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(Talking Points Memo)   People: you've passed legislation establishing a state religion, allowed 13-year-olds to be put in adult prison, and snuck through insane anti-abortion measures. Are you through? North Carolina Republicans: CHALLENGE ACCEPTED   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 270
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2013-07-25 08:38:17 PM  
Do you guys just sit around all day waiting to be outraged by trivialities?
 
2013-07-25 08:43:49 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Pointing out that stupid laws are stupid doesn't equate to freaking out and acting like it's the end of the world but I'm sure you already knew that and were just feeling a little a bit derpy for a few seconds


Yes.  It's suddenly so clear that it's stupid to legalize the carrying of firearms by licensed individuals in bars and parks because....  Umm... Fark says so?  Oh, I know.  It's because in all the other states where it's already legal there were sudden up swings in bar and playground shootings by CHL holders... Hang on, someone just handed me something.  Hmmm.. Apparently that last claim about shooting sprees is completely false and that didn't happen.

Wait... hang on.. Don't Obama supporters try to claim he's not anti-gun because he legalized carry in National Parks?  OMG!  GUNS IN PARKS!!  OBAMA'S STUPID NUR NUR NUR!!

Try to pass a law legalizing carry while drinking? Yeah, that's stupid.  Making it illegal to carry simply because you are in the same room as alcohol?  Heck, the only way that makes sense is if you believe that inanimate objects have the power to... Oh, never mind.  Suddenly it makes sense.
 
2013-07-25 08:49:39 PM  
As a North Carolinian...help us.  Goddamned morons the whole farking lot of them.  "Oh hey, we haven't had power for a while, so now that we do let's slap everyone we hate around with our tiny dicks and piss on their rights."  Why the hell am I in a district with Burlington, Raleigh, and Fayetteville?

/why do I still live here?
 
2013-07-25 08:51:32 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Peter von Nostrand: Pointing out that stupid laws are stupid doesn't equate to freaking out and acting like it's the end of the world but I'm sure you already knew that and were just feeling a little a bit derpy for a few seconds

Yes.  It's suddenly so clear that it's stupid to legalize the carrying of firearms by licensed individuals in bars and parks because....  Umm... Fark says so?  Oh, I know.  It's because in all the other states where it's already legal there were sudden up swings in bar and playground shootings by CHL holders... Hang on, someone just handed me something.  Hmmm.. Apparently that last claim about shooting sprees is completely false and that didn't happen.

Wait... hang on.. Don't Obama supporters try to claim he's not anti-gun because he legalized carry in National Parks?  OMG!  GUNS IN PARKS!!  OBAMA'S STUPID NUR NUR NUR!!

Try to pass a law legalizing carry while drinking? Yeah, that's stupid.  Making it illegal to carry simply because you are in the same room as alcohol?  Heck, the only way that makes sense is if you believe that inanimate objects have the power to... Oh, never mind.  Suddenly it makes sense.


LOL. You get a funny vote for this comment. It's gold Jerry, GOLD!
 
2013-07-25 08:53:13 PM  

DarwiOdrade: propasaurus: DarwiOdrade: What happened to you, North Carolina? You used to be cool.

They voted for the blah guy and the state GOP is going to punish them for it.

Obama only won NC by about 13.7K votes (about 0.4% of the votes). They also voted the state GOP into a supermajority in both houses - they kinda deserve it.


I feel compelled to mention this in every North-Carolina-has-gone-retarded thread, but our problem is gerrymandering way way way more than it is retarded voters. Don't get me wrong, we have more than our share of retarded voters, but not as many as it would appear.

In the N.C. Senate Republicans received 52.57% of the vote, yet control 66% (33 of 50) of all available seats.

In the N.C. House Republicans received 51.25% of the vote, yet control 64% (77 of 120) of all available seats.

The U.S. House results are by far the worst (not that it applies to the bullshiat that the general assembly has been pulling on us, but it is pretty indicative of a problem ). In U.S. House races, Republicans received just 48.75% of the vote yet control 70% (9 of 13) of available seats.

