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(CBC)   While we've been fixated on Zimmerman, the Royal Baby, and Weiner's weener, the North Pole turned into a lake   (cbc.ca) divider line 143
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2013-07-25 11:10:05 PM
I better give Santa that snorkeling gear back.

He's going to need it more than me.
 
2013-07-25 11:12:28 PM
Who left the freezer door open?
 
2013-07-25 11:18:22 PM
What this thread needs is some obnoxious, ill-informed, green text to put this whole thing into perspective.
 
2013-07-25 11:29:06 PM

miss diminutive: What this thread needs is some obnoxious, ill-informed, green text to put this whole thing into perspective.


> thinks global warming exists
> complains about ill-informed people
 
2013-07-25 11:35:49 PM
That's perfectly normal.  Because sunspots.
 
2013-07-25 11:38:35 PM
Obviously, Jesus wants it to be a lake.
 
2013-07-25 11:38:36 PM
But only during the daytime.
 
2013-07-25 11:42:07 PM
Poles melting doesn't have the same drama as a possible racist shooting.

News are gonna report what gets the eyeballs. They don't give two shiats about anything else but money.
 
2013-07-25 11:44:23 PM

Mike_LowELL: miss diminutive: What this thread needs is some obnoxious, ill-informed, green text to put this whole thing into perspective.

> thinks global warming exists
> complains about ill-informed people


I have the power to summon green text? Awesome.

Also:

chriscolose.files.wordpress.com

This really isn't all that surprising given the accelerated rate of melting of summer sea ice over the last few decades.
 
2013-07-25 11:51:17 PM

cman: Poles melting doesn't have the same drama as a possible racist shooting.

News are gonna report what gets the eyeballs. They don't give two shiats about anything else but money.


Actually, here's how it works:
Corporate media: "Hey look - Zimmermann! Royal Baby! (*steals your retirement money*) Carlos Danger! North Pole's melting!"
 
2013-07-26 12:00:41 AM

miss diminutive: What this thread needs is some obnoxious, ill-informed, green text to put this whole thing into perspective.


If that's the north pole then where is the hole?

4.bp.blogspot.com

Hollow earther (as climate change denial) is the best I could come up with on short notice.
 
2013-07-26 12:03:25 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: miss diminutive: What this thread needs is some obnoxious, ill-informed, green text to put this whole thing into perspective.

If that's the north pole then where is the hole?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x350]

Hollow earther (as climate change denial) is the best I could come up with on short notice.


I honestly had never heard of the hollow Earth theory before. Probably because it's batshiat insane, but still...I learned something new today.
 
2013-07-26 12:14:10 AM
You know what happens when the ice completely melts in your drink?
 
2013-07-26 12:18:26 AM

Sgygus: You know what happens when the ice completely melts in your drink?


The level stays the same. Unfortunately, in this case, the ice melting replaces the white ice (high albedo) with dark water (low albedo), leading to more heat being absorbed, leading to a rise in water temps, melting more ice, etc.
 
2013-07-26 12:19:42 AM

Triumph: But only during the daytime.


Which is like 6 months up there.
 
2013-07-26 12:20:26 AM

Sgygus: You know what happens when the ice completely melts in your drink?


You wince, chug it all down then put fresh ice in and fill to the rim with bourbon. It's not global warming/rocket science.
 
2013-07-26 03:02:05 AM
I do not deny this global warming. I do not deny too much carbon dioxide is bad and tree deforestation is worse.

My issue is with the greenhouse gas theory. It does not explain global warming on other planets. Global warming could also be caused by changes in the sun's magnetosphere becoming weaker, the sun becoming quadripolar, and other cosmic forces that we earthlycentric people are not fully knowledgeable of.

Galileo seeing "ears around Saturn" and moons belonging to Jupiter was a mere 400 years ago, but back then they were convinced that the earth was the center and end all and be all of the universe and put Galileo on trial for saying that the earth moved.
 
2013-07-26 03:02:20 AM

Paris1127: The level stays the same.


Yes, but after the ice melts, the temperature of the drink rapidly increases.  We should follow Red Shirt Blues' suggestion and drop an icy comet in the Arctic Ocean.  Keep it chilly.
 
