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2013-07-25 08:20:53 PM
yep. you got your retirees driving 45 in the left lane of I-95 with their right blinkers on, your haitians driving all the cabs without ever learning any driving skills, and your hothead cubans who all think they drive like ayrton senna. add alcohol.
 
2013-07-25 08:23:36 PM
I've heard all of the horror stories of Miami, but I've actually driven in Tampa.  Holy fark, it's awful.  I can't imagine Miami.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-25 08:40:59 PM
One notable escapee is San Diego, the city with the most drunk driving arrests.

Illegal aliens who can't (or don't) get licenses don't have insurance and don't file claims. That will skew the numbers. Mexicans legally visiting may have Mexican insurance and will not file claims here.
 
2013-07-25 08:40:59 PM

Wall_of_Doodoo: You've heard about this new thing we have called 'capitalization' right?


capitalization is so 20th century, dude.
 
2013-07-25 08:42:14 PM
Had the misfortune of driving around Orlando for a couple of days last month. Holy fark, I saw some dumb shiat. Only some of it was from lost tourists looking for Disney, too. The most egregious stuff was done by locals.
 
2013-07-25 08:45:05 PM

Wall_of_Doodoo: Cewley: yep. you got your retirees driving 45 in the left lane of I-95 with their right blinkers on, your haitians driving all the cabs without ever learning any driving skills, and your hothead cubans who all think they drive like ayrton senna. add alcohol.

You've heard about this new thing we have called 'capitalization' right?

Also, I've lived in Baltimore right off of North Avenue and some of the driving I've seen is truely mind boggling. I also work in a clinic that does a lot of PI work and some of the stories I've heard, also mind boggling.

Baltimore is truely a special, special place.


If you're going to correct somebody's cpitalization, you should learn how to spell "truly."

Truly.
 
2013-07-25 08:53:27 PM
my wife is driving around Baltimore right now so I am really getting a kick...crap.
 
2013-07-25 09:17:31 PM

Wall_of_Doodoo: ecmoRandomNumbers: Wall_of_Doodoo: Cewley: yep. you got your retirees driving 45 in the left lane of I-95 with their right blinkers on, your haitians driving all the cabs without ever learning any driving skills, and your hothead cubans who all think they drive like ayrton senna. add alcohol.

You've heard about this new thing we have called 'capitalization' right?

Also, I've lived in Baltimore right off of North Avenue and some of the driving I've seen is truely mind boggling. I also work in a clinic that does a lot of PI work and some of the stories I've heard, also mind boggling.

Baltimore is truely a special, special place.

If you're going to correct somebody's cpitalization, you should learn how to spell "truly."

Truly.

Hey dude, that's what it autocorrected to. I'm a science guy, I gotta remember how to spell 'levator scapulae', 'Gluteus medius', 'splanchnic ganglion', etc, etc. I leave the plebe words you people use to my phone and libtards like you cause it never comes up in the real world. 'Truely' vs 'truly'? Lionel Ritchie gets it, I don't really care. Figure it out, there Dostevski, a letter added or taken away, you've already taken down Dan Quayle for adding an 'e' to a word, your schtick is old.


LOL.
 
2013-07-25 09:25:53 PM

Wall_of_Doodoo: ecmoRandomNumbers: Wall_of_Doodoo: Cewley: yep. you got your retirees driving 45 in the left lane of I-95 with their right blinkers on, your haitians driving all the cabs without ever learning any driving skills, and your hothead cubans who all think they drive like ayrton senna. add alcohol.

You've heard about this new thing we have called 'capitalization' right?

Also, I've lived in Baltimore right off of North Avenue and some of the driving I've seen is truely mind boggling. I also work in a clinic that does a lot of PI work and some of the stories I've heard, also mind boggling.

Baltimore is truely a special, special place.

If you're going to correct somebody's cpitalization, you should learn how to spell "truly."

Truly.

Hey dude, that's what it autocorrected to. I'm a science guy, I gotta remember how to spell 'levator scapulae', 'Gluteus medius', 'splanchnic ganglion', etc, etc. I leave the plebe words you people use to my phone and libtards like you cause it never comes up in the real world. 'Truely' vs 'truly'? Lionel Ritchie gets it, I don't really care. Figure it out, there Dostevski, a letter added or taken away, you've already taken down Dan Quayle for adding an 'e' to a word, your schtick is old.


Up your meds, Angry.
 
2013-07-25 09:31:49 PM
This list does not include Dublin, OH... so it can not be correct.
 
2013-07-25 09:32:56 PM
DC is only 16th?  I've lived in Florida and DC, and I think DC drivers are just as bad, if not worse.
 
2013-07-25 10:11:50 PM
Providence is appropriately included. These f*cking morans wouldn't know what a turn signal was if you beat them to death with it. (Which I have dreams about.) Yes, I'll seek help.

Wish I could drive this to work:

i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-25 10:13:09 PM
Wait, Providence got booted off? BOO!!! Turn those machines back on!
 
2013-07-25 10:21:40 PM
See, you guys! I've always told you Floridians are the worst American drivers. I grew up there, mastering the art of defensive driving. You could say I'm a ninja at that sort of thing.

If the thunderstorms, hurricanes, elderly, snowbirds, tourists, crackers, transplants, drunks, stoners, road ragers and mentally unbalanced don't get you on Florida roads, the collapsing bridges will.

www.sptimes.com
 
2013-07-25 11:06:11 PM

AirForceVet: See, you guys! I've always told you Floridians are the worst American drivers. I grew up there, mastering the art of defensive driving. You could say I'm a ninja at that sort of thing.

If the thunderstorms, hurricanes, elderly, snowbirds, tourists, crackers, transplants, drunks, stoners, road ragers and mentally unbalanced don't get you on Florida roads, the collapsing bridges will.

[www.sptimes.com image 450x291]


Yes.  The role of the storms can't be underestimated though, because if you've never spent much time down here, you just don't know.  You're driving along at 80mph on the highway, keeping up with traffic, blue skies, sun shining, then almost instantly the sky turns dark and a seemingly impenetrable wall of water slams against your windshield.  Visibility goes from perfect to near zero, and all you can make out are occasional brake and hazard lights between the frantic swipes of your windshield wipers.

Some drivers try to keep on, some pull to the shoulder, some turn their hazards on, some don't, some slow to a crawl, everyone is doing something different and you can't see for a damn what's happening.
 
2013-07-25 11:08:39 PM
Sounds like FL should stop letting in people from Michigan.
 
2013-07-25 11:18:39 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The role of the storms can't be underestimated though, because if you've never spent much time down here, you just don't know.  You're driving along at 80mph on the highway, keeping up with traffic, blue skies, sun shining, then almost instantly the sky turns dark and a seemingly impenetrable wall of water slams against your windshield.  Visibility goes from perfect to near zero, and all you can make out are occasional brake and hazard lights between the frantic swipes of your windshield wipers


That truly is terrifying. And trucks do NOT slow down.
 
2013-07-26 01:49:17 AM
I don't know about the others because I haven't been to them that much (or at all in some cases), but #1 is indisputably correct.  Holy shiat, no place I've been to competes with Miami when it comes to bad drivers. Between 90-year-old former New Yorkers driving 40 mph in the fast lane with their blinker on for 20 miles, and 20-year-old wannabe gangbangers passing you on the right shoulder at 95 mph in their blinged-out Escalades sitting on 24" dubs, it's like driving in a horrible real-life video game. When I've driven there, every trip I've taken seems like a major victory when I arrive alive at my destination.
 
2013-07-26 01:54:53 AM

Cewley: yep. you got your retirees driving 45 in the left lane of I-95 with their right blinkers on, your haitians driving all the cabs without ever learning any driving skills, and your hothead cubans who all think they drive like ayrton senna. add alcohol.


