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2013-07-26 11:27:15 AM
Boston has improved a lot in the past 30 years.  It used to be "the car with the worst paint goes first" rule.  It's far more civilized these days.
 
2013-07-26 11:35:52 AM
SoupJohnB:
/Love the combined freeway entrance and exit kamikaze lanes they have there, too

WTF is UP with that?  We have those here too.  And they aren't long enough, and expect traffic to get on and off using basically the same space at the same time.  GAH!
 
2013-07-26 11:55:24 AM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: SoupJohnB:
/Love the combined freeway entrance and exit kamikaze lanes they have there, too

WTF is UP with that?  We have those here too.  And they aren't long enough, and expect traffic to get on and off using basically the same space at the same time.  GAH!


My guess is that they were designed by traffic engineers back in the 50's, when the US Interstate System was being designed and constructed.  For 50's people driving 50's cars and trucks.
 
2013-07-26 11:59:03 AM

SoupJohnB: Satan's Bunny Slippers: SoupJohnB:
/Love the combined freeway entrance and exit kamikaze lanes they have there, too

WTF is UP with that?  We have those here too.  And they aren't long enough, and expect traffic to get on and off using basically the same space at the same time.  GAH!

My guess is that they were designed by traffic engineers back in the 50's, when the US Interstate System was being designed and constructed.  For 50's people driving 50's cars and trucks.


I can see that in the original design, but here they just last year completed a 7 year/multi million $$/real PITA project downtown to redo all the interstate access, new tunnels, overpasses, moved some ramps....AND THEY DID IT THE SAME FARKING WAY AGAIN!

(Not yelling at you.....just frustrated)
 
2013-07-26 11:59:24 AM
*checks link to see if hometown made the list*

Yep. I-76 is the seventh circle of hell.
 
2013-07-26 12:03:29 PM
Tampa resident here, list has it right. Tampa is pretty bad but Miami is far worse. Orlando is pretty bad as well.
 
2013-07-26 12:23:04 PM
I have deduced people in cities are toxic and their bite is septic. Therefore I moved far away from these pestilent hell holes called 'cities'.

Only bad traffic I get caught up in is ...

www.quincyca.org
 
2013-07-26 12:34:44 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: SoupJohnB: Satan's Bunny Slippers: SoupJohnB:
/Love the combined freeway entrance and exit kamikaze lanes they have there, too

WTF is UP with that?  We have those here too.  And they aren't long enough, and expect traffic to get on and off using basically the same space at the same time.  GAH!

My guess is that they were designed by traffic engineers back in the 50's, when the US Interstate System was being designed and constructed.  For 50's people driving 50's cars and trucks.

I can see that in the original design, but here they just last year completed a 7 year/multi million $$/real PITA project downtown to redo all the interstate access, new tunnels, overpasses, moved some ramps....AND THEY DID IT THE SAME FARKING WAY AGAIN!

(Not yelling at you.....just frustrated)


Yeah, that's pretty farked up.  Must have put in the low bid with the DOT.
 
2013-07-26 12:36:09 PM
No California cities, no Memphrica, No DFW-LBJ?

I gotta call BS.

/Memphis traffic was so bad that I had to get airlifted to the Med, on a MONDAY at 3PM
//rush hour isn't until 5-6PM.
 
2013-07-26 12:44:00 PM

SoupJohnB: Must have put in the low bid with the DOT.


Nope, what happened was they realized that making the system up-to-technology would cost them tons more money, so they opted for a simple widening and re-paving.

/worked for a concrete company in Memphis
//this is how we made our money, by getting you to think you were getting improvements
///it's all a scam if they don't rebuild the entirety of the roadway and lengthen/split merge/exit lanes.
 
2013-07-26 12:49:52 PM
There are bad drivers (skills) and then there are the reckless, rude, confrontational types.

I would pick A over B anyday of the week. I guess what I'm retrying to say is IF I would rather pick, I'd prefer the Asian grandma with slow reflexes and bad eyesight over the 3 guys in the gold trimmed  El Camino with blaring music, drives like they own the road... running stop signs, lights etc.

there are bad drivers and then there are BAD drivers.
 
2013-07-26 01:09:20 PM

KarmaSpork: After a million miles driven, I have to agree about Miami. But they completely missed St Louis which is my second worst. The intersection of 70 and 55 is insanity day or night.


