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(CBS News)   Bad: Getting lost while hiking. Good: Being rescued and returned to your car. Worse: Minutes later, driving your car into the ocean and drowning   (cbsnews.com) divider line 107
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2013-07-26 03:04:32 AM

Maggie_Luna: I honestly hope that was a poorly written article because I'm amazed the two survived to their thirties by it's description. Wouldn't you remember you were parked near a boat ramp and which way the water was? That seems like an important detail.  Um Darwanism?


Darwan's lesser-known theory of natural selection.
 
2013-07-26 03:22:13 AM
Maybe - just maybe - there shouldn't be a road that leads directly into the water, just in-case confused bimbos from out-of-town go driving in the fog like these poor saps.

/that poor doggy.
 
2013-07-26 03:26:17 AM

Mike Chewbacca: Uakronkid: They drove 175 feet off the ramp into into the water. How is that even possible?

I have no idea. It's not like they were going 100 mph and it was momentum. They should have stopped almost immediately.

Also, here's how to survive your car going into water.


^^^ Excellent link, I hadn't seen that Ep yet. From that video even, none of that looked easy to accomplish even knowing you have the safety a diver and a rescue tank for the demo. Darwin holds the obvious advantage here.

/Owns a car window hammer, and hope I use it effectively if I ever need it
//Fear is the Mind-Killer
 
2013-07-26 03:26:34 AM

Uakronkid: They drove 175 feet off the ramp into into the water. How is that even possible?


They likely drove into the water and the car floated for a few minutes.
It also is possible the car drifted down a slope at the foot of the boat ramp.

styckx: A. Open the farking door and get out
B. Roll down the window and get out



If the electrical system shorts, power windows and power locks might make this impossible.
 
2013-07-26 03:56:05 AM

T.rex: the windows may have shorted out once submerged


This is always possible -- windows sometimes short out even when not submerged. But just for the sake of analysis know that the 12V DC system in a car is actually somewhat difficult to short out with water. It can certainly be done, but it's also possible for a car to be sitting at the bottom of a lake for 1 week and still have a fully functional electrical system.
 
2013-07-26 03:59:31 AM

T.rex: the windows may have shorted out once submerged


This is always possible -- windows sometimes short out even when not submerged. But just for the sake of analysis know that the 12V DC system in a car is actually somewhat difficult to short out with water. It can certainly be done, but it's also possible for a car to be sitting at the bottom of a lake for 1 week and still have a fully functional electrical system.
 
2013-07-26 04:07:32 AM
Who's the U-Boat Commander?
 
2013-07-26 04:11:28 AM

farkingismybusiness: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 612x362]
Should have drove a Fiat.


Should have almost gotten rescued and then called in the choppa
 
2013-07-26 04:18:07 AM

Mike Chewbacca: Uakronkid: They drove 175 feet off the ramp into into the water. How is that even possible?

I have no idea. It's not like they were going 100 mph and it was momentum. They should have stopped almost immediately.

Also, here's how to survive your car going into water.


Well, actually the clip said Adam would have died.

I wouldn't be surprised if the ladies in their panic didn't want to open any doors/windows because that would 'let more water in'.

I would recommends grabbing that phone, but instead of calling someone use it to break the window.

If I'm not mistaken, the 'sweet-spot' for window breaking is the bottom rear corner.

/probably got that information from another Mythbusters episode
 
2013-07-26 04:20:51 AM
It's so amusing. It's like one of those 'Final Destination' flicks!
 
2013-07-26 04:22:11 AM

alienated: farkingismybusiness: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 612x362]
Should have drove a Fiat.

Should have almost gotten rescued and then called in the choppa


If it bleeds we can save it. (Some time)
 
2013-07-26 04:42:54 AM
Thank you Monday morning quarterbackers of Fark. I'm sure ya'll have real life experience escaping submerged vehicles. No? Oh well, maybe these ladies really should have tried to get out come to think of it.

Anyway, would it be so hard to install a simple unlocked gate in front of a boat ramp? Nothing fancy, just a chain or rope with a sign on it would do. If we can afford to put guard rails on all of our high places, surely we can do this much?
 
2013-07-26 04:59:02 AM
Just goes to show that when your number's up, your number's up.
 
2013-07-26 05:06:56 AM

findthefish: The saddest part is that the dog died too...


So, there we are in TimeHQ trying to figure out the most elegant way to prevent super-Hitler from being born and later causing the nuclear war that pushed humanity off earth. So we arranged for Applemaps to come into existence just to kill his grandmother, her friend, and a dog. For some reason we got complaints about the dog.
 
