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(Mother Jones)   It turns out the entire right-wing attack machine is run through a Google Group featuring such luminaries as Ginni Thomas, Allen West and Frank Gaffney. They call it Groundswell   (motherjones.com) divider line 49
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2013-07-25 02:08:22 PM
The Groundswellers feel that they too often lose the political narrative to their progressive rivals. One memo that circulated among members declared, "We must reclaim the language and put 'a face' on our messages; tell stories. Write articles on 4th grade level!"

Bwahahahahahahhahahahahahahah.
 
2013-07-25 02:13:22 PM
Groinsmell is more like it
 
2013-07-25 02:13:42 PM
"a 30 front war seeking to fundamentally transform the nation,"

Imagine if this quote was attached to anything by Obama or even his remotest of associates.
 
2013-07-25 02:19:17 PM

JerseyTim: The Groundswellers feel that they too often lose the political narrative to their progressive rivals. One memo that circulated among members declared, "We must reclaim the language and put 'a face' on our messages; tell stories. Write articles on 4th grade level!"

Bwahahahahahahhahahahahahahah.


I dunno. Writing like a nine year old might be an improvement for most of these folks.
 
2013-07-25 02:20:28 PM
Isn't there a definitive and inherent conflict of interest if a SC Justice's wife is explicitly engaging in partisan political activity designed to limit the influence of her political opposition?

One would think that should mean something.
 
2013-07-25 02:33:15 PM

Elandriel: Isn't there a definitive and inherent conflict of interest if a SC Justice's wife is explicitly engaging in partisan political activity designed to limit the influence of her political opposition?

One would think that should mean something.


One would think so, and yet...
 
2013-07-25 02:40:20 PM

Elandriel: Isn't there a definitive and inherent conflict of interest if a SC Justice's wife is explicitly engaging in partisan political activity designed to limit the influence of her political opposition?

One would think that should mean something.


she should cease and desist or he should be impeached for this.
 
2013-07-25 02:50:10 PM

Elandriel: Isn't there a definitive and inherent conflict of interest if a SC Justice's wife is explicitly engaging in partisan political activity designed to limit the influence of her political opposition?

One would think that should mean something.


That's a dangerous road to go down, as much as I dislike Ginni Thomas. Is Hillary not allowed to have her health care working group? Should Huma Abedin have been forbidden from working with Hillary when she was NY's junior senator (the conflict of interest with Abedin's husband in the other chamber)?

I think Clarence should be wrist-slapped for not disclosing her workings with the Tea Party and specifically the public-policy actions she's taken against the ACA, but wives and husbands share a house, not a brain.

// James Carville and Mary Matalin come to mind
 
2013-07-25 02:52:27 PM
Groundswell members saw immigration as a life-or-death issue. "If we lose on immigration," the post-meeting memo noted, "we lose on every other issue. The key to defeating this bill is Sen. Rubio. He can gracefully remove himself from the 'gang of 8' and still save face...The messaging on this issue has to be 'we can't trust Obama' to enforce immigration laws after the amnesty."

and

Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus, the post-meeting memo huffed, "is sending messages to the party...If we were all gay illegal aliens, the party likes us. He is preparing the way for a change on social issues by giving a warning, 'don't go Old Testament' and advising the party to consider what Rove said about the next nominees could speak favorably of homosexual marriage in the campaign." The memo summed up Groundswell's preferred solution to GOP woes: "embrace the libertarian and conservative wing of the party."

As someone on the left, I'm real scared of their brer messaging campaign.  Their ideological purity is much better than polling, focus groups and common sense for winning elections...really, I'm shaking in my boots
 
2013-07-25 02:54:48 PM
Remember, among these are the mental titans who thought Mitt Romney was going to win the election.
 
2013-07-25 03:01:35 PM

Dr Dreidel: T

hat's a dangerous road to go down, as much as I dislike Ginni Thomas. Is Hillary not allowed to have her health care working group? Should Huma Abedin have been forbidden from working with Hillary when she was NY's junior senator (the conflict of interest with Abedin's husband in the other chamber)?