So as a general population we're really not as bad as a first glance would indicate. Still boned though.
 
2013-07-25 08:57:19 PM  

FlashHarry: this sounds like it would mix well with a stand your ground type law.


We already have a similar law to Florida's. NC legislators passed it a year or so ago, but even before that NC had a castle law; it was perfectly legal to shoot someone breaking into your home, whether they were armed or not. You just had to make sure you shot them in the front; many years ago a homeowner was convicted of manslaughter when he shot some kids who ran away after he caught them breaking into his garage.
 
2013-07-25 08:59:27 PM  
My state passed a law allowing men to marry other men. Now that's some crazy shiat.
 
2013-07-25 08:59:28 PM  
I recently hung out in Mississippi for a few days for a few days for my sweetie's niece's wedding. All the good stereotypes applied. There were many plump southern gals in the kitchen and at least one plump southern guy frying up catfish. I most definitely ate well.

But then there was the evening conversations. The idea of racist crakers is not without merit. And I'm pretty sure they were being careful about what they said because I was a Libby McLibberton from Maryland.
 
2013-07-25 09:00:41 PM  

Robots are Strong: DarwiOdrade: propasaurus: DarwiOdrade: What happened to you, North Carolina? You used to be cool.

They voted for the blah guy and the state GOP is going to punish them for it.

Obama only won NC by about 13.7K votes (about 0.4% of the votes). They also voted the state GOP into a supermajority in both houses - they kinda deserve it.

I feel compelled to mention this in every North-Carolina-has-gone-retarded thread, but our problem is gerrymandering way way way more than it is retarded voters. Don't get me wrong, we have more than our share of retarded voters, but not as many as it would appear.

In the N.C. Senate Republicans received 52.57% of the vote, yet control 66% (33 of 50) of all available seats.

In the N.C. House Republicans received 51.25% of the vote, yet control 64% (77 of 120) of all available seats.

The U.S. House results are by far the worst (not that it applies to the bullshiat that the general assembly has been pulling on us, but it is pretty indicative of a problem ). In U.S. House races, Republicans received just 48.75% of the vote yet control 70% (9 of 13) of available seats.

So as a general population we're really not as bad as a first glance would indicate. Still boned though.


Wow, just wow. That right there is all the argument one would really need to make about using computer to draw districts. Never happen though, both parties like the easy wins gerrymandering gives them
 
2013-07-25 09:02:45 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: My state passed a law allowing men to marry other men. Now that's some crazy shiat.


Don't worry, no one will accidentally kill you with gay marriage
 
2013-07-25 09:04:44 PM  

Cheesus: As a North Carolinian...help us.  Goddamned morons the whole farking lot of them.  "Oh hey, we haven't had power for a while, so now that we do let's slap everyone we hate around with our tiny dicks and piss on their rights."  Why the hell am I in a district with Burlington, Raleigh, and Fayetteville?

/why do I still live here?


Heh; my Congressional House district starts over in Chapel Hill, runs east between Raleigh and Cary, curves around Raleigh to the east and then north a bit towards Wake Forest, and also runs south along a very narrow path to northern Fayetteville. The intent was to dilute South and East Raleigh and Chapel Hill Democrats with a healthy dose of Republicans from west Raleigh, rural areas south of Raleigh and then Fayetteville, with the idea to force David Price to actually fight for his seat. Didn't work; Price's opponent was so far to the right even the NC Republican party disowned him, and he won only a small percentage of the vote.

Their gerrymandering of Wake County, however, was totally successful. That urban area (mostly Democrat) is divided amongst three districts now, and two incumbents were forced to run against each other or one had to retire.
 
2013-07-25 09:11:03 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Robots are Strong: DarwiOdrade: propasaurus: DarwiOdrade: What happened to you, North Carolina? You used to be cool.

They voted for the blah guy and the state GOP is going to punish them for it.

Obama only won NC by about 13.7K votes (about 0.4% of the votes). They also voted the state GOP into a supermajority in both houses - they kinda deserve it.

