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(Talking Points Memo)   People: you've passed legislation establishing a state religion, allowed 13-year-olds to be put in adult prison, and snuck through insane anti-abortion measures. Are you through? North Carolina Republicans: CHALLENGE ACCEPTED   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 270
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2013-07-25 06:57:36 PM
NC is where the New Yorkers go because Florida is full
 
2013-07-25 06:58:33 PM

MinkeyMan: I here and now swear if I ever become rich, I going to start a charity aimed at arming the unemployed. Automatics, explosives, armored vehicles, body armor whatever they can legally get. And free training in the best use there of.

I'm sure the NRA and GOP will fully support my efforts.


Koch Brothers did it, and used the Jesus people to clear the way.

/NC is their petrie dish
 
2013-07-25 07:01:48 PM

MinkeyMan: I here and now swear if I ever become rich, I going to start a charity aimed at arming the unemployed. Automatics, explosives, armored vehicles, body armor whatever they can legally get. And free training in the best use there of.

I'm sure the NRA and GOP will fully support my efforts.


That's the best way to stop this craziness. Use the gun show loophole and whatever other dumbass republican laws you can to arm minorities. Watch those pants-pissing cowards twist.
 
2013-07-25 07:03:42 PM
Carrying a concealed weapon on a playground can have its ups and downs.

strangetwist.com
 
2013-07-25 07:04:41 PM

Fellate O'Fish: ArkAngel
Because people who would shoot up a playground are the type to follow the existing law?

Straw man.  It's difficult for law enforcement to figure out which persons carrying concealed on a playground are just law-abiding citizens, and which intend to engage in violence.  Much easier to enforce a rule -- no concealed carry on the playground.

To the objection that the 2nd Amendment guarantees a right to carry on a playground, please see District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) (noting that laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places, such as schools and government buildings, are presumptively lawful).


I honest to god don't know where this 'right to carry' comes from. The right to carry has been regulated since before day one.
 
2013-07-25 07:06:40 PM
It's almost as if they're trying to see how far they can push before someone calls them on their bullshiat. Oh. And they hate children too, apparently.
 
2013-07-25 07:10:48 PM

Warlordtrooper: FlashHarry: propasaurus: FlashHarry: this sounds like it would mix well with a stand your ground type law.

They'll regret it when some black kid gets caught on a playground carrying a gun.

you mean the law applies to blacks too? somebody should probably tell them...

Some black woman was told SYG applied to her,  She got 20 years for standing her ground walking out of the room, retreiving a firearm from the garage, returning to the room, and firing a "warning shot" above the head of her (abusive) husband and her son.



Don't believe the first thing you read about a story like this - do some digging, Alexander's conduct was reckless and had little to do with "stand your ground."  Now, I'd agree that she didn't deserve 20 years, but that has nothing to do with stand your ground and everything to do with mandatory minimums.
 
2013-07-25 07:11:46 PM
Hey now, the state religion thing never even came close to passing!

/In our defense, there's also a 24/7 protest going on outside the state Capitol building.
 
2013-07-25 07:14:16 PM

DarwiOdrade: propasaurus: DarwiOdrade: What happened to you, North Carolina? You used to be cool.

They voted for the blah guy and the state GOP is going to punish them for it.

Obama only won NC by about 13.7K votes (about 0.4% of the votes). They also voted the state GOP into a supermajority in both houses - they kinda deserve it.


I assume you feel you deserved everything George Bush did during his two terms as well then.

/Obama only won by a few thousand votes so I'm comfortable shiatting on a state...very progressive of you
 
2013-07-25 07:19:51 PM
People keep asking "I thought North Carolina was smarter than this?" and I would pose this as an answer, and I hope that my experiences as a Louisiana resident would inform this somewhat (sorry for Jindal btw).

It doesn't matter if the population at large does not care about the policies or actively hate them, if right thinking people willingly remove themselves from the political process on a long term basis, regardless of the reasoning why, then only the ardent will vote.

What happened in North Carolina was a more extreme version of what happened writ-large in the country in 2010, a lot of Democratic supporters went soft and the Republican supporters went all in. The Tea Party wave hit so hard in NC that Bev Purdue was almost irrelevant as a governor.

At some point, if you want to see liberal or moderate-liberal policies in place, you  MUST vote that way in every election you can, all the way down to the proverbial dog catcher.

If you want the government to be what you think it should be, then farking act like it.
 
2013-07-25 07:24:01 PM
Where are the resident FARK gun nuts™ to either defend or denounce this particular bit of legislation?
 
