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(Scientific American)   Think you're eating healthier because you *always* buy that "whole grain" bread, not that squishy white bread? You might want to sit down for this   (scientificamerican.com ) divider line
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2013-07-25 12:54:10 PM  
An individual would have to eat 10 bowls of Multi-grain Cheerios, 16 slices of whole-wheat bread, or nine cups of brown rice to get the fiber recommended for an American adult for one day.


It would take over two and a half million bowls of your oat bran cereal to equal the fiber content of one bowl of Super Colon Blow.

i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-25 12:54:19 PM  
Does this mean my sourdough and bagel addiction is actually good for me?  (please, please, please....)
 
2013-07-25 12:54:33 PM  
Old news.

Many brands are also loaded with HFCS. Any real health conscious person knows you need to read labels. All the marketing is for the ignorant masses. And there's a lot of mass out there.
 
2013-07-25 12:54:57 PM  
Bread is probably killing you anyway.
 
2013-07-25 12:55:06 PM  

Kirzania: Bake your own white bread. Problem solved.
/not THAT hard


Fail.  The issue is that the FLOUR USED is not made of the complete grain.  You would have to grind your own wheat.
 
2013-07-25 12:55:12 PM  

ringersol: ThrobblefootSpectre: "You have to read the nutrition label to know what's in it?"

Except the bit about the food industry gaming definitions, which is half the point of the article.

e.g.
The label may say whole grain. It might even have the same net fiber content as the 'actual' whole grain bread.
But if the fiber isn't *on* the grain (if it's been steamed and rolled), you still get the blood sugar spike, the insulin response and the overeating.

And then there are the preservatives...


I said "nutrition label". It lists the dietary fibre content regardless of marketing terms. :)
 
2013-07-25 12:55:55 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Everything you can eat is simultaneously healthy and going to kill you.

But this will be a nice article to show my GF, who insists on buying the shiatty wheat bread that is no better for you than white bread but a million times worse when it comes to making grilled cheese sandwiches.


There's your problem. If it's crappy bread it won't make good grilled cheese regardless if it's whole wheat or white. I have a loaf in the fridge right now of something or other that's tasty and makes great grilled cheese sandwiches. Can't remember the brand off the top of my head.
 
2013-07-25 12:56:09 PM  

Scaevola: In other words: health is about long-term moderation and balance, and not about finding some magic-bullet flavor of the month ingredient for you to OD on.


True, but my take-away from this article and others like them are that product terms that used to have common sense meaning have been redefined by agribusiness.  So a number of ingredients one wants to include into one's diet may not be as healthy as assumed.

Which is just one more reason to make products yourself.
 
2013-07-25 12:56:44 PM  

Jument: Everything in moderation, and then you die. The end.


"Everything In Moderation (Especially Moderation)"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu7I-h5kpRU

NSFW NOFX
 
2013-07-25 12:57:09 PM  

SuperChuck: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: trailerpimp: Oh fark it
I'm tired of every damn thing which is supposed to be good being bad and vicey versy.
As of today I'm drinking more eating more and to hell with every one of these gotdamn studies.

I felt the same after I heard that fish oil doesn't actually do anything but raise your risk of fatal cancers.

But snake oil's still good, right?


But who wants to oil a snake

/goes off to practice with my jugband
 
2013-07-25 12:57:17 PM  
Ah HA!  I'm already sitting down!

Take that subby.
 
2013-07-25 12:58:00 PM  
Is 12 grain bread good for you? I started eating that a few months ago and really like it.
 
2013-07-25 12:58:04 PM  
I think whole grain bread just tastes good.  White bread is boring...unless you want a grilled cheese.  Which I don't.  Well now I sort of do...
 
2013-07-25 12:58:17 PM  
FTA:

One problem with the current definition of "whole grain" is that it doesn't account for fiber-and many whole grain products on supermarket shelves contain very little. An individual would have to eat 10 bowls of Multi-grain Cheerios, 16 slices of whole-wheat bread, or nine cups of brown rice to get the fiber recommended for an American adult for one day.

Anyone else seeing the Phil Hartman "Colon Blow" sketch in their head reading that?
 