I feel compelled to mention this in every North-Carolina-has-gone-retarded thread, but our problem is gerrymandering way way way more than it is retarded voters. Don't get me wrong, we have more than our share of retarded voters, but not as many as it would appear.

In the N.C. Senate Republicans received 52.57% of the vote, yet control 66% (33 of 50) of all available seats.

In the N.C. House Republicans received 51.25% of the vote, yet control 64% (77 of 120) of all available seats.

The U.S. House results are by far the worst (not that it applies to the bullshiat that the general assembly has been pulling on us, but it is pretty indicative of a problem ). In U.S. House races, Republicans received just 48.75% of the vote yet control 70% (9 of 13) of available seats.

So as a general population we're really not as bad as a first glance would indicate. Still boned though.

Wow, just wow. That right there is all the argument one would really need to make about using computer to draw districts. Never happen though, both parties like the easy wins gerrymandering gives them


Yeah, it's a farking nightmare, and we're stuck with it until at least 2020. Hell, it will take a minor miracle to be able to make any significant changes then. These assholes have a hell of a built in advantage and with all of the "voters rights" laws they're pushing through it's not going to get any better.
 
2013-07-25 09:12:18 PM  
Peter von Nostrand

Noam Chimpsky: My state passed a law allowing men to marry other men. Now that's some crazy shiat.

Don't worry, no one will accidentally kill you with gay marriage


But will they destroy his nonexistent marriage and terrify him?
 
2013-07-25 09:17:52 PM  
Ah the Landed Gentry. Ensuring the peasants are never quiet safe or settled.
 
2013-07-25 09:26:44 PM  
You never know when a thug will walk by and incite you to stand your ground, eating Skittles like he owns the place.
 
2013-07-25 09:28:18 PM  
Article mentions nothing about establishing a state religion or putting 13 year olds into adult prisons.
 
2013-07-25 09:28:48 PM  
Nadie_AZ

Ah the Landed Gentry. Ensuring the peasants are never quiet safe or settled.

I am among the landed gentry. I know stupid and insane when I see it.
 
2013-07-25 09:29:08 PM  

DarwiOdrade: o5iiawah: You'd think with a law like this that NC would be some sort of mad-max hellhole with the citizens simply shooting at each other for no reason at all.  hell, if we make it legal to carry firearms, we just have to expect that people are going to get into gunfights all the time.

They just passed the law - give it time.


They'll probably pass a law making it illegal to report when people shoot each other.
 
2013-07-25 09:34:17 PM  

maxheck: Peter von Nostrand

Noam Chimpsky: My state passed a law allowing men to marry other men. Now that's some crazy shiat.

Don't worry, no one will accidentally kill you with gay marriage

But will they destroy his nonexistent marriage and terrify him?


They've obviously already terrified him/her
 
2013-07-25 09:35:12 PM  

Fellate O'Fish: Straw man.  It's difficult for law enforcement to figure out which persons carrying concealed on a playground are just law-abiding citizens, and which intend to engage in violence.  Much easier to enforce a rule -- no concealed carry on the playground.


Not sure I understand your point. How would the police know anyone is carrying concealed on a playground in the first place?
 
2013-07-25 09:42:39 PM  

Warlordtrooper: FlashHarry: propasaurus: FlashHarry: this sounds like it would mix well with a stand your ground type law.

They'll regret it when some black kid gets caught on a playground carrying a gun.

you mean the law applies to blacks too? somebody should probably tell them...

Some black woman was told SYG applied to her,  She got 20 years for standing her ground going into the house of a guy she put a restraining order on and firing randomly in the air because she apparently feared more for her life from the miller moths than the guy she said was threatening her.


FTFY

//yes there is racial injustice in this world.
//no it does not excuse being a jackass.
 
2013-07-25 09:42:55 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Article mentions nothing about establishing a state religion or putting 13 year olds into adult prisons.


The headline didn't say it did. But yeah, NC Republicans have done both of those things.