2013-07-25 07:25:00 PM

BlueDWarrior: At some point, if you want to see liberal or moderate-liberal policies in place, you MUST vote that way in every election you can, all the way down to the proverbial dog catcher.


I was working on a cruise ship that was out in the open Pacific when I filled out my ballot. I squeezed in time to mail it back to NC from a postcard basket in a store in Hawaii, and I STILL got this shiatty state government.

Eh, at least I got to move to the relatively liberal city of Greensboro.
 
2013-07-25 07:25:19 PM

Whiskey Pete: Where are the resident FARK gun nuts™ to either defend or denounce this particular bit of legislation?


(HINT: They're okay with it but most of us are just too stupid to understand.)
 
2013-07-25 07:27:11 PM

Granny_Panties: You get what you vote for. I don't feel a bit of pity for them. On the other hand I live in Wisconsin and I have Scott Walker, who I didn't vote for. So maybe I feel some pity for all 10 people in NC that don't vote straight ticket GOP.


Actually a large number of the people in North Carolina did not vote for this. The state is so gerrymandered that most of these guys are safe no matter how the vote falls. This is done on the national level, too. More people actually voted for Democrats for the House of Representatives, but gerrymandering saved the Republican control of the House.
 
2013-07-25 07:27:47 PM

Whiskey Pete: Where are the resident FARK gun nuts™ to either defend or denounce this particular bit of legislation?


Jerking off to pictures of guns?
 
2013-07-25 07:28:24 PM
Oh lord. Something just occurred to me: There are Skittles and soft drinks on playgrounds.
 
2013-07-25 07:28:39 PM

theorellior: DarwiOdrade: What happened to you, North Carolina? You used to be cool.

I got friends who love NC and live in NC and are absolutely gobsmacked that it's come to this. They took pride in being the smarter Carolina for so long, and yet here we are.


And what gave them that idea?

/SC native
//Atlanta resident
//sometimes travels to Georgia
 
2013-07-25 07:30:34 PM
Seriously?  Am I the first pro-gun person here?  First, the article sucks.


Fellate O'Fish: Straw man. It's difficult for law enforcement to figure out which persons carrying concealed on a playground are just law-abiding citizens, and which intend to engage in violence. Much easier to enforce a rule -- no concealed carry on the playground.


I think you need to look up the definition of 'straw man' here.  He didn't attribute any real position to Mentat.

Anyways, your argument about 'difficult for law enforcement' and 'enforce a rule' is not specific to playgrounds.  Heck, it's MORE complicated because the officer now has to worry about whether he's on a playground or other prohibited spot vs somewhere where CCW is legal.  Plus, why prohibit in a public playground when it would be the adults carrying, and not the street they walk down to get there?  Why not the grocery store?  Daycare?

Or are you just anti-CCW and want to ban it (again) in as many places as possible as a creeping prohibition or rear-guard action?

Given that the state legislature has given the go-ahead to allow CCW with a permit, the question becomes one of 'Where do we prohibit'?  Some common categories:
1.  Controlled Access government buildings - Airports, police stations, prisons, court houses, etc...  Schools used to be pretty open, it's my understanding they're much more locked down now, but I don't think most of them have reached the level of justice system buildings, much less airports.  Eh.
2.  Public areas - The question becomes, given the purpose of a CCW permit, WHY?  These are precisely the sort of areas where spree killers tend to target.
3.  Bars/places that serve alcohol.  Two points here:  1.  It's illegal to CCW while intoxicated.  2. You can enter a bar without drinking alcohol.  What about the sober designated driver, who doesn't want to leave his piece in his car?  What about the owners and employees?  Etc..
4.  Other private institutions(including bars and such):  Should be the choice of the owner/operator or his designated representative.
 
2013-07-25 07:33:11 PM
bigbaddie.com

It's still Best Carolina to me, dammit!
 
2013-07-25 07:36:28 PM

Firethorn: rear-guard action?


HAAAAY-OOOOOH!!
 
2013-07-25 07:41:45 PM

Firethorn: Plus, why prohibit in a public playground when it would be the adults carrying, and not the street they walk down to get there?  Why not the grocery store?  Daycare?


I think you should be allowed to carry a gun wherever you need to feel safe, which is apparently everywhere.  shiat, you should be allowed to carry twelve guns if you feel you have to.  It's your right.  You never know when a school play could turn ugly.

You know what else we need?  Turrets.  More turrets in strategic locations like playgrounds or kindergartens and we would be even safer.  Maybe a couple at the churches, too, to protect our religious freedoms from Sharia law.
 