No way. St. Louis isn't good at all but there's no way to build a Top 5 list and not have Miami, Orlando and Tampa area on the top of it. Then throw in the insanity that's Washington DC and Los Angeles and you've got my top 5.

But I won't deny St. Louis shouldn't be in the top 10.

/Waaaay too many farking stop signs in this city.
 
2013-07-26 01:18:55 PM

nathanjr: DC is only 16th? I've lived in Florida and DC, and I think DC drivers are just as bad, if not worse.


THIS.  I've lived in Philadelphia and Baltimore, and I think DC drivers are far worse as well.  I suspect it comes from the fact that the DC population is more riddled with people from disparate regions of the US than most cities. Nobody knows what anybody else is doing.



styckx:
In Jersey they are kings of sitting in the passing lane going slower then everyone else,


The problem is, they're trying to turn left, and don't know that they need to be in the right lane to do it.  Y'all with your jughandles and what-not.

SoupJohnB: /Love the combined freeway entrance and exit kamikaze lanes they have there, too


Maryland is full of these as well, and they're all insanely short.  They really separate the decisive from the indecisive.

lollipophead: Bad drivers in Maryland are everywhere. I drive in NYC, LA, and DC to relax and escape Maryland drivers.


One thing I noticed living in Baltimore, after living in Philly:  In PA and NJ, the "slower traffic keep right on the highway" rule is pounded into people much harder than in MD.  I could be wrong, but I don't think MD even has an explicit law about passing on the left.  If there is one, I don't think most of them know about it.

Mike Chewbacca: they still manage to have one of the best public transit systems in our country.


Not really.  It looks pretty, but large parts of it are shut down or single-tracked a significant portion of the time.  I'll take the filthy NY subway over the DC metro any day.
 
2013-07-26 01:33:07 PM

Z-clipped: nathanjr: DC is only 16th? I've lived in Florida and DC, and I think DC drivers are just as bad, if not worse.

THIS.  I've lived in Philadelphia and Baltimore, and I think DC drivers are far worse as well.  I suspect it comes from the fact that the DC population is more riddled with people from disparate regions of the US than most cities. Nobody knows what anybody else is doing.

styckx: In Jersey they are kings of sitting in the passing lane going slower then everyone else,

The problem is, they're trying to turn left, and don't know that they need to be in the right lane to do it.  Y'all with your jughandles and what-not.

SoupJohnB: /Love the combined freeway entrance and exit kamikaze lanes they have there, too

Maryland is full of these as well, and they're all insanely short.  They really separate the decisive from the indecisive.

lollipophead: Bad drivers in Maryland are everywhere. I drive in NYC, LA, and DC to relax and escape Maryland drivers.

One thing I noticed living in Baltimore, after living in Philly:  In PA and NJ, the "slower traffic keep right on the highway" rule is pounded into people much harder than in MD.  I could be wrong, but I don't think MD even has an explicit law about passing on the left.  If there is one, I don't think most of them know about it.

Mike Chewbacca: they still manage to have one of the best public transit systems in our country.

Not really.  It looks pretty, but large parts of it are shut down or single-tracked a significant portion of the time.  I'll take the filthy NY subway over the DC metro any day.


Sometime in the 1990s I think I was more likely passed on the right in Maryland than the left, it has gotten better.
I still can't imagine Baltimore being worse than DC (I'm thinking mostly 695 vs. 495, don't drive in either city if you can help it).  Although I did notice that two of the "worst bridges in America" were on 695.

And yes, multiple driving styles (i.e. everywhere in the world, and often only having been here a few years) leads to disaster.  Also, a quick way to tell DC drivers apart.  MD: completely unaware of other cars.  VA: completely aware of other cars and absolutely determined to get ahead of all of them.  No idea of Baltimore drivers (haven't lived there for 20 years).
 
2013-07-26 02:41:36 PM
Link fuxx0red.

Where else was on the list?
 
2013-07-26 02:51:38 PM

Shadow Blasko: This list does not include Dublin, OH... so it can not be correct.


What's the deal with greater Columbus generally with the thing where people feel like, after a light turns green, it's rude to take less than a mile to get up to speed. I've never been in a place before where people more infuriatingly drive under the speed limit. The speed limit on Henderson Rd. is 50 MPH, and I frequently encounter some numbnut who thinks its appropriate to go 38 in the left lane. Very, very strange. I've never seen this anywhere else I have lived.
 
