JerseyTim: The Groundswellers feel that they too often lose the political narrative to their progressive rivals. One memo that circulated among members declared, "We must reclaim the language and put 'a face' on our messages; tell stories. Write articles on 4th grade level!"Bwahahahahahahhahahahahahahah.
Elandriel: Isn't there a definitive and inherent conflict of interest if a SC Justice's wife is explicitly engaging in partisan political activity designed to limit the influence of her political opposition?One would think that should mean something.
Dr Dreidel: That's a dangerous road to go down, as much as I dislike Ginni Thomas. Is Hillary not allowed to have her health care working group? Should Huma Abedin have been forbidden from working with Hillary when she was NY's junior senator (the conflict of interest with Abedin's husband in the other chamber)?I think Clarence should be wrist-slapped for not disclosing her workings with the Tea Party and specifically the public-policy actions she's taken against the ACA, but wives and husbands share a house, not a brain.// James Carville and Mary Matalin come to mind
Elandriel: I don't know if it's a dangerous road at all. Are heavily weighted partisan politics supposed to infiltrate every single level of our leadership, to go so far as to infest the entire judicial branch?
Elandriel: He should go because his wife has once again undermined him, just like when her company took in hundreds of thousands of dollars from a firm representing a case before him.
Dr Dreidel: // James Carville and Mary Matalin come to mind
Dr Dreidel: James Carville and Mary Matalin come to mind
Isitoveryet: so we should prepare ourselves for this?[www.chicagonow.com image 300x300]
Dr Dreidel: Elandriel: I don't know if it's a dangerous road at all. Are heavily weighted partisan politics supposed to infiltrate every single level of our leadership, to go so far as to infest the entire judicial branch?Assuming we sometimes select ideologues for Justice-ships, yes. Short of classifying what is and is not "mainstream" (which would itself be very political), you sort of have to allow for that, even with all the safeguards we have in place (Senate confirmation, etc).But if wives' activities are disqualifying, what about significant others (which is really just wife/husband-lite)? What about parents and siblings? What about close friends, with whom someone might be closer than a family member? Assuming we look at familial ties, how far out do we go - a 3rd (I think) cousin of mine was the last chair of the SEC; would I need to disclose that even though I think I met her once?Elandriel: He should go because his wife has once again undermined him, just like when her company took in hundreds of thousands of dollars from a firm representing a case before him.And THAT is a specific instance where Clancy should have recused himself - his wife was working for a firm that had filed an amicus brief, yes? Her work (though probably passed through others) was being presented to him, even in a semi-roundabout way, and that is a clear conflict of interest.Anyway, my overall point is that we should focus less on the type of relationship between people and more about the details of the relationship - if they ever influence each other's work (like Ginni on the health care thing - she may not have directly influenced him with that filing, but on its face is a conflict of interest) outside "the house", they've run afoul of my informal metric. Same is true of Rahm and Ari Emmanuel or me and the former SEC Chairwoman - if they never crossed paths professionally, who cares?
karmaceutical: Appointing ideologues to the bench, or having their wives run lobbying groups, or other partisan influence peddlers, is very far removed from the clear intent of the founding fathers.
show me: Right now it's a groundswell. Soon it will be a groundinfection, and then it will get so big that it will burst and shoot groundpus all over everything.
ginandbacon: "Write articles on 4th grade level!"
quartercomma: ginandbacon: "Write articles on 4th grade level!"I don't know if they can raise up that far.They're more on the Tarzan/Tonto/Frankenstein level: "NEGRO PRESIDENT BAAAAAD." "LEAVE THE JOB CREATORS ALOOOOONE"
MasterThief: Remember "Journolist," Mr. Corn? That "progressive" Google group where left-leaning journalists and commentators got together to coordinate messages? The one that you were a member of?...Yeah, figured as much./IOKIYAD?From
Relatively Obscure: "a 30 front war seeking to fundamentally transform the nation,"Imagine if this quote was attached to anything by Obama or even his remotest of associates.
Tripp Johnston Private Eye: When Campaign for America's Future, a progressive group, sent out an email regarding the sequester headlined "Don't let Republicans destroy the economy," Carender sent a message to Groundswell members via the Google group: "What about a 'stick with sequester' (or similar) mantra from our side?" Responding to Carender's note, Peter List of LaborUnionReport.com wrote, "Most Americans don't understand sequesters. We need to be more clever than the Left on this...Something amusing and easy for LIVs [low-information voters] to understand. Maybe a tie in to Humpty Dumpty (the economy) and all King Obama's men ('tax increases') not being able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. (I'm open to anything...and just made that up.)"I always love shiat like this because it shows the utter contempt the GOP secretly has for its base.I'LL NEVER FORGET WHEN ZEROBAMA LET AMBASSADOR DUMPTY DIE IN BENGHAZI
Lochsteppe: MasterThief: Remember "Journolist," Mr. Corn? That "progressive" Google group where left-leaning journalists and commentators got together to coordinate messages? The one that you were a member of?...Yeah, figured as much./IOKIYAD?FromWhich Supreme Court Justice is Corn married to again? Ruth Bader Cornsburg?
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