I think Clarence should be wrist-slapped for not disclosing her workings with the Tea Party and specifically the public-policy actions she's taken against the ACA, but wives and husbands share a house, not a brain.

// James Carville and Mary Matalin come to mind


Your primary examples are of the spouses of people who are, by definition, partisan politicians.  The SC, while failing spectacularly at this mission, is supposed to be above and divorced from partisan politics.  Of course Hillary can promote liberal causes; her husband was elected as a Democratic politician.  Clarence Thomas cannot maintain the illusion of objectively unbiased while having a wife who is actively campaigning against and maligning those damn dirty libs.

I don't know if it's a dangerous road at all.  Are heavily weighted partisan politics supposed to infiltrate every single level of our leadership, to go so far as to infest the entire judicial branch?  Despite that they have is no excuse for us to sit idly by and allow it to continue happening.  Thomas won't be going anywhere because, yeah like hell 2/3 of both branches will vote to support it, but any last faint veneer of non-partisan credibility he may have pretended to claim is tarnished, in this sad lowly farker's eyes, beyond repair.

He should go because his wife has once again undermined him, just like when her company took in hundreds of thousands of dollars from a firm representing a case before him.  He is not credible and frankly he doesn't do anything anyway.  He just sits on the bench not asking a single question or saying a word unless he's given permission by Alito/Scalia.
 
2013-07-25 03:23:18 PM

Elandriel: I don't know if it's a dangerous road at all. Are heavily weighted partisan politics supposed to infiltrate every single level of our leadership, to go so far as to infest the entire judicial branch?


Assuming we sometimes select ideologues for Justice-ships, yes. Short of classifying what is and is not "mainstream" (which would itself be very political), you sort of have to allow for that, even with all the safeguards we have in place (Senate confirmation, etc).

But if wives' activities are disqualifying, what about significant others (which is really just wife/husband-lite)? What about parents and siblings? What about close friends, with whom someone might be closer than a family member? Assuming we look at familial ties, how far out do we go - a 3rd (I think) cousin of mine was the last chair of the SEC; would I need to disclose that even though I think I met her once?

Elandriel: He should go because his wife has once again undermined him, just like when her company took in hundreds of thousands of dollars from a firm representing a case before him.


And THAT is a specific instance where Clancy should have recused himself - his wife was working for a firm that had filed an amicus brief, yes? Her work (though probably passed through others) was being presented to him, even in a semi-roundabout way, and that is a clear conflict of interest.

Anyway, my overall point is that we should focus less on the type of relationship between people and more about the details of the relationship - if they ever influence each other's work (like Ginni on the health care thing - she may not have directly influenced him with that filing, but on its face is a conflict of interest) outside "the house", they've run afoul of my informal metric. Same is true of Rahm and Ari Emmanuel or me and the former SEC Chairwoman - if they never crossed paths professionally, who cares?
 
2013-07-25 03:44:57 PM
Right now it's a groundswell. Soon it will be a groundinfection, and then it will get so big that it will burst and shoot groundpus all over everything.
 
2013-07-25 03:51:10 PM

Dr Dreidel: // James Carville and Mary Matalin come to mind


Who are well-known for deciding important case-law that affects the lives of millions of Americans.
 
2013-07-25 03:51:16 PM
They can use the unskewed polls guy to check and see if their smear campaigns are working.
 
2013-07-25 03:53:13 PM
They use Google Groups!? I bet it's not as cool as all the people in my TFD Google Group :P
 
2013-07-25 03:53:21 PM

Dr Dreidel: James Carville and Mary Matalin come to mind


And now you're stuck with the mental image of the two of them having sex.

Cajun style.
 
2013-07-25 04:03:38 PM
so we should prepare ourselves for this?
www.chicagonow.com
 
2013-07-25 04:08:00 PM

Elandriel: Isn't there a definitive and inherent conflict of interest if a SC Justice's wife is explicitly engaging in partisan political activity designed to limit the influence of her political opposition?

