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(Talking Points Memo)   People: you've passed legislation establishing a state religion, allowed 13-year-olds to be put in adult prison, and snuck through insane anti-abortion measures. Are you through? North Carolina Republicans: CHALLENGE ACCEPTED   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 61
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2013-07-25 07:19:51 PM  
10 votes:
People keep asking "I thought North Carolina was smarter than this?" and I would pose this as an answer, and I hope that my experiences as a Louisiana resident would inform this somewhat (sorry for Jindal btw).

It doesn't matter if the population at large does not care about the policies or actively hate them, if right thinking people willingly remove themselves from the political process on a long term basis, regardless of the reasoning why, then only the ardent will vote.

What happened in North Carolina was a more extreme version of what happened writ-large in the country in 2010, a lot of Democratic supporters went soft and the Republican supporters went all in. The Tea Party wave hit so hard in NC that Bev Purdue was almost irrelevant as a governor.

At some point, if you want to see liberal or moderate-liberal policies in place, you  MUST vote that way in every election you can, all the way down to the proverbial dog catcher.

If you want the government to be what you think it should be, then farking act like it.
2013-07-25 05:41:05 PM  
7 votes:
The world needs Bill Hicks now more than ever.
2013-07-25 06:34:51 PM  
6 votes:

ArkAngel: Mentat: I see no way this cunning plan could fail.

Because people who would shoot up a playground are the type to follow the existing law?


It's not about "existing law" or "self-defense" or any of the other tropes that are hauled out.  It's about creating a culture of fear and then selling the solution to that fear: lots and lots of guns.

I've lived in and traveled to a lot of places and there have been a lot of times I've found myself in sketchy parts of town.  Despite that, I've never been mugged, robbed, carjacked, assaulted, or in any way abused, nor have I ever fired anything more powerful than a paintgun.  There may come a time in my life where that changes and I feel I need a weapon to protect myself, but that time hasn't come yet.  If I've managed to go for almost 40 years without needing a weapon to protect myself, maybe it means that America isn't the hellish post-liberal apocalypse the right portrays it as.
2013-07-25 06:19:28 PM  
6 votes:
Cripes, the past week North Carolina has been signing into law everything your drunk uncle said at that one family reunion.
2013-07-25 07:27:11 PM  
5 votes:

Granny_Panties: You get what you vote for. I don't feel a bit of pity for them. On the other hand I live in Wisconsin and I have Scott Walker, who I didn't vote for. So maybe I feel some pity for all 10 people in NC that don't vote straight ticket GOP.


Actually a large number of the people in North Carolina did not vote for this. The state is so gerrymandered that most of these guys are safe no matter how the vote falls. This is done on the national level, too. More people actually voted for Democrats for the House of Representatives, but gerrymandering saved the Republican control of the House.
2013-07-25 06:19:27 PM  
5 votes:
Republicans: Saving children from abortion so they can die playing tag.
2013-07-25 06:12:08 PM  
5 votes:
North Carolina continues to be a prime example of why the Onion gave up and went home.
2013-07-25 05:28:35 PM  
5 votes:

FlashHarry: this sounds like it would mix well with a stand your ground type law.


They'll regret it when some black kid gets caught on a playground carrying a gun.
2013-07-25 08:00:10 PM  
4 votes:
I have never understood America's obscene obsession over guns.  The whole point of the 2nd amendment was to overthrow a tyrannical government, and over the course of 200+ years a well regulated militia is now defined as a single person secretly hiding his/her gun, which he/she may have bought w/o a background check at a gun show.
2013-07-25 06:57:16 PM  
4 votes:

MinkeyMan: I here and now swear if I ever become rich, I going to start a charity aimed at arming the unemployed. Automatics, explosives, armored vehicles, body armor whatever they can legally get. And free training in the best use there of.


That's not gonna scare them. This does.

img.wonkette.com
2013-07-25 06:50:16 PM  
4 votes:
Marijuana is illegal and you will go to jail in most states sitting in your living room in your underwear smoking a joint.

In North Carolina you can have a loaded, concealed handgun party at a bar and a loaded, concealed gun reception at a children's playground. Completely legal.

Still can't smoke a joint there, though.

