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(New York Daily News)   If you want to eat at one of Brooklyn's ultra-hip restaurants, prepare to "pre-eat" and wait in line for two hours, because many don't take reservations   ( nydailynews.com) divider line
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2013-07-25 03:51:25 PM  
Hipsters, is there anything they can't ruin?

As George Carlin would say, "Pre-suck my genital situation!"
 
2013-07-25 03:51:36 PM  
CSB:

Not my idea, read it in a magazine years back, but when the littles were, well, little, we would serve them a sit-down dinner at home before we went out to a big restaurant. Not talking family spots that cater to kids, but the more formal places. The kids would feast on their favorite chicken fingers or mac & cheese or $latestfoodcraving, and then when we went to the restaurant we'd simply let them order a dessert from the menu.

Not only did it keep prices down, but the kids were interested in going to the restaurant, and were easier to handle because they weren't waiting interminably (for a kid) for course 3: warm water on a fifteen course menu or some silliness. Add in the bonus that we didn't have to shell for a babysitter and could actually expose the littles to something new, inexpensively, and it was one of the best articles I've ever put to use.

/CSB
 
2013-07-25 03:51:57 PM  

ZAZ: Stop feeling so special. Long waits are not an exclusive Brooklyn thing.


Simply put, it's a marketing tactic.  Lots of places do this.

Nothing draws a crowd, like a crowd.  By forcing people to wait in line, the restaurant gets publicity  (like this) and people walking by ask why everyone's waiting...  People naturally assume that if others are willing to wait, then the place must be good.

Around here, it's a tactic used (quite successfully) by one of the more tourist-trappy restaurants, that no local would ever recommend.

Sorry Brooklyn restaurants mentioned in this article, but you're trying too hard to be cool, and we all know what that means.  Do us all a favor, grow up, hire a reservationist, and do your customers a favor instead of treating them like sheep.  Not that hipsters aren't sheep, I suppose, it's just that you're not supposed to so blatantly expose them as such.
 
2013-07-25 03:52:08 PM  

Tigger: Brooklyn is a place for people who want to experience gritty urban authenticity.

Of course none of these people know what gritty urban authenticity is, or how farking unpleasant it is for real.


But you can be damn sure they're calling all their friends back in Indiana to tell them all about it.

There are a million places to eat really well in this city.  A two hour wait?  Fark off.
 
2013-07-25 03:52:12 PM  

Hoboclown: My dad and I went to some place that supposedly had the "Best Lobster Rolls in Boston". We walked in and the waitress said with a straight face that the wait was two and a half hours. They also took no reservations.

We walked literally one restaurant down, were seated immediately, and ate some pretty damn good lobster rolls. Considering the ingredients are lobster and bread I can't imagine what might have been so much better at the first place that's worth waiting so long.


I went with my father to a local restaurant that was extremely well reviewed. We get in and the place is deserted. We ask the hostess for a table and she says, "We only seat for those with reservations." We told her she obviously had open tables and unless she was expecting an entire football team there's no way they'd fill up before we were done. She insisted we needed reservations.

So I got out my phone and called the restaurant and made a reservation for 5 minutes after I called. Then I walked up and told her I had a reservation and that I was early.
 
2013-07-25 03:52:35 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: PainInTheASP: Tigger: Brooklyn is a place for people who want to experience gritty urban authenticity.

Of course none of these people know what gritty urban authenticity is, or how farking unpleasant it is for real.

When I hear "urban authenticity" I think urine-tinged parking garages.

And hobos shiatting on bus stop benches.


used needles are a key component
 
2013-07-25 03:53:21 PM  

wee: My thoughts exactly. I made sous vide scallops pan seared in beurre noisette the other night.


 You gonna deglaze that farkin' pan?

CynicalLA: WTF is a Cronut? Off to google.


WTF is a google?
 
2013-07-25 03:53:59 PM  

wee: Because making people wait adds the perception of value. Its like those stupid chain restaurants (Islands, Cheescake Factory, et al.) that always make you wait a little while. They're trying to make you think you're getting something your not.


I always assumed that the real purpose of making people wait when the place isn't full is to get people to go into the bar and suck down some wildly overpriced, high-profit drinks to kill time.  Especially since the "your table isn't quite ready yet, it'll be about 15 minutes or so" statement is almost always followed up with "if you want to just wait in the bar, we'll let you know as soon as your table is ready."
 