One would think that should mean something.


This is a woman who had received a half million dollars for a no-show job from firms that had cases before her husband.
 
2013-07-25 04:10:33 PM
At its weekly meetings, the group aims to strengthen the right's messaging by crafting Twitter hashtags; plotting strategy on in-the-headlines issues such as voter ID, immigration reform, and the sequester; promoting politically useful scandals; and developing "action items."


Missing from the list: Having good ideas that appeal to someone besides cranky old people.
 
2013-07-25 04:12:03 PM

Isitoveryet: so we should prepare ourselves for this?
[www.chicagonow.com image 300x300]


11, hell.  It's been up above 43,000 for some time now.
 
2013-07-25 04:17:46 PM

Dr Dreidel: Elandriel: I don't know if it's a dangerous road at all. Are heavily weighted partisan politics supposed to infiltrate every single level of our leadership, to go so far as to infest the entire judicial branch?

Assuming we sometimes select ideologues for Justice-ships, yes. Short of classifying what is and is not "mainstream" (which would itself be very political), you sort of have to allow for that, even with all the safeguards we have in place (Senate confirmation, etc).

But if wives' activities are disqualifying, what about significant others (which is really just wife/husband-lite)? What about parents and siblings? What about close friends, with whom someone might be closer than a family member? Assuming we look at familial ties, how far out do we go - a 3rd (I think) cousin of mine was the last chair of the SEC; would I need to disclose that even though I think I met her once?

Elandriel: He should go because his wife has once again undermined him, just like when her company took in hundreds of thousands of dollars from a firm representing a case before him.

And THAT is a specific instance where Clancy should have recused himself - his wife was working for a firm that had filed an amicus brief, yes? Her work (though probably passed through others) was being presented to him, even in a semi-roundabout way, and that is a clear conflict of interest.

Anyway, my overall point is that we should focus less on the type of relationship between people and more about the details of the relationship - if they ever influence each other's work (like Ginni on the health care thing - she may not have directly influenced him with that filing, but on its face is a conflict of interest) outside "the house", they've run afoul of my informal metric. Same is true of Rahm and Ari Emmanuel or me and the former SEC Chairwoman - if they never crossed paths professionally, who cares?


You are treating the SCOTUS like it is just some other job on the hill.  Appointing ideologues to the bench, or having their wives run lobbying groups, or other partisan influence peddlers, is very far removed from the clear intent of the founding fathers.
 
2013-07-25 04:19:04 PM

karmaceutical: Appointing ideologues to the bench, or having their wives run lobbying groups, or other partisan influence peddlers, is very far removed from the clear intent of the founding fathers.


Sez you. Scalia knows their innermost depths, and he's very happy with Justice Thomas.
 
2013-07-25 04:19:32 PM
One of the influential conservatives guiding the group is Virginia "Ginni" Thomas, a columnist for the Daily Caller and a tea party consultant and lobbyist.

Hey, Ginni.  Go and ask Clarence why the home fridge is suddenly being stocked with cans of Coke instead of Mr. Pibb.   I'll wait.
 
2013-07-25 04:21:19 PM
Based on the Republican vs. Republican Civil War tone of many of the group's discussions, I'll go out on a limb and guess that a Republican leaked this story to Mother Jones.

I'll also guess we're going to get to see a lot more Teabagger laundry hanging out there like this...
 
2013-07-25 04:25:11 PM
pics.livejournal.com

And the beat goes on...
 
2013-07-25 04:29:49 PM

Isitoveryet: so we should prepare ourselves for this?
[www.chicagonow.com image 300x300]


We're gonna need to bump it up.

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-07-25 04:31:55 PM

show me: Right now it's a groundswell. Soon it will be a groundinfection, and then it will get so big that it will burst and shoot groundpus all over everything.


It will be nicknamed Obamandswobama by the far right long before that and all the talk will be about how it is filled with RINOs.  They can't help but eat their own, they just can't
 
2013-07-25 05:12:10 PM
img845.imageshack.us
 
2013-07-25 05:47:23 PM
Wow.  They'r e like the Legion Of Doom.