2013-07-26 02:58:17 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Seattle drivers (snip)


I've driven in most places in the United States and Canada and currently live in Seattle, the only thing I have noticed that is remarkable about Seattle traffic is how much native Seattle-ites like to talk about it.  I find the actual driving relatively sedate and well-mannered.

There are some congestion issues because of wide lanes, carpool-only lanes and unusually wide shoulders, most of the slowdowns on the major freeways could be prevented with paint alone. There are many abnormal road patterns because of the large number of steep hills with associated rivers and canyons.

But compared to Toronto or Montreal drivers, Seattle drivers are a bunch of pussies. I haven't seen a single pickup truck put two wheels up on a jersey barrier to pass a motorcycle yet.
 
2013-07-26 03:26:10 PM
Am I the only one who had to google "Hialeah" to find out where it was?
 
2013-07-26 04:22:11 PM

Fancourt: Mike Chewbacca: Seattle drivers (snip)

I've driven in most places in the United States and Canada and currently live in Seattle, the only thing I have noticed that is remarkable about Seattle traffic is how much native Seattle-ites like to talk about it.  I find the actual driving relatively sedate and well-mannered.

There are some congestion issues because of wide lanes, carpool-only lanes and unusually wide shoulders, most of the slowdowns on the major freeways could be prevented with paint alone. There are many abnormal road patterns because of the large number of steep hills with associated rivers and canyons.

But compared to Toronto or Montreal drivers, Seattle drivers are a bunch of pussies. I haven't seen a single pickup truck put two wheels up on a jersey barrier to pass a motorcycle yet.


I've always thought Seattle drivers were pretty good. The traffic jams there are gawd-awful, but I don't mind the drivers one bit.
 
2013-07-26 06:05:29 PM

casey17: AverageAmericanGuy: vinniethepoo: What, no Seattle?

/So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber.
//The locals used to say, if you can drive in Seattle you can drive anywhere.
///There is no third slashie.

Seattle isn't really a place for "bad" drivers. Just ridiculously incompetent drivers.

You may ask, what the hell is the difference? Let me tell you.

An incompetent driver knows she is incompetent. She will take steps to compensate for her incompetence by driving slowly, stopping at every signal (even green ones), riding her brakes, and using the left-hand passing lane to avoid getting hit by cars entering the highway on the right. She will also take steps to drive in a courteous way by allowing cars stopped at stop signs to proceed through before her, even if she was there first.

This is not to say that she's completely focused on her incompetent driving at every moment in the car. On clear days, she'll hit the 520 from Seattle and slow down to 30mph to take in the beauty of Mt. Rainier and Lake Washington.

Seattle has a lot of incompetent drivers. If you understand this and take advantage of their incompetence, you'll find that driving in the Pacific Northwest a very pleasant experience.

"She"?

Misogynistic much, you douchetastic jackwagon? Not *ALL* of us female drivers in Seattle are "incompetent". I was raised in the South  - if you can drive in Atl. or Memphis you can certainly drive in Seattle. People here actually let you into traffic! I find driving here to be much better than driving in Memphis, where they take trying to merge as a challenge & will speed up & not let you in or try to shoot you.

The rain thing *is* a mystery though....it rains like 290 days out of the year here. *WHY* aren't people used to it by now?


If you're from the south and living here, you don't qualify as a Seattle driver. You just drive in Seattle.

/Wish there were more like you
//Took a road trip to Spokane, and recorded every bad driving example we could find.
///8 out of 10 were done by women, sorry that's the numbers we saw.
 
2013-07-27 12:54:18 AM

Z-clipped: THIS.  I've lived in Philadelphia and Baltimore, and I think DC drivers are far worse as well.  I suspect it comes from the fact that the DC population is more riddled with people from disparate regions of the US than most cities. Nobody knows what anybody else is doing.


... and this is the biggest problem.  Every other area has its own set of bad driving habits.  NJ's residents can't turn left.  AR's use the right shoulder as a right turn lane.  Baltimore's drivers think that the shoulder is for going around stopped traffic, then cutting in front of them.

Here in DC, we get a little bit of all of the above.  When you can't predict the next guy's crazy, it's much harder to avoid it.
 
2013-07-27 10:21:04 AM

Hoban Washburne: I've heard all of the horror stories of Miami, but I've actually driven in Tampa.  Holy fark, it's awful.  I can't imagine Miami.


Miami is beautiful.  Tampa is a piece of shiat.  quite literally
 
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