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(KTLA Los Angeles)   Two women ignore downed power lines to rescue driver after violent crash. Just kidding, they were electrocuted and killed and now the driver is facing 2 counts of manslaughter   (ktla.com) divider line 109
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2013-07-26 03:50:44 PM

JohnnyApocalypse: I followed the link provided in the first article to another with more info.
http://www.glendalenewspress.com/news/tn-gnp-me-driver-can-be-tried- fo r-manslaughter-in-crash-that-caused-two-deaths-20130724,0,5985196.stor y

It seems that this happened at night. Being at night, the people involved may not have been able to see how the danger manifested. It wasn't a power line, it was a light pole. That means the electricity throughput came from a less visible source near the pole's base. The responders probably could see the water, but may have inferred that he had simply hit a pole.

It is beaten into some people's heads about downed power lines, but there were no power lines to worry about. Instead, it was from a relatively hidden source. People who want to help rush quickly to accidents, and it would take someone there to stop everyone and force them to look to check for that electric hazard.

By driving recklessly, the defendant set up an OBSCURED death trap. Did he mean to? No. That's why it's negligent manslaughter.

I was gonna jump on his reaction in the second article, but I followed up on google and see that he does express remorse, so he's not an utter tool. Just dumb.

Interestingly, he entered a plea of not guilty... last November. I guess it has taken this long for the trial to start.


It happened just as it started getting dark, but the shade from the trees that the driver ended up under probably made things look a lot darker.

Accident site:

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2013-07-26 03:54:58 PM

JohnnyApocalypse: It seems that this happened at night. Being at night, the people involved may not have been able to see how the danger manifested. It wasn't a power line, it was a light pole. That means the electricity throughput came from a less visible source near the pole's base. The responders probably could see the water, but may have inferred that he had simply hit a pole.

It is beaten into some people's heads about downed power lines, but there were no power lines to worry about. Instead, it was from a relatively hidden source. People who want to help rush quickly to accidents, and it would take someone there to stop everyone and force them to look to check for that electric hazard.


This is a good point. Google maps has this:

www.photo-host.org

So yeah, most people have had it drilled into their heads not to go near power lines, or even broken/downed poles, but most wouldn't think twice about approaching an accident where that lightpost was knocked over.

I guess it'll be up to the jury to decide, ultimately.
 
2013-07-26 04:06:25 PM

ongbok: JustGetItRight: ongbok: And I agree with his lawyer on this when he said that they should have known the dangers of downed power lines. It is pounded in our heads over and over never to approach downed power lines.

People get tunnel vision.  Watching out for downed lines and other hazards are things beat into the heads of emergency responders in training and you've still got to watch out for someone focusing on the incident and not seeing that line laying in the street.

The average civilian's training is Louie the lightning bug.  He/she isn't likely to remember that in the heat of the moment.

People in my town must better trained than the average person. Last summer after a bad storm we had a downed power line on a fairly busy street. When that power line hit the ground the people cleared out like it was the plague. That street went from being filled with people to being completely empty in minutes and stayed empty until the power company came and cleared everything up.


It's the tunnel vision that gets them.  In your example, the storm damaged line was the central focus so everybody noticed it ran.  In this incident, the central focus was the car crash and the desire of the bystanders to check on the driver without checking for other threats.
 
2013-07-26 04:31:53 PM

Bathia_Mapes: According to this article he was speeding and lost control, which is what caused him to slam into the light pole and fire hydrant.

So, not so much being charged for being stupid, but driving so fast that he lost control of his vehicle.


Yes, but that's an excessive speed and/or reckless driving charge, not BAAAAWWWW DEAD PEOPLE SO MURDER CHARGES charge.

What kind of Darwin Award nominee sees downed power wires and steps in the nearby puddle?
 
2013-07-26 05:05:06 PM
Not everyone can be a George Zimmerman-esque hero. It's way vigilante heroes like Zimmerman shouldn't be looked to as role models.
 
2013-07-26 06:02:05 PM

Vector R: Bathia_Mapes: According to this article he was speeding and lost control, which is what caused him to slam into the light pole and fire hydrant.

So, not so much being charged for being stupid, but driving so fast that he lost control of his vehicle.

Yes, but that's an excessive speed and/or reckless driving charge, not BAAAAWWWW DEAD PEOPLE SO MURDER CHARGES charge.

What kind of Darwin Award nominee sees downed power wires and steps in the nearby puddle?


If you actually read the thread, there's a pretty clear explanation about the fact that there were no power lines or even utility poles. There're even pictures for the hard of thinking. If people die as a direct result of your reckless behavior, manslaughter charges are not inappropriate
 
2013-07-26 08:16:43 PM

The.anti-Larry: If it happened in Florida the driver could shoot the would-be rescuers and say that he felt threatened by them.




I don't think you can do that, if I understand the law properly.
 
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