The legislature this spring passed a law against this.  I was shocked they finally got around to it.  But the shiatty drivers aren't limited to Miami.  They're just as bad on this side of the state.  Every third car is driven by a geezer hunched over their steering wheel with their eyes glazed over.  Just look for the Lincoln Towncar.
 
2013-07-26 02:00:26 AM

TuteTibiImperes: AirForceVet: See, you guys! I've always told you Floridians are the worst American drivers. I grew up there, mastering the art of defensive driving. You could say I'm a ninja at that sort of thing.

If the thunderstorms, hurricanes, elderly, snowbirds, tourists, crackers, transplants, drunks, stoners, road ragers and mentally unbalanced don't get you on Florida roads, the collapsing bridges will.

[www.sptimes.com image 450x291]

Yes.  The role of the storms can't be underestimated though, because if you've never spent much time down here, you just don't know.  You're driving along at 80mph on the highway, keeping up with traffic, blue skies, sun shining, then almost instantly the sky turns dark and a seemingly impenetrable wall of water slams against your windshield.  Visibility goes from perfect to near zero, and all you can make out are occasional brake and hazard lights between the frantic swipes of your windshield wipers.

Some drivers try to keep on, some pull to the shoulder, some turn their hazards on, some don't, some slow to a crawl, everyone is doing something different and you can't see for a damn what's happening.


That is the best description of my daily commute I could ever imagine.  I'm going to use that whenever the need arises.
 
2013-07-26 02:13:35 AM

Hoban Washburne: I've heard all of the horror stories of Miami, but I've actually driven in Tampa.  Holy fark, it's awful.  I can't imagine Miami.


I've driven in both and Miami is much worse.
 
2013-07-26 03:02:01 AM
I have never even heard of the city 'Hialeah'. I thought this was a survey of major cities.
 
2013-07-26 03:02:26 AM
Bad drivers in Maryland are everywhere.  I drive in NYC, LA, and DC to relax and escape Maryland drivers.
 
2013-07-26 03:08:51 AM
Whoever put together this study has obviously never been to Silicon Valley.
 
2013-07-26 03:09:29 AM
farking Philly drivers.. In Jersey they are kings of sitting in the passing lane going slower then everyone else, or kings of sitting in the middle lane and pacing the car next to them in the slow them..

Scumbags..
 
2013-07-26 03:09:51 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Wall_of_Doodoo: Cewley: yep. you got your retirees driving 45 in the left lane of I-95 with their right blinkers on, your haitians driving all the cabs without ever learning any driving skills, and your hothead cubans who all think they drive like ayrton senna. add alcohol.

You've heard about this new thing we have called 'capitalization' right?

Also, I've lived in Baltimore right off of North Avenue and some of the driving I've seen is truely mind boggling. I also work in a clinic that does a lot of PI work and some of the stories I've heard, also mind boggling.

Baltimore is truely a special, special place.

If you're going to correct somebody's cpitalization, you should learn how to spell "truly."

Truly.


Classic.
 
2013-07-26 03:10:21 AM
Somebody had their number, and it was time to collect.
 
2013-07-26 03:11:00 AM

Cewley: yep. you got your retirees driving 45 in the left lane of I-95 with their right blinkers on, your haitians driving all the cabs without ever learning any driving skills, and your hothead cubans who all think they drive like ayrton senna. add alcohol.


Don't forget the staged accidents and insurance fraud.
 
2013-07-26 03:13:05 AM
Orlando is also a ridiculous zoo when it comes to driving.   It's a noxious stew of senior citizens, college students, and tourists from all over the world.
 
2013-07-26 03:17:13 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Yes.  The role of the storms can't be underestimated though, because if you've never spent much time down here, you just don't know.  You're driving along at 80mph on the highway, keeping up with traffic, blue skies, sun shining, then almost instantly the sky turns dark and a seemingly impenetrable wall of water slams against your windshield.  Visibility goes from perfect to near zero,


That's a pretty good point.  I would suspect that the majority of accidents happen in 5 minute periods of torrential flooding rain, which are immediately preceded and followed by fluffy clouds and blue sky, during the 9 months of spring+summer.

I work right next to I4.  From my office window I can look out on it.  (And being an engineer, I spend a lot of time staring out the window.) Anecdotal, but the vast majority of accidents I see are during or within a few minutes following one of the afternoon solid-walls-o-water.
 
2013-07-26 03:17:31 AM
What, no Seattle?

/So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber.
//The locals used to say, if you can drive in Seattle you can drive anywhere.
///There is no third slashie.
 
2013-07-26 03:18:17 AM

Cybernetic: Orlando is also a ridiculous zoo when it comes to driving.   It's a noxious stew of senior citizens, college students, and tourists from all over the world.


I'll take Tampa over Orlando any day.
 
2013-07-26 03:21:01 AM
Boston.
 
2013-07-26 03:21:14 AM

Wall_of_Doodoo: Cewley: yep. you got your retirees driving 45 in the left lane of I-95 with their right blinkers on, your haitians driving all the cabs without ever learning any driving skills, and your hothead cubans who all think they drive like ayrton senna. add alcohol.

You've heard about this new thing we have called 'capitalization' right?


i689.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-26 03:22:15 AM
Driving in Tampa is like driving into a farking war zone.

You've got idiots in SUVs drifting into all lanes going 10 miles under the speed limit.
You've got people on cell phones accidentally driving into things.
You've got old guys in sports cars that are much too high spec for them being unable to control themselves and spinning their cars into freeway walls and onto sidewalks.
You've got stupid middle-aged women in minivans and Escalades who have no business driving a golf cart, let alone a vehicle weighing several thousand pounds.
You've got motorcyclists with no protective gear weaving in and out of lanes and traffic like farking idiots.

NONE of these groups give a single goddamn about pedestrians. Crosswalk lights? Fark that, just gun it, the poors can hop onto the median if they don't want to get hit. Somebody in the crosswalk? Honk at them. Bicycles? Terrorize them onto the sidewalk or clip them with your fender.

Time to get on the freeway? Better slow down and swerve onto the shoulder rather than speed up to match the pace of traffic! Turn signal? Completely optional. In Florida it is totally normal to cross three lanes of traffic from right lane to left lane with nary a turn signal given, then park yourself in the fast lane at precisely the speed limit and refuse to move. Also fark emergency vehicles in Florida. If an ambulance pulls up behind you, just change lanes and keep driving. And god help you if you see a pro-life license plate in the state of Florida, because it's nature's warning sign that you're about to enter the proximity of a person who is totally and completely incapable of driving and WILL, if you take your eyes off them for a SECOND, do something absolutely stupid that will probably get you/your car seriously damaged. Avoid these people like the plague.

When I'm driving in Tampa I literally cannot remove my attention from the road for more than five seconds or something will happen. Doesn't matter if I'm at a light, at a four-way stop, or in a goddamn parking lot. 4 out of every 5 drivers around you are functionally retarded or worse.
 
2013-07-26 03:22:31 AM

ZAZ: One notable escapee is San Diego, the city with the most drunk driving arrests.

Illegal aliens who can't (or don't) get licenses don't have insurance and don't file claims. That will skew the numbers. Mexicans legally visiting may have Mexican insurance and will not file claims here.


Actually, that statistic is from insurance.com, which logged folks calling in for insurance quotes. And apparently part of the cause is that San Diego has lots of tourists who get hammered, and California is actually really anal retentive about doing DUI checks.
 
2013-07-26 03:22:40 AM
After a million miles driven, I have to agree about Miami. But they completely missed St Louis which is my second worst. The intersection of 70 and 55 is insanity day or night.
 
2013-07-26 03:23:16 AM
Driving on 595 in Ft. Lauderdale during rush hour is enough to drive you to contemplate vehicular homicide.
 
2013-07-26 03:25:32 AM
Whenever I read a Dexter novel, there is always quite a bit of ink about the horrific driving habits of Miami residents.  Looks like art imitates life.
 
2013-07-26 03:26:01 AM

vinniethepoo: What, no Seattle?