Only without Superpowers.
Or skill.
Or competency.
Or intelligence.
Or coolness.

I guess they do have money, though, so they have that going for them.
 
2013-07-25 06:17:20 PM
This might be scary if it involved anyone who has the ability to communicate with anyone that isn't a right wing conservative.

I've never seen a group of people spend more time trying to strategically manipulate language. It's like the only idea they're comfortable pursuing to reach new voters is come up with a bunch of nicknames for things.

Call it whatever you want, but people think you're a bunch of mean-spirited lying sleazebags. Stop trying to coming up with snappy buzzwords to deceive people and actually listen to someone other than yourselves.
 
2013-07-25 06:31:36 PM
Their ground ain't swell. It's just plain, old dirt.
 
2013-07-25 07:03:51 PM
What a toxic group of people. Does a HazMat team need to decontaminate the meeting room afterward?
 
2013-07-25 07:04:06 PM

ginandbacon: "Write articles on 4th grade level!"


I don't know if they can raise up that far.

They're more on the Tarzan/Tonto/Frankenstein level:  "NEGRO PRESIDENT BAAAAAD."  "LEAVE THE JOB CREATORS ALOOOOONE"
 
2013-07-25 07:17:31 PM

quartercomma: ginandbacon: "Write articles on 4th grade level!"

I don't know if they can raise up that far.

They're more on the Tarzan/Tonto/Frankenstein level:  "NEGRO PRESIDENT BAAAAAD."  "LEAVE THE JOB CREATORS ALOOOOONE"


LOL I try to stay optimistic.

I miss Buckley and Safire.
 
2013-07-25 07:34:42 PM

quartercomma: ginandbacon: "Write articles on 4th grade level!"

I don't know if they can raise up that far.

They're more on the Tarzan/Tonto/Frankenstein level:  "NEGRO PRESIDENT BAAAAAD."  "LEAVE THE JOB CREATORS ALOOOOONE"


That's an insult to Tarzan, Tonto, and Frankenstein's monster.
 
2013-07-25 07:55:46 PM
When Campaign for America's Future, a progressive group, sent out an email regarding the sequester headlined "Don't let Republicans destroy the economy," Carender sent a message to Groundswell members via the Google group: "What about a 'stick with sequester' (or similar) mantra from our side?" Responding to Carender's note, Peter List of LaborUnionReport.com wrote, "Most Americans don't understand sequesters. We need to be more clever than the Left on this...Something amusing and easy for LIVs [low-information voters] to understand. Maybe a tie in to Humpty Dumpty (the economy) and all King Obama's men ('tax increases') not being able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. (I'm open to anything...and just made that up.)"

I always love shiat like this because it shows the utter contempt the GOP secretly has for its base.


I'LL NEVER FORGET WHEN ZEROBAMA LET AMBASSADOR DUMPTY DIE IN BENGHAZI
 
2013-07-25 08:14:32 PM
Remember "Journolist," Mr. Corn?  That "progressive" Google group where left-leaning journalists and commentators got together to coordinate messages?  The one that you were a member of?

...

Yeah, figured as much.

/IOKIYAD?
From
 
2013-07-25 08:46:42 PM

MasterThief: Remember "Journolist," Mr. Corn?  That "progressive" Google group where left-leaning journalists and commentators got together to coordinate messages?  The one that you were a member of?

...

Yeah, figured as much.

/IOKIYAD?
From


Which Supreme Court Justice is Corn married to again? Ruth Bader Cornsburg?
 
2013-07-25 09:29:32 PM
More like "Buttswell" amirite?
 
2013-07-25 10:26:36 PM
FTFA: Boyle proposed, "Fair and equal elections," explaining, "Terms 'fair' and 'equal' connect with most people. It's why the left uses them."

How about "Fair & Balanced® elections"?
 