/not subby
 
2013-07-25 09:46:36 PM  

dukeblue219: Fellate O'Fish: Straw man.  It's difficult for law enforcement to figure out which persons carrying concealed on a playground are just law-abiding citizens, and which intend to engage in violence.  Much easier to enforce a rule -- no concealed carry on the playground.

Not sure I understand your point. How would the police know anyone is carrying concealed on a playground in the first place?


They'll be the ones to eagerly volunteer to be the cops during "Cops 'n Robbers"
 
2013-07-25 09:58:47 PM  
Isn't it funny how all these things were just fine for years, decades even, then all of the sudden everyone(the right) thinks they're being repressed and shiat? How come the right to carry a gun into a bar didn't matter in 2005, but all of the sudden we need gins in bars "FOR FREEDOM!!"?
 
2013-07-25 09:58:56 PM  
Even in the old west people knew it was a bad idea to let people into bars with guns, that is why they made them check their guns at the door. Hell some towns even made people check their guns at the police station as soon as they came into town.
 
2013-07-25 10:00:18 PM  

dukeblue219: Fellate O'Fish: Straw man.  It's difficult for law enforcement to figure out which persons carrying concealed on a playground are just law-abiding citizens, and which intend to engage in violence.  Much easier to enforce a rule -- no concealed carry on the playground.

Not sure I understand your point. How would the police know anyone is carrying concealed on a playground in the first place?

 Sometimes laws are meant to give guidance to people who don't have the experience or judgement necessary to figure out that it's a bad idea to leave a Glock in an open diaper bag, or even though their car *can* do 60mph past my house, it takes away from my enjoyment of my property. I don't expect a cop to frisk you while you're putting baby's stinky into the trash can, any more than I expect them to set up a roadblock in my neighbor's driveway, because people often do follow the law, just because it's the law, even when there's almost zero risk of getting caught.
/other people won't, of course, and it's just one more charge to stack.
 
2013-07-25 10:00:22 PM  

log_jammin: but all of the sudden we need gins in bars "FOR FREEDOM!!"?


You can have my porch swing when you pry it from my drunken hands.
 
2013-07-25 10:01:29 PM  

mod3072: I just don't think that it is proper justification to put a new law on the books.


Thing is, this isn't really a 'new law on the books', it's a revision to existing law where they're shortening the list of prohibited places to CCW.

Soup4Bonnie: I think you should be allowed to carry a gun wherever you need to feel safe, which is apparently everywhere. shiat, you should be allowed to carry twelve guns if you feel you have to. It's your right. You never know when a school play could turn ugly.


Huh?  Dude, you're not even good at constructing a strawman because you can't attack my real standings.

My sole point is that if you're going to issue CCW licenses, you shouldn't get nitpicky about banning carry in XYZ more or less random areas that have no more security or safety/danger attributes than ABC other places.

Plus, well, I don't like the idea of leaving a firearm unattended outside of a security container(and a car doesn't count), and due to the distance between my home and town I tend to batch up my trips, you know?  If I want to carry because I'm going to the theater(Aurora), I might as well carry at the restaurant(Lubbys), the grocery and hardware stores, etc...

When I carry, and I don't carry all the time, I carry ONE gun with ONE magazine.  Most cops, who have ready backup, carry at least 3 magazines, and many have a backup gun.  If I'm actually expecting trouble I don't go.

Pincy: I just jizzed my pants reading that sentence.


Eww...

KeatingFive: Pointing out that something is stupid isn't "freaking out and acting like it's the end of the world. ". Just like reasonable restrictions on firearms doesn't mean OBAMA IS COMIN FER YER GUNS!


Okay, please explain why a specific prohibition on carrying in a playground or park, or at a bar where you're not legally allowed to get drunk anyways if you're carrying, when it's legal to carry at those locations in other states and they haven't had an excess of problems with legal CCW carriers in those locations is 'reasonable'.  Go ahead.  I'll wait.
 
2013-07-25 10:01:56 PM  
Letting people into bars with guns sounds like a self-solving problem to me. Darwin would be proud.
 