2013-07-25 12:58:33 PM  

Buttknuckle: Doesn't look like it, but I would need to go out and buy a goddamn dough hook for my POS mixer, and trays. No thanks!


Oh, fine. Be that way. I don't know how you buy a mixer that doesn't come WITH a dough hook but, here. Boule recipe. No excuses now.

mike_d85: You would have to grind your own wheat.


Sure, if you wanna go Full Mormon.
 
2013-07-25 12:58:47 PM  

FloydA: An individual would have to eat 10 bowls of Multi-grain Cheerios, 16 slices of whole-wheat bread, or nine cups of brown rice to get the fiber recommended for an American adult for one day.


It would take over two and a half million bowls of your oat bran cereal to equal the fiber content of one bowl of Super Colon Blow.


So basically recommended daily fiber should have us gnawing on particle board all day?
 
2013-07-25 12:58:54 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Kirzania: Bake your own white bread. Problem solved.
/not THAT hard

Make your own yogurt. Room temperature, no machines, no electricity, no heat. It's called viili or villi or vili.



Pshaw.  Farkers don't need to be told to "make their own yogurt."
 
2013-07-25 12:59:17 PM  
If you've read books about processed food like  Salt, Sugar, Fat or  Pandora's Lunchbox or even  Fast Food Nation, you probably won't be surprised by this article, because it's saying that the more processed the grains are, the more adverse reactions they cause in your body (spiking insulin levels, keeping you hungrier longer, and so forth).

If you're going to eat a single sandwich for lunch every day with whole-grain bread, it doesn't really matter if you're eating the good stuff or the junk. But if you're going to eat a lot of pasta, rice, oatmeal and other grains and you're going with the whole grain variety to reduce the impact of these foods on your diet, you need to be discerning about what you buy.

For what it's worth, this stuff is pretty healthy compared to most supermarket breads:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-25 12:59:48 PM  

lordargent: There's no such thing as healthy foods, only healthy quantities.

// hikes up small mountains for fun

// after a hike, don't stand between my provisions and I

// Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?
[fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net image 720x960]


Looks like a screencap from GTA V
 
2013-07-25 01:00:16 PM  
Dammit... Should have refreshed... (shakes tiny fists at FloydA)
 
2013-07-25 01:01:24 PM  

xoxo: Is 12 grain bread good for you? I started eating that a few months ago and really like it.


sand, gunpowder or alcohol would probably not be suitable for bread.
 
2013-07-25 01:01:35 PM  
Non-sense, all the commercials I saw say people who eat whole grains "TEND" to weigh less or "COULD" lose weight.

Oh wait, they put qualifiers in there so they can wiggle out of lawsuits for outright lying?
 
2013-07-25 01:01:42 PM  

dragonchild: trailerpimp: I'm tired of every damn thing which is supposed to be good being bad and vicey versy.

The article said nothing to contradict the health benefits of whole grains, though it tried mightily.  The real issue is fraud.  The term "whole grain" has been legally redefined by industry shills so that it's a laughing mockery of what it really is.  And this is nothing new.


This.
 
2013-07-25 01:01:46 PM  

big pig peaches: Old news.

Many brands are also loaded with HFCS. Any real health conscious person knows you need to read labels. All the marketing is for the ignorant masses. And there's a lot of mass out there.


do you know why High Fructose Rice Syrup is supposed to be OK?

/they keep making sugar out of things that aren't sugar...
 
2013-07-25 01:02:21 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: trailerpimp: Oh fark it
I'm tired of every damn thing which is supposed to be good being bad and vicey versy.
As of today I'm drinking more eating more and to hell with every one of these gotdamn studies.

I felt the same after I heard that fish oil doesn't actually do anything but raise your risk of fatal cancers.


That's if the oil is rancid.

Also, too, if you take too many pills or too much liquid oil, there is the chance of pollutants.
 
2013-07-25 01:03:18 PM  

FloydA: TheShavingofOccam123: Kirzania: Bake your own white bread. Problem solved.
/not THAT hard

Make your own yogurt. Room temperature, no machines, no electricity, no heat. It's called viili or villi or vili.