/So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber.
//The locals used to say, if you can drive in Seattle you can drive anywhere.
///There is no third slashie.


I driven all over this country and I used to think Seattle had the worst drivers, and I was proud of the drivers where I come from, Silicon Valley, but the demographics have changed to quick and so many people have come into Silicon Valley from non-driving cultures, that I can now say without reservation that Silicon Valley has the worst drivers in the country.  I'll put them up against Miami any day.

I've driven in Miami, and yes there are dangerous drivers there, but at least they are somewhat predictable.  In Silicon Valley our non-driving farks are completely unpredictable...from slamming on their brakes with nothing in front of them, to stopping on a freeway on ramp, then trying to creep across 4 lanes of 75 MPH traffic at 20 MPH to get to the diamond lane, to accelerating into the back of the car in front of them for absolutely no reason except that they are non-driving farks.
 
2013-07-26 03:27:15 AM

vinniethepoo: What, no Seattle?

/So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber.
//The locals used to say, if you can drive in Seattle you can drive anywhere.
///There is no third slashie.


It's not actually difficult to drive in Seattle, at least not in an automatic. Drivers who are from Seattle are retarded, however. OMG SUN! OMG RAIN! OMG CLOUDS WITH NO RAIN OR SUN! I better drive 50 on the highway!!!!

Actually, last week I got stuck two cars behind some dumb biatch who drove 35 on the on ramp to Interstate 5, and then braked to 10 mph when she was actually merging for no reason. She nearly caused a four-car pile up as folks slammed on their brakes because she was gong 10 mph on the freeway. And then she proceeded to tailgate the dude in front of her.
 
2013-07-26 03:30:45 AM
I live in Tampa and drive for a living, so I'm really getting a kick....

But as many previous posters have mentioned, Orlando is far worse. Used to live just outside of DC, and I would say it places somewhere between Tampa and Orlando.
 
2013-07-26 03:31:50 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I have never even heard of the city 'Hialeah'. I thought this was a survey of major cities.


Hialeah has 231,941 residents according to Wiki, which puts it ahead of Baton Rouge, Boise, Birmingham, Richmond, Salt Lake City, Fort Lauderdale, Tempe, Chattanooga, Tallahassee, and a ton of other medium-sized cities. Just cause you've never heard of it...
 
2013-07-26 03:32:46 AM

vinniethepoo: What, no Seattle?

/So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber.
//The locals used to say, if you can drive in Seattle you can drive anywhere.
///There is no third slashie.


Seattle isn't really a place for "bad" drivers. Just ridiculously incompetent drivers.

You may ask, what the hell is the difference? Let me tell you.

An incompetent driver knows she is incompetent. She will take steps to compensate for her incompetence by driving slowly, stopping at every signal (even green ones), riding her brakes, and using the left-hand passing lane to avoid getting hit by cars entering the highway on the right. She will also take steps to drive in a courteous way by allowing cars stopped at stop signs to proceed through before her, even if she was there first.

This is not to say that she's completely focused on her incompetent driving at every moment in the car. On clear days, she'll hit the 520 from Seattle and slow down to 30mph to take in the beauty of Mt. Rainier and Lake Washington.

Seattle has a lot of incompetent drivers. If you understand this and take advantage of their incompetence, you'll find that driving in the Pacific Northwest a very pleasant experience.
 
2013-07-26 03:32:49 AM

Mike Chewbacca: vinniethepoo: What, no Seattle?

/So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber.
//The locals used to say, if you can drive in Seattle you can drive anywhere.
///There is no third slashie.

It's not actually difficult to drive in Seattle, at least not in an automatic. Drivers who are from Seattle are retarded, however. OMG SUN! OMG RAIN! OMG CLOUDS WITH NO RAIN OR SUN! I better drive 50 on the highway!!!!

Actually, last week I got stuck two cars behind some dumb biatch who drove 35 on the on ramp to Interstate 5, and then braked to 10 mph when she was actually merging for no reason. She nearly caused a four-car pile up as folks slammed on their brakes because she was gong 10 mph on the freeway. And then she proceeded to tailgate the dude in front of her.


Seattle's biggest issue is congestion. It is a beautiful city - can't even see the buildings for all the trees and greenspace. It has simply outgrown it's roadways. Some people panic in heavy traffic. I've seen what you described in every major city in the US.
 
2013-07-26 03:34:57 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I have never even heard of the city 'Hialeah'. I thought this was a survey of major cities.


It's just more of Miami.
 
2013-07-26 03:35:23 AM
I have also driven in Philly and Seattle. Seattle is nothing compared to these others. Now Philly doesn't so much have terrible drivers as it does terrible roads. Roads that are two way streets despite being about eight feet wide.
 
2013-07-26 03:36:45 AM
As someone who drives in San Francisco traffic, I call bullshiat!
 
2013-07-26 03:37:42 AM
Not surprised

I remember many many years ago (12? I was 17) we were on a family trip to Orlando, and we were going to Disney world, my father missed the exit and being the good hispanic driver he is... He put reverse on the highway (I4?), shat my pants.

And it's very common for hispanic tourists to do dumb driving crap.
 
2013-07-26 03:39:30 AM

KarmaSpork: Mike Chewbacca: vinniethepoo: What, no Seattle?

/So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber.
//The locals used to say, if you can drive in Seattle you can drive anywhere.
///There is no third slashie.

It's not actually difficult to drive in Seattle, at least not in an automatic. Drivers who are from Seattle are retarded, however. OMG SUN! OMG RAIN! OMG CLOUDS WITH NO RAIN OR SUN! I better drive 50 on the highway!!!!

Actually, last week I got stuck two cars behind some dumb biatch who drove 35 on the on ramp to Interstate 5, and then braked to 10 mph when she was actually merging for no reason. She nearly caused a four-car pile up as folks slammed on their brakes because she was gong 10 mph on the freeway. And then she proceeded to tailgate the dude in front of her.

Seattle's biggest issue is congestion. It is a beautiful city - can't even see the buildings for all the trees and greenspace. It has simply outgrown it's roadways. Some people panic in heavy traffic. I've seen what you described in every major city in the US.


Seattle has always had farked up traffic. Part of that is the terrain: big hills and lots of water everywhere. But a huge part of it is because the city planners were corrupt and/or incompetent. One of my Seattle friends once said that Seattle gets a bit of a pass from him regarding its traffic/public transit stupidity because it has to get Tacoma, Bellevue, and Redmond to agree with any changes. I laughed in his face and pointed out that DC has to get DC, VA, MD, and motherfarking Congress to agree to do anything, and yet they still manage to have one of the best public transit systems in our country. Meanwhile, Seattle's light rail goes a whopping 14 miles, and only runs between Downtown and the airport. Even San Diego's public transit goes from Mexico to Camp Pendleton, and then from Old Town to past Qualcomm, and then from Solana Beach to CSU San Marcos.
 
2013-07-26 03:41:52 AM

ubercracker: As someone who drives in San Francisco traffic, I call bullshiat!


You have no idea. I live in the Bay Area now, and I lived in the Miami area for about 10 years. SF is not even close. In Miami, every single thing on and near the road is a hazard.
 
2013-07-26 03:44:41 AM

Nunpoo: I have also driven in Philly and Seattle. Seattle is nothing compared to these others. Now Philly doesn't so much have terrible drivers as it does terrible roads. Roads that are two way streets despite being about eight feet wide.


Seattle drivers suck because they drive slowly regardless of the weather. The roads are farked up because WA doesn't have a state income tax and the city planners were too corrupt and/or stupid to plan properly. Parts of the city have their roads turned 45 degrees, because fark the guy planning the neighborhood next door. No, really, that's why that happened a lot in Seattle. The guys planning different neighborhoods didn't get along, so they'd plan their neighborhoods to intentionally fark with the guy planning the next neighborhood over. I highly recommend Sons of the Profits if you want to know more about Seattle's corrupt past.
 