Logic. Republicans have mastered it.
2013-07-25 08:04:32 PM  
3 votes:

Almost Everybody Poops: I have never understood America's obscene obsession over guns.  The whole point of the 2nd amendment was to overthrow a tyrannical government, and over the course of 200+ years a well regulated militia is now defined as a single person secretly hiding his/her gun, which he/she may have bought w/o a background check at a gun show.


It was more intended to fight invading armies (as a 'well-regulated militia' was all they had in terms of a military at the time). The 2nd Amendment became obsolete when we formed a permanent military.
2013-07-25 07:42:22 PM  
3 votes:
STOP VOTING THESE IDIOTS INTO OFFICE!
2013-07-25 06:18:49 PM  
3 votes:
What happened to you, North Carolina? You used to be cool.
2013-07-25 06:17:48 PM  
3 votes:
You get what you vote for. I don't feel a bit of pity for them. On the other hand I live in Wisconsin and I have Scott Walker, who I didn't vote for. So maybe I feel some pity for all 10 people in NC that don't vote straight ticket GOP.
2013-07-25 07:58:46 PM  
2 votes:

JAGChem82: Now, organized black people marching with guns in their communities


Honestly that would freak me out.  I like guns, but in the same way I like Thai food.  I'm not going to go to a meeting about Thai food, or go to a Thai food rally, but if one of my friends wants to go get some noodles count me in.
2013-07-25 07:06:40 PM  
2 votes:
It's almost as if they're trying to see how far they can push before someone calls them on their bullshiat. Oh. And they hate children too, apparently.
2013-07-25 06:58:33 PM  
2 votes:

MinkeyMan: I here and now swear if I ever become rich, I going to start a charity aimed at arming the unemployed. Automatics, explosives, armored vehicles, body armor whatever they can legally get. And free training in the best use there of.

I'm sure the NRA and GOP will fully support my efforts.


Koch Brothers did it, and used the Jesus people to clear the way.

/NC is their petrie dish
2013-07-25 06:52:42 PM  
2 votes:
I here and now swear if I ever become rich, I going to start a charity aimed at arming the unemployed. Automatics, explosives, armored vehicles, body armor whatever they can legally get. And free training in the best use there of.

I'm sure the NRA and GOP will fully support my efforts.
2013-07-25 06:42:19 PM  
2 votes:
I am so glad I don't live in certain other parts of the country.  It's like you've got your first-world welcome to the 21st century good parts and then your third-world welcome to Jesus-loving shiathole parts.
2013-07-25 06:37:28 PM  
2 votes:

DarwiOdrade: What happened to you, North Carolina? You used to be cool.


They voted for the blah guy and the state GOP is going to punish them for it.
2013-07-25 06:34:55 PM  
2 votes:

MisterLoki: The fark is going on down there?


Punishment for having voted for Obama in 2008.
2013-07-25 06:34:35 PM  
2 votes:
North Carolina: "We're sick of Florida getting all the attention!"
2013-07-25 06:25:30 PM  
2 votes:
LOL, I just read the article. Guns, guns, everywhere. To pre-empt particular gun nuts who get butthurt whenever this comes up, I certainly hope having a barrel to stroke while watching the kids at the playground starts putting a dent in child molestation cases in NC.
2013-07-25 06:24:22 PM  
2 votes:
The fark is going on down there?
2013-07-25 06:23:11 PM  
2 votes:

DarwiOdrade: What happened to you, North Carolina? You used to be cool.


I got friends who love NC and live in NC and are absolutely gobsmacked that it's come to this. They took pride in being the smarter Carolina for so long, and yet here we are.
2013-07-26 01:46:09 PM  
1 votes:

Whiskey Pete: Firethorn: The difficulty to this is that I care about violence levels period, not just gun violence. We can reduce violence better by doing some things like addressing poverty and ending the 'war on drugs' than by restricting firearms.

Exactly. Because we need to address the overwhelming number of crimes that are committed while wielding a rutabaga.


I read his comments as we should focus more on root cause as opposed to emergent symptoms of the disease, which I tend to agree with.
2013-07-26 10:01:05 AM  
1 votes:

Whiskey Pete: numbquil: If it is, we should prohibit the police from carrying firearms in bars

And with this statement you are no longer worth the time. Derp on , Garth.