2013-07-25 07:42:22 PM
STOP VOTING THESE IDIOTS INTO OFFICE!
 
2013-07-25 07:42:23 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: There's nothing better than getting drunk and waving a pistol around. Then I lead the police on a quick chase into my exwife's trailer which I then leave. As the police are kicking in the front door, I sneak 'round the side and pull the brick out of the corner that holds the whole thing up. The trailer comes down and it is glorious. My ex-wife now has grounds to sue the cops. I quickly hide my pistol in the grill and get my brother in law to vouch for me. I was never at the bar; it was someone who looked like me.


Since you got divorced, does that mean she isn't your sister too or do you have to file other papers for that?
 
2013-07-25 07:42:48 PM

Whiskey Pete: Where are the resident FARK gun nuts™ to either defend or denounce this particular bit of legislation?


I'm hardly a gun nut I don't carry, I don't own a pistol, hell all of my guns were inherited from my grandfather.  They passed this law several years ago in Georgia (here it's still illegal to drink while carrying, but you can be armed in a bar) and we haven't had an upswing of bar shootings.

I'm not saying that I agree with the law, but the vast majority of people of sane and reasonable and don't go around shooting people just because they happen to be armed.  I usually carry a pocketknife (comes in handy while working) and I don't stab people every time someone sneezes and doesn't cover their nose/mouth.
 
2013-07-25 07:43:54 PM

Firethorn: 2. Public areas - The question becomes, given the purpose of a CCW permit, WHY? These are precisely the sort of areas where spree killers tend to target.


I just jizzed my pants reading that sentence.
 
2013-07-25 07:45:04 PM
Playgrounds? Why didn't I think of that!

i1162.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-25 07:45:43 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: I don't stab people every time someone sneezes and doesn't cover their nose/mouth.


Well, you're not doing your part, then.
 
2013-07-25 07:46:53 PM
After NC voted for Obama in 2008 and the state effectively went 'blue', some fart smellers decided that the traditional blue lettering on white background NC license plates should now be red lettering, and everybody had to change their plates, because NC isn't a blue state. It turns out Blue on White is a lot easier to read than Red on White while driving, so the cops wanted it changed back, and now it's slowly going back to blue and white. We don't call it North Cackalacky for nothing. I got married to an NC girl.. that's the only reason i'm here.
 
2013-07-25 07:48:44 PM

zelet: MinkeyMan: I here and now swear if I ever become rich, I going to start a charity aimed at arming the unemployed. Automatics, explosives, armored vehicles, body armor whatever they can legally get. And free training in the best use there of.

I'm sure the NRA and GOP will fully support my efforts.

That's the best way to stop this craziness. Use the gun show loophole and whatever other dumbass republican laws you can to arm minorities. Watch those pants-pissing cowards twist.


This.

Do they fear black people with guns in general? As much as they let on, probably not.

Now, organized black people marching with guns in their communities and outside their campaign offices? HELL YES.

/if I could start up a black gun club like the Black Bikers, I'd do it
//w/o the GOP derp of course
///2nd amendment is our right too
 
2013-07-25 07:49:13 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Farking great, Rick Perry is now going to call another session. He won't stand for being out-whataburgered like this


It's already legal to carry a gun in a park in Texas, and anywhere that sells alcohol as less than 51% of their total revenue.  It's not legal to drink while carrying though.  Much like pretty much all the states that allow carry.  NC isn't passing anything new, but that won't stop Farkers from freaking out and acting like it's the end of the world.
 
2013-07-25 07:52:20 PM
You'd think with a law like this that NC would be some sort of mad-max hellhole with the citizens simply shooting at each other for no reason at all.  hell, if we make it legal to carry firearms, we just have to expect that people are going to get into gunfights all the time.
 
2013-07-25 07:54:13 PM

Click Click D'oh: Peter von Nostrand: Farking great, Rick Perry is now going to call another session. He won't stand for being out-whataburgered like this

It's already legal to carry a gun in a park in Texas, and anywhere that sells alcohol as less than 51% of their total revenue.  It's not legal to drink while carrying though.  Much like pretty much all the states that allow carry.  NC isn't passing anything new, but that won't stop Farkers from freaking out and acting like it's the end of the world.


Pointing out that something is stupid isn't "freaking out and acting like it's the end of the world. ". Just like reasonable restrictions on firearms doesn't mean OBAMA IS COMIN FER YER GUNS!
 