2013-07-26 05:18:49 AM

Mike Chewbacca: They should have stopped almost immediately.


That depends a lot on what the topography of the bottom of the body of water. If it's a continuing downward slope without significant obstructions they could simply have continued rolling downhill after sinking. Water is more viscous than air, but not enough so to keep a car from rolling.
 
2013-07-26 05:31:22 AM

findthefish: The saddest part is that the dog died too...


No: It's not.
 
2013-07-26 05:43:23 AM

loudballs: and a van full of something hard enough to crack a window.

Maybe not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L91_K-s4pMM
 
2013-07-26 06:38:35 AM
Is it advisable for a 5 months pregnant woman to be hiking in the first place?
 
2013-07-26 06:44:43 AM

loudballs: Perhaps it's a really crass thing to say, as the death is made more tragic because one woman was pregnant.

Why more tragic? The world was saved from alot of stupid.

 
2013-07-26 07:14:44 AM
In the ocean with car filling with water. Still won't put down the phone.
 
2013-07-26 07:55:46 AM

Uakronkid: They drove 175 feet off the ramp into into the water. How is that even possible?


jimmythefly: If they had time to call, that means the car floated for a bit as it went under.

What a horrible story. I feel for the family.


There is your answer Uakronkid.

Mock26: Car manufacturers need to come up with some safety feature that will help people get out of cars that go splash.  I am thinking explosive bolts on the doors!  Or better yet, a lever in the door that when pulled disengages the window drive motors and allows the windows to be cranked down manually.


Okay that was funny.  Not to be mean if you are serious, but the pressure from the water would make both impossible until the cabin is full of water.  You're better off keeping a mini scuba tank in the car, or a large tank if you plan on waiting for rescue.
 
2013-07-26 08:17:06 AM

Roest: loudballs: Perhaps it's a really crass thing to say, as the death is made more tragic because one woman was pregnant.

Why more tragic? The world was saved from alot of stupid.


You used an imaginary word two words before you called someone who died tragically "stupid."
That's like Carlos Mencia making fun of other mentally challenged people.
 
2013-07-26 08:21:33 AM
I am really having a hard time understanding how they died...  Oh, I know that she drove down a boat ramp into a large body of water, but I mean, how could anybody let THAT kill them?  Unbuckle yourself, roll the windows down if you can... if you cant, wait for the pressure to equalize enough to push the doors open and then go....    But these peeps decide to make a phone call instead....
 
2013-07-26 08:23:30 AM
This is all made worse by the fact that they where in a minivan...  minivans have side sliding doors that wont be easily effected by unequal pressure like a normal car door that can only swing out...
 
2013-07-26 08:25:18 AM

Maul555: I am really having a hard time understanding how they died...  Oh, I know that she drove down a boat ramp into a large body of water, but I mean, how could anybody let THAT kill them?  Unbuckle yourself, roll the windows down if you can... if you cant, wait for the pressure to equalize enough to push the doors open and then go....    But these peeps decide to make a phone call instead....


This guy did the same thing. Just sat these on the phone until the water took him. It's bizarre to think anyone would just sit there and die.

The two men made eye contact, but Laseke didn't say anything.
"He had the phone to his ear, but he was obviously in shock," Geiger said.


http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130725/news/707259901/
 
2013-07-26 08:33:01 AM

Max Awesome: Maybe - just maybe - there shouldn't be a road that leads directly into the water, just in-case confused bimbos from out-of-town go driving in the fog like these poor saps.

/that poor doggy.


You're right!  We need to shut down every boat ramp in the country...  There are only thousands of them...
 
2013-07-26 08:58:38 AM
Here's your sign!
 
2013-07-26 09:19:03 AM
Should have taken the helicopter.
 
2013-07-26 09:45:36 AM

loudballs: Officials summoned a volunteer diver from the Jonesboro Fire Department, who found the car about 175 feet off the boat ramp

I call B.S. on this being an accident. Nobody takes a minivan 175 feet into the water unless you're doing 90 mph and launch that vehicle as hard as you can in a direction certain to bring your doom. Perhaps it's a really crass thing to say, as the death is made more tragic because one woman was pregnant. Add up the previous lost-in-the-woods episode with the stupidly ridiculous idea that they called for help but didn't have the awareness to roll down the f-ing window or open the door. Also, the article glosses over this, but

a warden picked them up and brought them to their vehicle, which was parked at the park.But Stiner then drove toward the boat ramp instead of in the other direction toward Machias, Smith said.

So the unsaid thing here is that apparently the warden told them where to drive and the women drove the complete opposite direction at (apparently) full speed down a dead end road in the thickest pea soup fog of your nightmares.