2013-07-26 12:55:16 AM
A 15 sec internet [YouTube ad] featuring ethnically diverse children on a merry-go-round [soft music]...
Nuclear explosion.
Two bullet points on the facts.
Call to action:
Tell President Obama & Congress not to cut our nation's defense.


This sounds like something Beavis and Butthead would come up with while watching a Rob Zombie video.
 
2013-07-26 02:10:26 AM

Relatively Obscure: "a 30 front war seeking to fundamentally transform the nation,"

Imagine if this quote was attached to anything by Obama or even his remotest of associates.


Howard Dean's 50-state strategy didn't seem too demonized.
 
2013-07-26 06:59:53 AM
"Write articles on 4th grade level!"

i233.photobucket.com

"vicious and unprecedented tactics"

In 1986, the other senator from North Carolina was John East, a clone of Jesse Helms who got in on Reagan's coattails in 1980.  East had cancer and declined to run.  The Republican primary saw Jim Broyhill as the front runner.  Helms thought he was insufficiently fascist, and backed David Funderburk.  The attack ads were some of the most vicious I've ever seen.

Unprecedented tactics my ass.

Broyhill won the primary, but the damage was done.  East offed himself that summer, and Governor Jim Martin appointed Broyhill to replace him; but Terry Sanford won the election just the same.

A 15 sec internet [YouTube ad] featuring ethnically diverse children on a merry-go-round [soft music]...
Nuclear explosion.
Two bullet points on the facts.
Call to action:
Tell President Obama & Congress not to cut our nation's defense.


Remember, boys and girls:

* Unless we give Northrup Grumman MOAR MONEY, the Scary Mooselimbs will nuke us!
* Conventional armies are effective against terrorists, and do nothing to print al Qaeda's propaganda for them.
* But don't even think of raising taxes to pay for our wars.  Defunding Planned Parenthood will pay for it all.
 
2013-07-26 08:03:55 AM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: When Campaign for America's Future, a progressive group, sent out an email regarding the sequester headlined "Don't let Republicans destroy the economy," Carender sent a message to Groundswell members via the Google group: "What about a 'stick with sequester' (or similar) mantra from our side?" Responding to Carender's note, Peter List of LaborUnionReport.com wrote, "Most Americans don't understand sequesters. We need to be more clever than the Left on this...Something amusing and easy for LIVs [low-information voters] to understand. Maybe a tie in to Humpty Dumpty (the economy) and all King Obama's men ('tax increases') not being able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. (I'm open to anything...and just made that up.)"

I always love shiat like this because it shows the utter contempt the GOP secretly has for its base.


I'LL NEVER FORGET WHEN ZEROBAMA LET AMBASSADOR DUMPTY DIE IN BENGHAZI


I'm not sure you are reading that right. I think their view is that they lost elections because the 'low-information voters' vote dem instead of repub because of their low-information status. If the only heard the conservative message in a slightly different manner, they'd see the light and vote GOP. It seems to me that they REALLY think that their message win if they could just get it out to those LIVs...

/facepalm
 
2013-07-26 09:52:06 AM

Isitoveryet: so we should prepare ourselves for this?
[www.chicagonow.com image 300x300]


No, this:

www.photo-host.org
 
2013-07-26 04:24:48 PM
"Oh we're meetin' at the courthouse, at 8 o'clock tonight
You just come in door and take the first turn to the right
Be careful when you get there, we'd hate to be bereft
But we're takin' down the names of everybody turnin' left."

/First thing I thought of
 
2013-07-26 07:35:18 PM

Lochsteppe: MasterThief: Remember "Journolist," Mr. Corn?  That "progressive" Google group where left-leaning journalists and commentators got together to coordinate messages?  The one that you were a member of?

...

Yeah, figured as much.

/IOKIYAD?
From

Which Supreme Court Justice is Corn married to again? Ruth Bader Cornsburg?


LOL.

This is funny because of the massive conservative poutrage over Journolist.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/07/26/watch-after-trumpeting-journo l ist-claims-fox-si/195086
 
2013-07-26 07:38:22 PM
Oops. It's hard to post links when you're laughing.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/mapdt23
 
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