2013-07-25 07:58:46 PM

JAGChem82: Now, organized black people marching with guns in their communities


Honestly that would freak me out.  I like guns, but in the same way I like Thai food.  I'm not going to go to a meeting about Thai food, or go to a Thai food rally, but if one of my friends wants to go get some noodles count me in.
 
2013-07-25 08:00:10 PM
I have never understood America's obscene obsession over guns.  The whole point of the 2nd amendment was to overthrow a tyrannical government, and over the course of 200+ years a well regulated militia is now defined as a single person secretly hiding his/her gun, which he/she may have bought w/o a background check at a gun show.
 
2013-07-25 08:03:01 PM

Granny_Panties: You get what you vote for. I don't feel a bit of pity for them. On the other hand I live in Wisconsin and I have Scott Walker, who I didn't vote for. So maybe I feel some pity for all 10 people in NC that don't vote straight ticket GOP.


More people voted for democrats than republicans in NC. A LOT more (for state house). It's that farking gerrymandered.
 
2013-07-25 08:04:32 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: I have never understood America's obscene obsession over guns.  The whole point of the 2nd amendment was to overthrow a tyrannical government, and over the course of 200+ years a well regulated militia is now defined as a single person secretly hiding his/her gun, which he/she may have bought w/o a background check at a gun show.


It was more intended to fight invading armies (as a 'well-regulated militia' was all they had in terms of a military at the time). The 2nd Amendment became obsolete when we formed a permanent military.
 
2013-07-25 08:06:26 PM
I need a logical explanation for districts 1, 2, 4, 9, 12 and 13

www.ncga.state.nc.us
 
2013-07-25 08:09:46 PM

Whiskey Pete: Where are the resident FARK gun nuts™ to either defend or denounce this particular bit of legislation?


I guess most people on Fark would consider me a gun nut because I don't shiat myself in fear every time I see a breakfast pastry that has been eaten into a shape that almost vaguely resembles a gun. I also own a few guns myself and I'm against most forms of gun control, so I guess I'll give you my two cents.

My view of laws like this is that it is a solution desperately searching for a problem. Was this really necessary? I don't really get it. Then again, I don't really get people who feel the need to walk around everywhere they go with a gun strapped to them either. I find it hard to believe that there were 1000's of parents out there who desperately wanted to go to the park with their children, but couldn't do it because they couldn't take their gun along. I'm also not sure that bars and guns are a great combination, but I grew up around guns and had the whole "guns and alcohol don't mix" rule pounded into my brain from a young age. More than anything, I guess I just think that anytime our government (at any level) takes the time and money to pass a new law or regulation, there should be a good justification for it. I'm just not seeing it in this case. "This will really piss off the libs!!" doesn't cut it. Not that I'm opposed to pissing off the libs - I've seen some liberal hissy-fits right here on Fark that have amused me greatly. I just don't think that it is proper justification to put a new law on the books.
 
2013-07-25 08:13:44 PM

js34603: DarwiOdrade: propasaurus: DarwiOdrade: What happened to you, North Carolina? You used to be cool.

They voted for the blah guy and the state GOP is going to punish them for it.

Obama only won NC by about 13.7K votes (about 0.4% of the votes). They also voted the state GOP into a supermajority in both houses - they kinda deserve it.

I assume you feel you deserved everything George Bush did during his two terms as well then.

/Obama only won by a few thousand votes so I'm comfortable shiatting on a state...very progressive of you


I'm talking about their state legislature, not Obama, and that legislature has gone full retard. Do I really think all the residents deserve what the GOP supermajorities have done? No, but I'm not feeling too sorry for them either.
 
2013-07-25 08:14:20 PM

o5iiawah: You'd think with a law like this that NC would be some sort of mad-max hellhole with the citizens simply shooting at each other for no reason at all.  hell, if we make it legal to carry firearms, we just have to expect that people are going to get into gunfights all the time.


They just passed the law - give it time.
 
2013-07-25 08:17:38 PM

Granny_Panties: You get what you vote for. I don't feel a bit of pity for them. On the other hand I live in Wisconsin and I have Scott Walker, who I didn't vote for. So maybe I feel some pity for all 10 people in NC that don't vote straight ticket GOP.



Ditto for this Wisconsite.
 
2013-07-25 08:20:38 PM

Witty_Retort: I need a logical explanation for districts 1, 2, 4, 9, 12 and 13

[www.ncga.state.nc.us image 750x297]


They keep the wrong people from being elected.
 