2013-07-25 03:54:35 PM  

InmanRoshi: I never understood what's the incentive for a restaurant to take reservations in the first place.   So a potential table just sits there empty bringing in no revenue while the reserving party is late and/or no shows?   The fact that they have to take reservations suggest they can't meet current demand of waiting customers.


Next and now Alinea (same people, it worked for Next so they started doing it at Alinea too) in Chicago don't take reservations, they sell tickets.  You pay in advance, so there's no more no-show problem of a table going unused with no revenue.
 
2013-07-25 03:54:44 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: lots of little places in a neighborhood where patrons can walk in, have one or two small plates and a signature cocktail or drink, then go onto the next, with most of it being bar/counter service with maybe some tables in the background. You get some people together and hit up several places throughout the night.


This would be stellar. I was lucky enough to enjoy a dozen pinxtos circuit nights in San Sebastian and Bliboa this spring and holy moly was that amazing. Grab a medium sized pour of wine, pick a couple pinxtos off the counter, ingest, hand over a few Euros, then move on. What a friggin fantastic way to spend a night.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pincho

I'm sure the NYC Board of Health would scoff at the idea of having a bar full of food, but what don't they scoff at.

Oh, and you all shouldn't forget that a lot of those people that put themselves on a list and then wait for two hours spread out a bit and spend money in the neighborhood. It's great for bars and shops surrounding these places. I say, let 'em wait.
 
2013-07-25 03:55:51 PM  

InmanRoshi: I never understood what's the incentive for a restaurant to take reservations in the first place.


Because treating your customers well increases their likelihood of return, as well as whether they'll tell others about your restaurant.

So a potential table just sits there empty bringing in no revenue while the reserving party is late and/or no shows?   The fact that they have to take reservations suggest they can't meet current demand of waiting customers.

Ah, I see... You apparently think that reservations are binding contracts or something, and once someone reserves a table, you have to set fire to it if they don't show up. What's wrong with taking reservations, and then giving up the table if they're late or a no show? If they're early or on time, though, then why treat them like some random walk-in who may never come back?

Additionally, if a restaurant takes reservations, then they can pre-adjust for rushes. For example, rather than having 50 couples show up all wanting a table at 8:00 PM, if you're taking reservations hours in advance, you can stagger them from 7:30 to 8:30. No one has to wait, your kitchen and waitstaff don't get slammed, your service is better, tips will be better, and customers will have a better time and will more likely come back.
 
2013-07-25 03:57:36 PM  

Cyberluddite: I always assumed that the real purpose of making people wait when the place isn't full is to get people to go into the bar and suck down some wildly overpriced, high-profit drinks to kill time.  Especially since the "your table isn't quite ready yet, it'll be about 15 minutes or so" statement is almost always followed up with "if you want to just wait in the bar, we'll let you know as soon as your table is ready."


But I want to suck down some overpriced drinks. That's why I'm there.
 
2013-07-25 03:57:44 PM  
Hey, if some loser wants to ruin their own evening, that's their problem and prerogative.

In New York and pretty much every other civilized town there are countless other options that you can and should take advantage of rather than sitting around for 2 hours like an idiot.

"no-reservation" policies are disrespectful of the customer, as it treats the restaurant's time as more valuable than yours.  When the customer is put in second place (or farther back) that's a problem.
 
2013-07-25 03:58:43 PM  
Next Article, "Brooklyn  Food Trucks cater to those waiting for a table"
 
2013-07-25 03:59:06 PM  

GQueue: InmanRoshi: I never understood what's the incentive for a restaurant to take reservations in the first place.   So a potential table just sits there empty bringing in no revenue while the reserving party is late and/or no shows?   The fact that they have to take reservations suggest they can't meet current demand of waiting customers.

Next and now Alinea (same people, it worked for Next so they started doing it at Alinea too) in Chicago don't take reservations, they sell tickets.  You pay in advance, so there's no more no-show problem of a table going unused with no revenue.


That works for Alinea and Next, which have a set menu. Doesn't work so well in other places with variable menus. I suppose you could have a $50 deposit when you reserve a table that is then deducted from your bill, but wouldn't it simply be better to give away tables if you're not there at your reserved time? You  want customers who warn you when they'll be arriving and then do so on time or early, and who cares if you piss off the ones that arrive late?
 
