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(KTLA Los Angeles)   Two women ignore downed power lines to rescue driver after violent crash. Just kidding, they were electrocuted and killed and now the driver is facing 2 counts of manslaughter   (ktla.com) divider line 109
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-25 08:14:16 PM  
There was a case in Massachusetts where a passenger stepped out of a crashed car and was electrocuted. The driver was charged with homicide and pleaded guilty to DUI and negligent driving instead. (story)
 
2013-07-25 08:24:35 PM  
I see that prosecutors have now found a way to accuse people of stupidity.

/nevermind that the stupidity is equally shared among several victims.
 
2013-07-25 10:57:10 PM  
I have to go with the defendant on this one. This is not a reasonably foreseeable occurrence.
 
2013-07-25 11:36:31 PM  
How in the hell is a driver of a crashed car responsible for the actions of Darwin?
 
2013-07-25 11:40:32 PM  
Insane logic indeed
 
2013-07-25 11:44:51 PM  
According to this article he was speeding and lost control, which is what caused him to slam into the light pole and fire hydrant.

So, not so much being charged for being stupid, but driving so fast that he lost control of his vehicle.
 
2013-07-25 11:47:38 PM  
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"There, but by the grace of God, go I"
 
2013-07-25 11:55:34 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: According to this article he was speeding and lost control, which is what caused him to slam into the light pole and fire hydrant.

So, not so much being charged for being stupid, but driving so fast that he lost control of his vehicle.


Yeah, but it's a royal stretch to assume that death by electrocution is a foreseeable occurrence caused by negligence while operating a motor vehicle.

The press will probably set this up as some grand challenge and then when the guy gets off make people angry because the law isn't written the way they want it to be.
 
2013-07-25 11:56:51 PM  

SilentStrider: How in the hell is a driver of a crashed car responsible for the actions of Darwin?



Oh, but it doesn't stop there.

Word has it that the driver is also being sued by the half brother of the future father-in-law of the former fiancee of one of First Responders for the untimely death of his Goldfish.


/Damages for the death of his Guppy are being filed separately, of course
 
2013-07-26 12:48:40 AM  
Just kidding, they were electrocuted and killed

Redundant headline is redundant.
 
2013-07-26 01:08:14 AM  

BKITU: Just kidding, they were electrocuted and killed

Redundant headline is redundant.



I'm SHOCKED that someone hadn't pointed this out earlier.
 
2013-07-26 01:43:40 AM  

Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: According to this article he was speeding and lost control, which is what caused him to slam into the light pole and fire hydrant.

So, not so much being charged for being stupid, but driving so fast that he lost control of his vehicle.

Yeah, but it's a royal stretch to assume that death by electrocution is a foreseeable occurrence caused by negligence while operating a motor vehicle.


I agree.  They approached the car of their own free will, and while their deaths are tragic, he shouldn't be held criminally liable for them.
 
2013-07-26 01:47:42 AM  
I don't understand how shiat like this can even happen with all the technology we have these days. If I drop a hair dryer in my tub the ground fault circuit trips within a fraction of a second keeping me from getting electrocuted, why can't power lines have a similar system?
 
2013-07-26 04:26:58 AM  

BKITU: Just kidding, they were electrocuted and killed

Redundant headline is redundant.


A bunch of people were electrocuted but not killed, if you actually read TFA.
 
2013-07-26 05:17:25 AM  
It happened last summer. I thought the driver had already been charged with manslaughter. I'm surprised that it took this long.

/slightly creeped out because I drove past the crash site yesterday
 
2013-07-26 05:40:02 AM  
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F*cking Valley Village.
 
2013-07-26 05:53:59 AM  
Lesson to be learned: If you're a kindhearted person who suffered because you tried to help somebody, sue that person for damages. If you rape a person because you were horny (or you "crave" power), sue your victim as well because you wouldn't have done it if they weren't around to begin with.
 
2013-07-26 06:01:13 AM  
I believe it was the two women who got charged here.
 
2013-07-26 06:01:20 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: According to this article he was speeding and lost control, which is what caused him to slam into the light pole and fire hydrant.

So, not so much being charged for being stupid, but driving so fast that he lost control of his vehicle.

Yeah, but it's a royal stretch to assume that death by electrocution is a foreseeable occurrence caused by negligence while operating a motor vehicle.

I agree.  They approached the car of their own free will, and while their deaths are tragic, he shouldn't be held criminally liable for them.


And I agree with his lawyer on this when he said that they should have known the dangers of downed power lines. It is pounded in our heads over and over never to approach downed power lines.
 
2013-07-26 06:06:48 AM  
Obviously, the problem here is the 'sports utility vehicle', otherwise known as an SUV.  The on-the-spot reporter made that clear.  When you drive one of these things (or when they drive themselves), murder is bound to happen.
 
2013-07-26 06:08:12 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: Obviously, the problem here is the 'sports utility vehicle', otherwise known as an SUV.  The on-the-spot reporter made that clear.  When you drive one of these things (or when they drive themselves), murder is bound to happen.