Okay, maybe the electrical system went out the moment they impacted the water or perhaps before they came to their senses. Yes, I know they'd have to wait for the car to fill with water before opening the door, but it's not like these were 2 ten year old kids. These mom-types of 37 and 38 years old with a f-ing minivan and probably a purse full of stuff and a van full of something hard enough to crack a window. A minivan. With large cavernous interior that would take a little extra time filling with water compared to a compact.

"They called on the phone that they were in the water and the car was filling up. Then the phone went dead,"

I'd be interested in hearing the 911 call.
"Yes, hello, our car is filling with water. We're going to drown. Help."
"Open the door."
"What?"
"Have you tried the door?"
"We thought we'd just sit here until help arrives."


I personally think you're trolling, as there is no one stupid enough to not understand what tide is, or how water moves shiat.
 
2013-07-26 09:57:05 AM

styckx: So the car is filling up with water.

You.

A. Open the farking door and get out
B. Roll down the window and get out
C. Wait till the car fills up and then do A. or B.
D. Make a phone call


Mythbusters showed that unless you get out fast it becomes next to impossible to get out because of the pressure difference between the car and the water.
 
2013-07-26 10:06:21 AM

4seasons85!: styckx: So the car is filling up with water.

You.

A. Open the farking door and get out
B. Roll down the window and get out
C. Wait till the car fills up and then do A. or B.
D. Make a phone call

Mythbusters showed that unless you get out fast it becomes next to impossible to get out because of the pressure difference between the car and the water.


That's why C is in there because it might be necessary.  After the car fills up there is no pressure difference.  You are supposed to walk away from Mythbusters with more information than you started.
 
2013-07-26 10:25:06 AM

trappedspirit: 4seasons85!: styckx: So the car is filling up with water.

You.

A. Open the farking door and get out
B. Roll down the window and get out
C. Wait till the car fills up and then do A. or B.
D. Make a phone call

Mythbusters showed that unless you get out fast it becomes next to impossible to get out because of the pressure difference between the car and the water.

That's why C is in there because it might be necessary.  After the car fills up there is no pressure difference.  You are supposed to walk away from Mythbusters with more information than you started.


You don't even need to wait for the entire car to fill up... once the door you are trying to open is underwater you should be able to open it I think...
 
2013-07-26 10:25:56 AM

pedrop357: T.rex: Thinstyckx: So the car is filling up with water.

You.

A. Open the farking door and get out
B. Roll down the window and get out
C. Wait till the car fills up and then do A. or B.
D. Make a phone call

Thing is, the water pressure will be too strong to open the door against, and the windows may have shorted out once submerged....

T.rex: Thinstyckx: So the car is filling up with water.

You.

A. Open the farking door and get out
B. Roll down the window and get out
C. Wait till the car fills up and then do A. or B.
D. Make a phone call

Thing is, the water pressure will be too strong to open the door against, and the windows may have shorted out once submerged....

Apparently it's possible to push the doors open enough for water to start flowing in and equalize the pressure.

I carry one of these firmly to something near the drivers seat in my cars.


I keep mine in the trunk
 
2013-07-26 10:26:03 AM
In any case, you really should be trying to open that door or bust out a window until you are dead or escape....
 
2013-07-26 10:27:16 AM

trappedspirit: 4seasons85!: styckx: So the car is filling up with water.

You.

A. Open the farking door and get out
B. Roll down the window and get out
C. Wait till the car fills up and then do A. or B.
D. Make a phone call

Mythbusters showed that unless you get out fast it becomes next to impossible to get out because of the pressure difference between the car and the water.

That's why C is in there because it might be necessary.  After the car fills up there is no pressure difference.  You are supposed to walk away from Mythbusters with more information than you started.


Who's to say that you don't drown before it fully fills up?
 
2013-07-26 10:29:37 AM

4seasons85!: trappedspirit: 4seasons85!: styckx: So the car is filling up with water.

You.

A. Open the farking door and get out
B. Roll down the window and get out
C. Wait till the car fills up and then do A. or B.
D. Make a phone call

Mythbusters showed that unless you get out fast it becomes next to impossible to get out because of the pressure difference between the car and the water.

That's why C is in there because it might be necessary.  After the car fills up there is no pressure difference.  You are supposed to walk away from Mythbusters with more information than you started.

Who's to say that you don't drown before it fully fills up?


If the car is not yet fully filled up, that means there is an air pocket you can use to breath until it does fill up...  im not saying its easy, but if the air pocket is too small to use, then chances are that you can open the door...
 
2013-07-26 10:34:50 AM

Maul555: In any case, you really should be trying to open that door or bust out a window until you are dead or escape....