2013-07-26 03:19:26 AM

Kevin72: My issue is with the greenhouse gas theory. It does not explain global warming on other planets


Are you sure about that?

Can you disprove it?
 
2013-07-26 03:31:19 AM

Paris1127: Sgygus: You know what happens when the ice completely melts in your drink?

The level stays the same. Unfortunately, in this case, the ice melting replaces the white ice (high albedo) with dark water (low albedo), leading to more heat being absorbed, leading to a rise in water temps, melting more ice, etc.


Someone paging Albedo? Fine, but have some chili fries available.

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-07-26 03:35:30 AM

MurphyMurphy: Kevin72: My issue is with the greenhouse gas theory. It does not explain global warming on other planets

Are you sure about that?

Can you disprove it?


Disprove that global warming is also happening on other planets? That's already been proven.
And no I do not wish to disprove the greenhouse gas theory. But it has not been proven as the primary cause of global warming though it is popularly thought of as. But popularity is not proof.
 
2013-07-26 03:42:22 AM
If this is such a surprise. Why is there a BUOY there in the first place?
 
2013-07-26 05:23:25 AM

Kevin72: I do not deny this global warming. I do not deny too much carbon dioxide is bad and tree deforestation is worse.

My issue is with the greenhouse gas theory. It does not explain global warming on other planets. Global warming could also be caused by changes in the sun's magnetosphere becoming weaker, the sun becoming quadripolar, and other cosmic forces that we earthlycentric people are not fully knowledgeable of.

Galileo seeing "ears around Saturn" and moons belonging to Jupiter was a mere 400 years ago, but back then they were convinced that the earth was the center and end all and be all of the universe and put Galileo on trial for saying that the earth moved.


Does it need to? Venus had a runaway climate shift probably billions of years ago, Mars lost its atmosphere and has been at the mercy of the solar winds for billions also. Changes in climate might be caused by a myriad of factors, we just have to focus on what is responsible for our issues. We had a stable atmosphere with (to our perspective) very gradual changes in climate over eons, but now when we pump out greenhouse gasses we see the climate shift in years, not millenia. As far as I'm aware the only time something has happened on a comparable time scale on earth has been after a cataclysmic event, such as massive meteor impact, or massive volcanic eruption. Both of which are characterised by the ejection of vast swathes of 'stuffs' into the atmosphere, interfering with the way sunlight gets in and out, thus affecting the temperatures of the planet.

If archaeologists can identify Roman strata based on atmospheric lead levels caused by their industry, mainly the Rio Tinto mines in Southern Spain, and even the earliest agricultural activities several thousand years ago can be identified in paleo-atmospheric changes, doesn't that make it seem rather plausible to think that the masses of gasses we emit from cars and industry globally could have a significant effect on the climate?

I'm not some radical eco-warrior who'd call for an end to industry and mass transit. I'm just frustrated that this was a problem identified decades ago and something could have been done, but even today people still hope to ignore it in the belief that it will pass them by. I'm certain there are some very powerful people resistant to spend money on change because they know they will be dead by the time the consequences hit anyway.
 
2013-07-26 06:16:52 AM
Climate changing??

When was it stable? I didn't get that memo..
 
2013-07-26 06:20:48 AM
This summer has been really farking hot.

You can't explain that.
 
2013-07-26 06:21:20 AM
It's alright, it'll freeze again. I hear it gets cold up there in the winter.
 
2013-07-26 06:23:48 AM
rlv.zcache.com
 
2013-07-26 06:28:19 AM
OOOOH Geeeezus!
 
2013-07-26 06:30:12 AM

miss diminutive: Because People in power are Stupid: miss diminutive: What this thread needs is some obnoxious, ill-informed, green text to put this whole thing into perspective.

If that's the north pole then where is the hole?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x350]

Hollow earther (as climate change denial) is the best I could come up with on short notice.

I honestly had never heard of the hollow Earth theory before. Probably because it's batshiat insane, but still...I learned something new today.


You know who else believed in the hollow Earth theory?
 