Pshaw.  Farkers don't need to be told to "make their own yogurt."


In the summer, I make my own gravy...
 
2013-07-25 01:03:26 PM  
I like the 15-grain bread that has seeds in it even, but just for the taste.  Toasted it's good for sammiches.

I like white bread too, but not so much for sammiches.
 
2013-07-25 01:03:59 PM  
No shiat. Whole grains are worse for you than refined by far. Only because there's less grain in it which isn't good for you in the first place. Buh.
 
2013-07-25 01:04:18 PM  
I thought everyone had suddenly turned gluten intolerant and nobody ate bread anyway.
 
2013-07-25 01:04:58 PM  
As an avid baker, I do all of my own anyway with good quality ingredients. The next step involves me getting a grinder for my Electolux Mixer of Awesomeness and milling my own.

/serious home baker
//and a little crazy about it
 
2013-07-25 01:05:41 PM  

HailRobonia: I felt the same after I heard that fish oil


Fish oil supplements. It almost seems as if attempts to "cheat" at eating healthy by using vitamins and the like simply makes matters worse.
 
2013-07-25 01:06:03 PM  

HailRobonia: Health-conscious zombies only eat whole brain bread whatever crap the advertising industry will pimp out.


FTFY.
 
2013-07-25 01:06:32 PM  
i39.photobucket.com

No denyin', we're going against the grain!
 
2013-07-25 01:07:00 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Everything you can eat is simultaneously healthy and going to kill you.

But this will be a nice article to show my GF, who insists on buying the shiatty wheat bread that is no better for you than white bread but a million times worse when it comes to making grilled cheese sandwiches.


This; it's not about what you eat, it's about how much you eat.
 
2013-07-25 01:07:06 PM  
As a former baker, I can tell you it's really not that hard to make your own awesome bread from scratch. A big KitchenAid mixer helps obviously, but even by hand, you can make enough bread for a month (or more) with about 45 minutes of actual work. The process take half a day - but it's mainly waiting around for the dough to proof, then baking. For shiats-n-giggles, add whole grain ingredients like oats, sunflower seeds, millet seeds, etc.

Whoops, I probably just gave away where I used to work to those who are baking savvy. :-)
 
2013-07-25 01:07:54 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: FloydA: TheShavingofOccam123: Kirzania: Bake your own white bread. Problem solved.
/not THAT hard

Make your own yogurt. Room temperature, no machines, no electricity, no heat. It's called viili or villi or vili.


Pshaw.  Farkers don't need to be told to "make their own yogurt."

In the summer, I make my own gravy...


i105.photobucket.com
You're soaking it it!
 
2013-07-25 01:09:41 PM  
News Flash: bread is not healthy.  None of it.
 
2013-07-25 01:09:48 PM  

Dinjiin: Scaevola: In other words: health is about long-term moderation and balance, and not about finding some magic-bullet flavor of the month ingredient for you to OD on.

True, but my take-away from this article and others like them are that product terms that used to have common sense meaning have been redefined by agribusiness.  So a number of ingredients one wants to include into one's diet may not be as healthy as assumed.

Which is just one more reason to make products yourself.


Agreed.  Agribusiness and Big Food marketing have created and maintained a sense of confusion for the average food shopper, a confusion that they then step in to "clarify".
 
2013-07-25 01:12:05 PM  

Head_Shot: As a former baker, I can tell you it's really not that hard to make your own awesome bread from scratch. A big KitchenAid mixer helps obviously, but even by hand, you can make enough bread for a month (or more) with about 45 minutes of actual work. The process take half a day - but it's mainly waiting around for the dough to proof, then baking. For shiats-n-giggles, add whole grain ingredients like oats, sunflower seeds, millet seeds, etc.

Whoops, I probably just gave away where I used to work to those who are baking savvy. :-)


This.

No knead bread dough (water, salt, yeast and flour) left overnight, then shaped left to rise an hour or so then baked for 30 minutes. Not hard at all.
 