2013-07-26 03:46:13 AM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Driving in Tampa is like driving into a farking war zone.

You've got idiots in SUVs drifting into all lanes going 10 miles under the speed limit.
You've got people on cell phones accidentally driving into things.
You've got old guys in sports cars that are much too high spec for them being unable to control themselves and spinning their cars into freeway walls and onto sidewalks.
You've got stupid middle-aged women in minivans and Escalades who have no business driving a golf cart, let alone a vehicle weighing several thousand pounds.
You've got motorcyclists with no protective gear weaving in and out of lanes and traffic like farking idiots.

NONE of these groups give a single goddamn about pedestrians. Crosswalk lights? Fark that, just gun it, the poors can hop onto the median if they don't want to get hit. Somebody in the crosswalk? Honk at them. Bicycles? Terrorize them onto the sidewalk or clip them with your fender.

Time to get on the freeway? Better slow down and swerve onto the shoulder rather than speed up to match the pace of traffic! Turn signal? Completely optional. In Florida it is totally normal to cross three lanes of traffic from right lane to left lane with nary a turn signal given, then park yourself in the fast lane at precisely the speed limit and refuse to move. Also fark emergency vehicles in Florida. If an ambulance pulls up behind you, just change lanes and keep driving. And god help you if you see a pro-life license plate in the state of Florida, because it's nature's warning sign that you're about to enter the proximity of a person who is totally and completely incapable of driving and WILL, if you take your eyes off them for a SECOND, do something absolutely stupid that will probably get you/your car seriously damaged. Avoid these people like the plague.

When I'm driving in Tampa I literally cannot remove my attention from the road for more than five seconds or something will happen. Doesn't matter if I'm at a light, at a four-way stop, ...


Only time I've ever been in serious danger in a car was in Florida, stuck with an elderly person driving, who decided to stop in the middle of a turn in a T intersection. And just... wait there. While a truck barreled straight toward me. By the time it was less than half a block away, he decided to resume turning and the other driver (thank you so much, random, competent driver) managed to dodge and pass around us. My driver did not notice any of this.

/saw the truck coming and realized I had to put my life in the other driver's hands
//even if I'd yelled "MOVE! There's a truck coming RIGHT AT ME" I'm not sure I would have been heard, definitely wouldn't have been a timely response
 
2013-07-26 03:46:23 AM
I'm shocked Boston and New York weren't in the top 5. Philly and Baltimore don't surprise me one bit.
 
2013-07-26 04:18:07 AM
Los Angeles is nice because people actually drive fast and don't behave like they want to be in traffic (unlike old people/shiatty drivers.) I guess they are better drivers because they have no choice. It takes skill to move that many cars during rush hour. I have to deal with drivers from NOLA, number sixteen on the list. The city of hit and runs!
 
2013-07-26 04:23:07 AM

thismomentinblackhistory: Sounds like FL should stop letting in people from Michigan.


Too late
 
2013-07-26 05:25:02 AM
Just nuke Miami...

You'll kill 2...MAYBE 3 Americans.
 
2013-07-26 05:30:31 AM

TanSau: Just nuke Miami...

You'll kill 2...MAYBE 3 Americans.


Wow that joke was hilarious in 1977.
 
2013-07-26 05:49:13 AM
No mention of Hampton Roads drivers and their inclination to do a brake check before entering a tunnel, even on the very rare occasion there is no traffic?
 
2013-07-26 06:01:00 AM
You should see the tourons in Pigeon Forge.  Hogging the middle and left lanes on the Parkway, slow to get moving when the light goes green, blowing multiple chances to turn right onto the Parkway from a traffic light/sign, etc.
 
2013-07-26 06:11:32 AM
This list utterly and completely fails without Norfolk/Hampton Roads VA, though in fairness some of that is due to the thoroughly farked up road layouts.
 
2013-07-26 06:15:33 AM

Mike Chewbacca: KarmaSpork: Mike Chewbacca: vinniethepoo: What, no Seattle?

/So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber.
//The locals used to say, if you can drive in Seattle you can drive anywhere.
///There is no third slashie.

It's not actually difficult to drive in Seattle, at least not in an automatic. Drivers who are from Seattle are retarded, however. OMG SUN! OMG RAIN! OMG CLOUDS WITH NO RAIN OR SUN! I better drive 50 on the highway!!!!

Actually, last week I got stuck two cars behind some dumb biatch who drove 35 on the on ramp to Interstate 5, and then braked to 10 mph when she was actually merging for no reason. She nearly caused a four-car pile up as folks slammed on their brakes because she was gong 10 mph on the freeway. And then she proceeded to tailgate the dude in front of her.

Seattle's biggest issue is congestion. It is a beautiful city - can't even see the buildings for all the trees and greenspace. It has simply outgrown it's roadways. Some people panic in heavy traffic. I've seen what you described in every major city in the US.

Seattle has always had farked up traffic. Part of that is the terrain: big hills and lots of water everywhere. But a huge part of it is because the city planners were corrupt and/or incompetent. One of my Seattle friends once said that Seattle gets a bit of a pass from him regarding its traffic/public transit stupidity because it has to get Tacoma, Bellevue, and Redmond to agree with any changes. I laughed in his face and pointed out that DC has to get DC, VA, MD, and motherfarking Congress to agree to do anything, and yet they still manage to have one of the best public transit systems in our country. Meanwhile, Seattle's light rail goes a whopping 14 miles, and only runs between Downtown and the airport. Even San Diego's public transit goes from Mexico to Camp Pendleton, and then from Old Town to past Qualcomm, and then from Solana Beach to CSU San Marcos.


You've never ridden Metro, friend... and buses aren't any better because they have to use the farkawful HOV system on 66/270/495... so... what system were you referring to?
 
2013-07-26 06:16:03 AM
Hate to say it but the factors used are entirely too objective.  TFA bases its criteria upon the following metrics:
- No. 1, years between traffic accidents;
- No. 2, automotive fatalities;
- No. 3, alcohol-related driving deaths; and
- No. 4, pedestrian strikes

Well, here's my attempt at a list of what makes driving a bad experience / the worst drivers:
- No. 1, quantity and degree of aggressive driving
- No. 2, volume of traffic compared to capacity of the roads
- No. 3, people who don't now how to drive in bad weather
- No. 4, whether or not I have to drive in it, particularly rush hour

Multiplying factor for #3: % of who think they do know how to drive in bad weather, or think their SUV or truck magically allows them to corner or brake faster/better.

On #4, for years I lived and worked in DC and I think the traffic and drivers are just fine.  But of the 2 jobs I had, one was off the Metro and the other was literally 2 blocks from where I lived.
 
2013-07-26 06:25:09 AM

Wodan11: Hate to say it but the factors used are entirely too objective.  TFA bases its criteria upon the following metrics:
- No. 1, years between traffic accidents;
- No. 2, automotive fatalities;
- No. 3, alcohol-related driving deaths; and
- No. 4, pedestrian strikes

Well, here's my attempt at a list of what makes driving a bad experience / the worst drivers:
- No. 1, quantity and degree of aggressive driving
- No. 2, volume of traffic compared to capacity of the roads
- No. 3, people who don't now how to drive in bad weather
- No. 4, whether or not I have to drive in it, particularly rush hour

Multiplying factor for #3: % of who think they do know how to drive in bad weather, or think their SUV or truck magically allows them to corner or brake faster/better.

On #4, for years I lived and worked in DC and I think the traffic and drivers are just fine.  But of the 2 jobs I had, one was off the Metro and the other was literally 2 blocks from where I lived.


I drive 40,000 miles a year in the DC area, and I can say with complete confidence... that it farking sucks.
 
2013-07-26 06:27:06 AM
Surprised they treated Hialeah as a separate entity from Miami, but does have it's own quirks.  Jaywalking is an art in South Florida.  Combined with the general Latin style of driving, it is like Death Race 2000.
 
