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(Scientific American)   Think you're eating healthier because you *always* buy that "whole grain" bread, not that squishy white bread? You might want to sit down for this   (scientificamerican.com) divider line 177
    More: Ironic, whole grains, Ars, American Society for Nutrition  
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2013-07-25 12:34:03 PM
Health-conscious zombies only eat whole brain bread.
 
2013-07-25 12:35:24 PM

HailRobonia: Health-conscious zombies only eat whole hole brain bread.

 
2013-07-25 12:36:19 PM
what about bran muffins... those are still perfectly awesomely health items to eat right?


RIGHT?!?!?!?!
 
2013-07-25 12:36:59 PM
I only eat potato bread
 
2013-07-25 12:37:37 PM
Oh fark it
I'm tired of every damn thing which is supposed to be good being bad and vicey versy.
As of today I'm drinking more eating more and to hell with every one of these gotdamn studies.
 
2013-07-25 12:38:30 PM
Looking forward to the rest of the thread where the cheeto brigade uses this to dismiss all healthy, natural, organic foods.
 
2013-07-25 12:39:07 PM
Everything you can eat is simultaneously healthy and going to kill you.

But this will be a nice article to show my GF, who insists on buying the shiatty wheat bread that is no better for you than white bread but a million times worse when it comes to making grilled cheese sandwiches.
 
2013-07-25 12:39:30 PM
Everything in moderation, and then you die. The end.
 
2013-07-25 12:39:31 PM

trailerpimp: Oh fark it
I'm tired of every damn thing which is supposed to be good being bad and vicey versy.
As of today I'm drinking more eating more and to hell with every one of these gotdamn studies.


I felt the same after I heard that fish oil doesn't actually do anything but raise your risk of fatal cancers.
 
2013-07-25 12:39:56 PM
"not always healthful"?

wtf am I reading?
 
2013-07-25 12:41:02 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: trailerpimp: Oh fark it
I'm tired of every damn thing which is supposed to be good being bad and vicey versy.
As of today I'm drinking more eating more and to hell with every one of these gotdamn studies.

I felt the same after I heard that fish oil doesn't actually do anything but raise your risk of fatal cancers.


But snake oil's still good, right?
 
2013-07-25 12:41:13 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: trailerpimp: Oh fark it
I'm tired of every damn thing which is supposed to be good being bad and vicey versy.
As of today I'm drinking more eating more and to hell with every one of these gotdamn studies.

I felt the same after I heard that fish oil doesn't actually do anything but raise your risk of fatal cancers.


It also keeps your haddock from squeaking.
 
2013-07-25 12:41:14 PM
You have to read the nutrition label to know what's in it? Gosh, good thing I sat down for that news.
 
2013-07-25 12:41:21 PM
And this is why my plan of only eating deep fried foods continues to look better and better.


Now if someone could dial 911 and send them to my location, that would be great.
 
2013-07-25 12:41:25 PM
No, I think I'm eating healthier because I eat whole chickens.  Whole, Live, free-range chickens.
 
2013-07-25 12:41:51 PM
I think we have a FOX in the henhouse...........

FTFA:  But in a definition created in 1999 by the American Association of Cereal Chemists (AACC) International,


WTF is this "re-defining" shiat?

It does nothing but muddy the waters........ which is all these companies want..............
 
2013-07-25 12:42:37 PM

Jument: Everything in moderation, and then you die. The end.


I recommend taking death in moderation as well.
 
2013-07-25 12:42:49 PM
Warning should be about FDA.  It's a political group and is not to be trusted.
 
2013-07-25 12:43:13 PM

trailerpimp: I'm tired of every damn thing which is supposed to be good being bad and vicey versy.


The article said nothing to contradict the health benefits of whole grains, though it tried mightily.  The real issue is fraud.  The term "whole grain" has been legally redefined by industry shills so that it's a laughing mockery of what it really is.  And this is nothing new.

There are few, if any, industries out there that have more contempt for their customers than Big Agri.
 
2013-07-25 12:43:35 PM

LandOfChocolate: Looking forward to the rest of the thread where the cheeto brigade uses this to dismiss all healthy, natural, organic foods.


Remember;

A winner never cheetos and cheetos never win.
 
2013-07-25 12:43:41 PM
This is why you actually look at the nutrition information to look at the amount of dietary fiber in the bread that you're buying.  It varies widely, but you can get anywhere from just 2mg per serving to 6mg per serving on products that are otherwise just labeled as "whole wheat".
 
2013-07-25 12:44:10 PM

LandOfChocolate: the cheeto brigade


I like that and will try to incorporate that into daily conversation as much as possible.
 
2013-07-25 12:44:15 PM
What if I don't eat the extra fiber whole wheat for the supposed nutritional benefits? What if I just enjoy the poops that I must imagine god himself is slightly envious of?

Am I still ok with those?
 
2013-07-25 12:44:16 PM
I really like whole wheat potato bread for sandwhiches...
 
2013-07-25 12:44:43 PM
You can have my bread when you pry it from my cold, crumb covered hands.

I bake it in the winter, but when when it's super hot out, it's not worth heating the entire house up for a load of fresh bread, and DAMMIT now I want to make bread tonight, and it's supposed to be like 95 today.
 