2013-07-26 06:31:13 AM

Kevin72: MurphyMurphy: Kevin72: My issue is with the greenhouse gas theory. It does not explain global warming on other planets

Are you sure about that?

Can you disprove it?

Disprove that global warming is also happening on other planets? That's already been proven.
And no I do not wish to disprove the greenhouse gas theory. But it has not been proven as the primary cause of global warming though it is popularly thought of as. But popularity is not proof.


How do you know if you're not examining the issue?
 
2013-07-26 06:32:05 AM
On the bright side, this will take care of our Florida problem.
 
2013-07-26 06:32:43 AM

fungoo: If this is such a surprise. Why is there a BUOY there in the first place?


It's not a surprise, it's happened before. But not every year and not this early in the season. Note one shot shows rain.

For some reason, rain at the Pole was a touch freakier than open meltwater.
 
2013-07-26 06:36:08 AM

Red Shirt Blues: Sgygus: You know what happens when the ice completely melts in your drink?

You wince, chug it all down then put fresh ice in and fill to the rim with bourbon. It's not global warming/rocket science.


Sgygus: Paris1127: The level stays the same.

Yes, but after the ice melts, the temperature of the drink rapidly increases.  We should follow Red Shirt Blues' suggestion and drop an icy comet in the Arctic Ocean.  Keep it chilly.


img198.imageshack.us

"Thus solving the problem once and for all."

"But..."

"ONCE AND FOR ALL!"
 
2013-07-26 06:36:52 AM
Does Santa have flood insurance?  Will this affect the delivery of toys for Xmas or has that already been contracted out to China?
 
2013-07-26 06:36:57 AM

fungoo: If this is such a surprise. Why is there a BUOY there in the first place?


What, did you want one of those red and white barber poles with a big NORTH POLE sign there instead?
 
2013-07-26 06:38:34 AM
Which pole, magnetic or true?
 
2013-07-26 06:38:42 AM

gfid: Does Santa have flood insurance?  Will this affect the delivery of toys for Xmas or has that already been contracted out to China?


If Santa's Worshop is in Canada.... no, he doesn't.
 
2013-07-26 06:40:08 AM

Kevin72: I do not deny this global warming. I do not deny too much carbon dioxide is bad and tree deforestation is worse.

My issue is with the greenhouse gas theory. It does not explain global warming on other planets. Global warming could also be caused by changes in the sun's magnetosphere becoming weaker, the sun becoming quadripolar, and other cosmic forces that we earthlycentric people are not fully knowledgeable of.

Galileo seeing "ears around Saturn" and moons belonging to Jupiter was a mere 400 years ago, but back then they were convinced that the earth was the center and end all and be all of the universe and put Galileo on trial for saying that the earth moved.


*Sigh*

http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warmi ng .htm
Over the last 35 years the sun has shown a slight cooling trend. However global temperatures have been increasing. Since the sun and climate are going in opposite directions scientists conclude the sun cannot be the cause of recent global warming.The only way to blame the sun for the current rise in temperatures is by cherry picking the data. This is done by showing only past periods when sun and climate move together and ignoring the last few decades when the two are moving in opposite direction.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/cosmic-rays-and-global-warming.htm
The galactic cosmic ray (GCR) warming hypothesis is based on the premise that GCRs can "seed" clouds, and clouds reflect sunilight.  So if there are fewer GCRs reaching Earth (because a strong solar magnetic field is deflecting them away), the hypothesis says there will be fewer clouds, more sunlight reaching the Earth's surface, and thus more global warming.

So more solar activity means a stronger solar magnetic field, which means fewer GCRs reaching Earth, which hypothetically means fewer clouds and more warming.

The body of scientific research has determined that

On the contrary, while GCRs are up, global temperatures are also way up, and temperatures in recent years reached record highs.


http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars.htm
At this time, there is little empirical evidence that Mars is warming. Mars' climate is primarily driven by dust and albedo, not solar variations, and we know the sun is not heating up all the planets in our solar system because we can accurately measure the sun's output here on Earth.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-co2-enhanced- gr eenhouse-effect.htm

As temperatures started to rise, scientists became more and more interested in the cause. Many theories were proposed. All save one have fallen by the wayside, discarded for lack of evidence. One theory alone has stood the test of time, strengthened by experiments.