Why because you don't have an argument against it?
2013-07-25 11:21:00 PM  
1 votes:

Frank N Stein: log_jammin: Frank N Stein: The same observation could be used about gay marriage, medical marijuana, or a number of issues and it would still as useless as using it for concealed carry.

except that people have been trying to get those things legalized for a long time now. and, as I said, the right didn't give a shiat about the right to carry a gun in bars before. now it's suddenly a pressing issue.

Frank N Stein: What I'm getting at is the argument* observation is useless.

1. what do you think I'm "arguing"?

2. The observation I made doesn't need to be useful, nor was it intended to be. I just found it amusing.

Here's what I believe your argument is:

"I believe widespread concealed carry only became an issue in 2005, thus the merits of widespread concealed carry can be detracted"

Am I close?


You remember when Obama got all that flack for his 'guns and religion' comment?
Arguments like yours make me chuckle because you are proving him half-right (don't worry, your ilk proves the other half, just in a different thread).
I believe the point log was making with his joke was that this was unasked for and unprovoked, even in states that have already expanded conceal carry. There are real issues out there, some that need immediate attention, but instead of dealing with those, Republicans, apropros of nothing, decided people really really really need a gun on the swing set.
They cling to their guns (issues) because guns are popular with their base, they know it fires the base up, so they try to think of more and more ways to pander. It's a goody-bag in exchange for turnout come re-election time, nothing more.
2013-07-25 10:41:24 PM  
1 votes:
static.guim.co.uk

Challenge accepted!
2013-07-25 10:40:33 PM  
1 votes:

Almost Everybody Poops: I have never understood America's obscene obsession over guns.  The whole point of the 2nd amendment was to overthrow a tyrannical government, and over the course of 200+ years a well regulated militia is now defined as a single person secretly hiding his/her gun, which he/she may have bought w/o a background check at a gun show.




Actually, the whole purpose was that the founding fathers didn't want to have a standing federal army; this was their way to keep tyranny at bay...don't give the feds ANY army to begin with. So the 2nd works to ensure that the states would have "well regulated militias" that would be ready to form a temporary army if needed. Historically, the term "bear" meant to carry arms in a military sense, not "concealed to my local Walmart". The whole "overthrow the tyranical government" is a fairly recent manly, bootstrappy interpretation.

Of course, it didn't take long to realize that the only way to handle ocean kind of stuff is a national navy, and a few early battle where america didn't do to well, led to a change of heart about the standing army issue.
2013-07-25 10:04:30 PM  
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: Article mentions nothing about establishing a state religion or putting 13 year olds into adult prisons.


noting this discrepancy you then decided to verify if those claims were true through careful and proper research.

...or you just assumed it was bs because you want it to be bs and it "felt" like a lie.
2013-07-25 09:58:56 PM  
1 votes:
Even in the old west people knew it was a bad idea to let people into bars with guns, that is why they made them check their guns at the door. Hell some towns even made people check their guns at the police station as soon as they came into town.
2013-07-25 09:17:52 PM  
1 votes:
Ah the Landed Gentry. Ensuring the peasants are never quiet safe or settled.
2013-07-25 08:51:32 PM  
1 votes:

Click Click D'oh: Peter von Nostrand: Pointing out that stupid laws are stupid doesn't equate to freaking out and acting like it's the end of the world but I'm sure you already knew that and were just feeling a little a bit derpy for a few seconds

Yes.  It's suddenly so clear that it's stupid to legalize the carrying of firearms by licensed individuals in bars and parks because....  Umm... Fark says so?  Oh, I know.  It's because in all the other states where it's already legal there were sudden up swings in bar and playground shootings by CHL holders... Hang on, someone just handed me something.  Hmmm.. Apparently that last claim about shooting sprees is completely false and that didn't happen.

Wait... hang on.. Don't Obama supporters try to claim he's not anti-gun because he legalized carry in National Parks?  OMG!  GUNS IN PARKS!!  OBAMA'S STUPID NUR NUR NUR!!

Try to pass a law legalizing carry while drinking? Yeah, that's stupid.  Making it illegal to carry simply because you are in the same room as alcohol?  Heck, the only way that makes sense is if you believe that inanimate objects have the power to... Oh, never mind.  Suddenly it makes sense.