2013-07-25 01:12:51 PM  
I got your colon blow right here:

1-3/4 cups whole wheat flour
2 cups all purpose flour
2 500 mg. vitamin C tablets, crushed
2 Tbsp soy flour
2 Tbsp cornmeal
2 Tbsp cracked wheat cereal or bulgur wheat
1 Tbsp oatmeal
1 Tbsp flax seeds
2 tsp salt
2 Tbsp dry milk
2-1/2 Tbsp butter
2 Tbsp molasses
1-3/4 cups water
1-1/2 tsp active dry yeast
 
2013-07-25 01:13:17 PM  
Kirzania:
mike_d85: You would have to grind your own wheat.

Sure, if you wanna go Full Mormon.


I... what?

/I googled.
//what... the... fark...
 
2013-07-25 01:13:57 PM  

mike_d85: big pig peaches: Old news.

Many brands are also loaded with HFCS. Any real health conscious person knows you need to read labels. All the marketing is for the ignorant masses. And there's a lot of mass out there.

do you know why High Fructose Rice Syrup is supposed to be OK?

/they keep making sugar out of things that aren't sugar...


I avoid anything with the word "syrup" unless I'm actually buying syrup which I know is sugar but it's still yummy in moderation.

My favorite pasta has 2 ingredients. One of which is water.
 
2013-07-25 01:14:24 PM  
ak2.picdn.net www.fastcoexist.com
indianapublicmedia.org

Mmmm, bread. yummy
 
2013-07-25 01:16:12 PM  

FloydA: An individual would have to eat 10 bowls of Multi-grain Cheerios, 16 slices of whole-wheat bread, or nine cups of brown rice to get the fiber recommended for an American adult for one day.


I read that too and laughed out loud.

What is sitting on my counter is Sara Lee 100% whole wheat bread. I mean, it's Sara Lee how healthy can it be?? Yet if the nutrition label on the back is to be believed it says that each slice contains 3g of fiber and 5 grams of protein.  That would mean that it only take twelve slices (not 16) to get 100% of the fiber for one day (38g average for men) plus it would also give me 60g of protein which is also exactly the RDA for protein. (Though I personally think the RDA for protein is too low). Since each slice is 100 calories that makes 12 slices of bread 1200 calories, which is basically the minimum amount of daily calories one needs to live.

So twelve slices of freaking Sara Lee bread will keep one alive and meet all one's daily fiber and protein needs.

In yet more words, the article is 100% bullshiat.
 
2013-07-25 01:17:46 PM  

Casey Anthony: [ak2.picdn.net image 400x224] [www.fastcoexist.com image 450x278]
[indianapublicmedia.org image 624x416]

Mmmm, bread. yummy


www.internetafterdark.com
/approves
 
2013-07-25 01:18:18 PM  

maxheck: I got your colon blow right here:

1-3/4 cups whole wheat flour
2 cups all purpose flour
2 500 mg. vitamin C tablets, crushed
2 Tbsp soy flour
2 Tbsp cornmeal
2 Tbsp cracked wheat cereal or bulgur wheat
1 Tbsp oatmeal
1 Tbsp flax seeds
2 tsp salt
2 Tbsp dry milk
2-1/2 Tbsp butter
2 Tbsp molasses
1-3/4 cups water
1-1/2 tsp active dry yeast


anadama
 
2013-07-25 01:19:05 PM  
I am not into that paleo diet trend, but I did try a recipe for "paleo bread" that was full on awesome.

Talk about whole grain. Not for the weak-intestined.
 
2013-07-25 01:20:24 PM  
worlddan: So twelve slices of freaking Sara Lee bread will keep one alive and meet all one's daily fiber and protein needs.

You need a vitamin enriched bread, and some water, and you're all set to run a dungeon.
 
2013-07-25 01:20:36 PM  

Casey Anthony: [ak2.picdn.net image 400x224] [www.fastcoexist.com image 450x278]
[indianapublicmedia.org image 624x416]

Mmmm, bread. yummy


Mmmm, penicillin. Lifesavey
 
2013-07-25 01:21:59 PM  

lordargent: worlddan: So twelve slices of freaking Sara Lee bread will keep one alive and meet all one's daily fiber and protein needs.

You need a vitamin enriched bread, and some water, and you're all set to run a dungeon.


Will Lembas do?
 
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