She could have used the phone to break the window.
 
2013-07-26 10:36:12 AM
What's worse than getting lost while hiking?  I repeat, what's worse than getting lost while hiking?

Driving your car into the ocean and drowning yourself, your friend and your poor dog.

Driving your car into the ocean and drowning yourself, your friend and your poor dog.
 
2013-07-26 10:55:31 AM

MagSeven: Is it advisable for a 5 months pregnant woman to be hiking in the first place?


Sure, why not?  She was pregnant, not severely disabled.
 
2013-07-26 10:58:35 AM
www.biography.com

Fool me once!
 
2013-07-26 11:04:02 AM

4seasons85!: trappedspirit: 4seasons85!: styckx: So the car is filling up with water.

You.

A. Open the farking door and get out
B. Roll down the window and get out
C. Wait till the car fills up and then do A. or B.
D. Make a phone call

Mythbusters showed that unless you get out fast it becomes next to impossible to get out because of the pressure difference between the car and the water.

That's why C is in there because it might be necessary.  After the car fills up there is no pressure difference.  You are supposed to walk away from Mythbusters with more information than you started.

Who's to say that you don't drown before it fully fills up?


Allah.  Trust in Allah.
 
2013-07-26 11:14:24 AM

Resident Muslim: Mike Chewbacca: Uakronkid: They drove 175 feet off the ramp into into the water. How is that even possible?

I have no idea. It's not like they were going 100 mph and it was momentum. They should have stopped almost immediately.

Also, here's how to survive your car going into water.

Well, actually the clip said Adam would have died.

I wouldn't be surprised if the ladies in their panic didn't want to open any doors/windows because that would 'let more water in'.

I would recommends grabbing that phone, but instead of calling someone use it to break the window.

If I'm not mistaken, the 'sweet-spot' for window breaking is the bottom rear corner.

/probably got that information from another Mythbusters episode


Glass does bend, so it's the spot with the least deflection before over stressing the glass.
 
2013-07-26 11:20:00 AM

pedrop357: T.rex: Thinstyckx: So the car is filling up with water.

You.

A. Open the farking door and get out
B. Roll down the window and get out
C. Wait till the car fills up and then do A. or B.
D. Make a phone call

Thing is, the water pressure will be too strong to open the door against, and the windows may have shorted out once submerged....

T.rex: Thinstyckx: So the car is filling up with water.

You.

A. Open the farking door and get out
B. Roll down the window and get out
C. Wait till the car fills up and then do A. or B.
D. Make a phone call

Thing is, the water pressure will be too strong to open the door against, and the windows may have shorted out once submerged....

Apparently it's possible to push the doors open enough for water to start flowing in and equalize the pressure.

I carry one of these firmly to something near the drivers seat in my cars.


If you're lacking an escape hammer, try to remove a headrest and bang that against the glass.

/No, not the cushy head-resty end.
 
2013-07-26 11:36:10 AM
Yawn.  Submitted this yesterday with a funnier headline.
 
2013-07-26 11:57:06 AM
www.biography.com
Mulligan!
 
2013-07-26 11:59:57 AM
Cue the lawsuit against the warden, et al, in 3..2..1...

And, seriously, I'd be willing to take the case and win it with all I know about law from teevee.

A pregnant woman, a friend from out of state go through an ordeal in the woods that no doubt depleted their adrenaline.  They are then deposited at their vehicle and the warden lets them drive off into the fog, without even following them????
 
2013-07-26 12:01:41 PM
lack of warmth:

Mock26: Car manufacturers need to come up with some safety feature that will help people get out of cars that go splash.  I am thinking explosive bolts on the doors!  Or better yet, a lever in the door that when pulled disengages the window drive motors and allows the windows to be cranked down manually.

Okay that was funny.  Not to be mean if you are serious, but the pressure from the water would make both impossible until the cabin is full of water.  You're better off keeping a mini scuba tank in the car, or a large tank if you plan on waiting for rescue.


Actually, crank windows can be rolled down without having to let the car fill up with water and the pressure equalizes.  You still have to wait for it to fill up, but I would much rather it happen quickly than slowly.
 
2013-07-26 12:24:11 PM

fuhfuhfuh: You've reached your Final Destination.


I'm ashamed this made me LOL
 
2013-07-26 02:07:13 PM
One thing that the story gets wrong however is that she was 7 months pregnant not 5.  She was due around September 20th, at least that is what she told me last week.
 
2013-07-26 03:04:20 PM

fuhfuhfuh: You've reached your Final Destination.


Dr. Who reference?
 
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