2013-07-25 10:03:25 PM  
Hasn't Ohio (and several other states) allowed carry in bars for some time now?  Didn't Illinois' concealed carry bill allow carry in restaurants that serve alcohol.  Isn't it still illegal to consume alcohol while carrying a weapon?

Has Ohio had a sudden uptick in bar shootings committed by concealed carriers who broke the law by consuming alcohol?
 
2013-07-25 10:04:30 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Article mentions nothing about establishing a state religion or putting 13 year olds into adult prisons.


noting this discrepancy you then decided to verify if those claims were true through careful and proper research.

...or you just assumed it was bs because you want it to be bs and it "felt" like a lie.
 
2013-07-25 10:05:28 PM  

log_jammin: gins


apparently I REALLY want to get home and make myself a drink.
 
2013-07-25 10:05:40 PM  

maxheck: Peter von Nostrand

Noam Chimpsky: My state passed a law allowing men to marry other men. Now that's some crazy shiat.

Don't worry, no one will accidentally kill you with gay marriage

But will they destroy his nonexistent marriage and terrify him?


I think you'll all survive NC's new laws.
 
2013-07-25 10:05:55 PM  

FirethornFirethorn: mod3072: I just don't think that it is proper justification to put a new law on the books.

Thing is, this isn't really a 'new law on the books', it's a revision to existing law where they're shortening the list of prohibited places to CCW.

Soup4Bonnie: I think you should be allowed to carry a gun wherever you need to feel safe, which is apparently everywhere. shiat, you should be allowed to carry twelve guns if you feel you have to. It's your right. You never know when a school play could turn ugly.

Huh?  Dude, you're not even good at constructing a strawman because you can't attack my real standings.

My sole point is that if you're going to issue CCW licenses, you shouldn't get nitpicky about banning carry in XYZ more or less random areas that have no more security or safety/danger attributes than ABC other places.

Plus, well, I don't like the idea of leaving a firearm unattended outside of a security container(and a car doesn't count), and due to the distance between my home and town I tend to batch up my trips, you know?  If I want to carry because I'm going to the theater(Aurora), I might as well carry at the restaurant(Lubbys), the grocery and hardware stores, etc...

When I carry, and I don't carry all the time, I carry ONE gun with ONE magazine.  Most cops, who have ready backup, carry at least 3 magazines, and many have a backup gun.  If I'm actually expecting trouble I don't go.

Pincy: I just jizzed my pants reading that sentence.

Eww...

KeatingFive: Pointing out that something is stupid isn't "freaking out and acting like it's the end of the world. ". Just like reasonable restrictions on firearms doesn't mean OBAMA IS COMIN FER YER GUNS!

Okay, please explain why a specific prohibition on carrying in a playground or park, or at a bar where you're not legally allowed to get drunk anyways if you're carrying, when it's legal to carry at those locations in other states and they haven't had an excess of problems with legal CCW carriers in those location ...

,

i1162.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-25 10:07:15 PM  

log_jammin: Isn't it funny how all these things were just fine for years, decades even, then all of the sudden everyone(the right) thinks they're being repressed and shiat? How come the right to carry a gun into a bar didn't matter in 2005, but all of the sudden we need gins in bars "FOR FREEDOM!!"?


The people of NC decided that they would like more freedom on where they can carry a gun. Why do you have a problem with that?

Also, I believe every well stocked bar should have gin.
 
2013-07-25 10:10:20 PM  

pueblonative: Some black woman was told SYG applied to her, She got 20 years for standing her ground going into the house of a guy she put a restraining order on and firing randomly in the air because she apparently feared more for her life from the miller moths than the guy she said was threatening her.


I'm somewhat familiar with that -
1.  He also had a restraining order against Her.  She violated that going to his house
2.  He was on the phone with 911 when she left, came back, and yelled "I've got something for you!" before shooting at him(and angle wasn't in the air; that was some bullshiat claim she tried to make; holes in drywall say angle much more horizontal).
3.  20 years was the mandatory minimum for her crimes; the prosecutors offered 3 for popping off in the direction of her own kids, for some reason she didn't take it.
 