2013-07-26 06:32:46 AM

Cybernetic: Orlando is also a ridiculous zoo when it comes to driving.   It's a noxious stew of senior citizens, college students, and tourists from all over the world.


With completely inadequate streets.

Yeah, I shudder every time I go there.
 
2013-07-26 06:39:52 AM
San Diego. Only the self-absorbed idiots that live in that town can manage to rack up 200 accidents in 45 minutes of light rain. God save me if it snows 0.10".

/hurray TDYs!
 
2013-07-26 06:46:07 AM
If you look at a map, and draw a line south from the Dakotas to central Texas....I've driven through most every place east of that line.

Bar none, without even a bit of hesitation, the worst drivers are in Florida. Only Hotlanta has worse traffic, and that's by time, not retard drivers.

The worst part is these farkers from new england, that got a DL when Nixon was a cub, lived in the city for 45 years, move down here in retirement and buy a shiny new SUV Land-Yacht complete with it own roof-mounted helicopter landing pad.

Add in the overmedicated bluehairs, the tourists, and the illegals that refuse to read signs in english, and you have...well....Miami traffic.
 
2013-07-26 07:05:47 AM
Houston, Chicago and San Diego should at least get dishonorable mentions.
 
2013-07-26 07:43:36 AM

skinink: Boston.


Ayup
 
2013-07-26 07:46:29 AM
First, a caveat. There hasn't yet been a convincing ranking of cities with the worst drivers, because reliable data is hard to come by. There's no clearinghouse for statistics on bad driving based on uniform methodology for every city. This effort will involve compromises and educated guesses, along with a healthy dose of personal opinion.

So why write the article?  Oh yeah, click-thrus from dolts.
 
2013-07-26 07:49:33 AM
Anywhere in MA.

The biggest issue was the lack of planning before building roadways. There are now several huge cities that only have a few tiny one or two lane roads that connect them to the highway. There are also roads wide enough for two lanes but are designated for one (I feel bad for non locals who are caught up in that). Or you do have two lanes but without warning one lane becomes a mandatory turn lane or merges.

It's a farking free for all. My commute to work is 18 miles. It takes 45 minutes minimum because of the crazy city traffic. A third of that time is spent on a two mile stretch in the city. Once I'm out two miles, I'm on backroads the rest of the way (because f u 495)
 
2013-07-26 07:50:21 AM
It's been about 20 years or so but I always liked driving in NYC. Anything goes, considering you're packed like pickles.
 
2013-07-26 07:51:16 AM
Pffft.  All rank amateurs compared to cities outside the USA such as Milan, Paris, Rome, and anywhere on the Asian sub-continent..  You have no idea how safe those listed five cities look by comparison.
 
2013-07-26 07:54:36 AM
As a Tampon, I agree with others here that Orlando is far worse, but the issue with the #10 in pedestrian accidents lies 99% with the pedestrians in this city.  No one here has any idea what a farking cross walk is.  Panhandlers are also given free rein to walk out in traffic at lights as long as they are wearing a vest and pimping their homeless new rag.  Not a day goes by when I am driving where I won't see someone crossing the street against the light, or outside a crosswalk or just standing in the middle of the farking road for no damn reason.
 
2013-07-26 07:56:24 AM
I've driven in all these places.  I think it goes Philly, Boston, Miami, Baltimore, Tampa.  I refuse to drive in the top three on that list if I can avoid it.  While the Bostonians may get into fewer accidents, which is what dropped them on the official survey, that's just because they've all learned how to cope with the chronic farktardery of their neighbors.
 
2013-07-26 08:08:47 AM
With all the drivers I see that do some weird stuff like appear to being stoned out of their minds while they drive and a red light runner that gave me the closest call I ever had without an accident just two days ago, I am surprised not to be on the list.  However I will take it because I can't afford the insurance hike like a coworker recently got dealt.  He moved a few miles crossing town lines and raised his rates nearly doubled.  The town he moved into has a chronic problem of folks who can't figure out a four way stop and drive 55 mph regardless what road they are on (including a 35 road with a school).  His commute is shorter but it drives him just bonkers lately.
 
2013-07-26 08:09:46 AM

Wall_of_Doodoo: ecmoRandomNumbers: Wall_of_Doodoo: Cewley: yep. you got your retirees driving 45 in the left lane of I-95 with their right blinkers on, your haitians driving all the cabs without ever learning any driving skills, and your hothead cubans who all think they drive like ayrton senna. add alcohol.

You've heard about this new thing we have called 'capitalization' right?

Also, I've lived in Baltimore right off of North Avenue and some of the driving I've seen is truely mind boggling. I also work in a clinic that does a lot of PI work and some of the stories I've heard, also mind boggling.

Baltimore is truely a special, special place.

If you're going to correct somebody's cpitalization, you should learn how to spell "truly."

Truly.

Hey dude, that's what it autocorrected to. I'm a science guy, I gotta remember how to spell 'levator scapulae', 'Gluteus medius', 'splanchnic ganglion', etc, etc. I leave the plebe words you people use to my phone and libtards like you cause it never comes up in the real world. 'Truely' vs 'truly'? Lionel Ritchie gets it, I don't really care. Figure it out, there Dostevski, a letter added or taken away, you've already taken down Dan Quayle for adding an 'e' to a word, your schtick is old.


Dear Science Guy,

Can you spell doosh?
 
2013-07-26 08:16:48 AM

vbob: Wall_of_Doodoo: ecmoRandomNumbers: Wall_of_Doodoo: Cewley: yep. you got your retirees driving 45 in the left lane of I-95 with their right blinkers on, your haitians driving all the cabs without ever learning any driving skills, and your hothead cubans who all think they drive like ayrton senna. add alcohol.

You've heard about this new thing we have called 'capitalization' right?

Also, I've lived in Baltimore right off of North Avenue and some of the driving I've seen is truely mind boggling. I also work in a clinic that does a lot of PI work and some of the stories I've heard, also mind boggling.

Baltimore is truely a special, special place.

If you're going to correct somebody's cpitalization, you should learn how to spell "truly."

Truly.

Hey dude, that's what it autocorrected to. I'm a science guy, I gotta remember how to spell 'levator scapulae', 'Gluteus medius', 'splanchnic ganglion', etc, etc. I leave the plebe words you people use to my phone and libtards like you cause it never comes up in the real world. 'Truely' vs 'truly'? Lionel Ritchie gets it, I don't really care. Figure it out, there Dostevski, a letter added or taken away, you've already taken down Dan Quayle for adding an 'e' to a word, your schtick is old.

Dear Science Guy,

Can you spell doosh?


or Dostoyevsky, for that matter?
 
2013-07-26 08:22:00 AM

vbob: Wall_of_Doodoo: ecmoRandomNumbers: Wall_of_Doodoo: Cewley: yep. you got your retirees driving 45 in the left lane of I-95 with their right blinkers on, your haitians driving all the cabs without ever learning any driving skills, and your hothead cubans who all think they drive like ayrton senna. add alcohol.

You've heard about this new thing we have called 'capitalization' right?

Also, I've lived in Baltimore right off of North Avenue and some of the driving I've seen is truely mind boggling. I also work in a clinic that does a lot of PI work and some of the stories I've heard, also mind boggling.

Baltimore is truely a special, special place.

If you're going to correct somebody's cpitalization, you should learn how to spell "truly."

Truly.

Hey dude, that's what it autocorrected to. I'm a science guy, I gotta remember how to spell 'levator scapulae', 'Gluteus medius', 'splanchnic ganglion', etc, etc. I leave the plebe words you people use to my phone and libtards like you cause it never comes up in the real world. 'Truely' vs 'truly'? Lionel Ritchie gets it, I don't really care. Figure it out, there Dostevski, a letter added or taken away, you've already taken down Dan Quayle for adding an 'e' to a word, your schtick is old.