2013-07-25 03:59:22 PM  

ricewater_stool: Dear Brooklyn: get over yourself. You're just not that cool.


Brooklyn is "New York's most populous borough." It's weird when people discuss it like it's a quaint place when the "neighborhood's" aggregate society is bigger than entire metro areas on the mainland US.
 
2013-07-25 03:59:45 PM  
Why is this even a THING? Is it somehow beneficial to be a hipster and a "cool person"? If I have to wait two hours for food, I'll cook it myself, thanks.
 
2013-07-25 03:59:52 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: So do you have a dedicated sous vide machine, or did you make one yourself?  (SO jealous, I really want a sous vide.)


If you have a decent cooler and some ziploc bags, you have a sous vide.  At least good enough for cooking some things (not for veggies and not really for poultry either, but definitely for beef, scallops, pork, and some other stuff).

http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/04/cook-your-meat-in-a-beer-cooler-t he -worlds-best-sous-vide-hack.html
 
2013-07-25 04:00:12 PM  

Cyberluddite: wee: Because making people wait adds the perception of value. Its like those stupid chain restaurants (Islands, Cheescake Factory, et al.) that always make you wait a little while. They're trying to make you think you're getting something your not.

I always assumed that the real purpose of making people wait when the place isn't full is to get people to go into the bar and suck down some wildly overpriced, high-profit drinks to kill time.  Especially since the "your table isn't quite ready yet, it'll be about 15 minutes or so" statement is almost always followed up with "if you want to just wait in the bar, we'll let you know as soon as your table is ready."


To which I should add, BTW, that I generally refuse the offer to take a seat in the bar, and say, "that's OK, I'll just wait right here."  Magically, my table seems to suddenly become "ready" much faster than originally estimated when they realize that they aren't going to be able to soak me for some extra drinks in the bar and that I intend to just stand around and clog up the reception area instead, so they might as well let me sit down at my table now.
 
2013-07-25 04:00:36 PM  

CynicalLA: ManateeGag: no food, anywhere, is worth a 2 hour wait.

These crazy farks that wait hours for these Cronut things are insane.  Those farking pastries better cute cancer!

WTF is a Cronut?  Off to google.


it's a Croissant crossed with a donut.  From what I hear, people show up crazy early for them and sell out by 9am every morning.
 
2013-07-25 04:00:56 PM  

cefm: "no-reservation" policies are disrespectful of the customer, as it treats the restaurant's time as more valuable than yours.  When the customer is put in second place (or farther back) that's a problem.


Many of these restaurants are owned by chefs with entitled rock-star attitudes who view you as a necessary evil to fund their practice of culinary art.
 
2013-07-25 04:01:32 PM  
As a current, temporary Brooklyn resident, I haven't seen this.  Walk down Smith St and some restaurants have lines, and some don't.  They're all the same French-inspired bistro/steakhouse style with overpriced hanger steak, truffled mashed potatoes, truffled fries(sorry, frites), green beans(sorry, haricot verts), and a moderate liquor selection(but shiatty, hipster beers), so it doesn't really matter where you eat.
 
2013-07-25 04:01:52 PM  

cefm: Hey, if some loser wants to ruin their own evening, that's their problem and prerogative.

In New York and pretty much every other civilized town there are countless other options that you can and should take advantage of rather than sitting around for 2 hours like an idiot.

"no-reservation" policies are disrespectful of the customer, as it treats the restaurant's time as more valuable than yours.  When the customer is put in second place (or farther back) that's a problem.


I have this theory that New Yorkers like to be abused, because it makes them feel like they are somehow better, smarter, or tougher than everyone else, when in fact they aren't.
 
2013-07-25 04:02:16 PM  
I wouldn't mind waiting to eat if the food was worth it, but in a place like New York, I would assume half the wait is caused by restaurants keeping a half dozen tables free at all times in case the rich and / or famous decide to drop by. I'd be pissed if I was waiting an hour or more to get a table, only to see Ivanka Trump waltz right past the line and get seated.
 