2013-07-25 10:13:51 PM  

Firethorn: pueblonative: Some black woman was told SYG applied to her, She got 20 years for standing her ground going into the house of a guy she put a restraining order on and firing randomly in the air because she apparently feared more for her life from the miller moths than the guy she said was threatening her.

I'm somewhat familiar with that -
1.  He also had a restraining order against Her.  She violated that going to his house
2.  He was on the phone with 911 when she left, came back, and yelled "I've got something for you!" before shooting at him(and angle wasn't in the air; that was some bullshiat claim she tried to make; holes in drywall say angle much more horizontal).
3.  20 years was the mandatory minimum for her crimes; the prosecutors offered 3 for popping off in the direction of her own kids, for some reason she didn't take it.


Well the important thing is that her 2nd Amendment rights weren't violated.
 
2013-07-25 10:14:25 PM  

Firethorn: pueblonative: Some black woman was told SYG applied to her, She got 20 years for standing her ground going into the house of a guy she put a restraining order on and firing randomly in the air because she apparently feared more for her life from the miller moths than the guy she said was threatening her.

I'm somewhat familiar with that -
1.  He also had a restraining order against Her.  She violated that going to his house
2.  He was on the phone with 911 when she left, came back, and yelled "I've got something for you!" before shooting at him(and angle wasn't in the air; that was some bullshiat claim she tried to make; holes in drywall say angle much more horizontal).
3.  20 years was the mandatory minimum for her crimes; the prosecutors offered 3 for popping off in the direction of her own kids, for some reason she didn't take it.


She also had to be coaxed out of his house by the SWAT team.  She didn't have a legal right to be there, and admitted that she fired because she was angry. That is not even remotely close to a valid SYG case, it's not even self-defense.  She didn't deserve 20 years, but she was very clearly in the wrong and should have taken the plea bargain.
 
2013-07-25 10:17:52 PM  

Witty_Retort: I need a logical explanation for districts 1, 2, 4, 9, 12 and 13

[www.ncga.state.nc.us image 750x297]


It keeps the Negros in their place.
 
2013-07-25 10:18:15 PM  

MFAWG: Fellate O'Fish: ArkAngel
Because people who would shoot up a playground are the type to follow the existing law?

Straw man.  It's difficult for law enforcement to figure out which persons carrying concealed on a playground are just law-abiding citizens, and which intend to engage in violence.  Much easier to enforce a rule -- no concealed carry on the playground.

To the objection that the 2nd Amendment guarantees a right to carry on a playground, please see District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) (noting that laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places, such as schools and government buildings, are presumptively lawful).

I honest to god don't know where this 'right to carry' comes from. The right to carry has been regulated since before day one.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bear  verb, #12: to carry
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arms noun2, #1: weapons, esp. firearms

So, the right to carry comes from the Constitution. Yes, rights can be limited (yelling fire in a theater, publishing lies, carrying firearms where alcohol is served), but it's up to the government to decide those restrictions and the courts to ensure they don't go too far.

Now, here... yeah, this sucks. Some parks I can see. In fact, in 2009 Obama signed into law a bill that allows for concealed carry in national parks if doing so doesn't violate state laws*. But a playground? Probably not. And maybe you can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol if you're not drinking, but not a bar at all.

So, yeah, we have a "right to carry". Are these places people should be allowed to carry? That's debatable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States#Nat i onal_park_carry
 
2013-07-25 10:20:06 PM  

maxheck: It has to be bad when a friend moved to NJ to get away from NC.


That's because while NJ can be crazy, they probably won't ever reach the sheer levels of batshiat insanity that many states south of the Mason/Dixon line have been dealing with these past few years.

Even though there are crazies and rednecks even in NJ, very few if any are ever elected to the state legislature.  And with most of the Republican doninated state legislatures, they seem to be trying to one up each other on how horrible they can make the lives of their citizens.
 
2013-07-25 10:22:14 PM  
Really guys?
I'm the one who has to say it?
I've been here way too long and need to get a girlfriend or job or something.
A North Carolina thread and no one has showed up with...