Dear Science Guy,

Can you spell doosh?


I have an old t-shirt that reads " I are a scientist, not an english major", does Wall_of_Doodoo want it?  It does have the word 'mad' added in because I like catching things on fire and scaring the neighbors.
 
2013-07-26 08:25:06 AM
I once heard (unconfirmed) that the Florida Highway Patrol posts rookies in the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area for experience, before they are reassigned elsewhere.  Made sense, based on my personal experiences driving down there.  Not much worse than the Atlanta freeways, though.
 
2013-07-26 08:41:14 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I have never even heard of the city 'Hialeah'. I thought this was a survey of major cities.


Brown people.

Lots and lots of brown people.
 
2013-07-26 08:44:06 AM
List fails without St. Louis.  They have the most 4 way stops in the world and the way they are navigated is you come up to one and you slow down.  If there are people who beat you to the intersection then they go first then you go once you've slowed down to maybe 5 mph.  But you better go quickly or the people coming the other direction will hit you at 5 mph.

But yeah, Miami and Fort Lauderdale are both interesting places to drive.  I went down there with a co-worker and he was cowering in the front seat and I was driving with one hand on the horn.  Need to make a right turn but you are in the left turn lane?  Not a problem, just do it.

The worst pedestrian prize goes to Montreal though.  I had a green light and was about 2 mm behind the car in front of me and they were still trying to squeeze through.
 
2013-07-26 08:46:18 AM

fatalvenom: AverageAmericanGuy: I have never even heard of the city 'Hialeah'. I thought this was a survey of major cities.

Brown people.

Lots and lots of brown people.


Do they have oil?

I'm just asking questions here.
 
2013-07-26 08:55:40 AM
Try riding a motorcycle in New Orleans. The drivers aren't malicious like those in Miami and other cities; they're farking drunk. You have to remember that unabashed drinking is part of the culture here. You can order a vodka tonic with your breakfast and no one judges you. Drinking on the street is legal and even convenience stores and delis sell hard liquor, 24/7.

Armed with this knowledge, you become something of a Road Jedi. Even if the driver you're next to hasn't done anything wrong, yet, something sets your Spidey sense off and you hang back. Sure enough, 12 seconds later the asshole veers into your lane because he's trying to pick up the beer he spilled on the floorboard.

On the plus side, New Orleans isn't a particularly angry town unless you're a drug dealer. I'd rather deal with drunks I can identify than people who just flat-out lose their sh*t for no reason.
 
2013-07-26 08:58:17 AM

Confabulat: AverageAmericanGuy: I have never even heard of the city 'Hialeah'. I thought this was a survey of major cities.

Hialeah has 231,941 residents according to Wiki, which puts it ahead of Baton Rouge, Boise, Birmingham, Richmond, Salt Lake City, Fort Lauderdale, Tempe, Chattanooga, Tallahassee, and a ton of other medium-sized cities. Just cause you've never heard of it...


So it looks like it's part of Miami to me.   That's crap that it is on the list twice.
 
2013-07-26 09:00:45 AM

TheGreatGazoo: List fails without St. Louis.  They have the most 4 way stops in the world and the way they are navigated is you come up to one and you slow down.  If there are people who beat you to the intersection then they go first then you go once you've slowed down to maybe 5 mph.  But you better go quickly or the people coming the other direction will hit you at 5 mph.

But yeah, Miami and Fort Lauderdale are both interesting places to drive.  I went down there with a co-worker and he was cowering in the front seat and I was driving with one hand on the horn.  Need to make a right turn but you are in the left turn lane?  Not a problem, just do it.

The worst pedestrian prize goes to Montreal though.  I had a green light and was about 2 mm behind the car in front of me and they were still trying to squeeze through.


I'll third this, since St Louis was mentioned upthread too.  I used to live there, and it's a farking nonsensical madhouse.  I thought Chicago was bad, then moved to St Louis, I was blessed in Chicago.  But, I thought St Louis was bad, then I drove in Atlanta.  OMG.

I'm not arguing the Miami/Boston/Philly route, as I've never driven there. I've only driven to the airport in Pittsburgh, and that's pretty easy.
 
2013-07-26 09:29:49 AM
Miami is bad but Atlanta is much worse.
 
2013-07-26 09:46:11 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: fatalvenom: AverageAmericanGuy: I have never even heard of the city 'Hialeah'. I thought this was a survey of major cities.

Brown people.

Lots and lots of brown people.

Do they have oil?

I'm just asking questions here.


The other kind of brown people.

The "took our yobs" type.
 
2013-07-26 09:58:00 AM

KidneyStone: Miami is bad but Atlanta is much worse.


Miami doesn't have as much traffic from all over, going in all directions.  Saw two wrecks trying to get through there this summer.  One had traffic on 85 stopped completely for about 14 miles.  Thank goodness I was going the other way.

/Love the combined freeway entrance and exit kamikaze lanes they have there, too
 
2013-07-26 09:59:40 AM
Hey, cut the Miami drivers some slack on the pedestrian strikes.  I've driven in Miami before and I didn't see people using crosswalks once.  If pedestrians are going to walk into oncoming traffic then they have it coming.
 
2013-07-26 10:25:32 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: vinniethepoo: What, no Seattle?

/So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber.
//The locals used to say, if you can drive in Seattle you can drive anywhere.
///There is no third slashie.

Seattle isn't really a place for "bad" drivers. Just ridiculously incompetent drivers.

You may ask, what the hell is the difference? Let me tell you.

An incompetent driver knows she is incompetent. She will take steps to compensate for her incompetence by driving slowly, stopping at every signal (even green ones), riding her brakes, and using the left-hand passing lane to avoid getting hit by cars entering the highway on the right. She will also take steps to drive in a courteous way by allowing cars stopped at stop signs to proceed through before her, even if she was there first.

This is not to say that she's completely focused on her incompetent driving at every moment in the car. On clear days, she'll hit the 520 from Seattle and slow down to 30mph to take in the beauty of Mt. Rainier and Lake Washington.

Seattle has a lot of incompetent drivers. If you understand this and take advantage of their incompetence, you'll find that driving in the Pacific Northwest a very pleasant experience.


"She"?

Misogynistic much, you douchetastic jackwagon? Not *ALL* of us female drivers in Seattle are "incompetent". I was raised in the South  - if you can drive in Atl. or Memphis you can certainly drive in Seattle. People here actually let you into traffic! I find driving here to be much better than driving in Memphis, where they take trying to merge as a challenge & will speed up & not let you in or try to shoot you.

The rain thing *is* a mystery though....it rains like 290 days out of the year here. *WHY* aren't people used to it by now?
 
2013-07-26 10:31:11 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: I have never even heard of the city 'Hialeah'. I thought this was a survey of major cities.

From Hialeah:

www.heykcsb.com

/Hawt like FL.
 
2013-07-26 10:37:26 AM

Mike Chewbacca: KarmaSpork: Mike Chewbacca: vinniethepoo: What, no Seattle?

/So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber.
//The locals used to say, if you can drive in Seattle you can drive anywhere.
///There is no third slashie.

It's not actually difficult to drive in Seattle, at least not in an automatic. Drivers who are from Seattle are retarded, however. OMG SUN! OMG RAIN! OMG CLOUDS WITH NO RAIN OR SUN! I better drive 50 on the highway!!!!

Actually, last week I got stuck two cars behind some dumb biatch who drove 35 on the on ramp to Interstate 5, and then braked to 10 mph when she was actually merging for no reason. She nearly caused a four-car pile up as folks slammed on their brakes because she was gong 10 mph on the freeway. And then she proceeded to tailgate the dude in front of her.

Seattle's biggest issue is congestion. It is a beautiful city - can't even see the buildings for all the trees and greenspace. It has simply outgrown it's roadways. Some people panic in heavy traffic. I've seen what you described in every major city in the US.