2013-07-25 04:02:30 PM  
I hate hipsters. I don't get them.
And I'm only 28
/stay off my lawn and what not
 
2013-07-25 04:02:43 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: So do you have a dedicated sous vide machine, or did you make one yourself?  (SO jealous, I really want a sous vide.)


I made two of these.
 
2013-07-25 04:02:53 PM  
A two to four hour wait at the bar? It's a good thing it's in a city where no one drives.
 
2013-07-25 04:03:06 PM  
They don't take reservations at the clover food truck. So...

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2013-07-25 04:03:13 PM  

Treygreen13: So I got out my phone and called the restaurant and made a reservation for 5 minutes after I called. Then I walked up and told her I had a reservation and that I was early.


I did this in DC recently. Walking around, see someplace that looked good, hopped on OpenTable and booked, then walked in the door, past lines and declared I had a reservation. Worked every time, and just made me wonder what the hell the people in line were thinking.
 
2013-07-25 04:04:19 PM  
i visited brooklyn a couple weekends ago.  went to fantastic restaurants and never waited anywhere i went.

The food in new york is incredible.  I bet some of those places are worth a long wait.  I forgot how good the food in new york is.  some places are just unparalleled.
 
2013-07-25 04:04:36 PM  

naughtyrev: Treygreen13: So I got out my phone and called the restaurant and made a reservation for 5 minutes after I called. Then I walked up and told her I had a reservation and that I was early.

I did this in DC recently. Walking around, see someplace that looked good, hopped on OpenTable and booked, then walked in the door, past lines and declared I had a reservation. Worked every time, and just made me wonder what the hell the people in line were thinking.


Or how they were able to make you a reservation when they obviously had a huge line of people waiting to get in.
 
2013-07-25 04:04:40 PM  

ManateeGag: CynicalLA: ManateeGag: no food, anywhere, is worth a 2 hour wait.

These crazy farks that wait hours for these Cronut things are insane.  Those farking pastries better cute cancer!

WTF is a Cronut?  Off to google.

it's a Croissant crossed with a donut.  From what I hear, people show up crazy early for them and sell out by 9am every morning.


Isn't it because they deliberately only make a small amount each day?
 
2013-07-25 04:04:53 PM  

odinsposse: Cyberluddite: I always assumed that the real purpose of making people wait when the place isn't full is to get people to go into the bar and suck down some wildly overpriced, high-profit drinks to kill time.  Especially since the "your table isn't quite ready yet, it'll be about 15 minutes or so" statement is almost always followed up with "if you want to just wait in the bar, we'll let you know as soon as your table is ready."

But I want to suck down some overpriced drinks. That's why I'm there.


Which, of course, you can do at your table when you're seated.  But if I really want to eat at 7:30 but suck down overpriced drinks before that, I'll make my reservation for 7:30 but show up a half-hour early and go into the bar.  I don't make my reservation for 7:00 assuming that I'll really be seated at 7:30 after being forced to drink for half hour after my reservation time before I'm seated at my table.  I hate that bullshiat.
 
2013-07-25 04:05:31 PM  
It used to be that the meal was just the pre fun thing you were gonna do. But these foodie asswipes have turned food into orgasms. Taking pictures of your food while you are at a restaurant I think deserves you getting beat in the face at least once. Trendy or not, fark that noise. I'm happy having a steak at outback as I would at Peter Lugers. Why? Because I am not a lard ass who's world does not relolve around food and/or being seen sitting in stuffy diners that serve barely above McDonalds grade food just to be seen like some asshat with acute attention whore disease. That is a real thing isn't it? If not, just make it up like some mother who is struggling to make their precious snowflake different than all the other booger eaters by saying "My Little Rian Tyan Jefferson cannot eat any food that has touched air" Foodies are idiots. The lot of them. I place them right under lawyers, but above rap talkers (never heard a rapper actually sing before).
 
2013-07-25 04:06:02 PM  

UsikFark: Brooklyn is "New York's most populous borough." It's weird when people discuss it like it's a quaint place when the "neighborhood's" aggregate society is bigger than entire metro areas on the mainland US.


Yeah but the parts of Brooklyn where the hipsters are form a small part of the borough.
 