2013-07-25 08:21:16 PM
On the one hand we have schools suspending five year olds for making a finger gun and on the other hand we have concealed carry in bars and playgrounds.
imageshack.us
 
2013-07-25 08:23:46 PM
Guns are SO AWESOME.

Everyone should have a whole armory of guns.  EV. VER. Y. ONE.

Fetii should be armed.  Retards should be HEAVILY armed.  Insanely irresponsible and violent people should have MOAR GUNS!!!!!

It's the only way to be sure.
 
2013-07-25 08:26:53 PM

grxymkjbn: Retards should be HEAVILY armed.  Insanely irresponsible and violent people should have MOAR GUNS!!!!!

It's the only way to be sure.


You could have just said "Republicans", and that would've pretty much covered both.
 
2013-07-25 08:26:55 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Whiskey Pete: Where are the resident FARK gun nuts™ to either defend or denounce this particular bit of legislation?

I'm hardly a gun nut I don't carry, I don't own a pistol, hell all of my guns were inherited from my grandfather.  They passed this law several years ago in Georgia (here it's still illegal to drink while carrying, but you can be armed in a bar) and we haven't had an upswing of bar shootings.

I'm not saying that I agree with the law, but the vast majority of people of sane and reasonable and don't go around shooting people just because they happen to be armed.  I usually carry a pocketknife (comes in handy while working) and I don't stab people every time someone sneezes and doesn't cover their nose/mouth.


That's kind of disappointing, really. I keep hoping for more random gunfights. We have too many people anyway, and most of the participants, and thus wounded and killed, would be gun nuts. Win win.
 
2013-07-25 08:29:18 PM

Click Click D'oh: Peter von Nostrand: Farking great, Rick Perry is now going to call another session. He won't stand for being out-whataburgered like this

It's already legal to carry a gun in a park in Texas, and anywhere that sells alcohol as less than 51% of their total revenue.  It's not legal to drink while carrying though.  Much like pretty much all the states that allow carry.  NC isn't passing anything new, but that won't stop Farkers from freaking out and acting like it's the end of the world.


Pointing out that stupid laws are stupid doesn't equate to freaking out and acting like it's the end of the world but I'm sure you already knew that and were just feeling a little a bit derpy for a few seconds
 
2013-07-25 08:29:42 PM

El_Perro: Warlordtrooper: FlashHarry: propasaurus: FlashHarry: this sounds like it would mix well with a stand your ground type law.

They'll regret it when some black kid gets caught on a playground carrying a gun.

you mean the law applies to blacks too? somebody should probably tell them...

Some black woman was told SYG applied to her,  She got 20 years for standing her ground walking out of the room, retreiving a firearm from the garage, returning to the room, and firing a "warning shot" above the head of her (abusive) husband and her son.


Don't believe the first thing you read about a story like this - do some digging, Alexander's conduct was reckless and had little to do with "stand your ground."  Now, I'd agree that she didn't deserve 20 years, but that has nothing to do with stand your ground and everything to do with mandatory minimums.


Yeah, turns out, while she had a restraining order against him, HE also had a restraining order against HER. Which she broke when she went over to his house. HE then ended up calling 911. He was still on the line when she came back into the house from the garage and fired the gun, with the children standing right next to him. Which was recorded on the call - which if I remember correctly went like this right around the time of the shots:

Him: I'm outta here.

Her: I got something for you. (sounds of shots being fired)

She was also offered a 3 year plea deal after it was explained to her why stand your ground wouldn't work, and what mandatory minimums were. Basically, she was breaking the law by violating the restraining order against her- and she fired a gun while doing that, after re-entering the situation she was supposedly fleeing from, when he was clearly not pursuing her as was evidenced by the fact that he was being recorded the whole time and it was clear from the recording he wasn't. The firing a weapon while committing a crime was what kicked it up to 20 years- the mandatory minimum, and violating the restraining order against her by entering his home (besides his person, his residence and any place he worked was also covered by the order) was what brought that into play.

Now, he had been abusive to her before, so it's not like he was an angel. And apparently she had been abusive before too. Clearly, it was a messed up domestic situation. I don't know what happened between them generally, but what happened that day was not him trying to beat her up and then her trying to scare him off with a warning shot, and what escalated the sentencing was not racial, it was the way the law was written.
 
2013-07-25 08:35:11 PM
The final version of the bill was stripped of a particularly controversial provision that would have dropped background check requirements for handguns

These people are insane.
 
2013-07-25 08:35:35 PM
If this ultimately results in fewer Republican voters, I'm all for it.
 
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