LOL. You get a funny vote for this comment. It's gold Jerry, GOLD!
2013-07-25 08:49:39 PM  
1 votes:
As a North Carolinian...help us.  Goddamned morons the whole farking lot of them.  "Oh hey, we haven't had power for a while, so now that we do let's slap everyone we hate around with our tiny dicks and piss on their rights."  Why the hell am I in a district with Burlington, Raleigh, and Fayetteville?

/why do I still live here?
2013-07-25 08:43:49 PM  
1 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: Pointing out that stupid laws are stupid doesn't equate to freaking out and acting like it's the end of the world but I'm sure you already knew that and were just feeling a little a bit derpy for a few seconds


Yes.  It's suddenly so clear that it's stupid to legalize the carrying of firearms by licensed individuals in bars and parks because....  Umm... Fark says so?  Oh, I know.  It's because in all the other states where it's already legal there were sudden up swings in bar and playground shootings by CHL holders... Hang on, someone just handed me something.  Hmmm.. Apparently that last claim about shooting sprees is completely false and that didn't happen.

Wait... hang on.. Don't Obama supporters try to claim he's not anti-gun because he legalized carry in National Parks?  OMG!  GUNS IN PARKS!!  OBAMA'S STUPID NUR NUR NUR!!

Try to pass a law legalizing carry while drinking? Yeah, that's stupid.  Making it illegal to carry simply because you are in the same room as alcohol?  Heck, the only way that makes sense is if you believe that inanimate objects have the power to... Oh, never mind.  Suddenly it makes sense.
2013-07-25 08:38:17 PM  
1 votes:
Do you guys just sit around all day waiting to be outraged by trivialities?
2013-07-25 08:26:53 PM  
1 votes:

grxymkjbn: Retards should be HEAVILY armed.  Insanely irresponsible and violent people should have MOAR GUNS!!!!!

It's the only way to be sure.


You could have just said "Republicans", and that would've pretty much covered both.
2013-07-25 08:23:46 PM  
1 votes:
Guns are SO AWESOME.

Everyone should have a whole armory of guns.  EV. VER. Y. ONE.

Fetii should be armed.  Retards should be HEAVILY armed.  Insanely irresponsible and violent people should have MOAR GUNS!!!!!

It's the only way to be sure.
2013-07-25 08:20:38 PM  
1 votes:

Witty_Retort: I need a logical explanation for districts 1, 2, 4, 9, 12 and 13

[www.ncga.state.nc.us image 750x297]


They keep the wrong people from being elected.
2013-07-25 08:06:26 PM  
1 votes:
I need a logical explanation for districts 1, 2, 4, 9, 12 and 13

www.ncga.state.nc.us
2013-07-25 07:54:13 PM  
1 votes:

Click Click D'oh: Peter von Nostrand: Farking great, Rick Perry is now going to call another session. He won't stand for being out-whataburgered like this

It's already legal to carry a gun in a park in Texas, and anywhere that sells alcohol as less than 51% of their total revenue.  It's not legal to drink while carrying though.  Much like pretty much all the states that allow carry.  NC isn't passing anything new, but that won't stop Farkers from freaking out and acting like it's the end of the world.


Pointing out that something is stupid isn't "freaking out and acting like it's the end of the world. ". Just like reasonable restrictions on firearms doesn't mean OBAMA IS COMIN FER YER GUNS!
2013-07-25 07:27:47 PM  
1 votes:

Whiskey Pete: Where are the resident FARK gun nuts™ to either defend or denounce this particular bit of legislation?


Jerking off to pictures of guns?
2013-07-25 07:24:01 PM  
1 votes:
Where are the resident FARK gun nuts™ to either defend or denounce this particular bit of legislation?
2013-07-25 07:14:16 PM  
1 votes:

DarwiOdrade: propasaurus: DarwiOdrade: What happened to you, North Carolina? You used to be cool.

They voted for the blah guy and the state GOP is going to punish them for it.

Obama only won NC by about 13.7K votes (about 0.4% of the votes). They also voted the state GOP into a supermajority in both houses - they kinda deserve it.


I assume you feel you deserved everything George Bush did during his two terms as well then.

/Obama only won by a few thousand votes so I'm comfortable shiatting on a state...very progressive of you
2013-07-25 07:11:46 PM  
1 votes:
Hey now, the state religion thing never even came close to passing!