I'd hate to see what you're like in gun threads.
 
2013-07-26 06:09:15 AM  
Have you had time for any other threads yet?
 
2013-07-26 06:13:28 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: According to this article he was speeding and lost control, which is what caused him to slam into the light pole and fire hydrant.

So, not so much being charged for being stupid, but driving so fast that he lost control of his vehicle.

Yeah, but it's a royal stretch to assume that death by electrocution is a foreseeable occurrence caused by negligence while operating a motor vehicle.

I agree.  They approached the car of their own free will, and while their deaths are tragic, he shouldn't be held criminally liable for them.


Losing control of a car while speeding and bystanders being killed is a foreseeable risk of driving too fast. Whether he hit them directly or they died trying to help him after the crash, it was still his actions that caused their deaths, so I can understand it being taken to court to let a jury decide whether criminal sanctions should apply in this case.
 
2013-07-26 06:13:39 AM  
I realize this is a slightly older occurrence, but is there some sort of "two women dying in a freakish way" trifecta in play here? Is the next article gonna be two women dying in a fire after their houseboat crashes into a propane barge?
 
2013-07-26 06:17:47 AM  
Arman Samsonian of Glendale slammed his sport utility vehicle into a light pole ....


All you people who complain about articles which say things like "The SUV slammed into a light pole...." should be very relieved at the wording here.

I agree that 2 felony charges of vehicular manslaughter are an overreach though.
 
2013-07-26 06:23:09 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: According to this article he was speeding and lost control, which is what caused him to slam into the light pole and fire hydrant.

So, not so much being charged for being stupid, but driving so fast that he lost control of his vehicle.


No, he's being charged for nothing he actually did. He may have been stupid, but he didn't ask anyone to rescue him. I don't care if a dozen people died trying to get him out of the car; he isn't responsible for their deaths.
 
2013-07-26 06:24:06 AM  
I love it when people say..."Oh, I have been electrocuted quite a few times doing...."  I like to say, you know you can only be electrocuted once....
 
2013-07-26 06:34:25 AM  
The guy was speeding, like double the speed limit, and passing traffic in a middle turn lane, all because he was impatient to get to the gym.
Driving that recklessly, a car accident with possible death of bystanders IS a reasonable foreseeable occurence.  That the deaths were actually a secondary occurence of the crash (death by electrocution from the downed power lines) rather than from blunt force injuries of the primary collision is really the only thing being argued here.  The guy is still incredibly negligent, and his actions started a series of events that led to the deaths.  One might have some more sympathy if he had been rushing to the hospital in a life-or-death situation like a dying child in the front seat, but this @$$hole was just late for a gym workout.  Hope there's a nice gym in the prison.
 
2013-07-26 06:35:22 AM  

HotWingAgenda: BKITU: Just kidding, they were electrocuted and killed

Redundant headline is redundant.

A bunch of people were electrocuted but not killed, if you actually read TFA.


Electrocuted means "killed by electric shock."

They are being kinda smarmy.
 
2013-07-26 06:43:21 AM  

Wall_of_Doodoo: ZAZ: There was a case in Massachusetts where a passenger stepped out of a crashed car and was electrocuted. The driver was charged with homicide and pleaded guilty to DUI and negligent driving instead. (story)

So the theme of both stories is basically 'Young people do incredibly stupid things when they're behind the wheel'. I can agree with this whole heartedly. Also late 80's Depeche Mode music was really awesome.


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2013-07-26 06:44:41 AM  

Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: According to this article he was speeding and lost control, which is what caused him to slam into the light pole and fire hydrant.

So, not so much being charged for being stupid, but driving so fast that he lost control of his vehicle.

Yeah, but it's a royal stretch to assume that death by electrocution is a foreseeable occurrence caused by negligence while operating a motor vehicle.

The press will probably set this up as some grand challenge and then when the guy gets off make people angry because the law isn't written the way they want it to be.


{StopLettingPeopleGoFreeWhoISayAreGuilty.jpg}

/can't find an un-memed pic of that kid
 
2013-07-26 06:45:02 AM  
Trees brush power lines, and we get an outage. Where the hell were the in-line fuses?
 
2013-07-26 06:47:05 AM  

BKITU: Just kidding, they were electrocuted and killed

Redundant headline is redundant.


I'd have gone with  Electrocuted and killed to death.

Would that be better?
 
2013-07-26 06:51:40 AM  

HotWingAgenda: BKITU: Just kidding, they were electrocuted and killed

Redundant headline is redundant.

A bunch of people were electrocuted but not killed, if you actually read TFA.


electrocuted  = Dead
electrocuted  but not killed = Shocked
 
2013-07-26 06:55:17 AM  

GoldDude: The guy was speeding, like double the speed limit, and passing traffic in a middle turn lane, all because he was impatient to get to the gym.


You sure they got the right guy?

www.mbird.com
 
2013-07-26 06:55:55 AM  
How many dead bodies do you need to see around an electrified pool of water before you stop and think "Maybe I shouldn't walk over there?"
 