We know CO2 absorbs and re-emits longwave radiation (Tyndall). The theory of greenhouse gases predicts that if we increase the proportion of greenhouse gases, more warming will occur (Arrhenius).

Scientists have measured the influence of CO2 on both incoming solar energy and outgoing long-wave radiation. Less longwave radiation is escaping to space at the specific wavelengths of greenhouse gases. Increased longwave radiation is measured at the surface of the Earth at the same wavelengths.
 
2013-07-26 06:40:29 AM

WippitGuud: gfid: Does Santa have flood insurance?  Will this affect the delivery of toys for Xmas or has that already been contracted out to China?

If Santa's Worshop is in Canada.... no, he doesn't.


Santa's Workshop is in San Bernardino off the 10 and 210.
 
2013-07-26 06:42:38 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: WippitGuud: gfid: Does Santa have flood insurance?  Will this affect the delivery of toys for Xmas or has that already been contracted out to China?

If Santa's Worshop is in Canada.... no, he doesn't.

Santa's Workshop is in San Bernardino off the 10 and 210.


Oh sure. I bet he has a bunch of blondes in bikinis for elves.


www.dees-fancydress.co.uk


Uh-huh. Knew it.
 
2013-07-26 06:43:23 AM
As long as reproduction is a "right", with no corresponding "responsibilities", the problem will do nothing but get worse. As long as anybody with  a functional set of genitals can pump out a "unit", and society has to collectively work incrementally harder to support that unit for them, the problem will do nothing but get worse. As long as it's beneficial to the Democrats to perpetuate this "lack of personal responsibility" social model, the problem will do nothing but get worse. As long as the Supreme Court keeps making the overwhelming majority of its decisions in favor of big businesses, the problem will do nothing but get worse.

In short, as long as our political system is comprised of only two parties, one which whores itself out to greedy commercial interests, and the other that bases its political platform upon class envy and avoidance of personal responsibility at all levels, our offspring are totally screwed.
 
2013-07-26 06:43:29 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: WippitGuud: gfid: Does Santa have flood insurance?  Will this affect the delivery of toys for Xmas or has that already been contracted out to China?

If Santa's Worshop is in Canada.... no, he doesn't.

Santa's Workshop is in San Bernardino off the 10 and 210.


You misspelled Mexico.
 
2013-07-26 06:43:53 AM
We're farked.  Well, our grandkids are anyway.
 
2013-07-26 06:44:01 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: WippitGuud: gfid: Does Santa have flood insurance?  Will this affect the delivery of toys for Xmas or has that already been contracted out to China?

If Santa's Worshop is in Canada.... no, he doesn't.

Santa's Workshop is in San Bernardino off the 10 and 210.


Don't know about Santa's workshop, but Santa's village is in Dundee Illinois.
 
2013-07-26 06:44:46 AM

ongbok: AverageAmericanGuy: WippitGuud: gfid: Does Santa have flood insurance?  Will this affect the delivery of toys for Xmas or has that already been contracted out to China?

If Santa's Worshop is in Canada.... no, he doesn't.

Santa's Workshop is in San Bernardino off the 10 and 210.

Don't know about Santa's workshop, but Santa's village is in Dundee Illinois.


Does it have a petting zoo?
 
2013-07-26 06:48:45 AM

kqc7011: Which pole, magnetic or true?


That was my first thought as well.... but the North Pole Environmental Observatory turns out to be at true north, 90 degrees, top of the world.
 
2013-07-26 06:52:17 AM

kqc7011: Which pole, magnetic or true?


or stripper?
 
2013-07-26 06:59:42 AM
Because it's hot in the North Pole, does weather equal climate again?
 
2013-07-26 07:02:22 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Because it's hot in the North Pole, does weather equal climate again?


Yes, because local weather is indicative of long-term trends.

Oh wait, no, it's the opposite of that.
 
2013-07-26 07:04:20 AM

Joce678: kqc7011: Which pole, magnetic or true?

That was my first thought as well.... but the North Pole Environmental Observatory turns out to be at true north, 90 degrees, top of the world.


There's a few more than two
 
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