Seattle has always had farked up traffic. Part of that is the terrain: big hills and lots of water everywhere. But a huge part of it is because the city planners were corrupt and/or incompetent. One of my Seattle friends once said that Seattle gets a bit of a pass from him regarding its traffic/public transit stupidity because it has to get Tacoma, Bellevue, and Redmond to agree with any changes. I laughed in his face and pointed out that DC has to get DC, VA, MD, and motherfarking Congress to agree to do anything, and yet they still manage to have one of the best public transit systems in our country. Meanwhile, Seattle's light rail goes a whopping 14 miles, and only runs between Downtown and the airport. Even San Diego's public transit goes from Mexico to Camp Pendleton, and then from Old Town to past Qualcomm, and then from Solana Beach to CSU San Marcos.


You can blame Doc Maynard, David Swinson, Arthur Denny & Carson Boren for that.  Dumbasses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_layout_of_Seattle
 
2013-07-26 10:49:56 AM

Confabulat: AverageAmericanGuy: I have never even heard of the city 'Hialeah'. I thought this was a survey of major cities.

Hialeah has 231,941 residents according to Wiki, which puts it ahead of Baton Rouge, Boise, Birmingham, Richmond, Salt Lake City, Fort Lauderdale, Tempe, Chattanooga, Tallahassee, and a ton of other medium-sized cities. Just cause you've never heard of it...



I had never heard of it either. I thought it funny TFA singled out Tampa for a state label, but made no mention of where the other cities were.
 
2013-07-26 11:10:06 AM

skinnycatullus: Only some of it was from lost tourists looking for Disney, too.


How do you get lost looking for Disney? It takes up half the farking middle of the state.
 
2013-07-26 11:13:58 AM
I go to Florida on vacation yearly. The little town we stay in is has everything within one square mile (LBTS), so we walk everywhere for those 10 days for the most part.  BUT, my Grandmother is in a nursing home about 20 miles away and I have to drive there and it is unnerving.  Driving in Florida is truly scary.
 
2013-07-26 11:16:17 AM

fatalvenom: AverageAmericanGuy: I have never even heard of the city 'Hialeah'. I thought this was a survey of major cities.

Brown people.

Lots and lots of brown people.


And no Ingles.
 
2013-07-26 11:17:11 AM

casey17: "She"?

Misogynistic much, you douchetastic jackwagon? Not *ALL* of us female drivers in Seattle are "incompetent".


Sorry! I didn't mean to single out women. I was just using the gender indefinite 'she' rather than the possibly sexist 'he'.
 
2013-07-26 11:19:55 AM

KidneyStone: Miami is bad but Atlanta is much worse.


Have extensive experience in both.  Miami wins on shear insanity of the drivers. Stop signs are only a suggestion.

Of course, in NOLA, you can have your car (not you) shot for running a red light.
 
2013-07-26 11:27:15 AM
Boston has improved a lot in the past 30 years.  It used to be "the car with the worst paint goes first" rule.  It's far more civilized these days.
 
2013-07-26 11:35:52 AM
SoupJohnB:
/Love the combined freeway entrance and exit kamikaze lanes they have there, too

WTF is UP with that?  We have those here too.  And they aren't long enough, and expect traffic to get on and off using basically the same space at the same time.  GAH!
 
2013-07-26 11:55:24 AM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: SoupJohnB:
/Love the combined freeway entrance and exit kamikaze lanes they have there, too

WTF is UP with that?  We have those here too.  And they aren't long enough, and expect traffic to get on and off using basically the same space at the same time.  GAH!


My guess is that they were designed by traffic engineers back in the 50's, when the US Interstate System was being designed and constructed.  For 50's people driving 50's cars and trucks.
 
2013-07-26 11:59:03 AM

SoupJohnB: Satan's Bunny Slippers: SoupJohnB:
/Love the combined freeway entrance and exit kamikaze lanes they have there, too

WTF is UP with that?  We have those here too.  And they aren't long enough, and expect traffic to get on and off using basically the same space at the same time.  GAH!

My guess is that they were designed by traffic engineers back in the 50's, when the US Interstate System was being designed and constructed.  For 50's people driving 50's cars and trucks.


I can see that in the original design, but here they just last year completed a 7 year/multi million $$/real PITA project downtown to redo all the interstate access, new tunnels, overpasses, moved some ramps....AND THEY DID IT THE SAME FARKING WAY AGAIN!

(Not yelling at you.....just frustrated)
 
2013-07-26 11:59:24 AM
*checks link to see if hometown made the list*

Yep. I-76 is the seventh circle of hell.
 
2013-07-26 12:03:29 PM
Tampa resident here, list has it right. Tampa is pretty bad but Miami is far worse. Orlando is pretty bad as well.
 
2013-07-26 12:23:04 PM
I have deduced people in cities are toxic and their bite is septic. Therefore I moved far away from these pestilent hell holes called 'cities'.

Only bad traffic I get caught up in is ...

www.quincyca.org
 
2013-07-26 12:34:44 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: SoupJohnB: Satan's Bunny Slippers: SoupJohnB:
/Love the combined freeway entrance and exit kamikaze lanes they have there, too

WTF is UP with that?  We have those here too.  And they aren't long enough, and expect traffic to get on and off using basically the same space at the same time.  GAH!

My guess is that they were designed by traffic engineers back in the 50's, when the US Interstate System was being designed and constructed.  For 50's people driving 50's cars and trucks.

I can see that in the original design, but here they just last year completed a 7 year/multi million $$/real PITA project downtown to redo all the interstate access, new tunnels, overpasses, moved some ramps....AND THEY DID IT THE SAME FARKING WAY AGAIN!

(Not yelling at you.....just frustrated)


Yeah, that's pretty farked up.  Must have put in the low bid with the DOT.
 
2013-07-26 12:36:09 PM
No California cities, no Memphrica, No DFW-LBJ?

I gotta call BS.

/Memphis traffic was so bad that I had to get airlifted to the Med, on a MONDAY at 3PM
//rush hour isn't until 5-6PM.
 
2013-07-26 12:44:00 PM

SoupJohnB: Must have put in the low bid with the DOT.


Nope, what happened was they realized that making the system up-to-technology would cost them tons more money, so they opted for a simple widening and re-paving.

/worked for a concrete company in Memphis
//this is how we made our money, by getting you to think you were getting improvements
///it's all a scam if they don't rebuild the entirety of the roadway and lengthen/split merge/exit lanes.
 
2013-07-26 12:49:52 PM
There are bad drivers (skills) and then there are the reckless, rude, confrontational types.

I would pick A over B anyday of the week. I guess what I'm retrying to say is IF I would rather pick, I'd prefer the Asian grandma with slow reflexes and bad eyesight over the 3 guys in the gold trimmed  El Camino with blaring music, drives like they own the road... running stop signs, lights etc.

there are bad drivers and then there are BAD drivers.
 
2013-07-26 01:09:20 PM

KarmaSpork: After a million miles driven, I have to agree about Miami. But they completely missed St Louis which is my second worst. The intersection of 70 and 55 is insanity day or night.


No way. St. Louis isn't good at all but there's no way to build a Top 5 list and not have Miami, Orlando and Tampa area on the top of it. Then throw in the insanity that's Washington DC and Los Angeles and you've got my top 5.

But I won't deny St. Louis shouldn't be in the top 10.

/Waaaay too many farking stop signs in this city.
 
2013-07-26 01:18:55 PM

nathanjr: DC is only 16th? I've lived in Florida and DC, and I think DC drivers are just as bad, if not worse.


THIS.  I've lived in Philadelphia and Baltimore, and I think DC drivers are far worse as well.  I suspect it comes from the fact that the DC population is more riddled with people from disparate regions of the US than most cities. Nobody knows what anybody else is doing.



styckx:
In Jersey they are kings of sitting in the passing lane going slower then everyone else,


The problem is, they're trying to turn left, and don't know that they need to be in the right lane to do it.  Y'all with your jughandles and what-not.