2013-07-26 06:58:20 AM  

BKITU: Just kidding, they were electrocuted and killed

Redundant headline is redundant.


It is possible to be electrocuted (killed by electric shock) and be technically dead (lack of vital signs) but then be resuscitated by paramedics.
So it is possible to survive an electrocution.
Perhaps you would have preferred :electrocuted and permanently killed"?
 
2013-07-26 06:58:41 AM  

Lsherm: Yeah, but it's a royal stretch to assume that death by electrocution is a foreseeable occurrence caused by negligence while operating a motor vehicle.


Haven't you noticed the trend? These days the prosecution always charges you with every crime they can possibly think of then goes for the plea-bargain.

"You're looking at two counts of manslaughter, son. That's 20000000 years in maximum security. But ... if you plead guilty I can get it down to 3. It's up to you..."

(plus I can keep on bragging about how I've "never lost a case!")
 
2013-07-26 07:06:52 AM  
"Two women ignore downed power lines to rescue driver after violent crash. Just kidding..."

No, they really did ignore downed power lines to rescue the driver after a violent crash. Although it didn't quite work out like that, their intention was still to rescue the driver and they did ignore downed power lines to do so.
 
2013-07-26 07:25:32 AM  
Now that's goddamn ridiculous.
 
2013-07-26 07:27:02 AM  

HotWingAgenda: BKITU: Just kidding, they were electrocuted and killed

Redundant headline is redundant.

A bunch of people were electrocuted but not killed, if you actually read TFA.


Reading is hard.
 
2013-07-26 07:32:29 AM  
I dunno, sunny. Seems to me the women did ignore the power lines.
 
2013-07-26 07:39:30 AM  
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2013-07-26 07:43:16 AM  

ongbok: And I agree with his lawyer on this when he said that they should have known the dangers of downed power lines. It is pounded in our heads over and over never to approach downed power lines.


People get tunnel vision.  Watching out for downed lines and other hazards are things beat into the heads of emergency responders in training and you've still got to watch out for someone focusing on the incident and not seeing that line laying in the street.

The average civilian's training is Louie the lightning bug.  He/she isn't likely to remember that in the heat of the moment.

As far as any safetys go, I'm sure more informed farkers can add detail but there are breakers.  The thing is, you can't ever assume the line's dead.  IIRC, sometimes lines will go dead only to get re-energized as the system tries to see if the problem is self-resolving (say a squirrel committing suicide or other temporary problem).  In short, you can't trust that the line is dead until the guy from the power company tells you it is dead.

And based on the story as written, the charge is a huge overreach.  I would have no problem if the guy had been drunk or engaged in some other activity that could have warranted arrest, but speeding?  That's a bridge too far.

Proper remedy would be a civil claim.
 
2013-07-26 07:45:15 AM  

IlGreven: Bathia_Mapes: According to this article he was speeding and lost control, which is what caused him to slam into the light pole and fire hydrant.

So, not so much being charged for being stupid, but driving so fast that he lost control of his vehicle.

No, he's being charged for nothing he actually did. He may have been stupid, but he didn't ask anyone to rescue him. I don't care if a dozen people died trying to get him out of the car; he isn't responsible for their deaths.


When you place yourself in peril through your negligent actions and people come to your rescue, you should be responsible for what happens to them. This is not a new idea and has been around for a while.
 
2013-07-26 08:00:37 AM  

Cerwin3302: Trees brush power lines, and we get an outage. Where the hell were the in-line fuses?




Curse you, squirells!
 
2013-07-26 08:02:43 AM  
Shouldn't the electric company be held liable? They have the same rights as people now. They should have the same responsibilities. A good lawyer will argue that there is technology that would cut the power if something happens to the lines. Or they can cite the thousands of miles of underground power lines that don't harm innocent rescuers. The electric company had to know that running 40000 volts through electric lines right next to a road way was risky. Yet they chose to do nothing about it.
 
2013-07-26 08:04:41 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Shouldn't the electric company be held liable? They have the same rights as people now. They should have the same responsibilities. A good lawyer will argue that there is technology that would cut the power if something happens to the lines. Or they can cite the thousands of miles of underground power lines that don't harm innocent rescuers. The electric company had to know that running 40000 volts through electric lines right next to a road way was risky. Yet they chose to do nothing about it.


Agreed.  The power lines are clearly at fault.
 
2013-07-26 08:11:29 AM  

Bslim: HotWingAgenda: BKITU: Just kidding, they were electrocuted and killed

Redundant headline is redundant.

A bunch of people were electrocuted but not killed, if you actually read TFA.

Reading is hard.


No, speaking proper English is hard.
In English electrocution means death by electric shock. The people who did not die were shocked, they were not electrocuted.

/English as a fourth language, and even I knew this.
 
2013-07-26 08:14:44 AM  
I have no problem with this. He was driving like an asshole and lost control of his vehicle. Which caused two people to die who were attempting to help him. Even though he didn't HIT them with his vehicle, his actions caused two deaths.
 
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