2013-07-25 04:06:59 PM  
Talde chef Dale Talde insists his no-reservation policy helps the restaurant remain a local joint. "We decided not to take reservations because it was really important to us to make the restaurant a true neighborhood spot, a place where the locals could always pop in and grab a bite to eat," he wrote via email. "It's been successful so far."

in other words, waiting two hours = popping in?
 
2013-07-25 04:07:19 PM  
nope
 
2013-07-25 04:08:00 PM  

ManateeGag: /CSB

Incidentally, I went to Dinosaur BBQ with my wife and some friends.  we were seated in about had our orders taken in about 20 minutes.  after 45 minutes of waiting for food, the waiter comes over, said they ran out of pork and would we want anything else.  We decided to leave, but my wife raised a shiatstorm with the manager, and we ended up getting a comped dinner out of the deal the next time we are there.

/CSB


i assume the harlem one? i can't imagine that troy or rochester are that busy
 
2013-07-25 04:08:47 PM  
F*ck Brooklyn.
I want to go to the place that's the NEXT Brooklyn.
 
2013-07-25 04:09:51 PM  
The only time I ever waited that long was at a place on Milwaukee's East Side called Sally's. We had reservations but after the first 30 minutes Sally herself came out to where we were waiting, apologized, and gave us a complimentary antipasto tray and bottle of wine. Shortly before we were called to our table (another hour) a large group of "connected" men left the restaurant. I guess some don't need reservations.
 
2013-07-25 04:09:52 PM  

Treygreen13: naughtyrev: Treygreen13: So I got out my phone and called the restaurant and made a reservation for 5 minutes after I called. Then I walked up and told her I had a reservation and that I was early.

I did this in DC recently. Walking around, see someplace that looked good, hopped on OpenTable and booked, then walked in the door, past lines and declared I had a reservation. Worked every time, and just made me wonder what the hell the people in line were thinking.

Or how they were able to make you a reservation when they obviously had a huge line of people waiting to get in.


I didn't get that at all. I assumed that maybe they set aside a certain number of tables on the site for each time block and if they're not taken then walk-ins get them, but who knows.
 
2013-07-25 04:09:59 PM  
Goddamn, New Yorkers have to be the dumbest people on the planet
 
2013-07-25 04:10:11 PM  

InmanRoshi: I never understood what's the incentive for a restaurant to take reservations in the first place.


It is helpful for large parties.  I can understand having a minimum number of people of reservations.  If its a party of 10 or so... reservations help everyone.  As well, large parties are most likely not going to cancel or be late.
 
2013-07-25 04:11:00 PM  
Wow.
I mean.
How farking stupid can people get?

I'll tune in next week to see what "hipsters in NY" are up to then, I guess.
 
2013-07-25 04:11:59 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: Goddamn, New Yorkers have to be the dumbest people on the planet


It's a city full of people who moved to New York to be New Yorkers.  The problem is that all the transplants are unknowingly taking cues from each other.
 
2013-07-25 04:12:23 PM  

tricycleracer: It's a city full of people who moved to New York to be New Yorkers.  The problem is that all the transplants are unknowingly taking cues from each other.


Yea and the natives are too stupid to leave
 
2013-07-25 04:12:29 PM  

tlchwi02: i assume the harlem one? i can't imagine that troy or rochester are that busy


I love the one in Syracuse. That is a fun place. Good food, loud music
 
2013-07-25 04:13:06 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: F*ck Brooklyn.
I want to go to the place that's the NEXT Brooklyn.


Brownsville. Still Brooklyn, but then you can look down on all the softies that think their cool because they live in Brooklyn. FoRealz
 
2013-07-25 04:13:34 PM  
"This meal had better change my life," griped Matt Devereaux, 28, of Murray Hill, who only schlepped to Roberta's due to "peer pressure" and found the two-hour wait on a recent Saturday night "obnoxious." "If this doesn't change my life, if this isn't something I can't get in the borough of Manhattan, this is wholly irrelevant."

Dude, look at it for what it is.  The perfect opportunity to learn that a two hour wait for a meal makes you a total tool, controlled by other people, devoid of any critical thinking skills.  If you learn that, it will be life changing and worth the wait.  Otherwise we just hope the life changing comes in the form of choking on the very food you waited on.
 
2013-07-25 04:14:01 PM  
Oh do not go to Dinosaur BBQ and raise a stink. It was founded by Hells Angels and they still hang out there
 
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