we don't have most of our southern and western states fighting over water? Is that good for ya?

You mean like they have been fighting for water since 1910?

/back under your bridge - maybe you can go there with a history book.


I did and my book had some info about the Northwest Passage.

/your game is off
//seriously, back under your bridge
 
2013-07-26 06:11:02 PM  

washington-babylon: Luse: washington-babylon: TheMysteriousStranger: Valiente: miss diminutive: Because People in power are Stupid: miss diminutive: What this thread needs is some obnoxious, ill-informed, green text to put this whole thing into perspective.

If that's the north pole then where is the hole?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x350]

Hollow earther (as climate change denial) is the best I could come up with on short notice.

I honestly had never heard of the hollow Earth theory before. Probably because it's batshiat insane, but still...I learned something new today.

You know who else believed in the hollow Earth theory?

Idiots.

But they did provide out-of-context quotations from polar explorers to prove their points.
You know who else used out-of-context quotations?

Any Atheist or pagan who tried to quote the Bible EVER.

I'd get off that pulpit if I were you. Seems even christians can't seem to get their story straight. Remind me, how many different flavors are there now?

You mind giving my bait back? You kinda swallowed it before I could catch any really decent fish...


I'm working on a new intertube persona, troll slayer!
 
2013-07-26 08:56:54 PM  

miss diminutive:

What this thread needs is some obnoxious, ill-informed, green text to put this whole thing into perspective.
When you're right, you're right.  Let me fix that for you...
 
2013-07-26 09:29:05 PM  

GeneralJim: miss diminutive: What this thread needs is some obnoxious, ill-informed, green text to put this whole thing into perspective.When you're right, you're right.  Let me fix that for you...


So do you Fark on a +12h time or something? Why do you always green it up at the end?
 
2013-07-26 11:34:37 PM  

devilEther: I'll be dead before things start getting really bad. Your poor kids though...




When I was a little boy, my father would get drunk, and have long rambling monologs about the horrible dystopian future he saw coming. He would regularly pause and tell my brother and me "I won't live to see it, but you boys will." Just one of many reasons I was a very depressed child.
 
2013-07-27 09:36:55 AM  

Kevin72: back then they were convinced that the earth was the center


Pythagorus wants a word with you ...
and he had the math you might appreciate

Something about a square, maybe a root, and some other stuff christian morons dont believe in

// The world does not revolve around christian dogma we knew this BEFORE those assholes blasphemed their own biblical tetxts
// newsflash the world is round and shiat happens, ask columbus - oh wait, he got lost and arrested, like the criminal piece of shiat he was
 
2013-07-27 09:47:11 AM  

washington-babylon: You mind giving my bait back? You kinda swallowed it before I could catch any really decent fish...


has that ever worked ?

Tried to take the bait out of a barracuda once, almost took my hand off (tasted awful but I enjoyed smashing its brains to pulp before I ripped its heart out and slashed the gills)

crap fish took half of a red snapper.... I beat its head in with a branch I took from a holy tree... dropped by the tree's choice to the ground (Im a tree hugger, I would not harm a tree)
 
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