Duke Sucks!
 
2013-07-25 10:23:44 PM  

Frank N Stein: The people of NC decided that they would like more freedom on where they can carry a gun. Why do you have a problem with that?


they did? I missed the sentence that mentioned what the popular vote outcome was. could you quote it for me?

oh wait...you mean the state legislature decided it should be legal to carry a gun into bars, not "the people". If that's the case then by your own logic you lost the right to biatch about anything a state legislature does.  so you got that going for you.
 
2013-07-25 10:29:58 PM  

log_jammin: Frank N Stein: The people of NC decided that they would like more freedom on where they can carry a gun. Why do you have a problem with that?

they did? I missed the sentence that mentioned what the popular vote outcome was. could you quote it for me?

oh wait...you mean the state legislature decided it should be legal to carry a gun into bars, not "the people". If that's the case then by your own logic you lost the right to biatch about anything a state legislature does.  so you got that going for you.


Perhaps you're right. However, your argument:

Isn't it funny how all these things were just fine for years, decades even, then all of the sudden everyone(the right) thinks they're being repressed and shiat? How come the right to carry a gun into a bar didn't matter in 2005, but all of the sudden we need gins in bars "FOR FREEDOM!!"?

Is complete bullocks.
 
2013-07-25 10:34:17 PM  

Frank N Stein: However, your argument:


It wasn't an argument, it was an observation.
 
2013-07-25 10:35:28 PM  

log_jammin: Frank N Stein: However, your argument:

It wasn't an argument, it was an observation.


Does the observation lead you to any conclusions?
 
2013-07-25 10:35:59 PM  

Gilligann: The final version of the bill was stripped of a particularly controversial provision that would have dropped background check requirements for handguns

These people are insane.


Not really. This one I can see. Maybe you will too, once you understand...

In NC, in order to purchase a handgun, you have to get a pistol permit. It's $5 and it takes 10 business days to process. During the wait, your background is checked and then you get your permit.

The permit, however, is good for 5 YEARS. I can get a permit today and buy a gun five years later without anyone checking what happened in the 5 years in between. Is  that smart?

The bill doesn't get rid of background checks. It gets rid of the pistol purchase permits. If/when this change takes place, you'll still have to have a background check. It'll just be the one the majority of the rest of the country uses: NICS.

Now, we can argue about whether there should be a waiting period or not, but these pistol permits that are good for five years were never smart.

Oh, and I have a CCW in NC. I can walk into a gun store, show my CCW permit, and walk out with as many handguns as I want and there's not another background check done. No NICS, no calling the sherriff, nothing. They write my CCW permit number on a form and stick it in a drawer.

I wouldn't mind one bit having to go through a NICS check anytime I wanted purchase a handgun. It makes more sense to me than relying on an outdated background check associated with a pistol permit or CCW permit.
 
2013-07-25 10:40:33 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: I have never understood America's obscene obsession over guns.  The whole point of the 2nd amendment was to overthrow a tyrannical government, and over the course of 200+ years a well regulated militia is now defined as a single person secretly hiding his/her gun, which he/she may have bought w/o a background check at a gun show.




Actually, the whole purpose was that the founding fathers didn't want to have a standing federal army; this was their way to keep tyranny at bay...don't give the feds ANY army to begin with. So the 2nd works to ensure that the states would have "well regulated militias" that would be ready to form a temporary army if needed. Historically, the term "bear" meant to carry arms in a military sense, not "concealed to my local Walmart". The whole "overthrow the tyranical government" is a fairly recent manly, bootstrappy interpretation.

Of course, it didn't take long to realize that the only way to handle ocean kind of stuff is a national navy, and a few early battle where america didn't do to well, led to a change of heart about the standing army issue.
 
2013-07-25 10:41:24 PM  
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Challenge accepted!
 
2013-07-25 10:48:41 PM  

Frank N Stein: Does the observation lead you to any conclusions?


that it is very possible that you have had too much of my gin
 
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