/In our defense, there's also a 24/7 protest going on outside the state Capitol building.
2013-07-25 07:10:48 PM  
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: FlashHarry: propasaurus: FlashHarry: this sounds like it would mix well with a stand your ground type law.

They'll regret it when some black kid gets caught on a playground carrying a gun.

you mean the law applies to blacks too? somebody should probably tell them...

Some black woman was told SYG applied to her,  She got 20 years for standing her ground walking out of the room, retreiving a firearm from the garage, returning to the room, and firing a "warning shot" above the head of her (abusive) husband and her son.



Don't believe the first thing you read about a story like this - do some digging, Alexander's conduct was reckless and had little to do with "stand your ground."  Now, I'd agree that she didn't deserve 20 years, but that has nothing to do with stand your ground and everything to do with mandatory minimums.
2013-07-25 07:01:48 PM  
1 votes:

MinkeyMan: I here and now swear if I ever become rich, I going to start a charity aimed at arming the unemployed. Automatics, explosives, armored vehicles, body armor whatever they can legally get. And free training in the best use there of.

I'm sure the NRA and GOP will fully support my efforts.


That's the best way to stop this craziness. Use the gun show loophole and whatever other dumbass republican laws you can to arm minorities. Watch those pants-pissing cowards twist.
2013-07-25 06:57:36 PM  
1 votes:
NC is where the New Yorkers go because Florida is full
2013-07-25 06:47:30 PM  
1 votes:

Piizzadude: I just cannot wait for the shiat to collapse down there. I am pretty sure that it is going to be epic. I just hate to think of everyone that is gonna get caught in the crossfire, both literally and figuratively.


I've seen jokes about it several times here, but we seriously need to start an "America's Derpiest State" big board to track this kind of stuff. Maybe even start taking action on it.

I feel like I really need to know if NC has eclipsed Kansas, or if Arizona is poised for a big run this fall.
2013-07-25 06:47:07 PM  
1 votes:
ArkAngel
Because people who would shoot up a playground are the type to follow the existing law?

Straw man.  It's difficult for law enforcement to figure out which persons carrying concealed on a playground are just law-abiding citizens, and which intend to engage in violence.  Much easier to enforce a rule -- no concealed carry on the playground.

To the objection that the 2nd Amendment guarantees a right to carry on a playground, please see District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) (noting that laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places, such as schools and government buildings, are presumptively lawful).
2013-07-25 06:44:30 PM  
1 votes:
Farking great, Rick Perry is now going to call another session. He won't stand for being out-whataburgered like this
2013-07-25 06:35:19 PM  
1 votes:
I know this is is a crazy question... But is it all possible that you people are electing the insane to write your laws? Might that be the problem?

Sincerely, the rest of the world.
2013-07-25 06:31:24 PM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: propasaurus: FlashHarry: this sounds like it would mix well with a stand your ground type law.

They'll regret it when some black kid gets caught on a playground carrying a gun.

you mean the law applies to blacks too? somebody should probably tell them...


Some black woman was told SYG applied to her,  She got 20 years for standing her ground.
2013-07-25 06:28:02 PM  
1 votes:
Good. My right to play Drunk Uzi Tag at the playground has been infringed for too long.
2013-07-25 06:25:15 PM  
1 votes:
Eh, I was in a gun thread the other day. One per month is all I can stand.
2013-07-25 06:21:30 PM  
1 votes:
I never thought I'd see the day when Best Carolina would outderp Worst Carolina, but then came this legislative session.

Amendment One was just the tip.
2013-07-25 06:19:23 PM  
1 votes:
I just cannot wait for the shiat to collapse down there. I am pretty sure that it is going to be epic. I just hate to think of everyone that is gonna get caught in the crossfire, both literally and figuratively.
2013-07-25 06:17:16 PM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: this sounds like it would mix well with a stand your ground type law.


Nah, drunks are never ten feet tall and bullet-proof.
2013-07-25 05:12:36 PM  
1 votes:
There's nothing better than getting drunk and waving a pistol around. Then I lead the police on a quick chase into my exwife's trailer which I then leave. As the police are kicking in the front door, I sneak 'round the side and pull the brick out of the corner that holds the whole thing up. The trailer comes down and it is glorious. My ex-wife now has grounds to sue the cops. I quickly hide my pistol in the grill and get my brother in law to vouch for me. I was never at the bar; it was someone who looked like me.
 
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