SoupJohnB: /Love the combined freeway entrance and exit kamikaze lanes they have there, too


Maryland is full of these as well, and they're all insanely short.  They really separate the decisive from the indecisive.

lollipophead: Bad drivers in Maryland are everywhere. I drive in NYC, LA, and DC to relax and escape Maryland drivers.


One thing I noticed living in Baltimore, after living in Philly:  In PA and NJ, the "slower traffic keep right on the highway" rule is pounded into people much harder than in MD.  I could be wrong, but I don't think MD even has an explicit law about passing on the left.  If there is one, I don't think most of them know about it.

Mike Chewbacca: they still manage to have one of the best public transit systems in our country.


Not really.  It looks pretty, but large parts of it are shut down or single-tracked a significant portion of the time.  I'll take the filthy NY subway over the DC metro any day.
 
2013-07-26 01:33:07 PM

Z-clipped: nathanjr: DC is only 16th? I've lived in Florida and DC, and I think DC drivers are just as bad, if not worse.

THIS.  I've lived in Philadelphia and Baltimore, and I think DC drivers are far worse as well.  I suspect it comes from the fact that the DC population is more riddled with people from disparate regions of the US than most cities. Nobody knows what anybody else is doing.

styckx: In Jersey they are kings of sitting in the passing lane going slower then everyone else,

The problem is, they're trying to turn left, and don't know that they need to be in the right lane to do it.  Y'all with your jughandles and what-not.

SoupJohnB: /Love the combined freeway entrance and exit kamikaze lanes they have there, too

Maryland is full of these as well, and they're all insanely short.  They really separate the decisive from the indecisive.

lollipophead: Bad drivers in Maryland are everywhere. I drive in NYC, LA, and DC to relax and escape Maryland drivers.

One thing I noticed living in Baltimore, after living in Philly:  In PA and NJ, the "slower traffic keep right on the highway" rule is pounded into people much harder than in MD.  I could be wrong, but I don't think MD even has an explicit law about passing on the left.  If there is one, I don't think most of them know about it.

Mike Chewbacca: they still manage to have one of the best public transit systems in our country.

Not really.  It looks pretty, but large parts of it are shut down or single-tracked a significant portion of the time.  I'll take the filthy NY subway over the DC metro any day.


Sometime in the 1990s I think I was more likely passed on the right in Maryland than the left, it has gotten better.
I still can't imagine Baltimore being worse than DC (I'm thinking mostly 695 vs. 495, don't drive in either city if you can help it).  Although I did notice that two of the "worst bridges in America" were on 695.

And yes, multiple driving styles (i.e. everywhere in the world, and often only having been here a few years) leads to disaster.  Also, a quick way to tell DC drivers apart.  MD: completely unaware of other cars.  VA: completely aware of other cars and absolutely determined to get ahead of all of them.  No idea of Baltimore drivers (haven't lived there for 20 years).
 
2013-07-26 02:41:36 PM
Link fuxx0red.

Where else was on the list?
 
2013-07-26 02:51:38 PM

Shadow Blasko: This list does not include Dublin, OH... so it can not be correct.


What's the deal with greater Columbus generally with the thing where people feel like, after a light turns green, it's rude to take less than a mile to get up to speed. I've never been in a place before where people more infuriatingly drive under the speed limit. The speed limit on Henderson Rd. is 50 MPH, and I frequently encounter some numbnut who thinks its appropriate to go 38 in the left lane. Very, very strange. I've never seen this anywhere else I have lived.
 
2013-07-26 02:58:17 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Seattle drivers (snip)


I've driven in most places in the United States and Canada and currently live in Seattle, the only thing I have noticed that is remarkable about Seattle traffic is how much native Seattle-ites like to talk about it.  I find the actual driving relatively sedate and well-mannered.

There are some congestion issues because of wide lanes, carpool-only lanes and unusually wide shoulders, most of the slowdowns on the major freeways could be prevented with paint alone. There are many abnormal road patterns because of the large number of steep hills with associated rivers and canyons.

But compared to Toronto or Montreal drivers, Seattle drivers are a bunch of pussies. I haven't seen a single pickup truck put two wheels up on a jersey barrier to pass a motorcycle yet.
 
2013-07-26 03:26:10 PM
Am I the only one who had to google "Hialeah" to find out where it was?
 
2013-07-26 04:22:11 PM

Fancourt: Mike Chewbacca: Seattle drivers (snip)

I've driven in most places in the United States and Canada and currently live in Seattle, the only thing I have noticed that is remarkable about Seattle traffic is how much native Seattle-ites like to talk about it.  I find the actual driving relatively sedate and well-mannered.

There are some congestion issues because of wide lanes, carpool-only lanes and unusually wide shoulders, most of the slowdowns on the major freeways could be prevented with paint alone. There are many abnormal road patterns because of the large number of steep hills with associated rivers and canyons.

But compared to Toronto or Montreal drivers, Seattle drivers are a bunch of pussies. I haven't seen a single pickup truck put two wheels up on a jersey barrier to pass a motorcycle yet.


I've always thought Seattle drivers were pretty good. The traffic jams there are gawd-awful, but I don't mind the drivers one bit.
 
2013-07-26 06:05:29 PM

casey17: AverageAmericanGuy: vinniethepoo: What, no Seattle?

/So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber.
//The locals used to say, if you can drive in Seattle you can drive anywhere.
///There is no third slashie.

Seattle isn't really a place for "bad" drivers. Just ridiculously incompetent drivers.

You may ask, what the hell is the difference? Let me tell you.

An incompetent driver knows she is incompetent. She will take steps to compensate for her incompetence by driving slowly, stopping at every signal (even green ones), riding her brakes, and using the left-hand passing lane to avoid getting hit by cars entering the highway on the right. She will also take steps to drive in a courteous way by allowing cars stopped at stop signs to proceed through before her, even if she was there first.

This is not to say that she's completely focused on her incompetent driving at every moment in the car. On clear days, she'll hit the 520 from Seattle and slow down to 30mph to take in the beauty of Mt. Rainier and Lake Washington.

Seattle has a lot of incompetent drivers. If you understand this and take advantage of their incompetence, you'll find that driving in the Pacific Northwest a very pleasant experience.

"She"?

Misogynistic much, you douchetastic jackwagon? Not *ALL* of us female drivers in Seattle are "incompetent". I was raised in the South  - if you can drive in Atl. or Memphis you can certainly drive in Seattle. People here actually let you into traffic! I find driving here to be much better than driving in Memphis, where they take trying to merge as a challenge & will speed up & not let you in or try to shoot you.

The rain thing *is* a mystery though....it rains like 290 days out of the year here. *WHY* aren't people used to it by now?


If you're from the south and living here, you don't qualify as a Seattle driver. You just drive in Seattle.

/Wish there were more like you
//Took a road trip to Spokane, and recorded every bad driving example we could find.
///8 out of 10 were done by women, sorry that's the numbers we saw.
 
2013-07-27 12:54:18 AM

Z-clipped: THIS.  I've lived in Philadelphia and Baltimore, and I think DC drivers are far worse as well.  I suspect it comes from the fact that the DC population is more riddled with people from disparate regions of the US than most cities. Nobody knows what anybody else is doing.


... and this is the biggest problem.  Every other area has its own set of bad driving habits.  NJ's residents can't turn left.  AR's use the right shoulder as a right turn lane.  Baltimore's drivers think that the shoulder is for going around stopped traffic, then cutting in front of them.

Here in DC, we get a little bit of all of the above.  When you can't predict the next guy's crazy, it's much harder to avoid it.
 
2013-07-27 10:21:04 AM

Hoban Washburne: I've heard all of the horror stories of Miami, but I've actually driven in Tampa.  Holy fark, it's awful.  I can't imagine Miami.


Miami is beautiful.  Tampa is a piece of shiat.  quite literally
 
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