2013-07-25 12:44:44 PM
Why the f*ck does our government allow this blatant and misleading advertisement?  I mean, seriously, this is just one example of many.  Advertising seems to be a game of dishonesty and a lot of it should be considered criminal.
 
2013-07-25 12:45:14 PM
Turns out if you eat crappy bread made of mostly non-food ingredients, it doesn't matter whether it's white or whole wheat, it's still slowly killing you.

Who knew??
 
2013-07-25 12:47:12 PM

meat0918


I bake it in the winter


Interesting - I think most people bake it in the oven.
 
2013-07-25 12:47:17 PM
"endosperm"

...Is that what we've been eating?
 
2013-07-25 12:47:39 PM
Bake your own white bread. Problem solved.
/not THAT hard
 
2013-07-25 12:47:56 PM
Lobbyists are the threat to your health.

Anyone that calls a mix of separated parts of different grains "whole grain" is either crazy or has large sums of cash paid to him.

Quarterly profits are more important than the health of Americans. Never ever forget that.
 
2013-07-25 12:48:39 PM
Buttknuckle

Why the f*ck does our government allow this blatant and misleading advertisement? I mean, seriously, this is just one example of many. Advertising seems to be a game of dishonesty and a lot of it should be considered criminal.

It has been awhile since our government had a single thing to do with honesty.
 
2013-07-25 12:49:35 PM
It's still OK to give my baby fruit juice, right? Good ol' healthy apple juice!
 
2013-07-25 12:49:55 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Everything you can eat is simultaneously healthy and going to kill you.

But this will be a nice article to show my GF, who insists on buying the shiatty wheat bread that is no better for you than white bread but a million times worse when it comes to making grilled cheese sandwiches.


An interesting compromise my family has reached is buying oatmeal bread. It is just as delicious as white bread and great for grilled cheese. At the same time it satisfies the health nuts who insist on whole grain. Is it actually healthier? I have no idea and could care less. As long as you get plenty of exercise and eat some fruit every day for digestion I think you should be fine.
 
2013-07-25 12:50:20 PM

meat0918: You can have my bread when you pry it from my cold, crumb covered hands.

I bake it in the winter, but when when it's super hot out, it's not worth heating the entire house up for a load of fresh bread, and DAMMIT now I want to make bread tonight, and it's supposed to be like 95 today.


Get a used stove/oven where the oven still works and put it the fark outside.   Geez.
 
2013-07-25 12:50:40 PM
There's no such thing as healthy foods, only healthy quantities.

// hikes up small mountains for fun

// after a hike, don't stand between my provisions and I

// Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?
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2013-07-25 12:50:47 PM
In other words: health is about long-term moderation and balance, and not about finding some magic-bullet flavor of the month ingredient for you to OD on.
 
2013-07-25 12:50:48 PM
'Healthful'? Is that their bestest English?
 
2013-07-25 12:50:51 PM
Phhhhht like I'm going to put pastrami, corned beef, and horseradish mustard on white or wheat bread....


/Rye bread all the way
//Okay fine fine... sometimes pumpernickel
///*sigh* we can let in english muffin also
 
2013-07-25 12:50:51 PM
So, in other words, don't buy garbage food from huge conglomerates. Got it.
 
2013-07-25 12:51:02 PM

sharpen a stick at both ends: "endosperm"

...Is that what we've been eating?


Not entirely. There's rodent feces mixed in too.
 
2013-07-25 12:51:15 PM

Kirzania: Bake your own white bread. Problem solved.
/not THAT hard


Doesn't look like it, but I would need to go out and buy a goddamn dough hook for my POS mixer, and trays.  No thanks!
 
2013-07-25 12:51:31 PM

Kirzania: Bake your own white bread. Problem solved.
/not THAT hard


Make your own yogurt. Room temperature, no machines, no electricity, no heat. It's called viili or villi or vili.

Cultures for Health sells it. Not pimping.

http://www.culturesforhealth.com/viili-yogurt-starter.html

And here's their video if you don't believe me about how easy it is to make

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8ZXWB6mOWE&list=PL270FD57565A35F5F
 
2013-07-25 12:51:44 PM
ThrobblefootSpectre: "You have to read the nutrition label to know what's in it?"

Except the bit about the food industry gaming definitions, which is half the point of the article.

e.g.
The label may say whole grain. It might even have the same net fiber content as the 'actual' whole grain bread.
But if the fiber isn't *on* the grain (if it's been steamed and rolled), you still get the blood sugar spike, the insulin response and the overeating.

And then there are the preservatives...
 
2013-07-25 12:52:09 PM
I eat steamed pumpernickel and sprouted grain bread. Lots of flavour.
 
2013-07-25 12:52:40 PM

SirGunslinger: Phhhhht like I'm going to put pastrami, corned beef, and horseradish mustard on white or wheat bread....


/Rye bread all the way
//Okay fine fine... sometimes pumpernickel
///*sigh* we can let in english muffin also


Ditto
 
2013-07-25 12:52:44 PM

meat0918: You can have my bread when you pry it from my cold, crumb covered hands.

I bake it in the winter, but when when it's super hot out, it's not worth heating the entire house up for a load of fresh bread, and DAMMIT now I want to make bread tonight, and it's supposed to be like 95 today.


Damnit I want to make some of my awesome rolls, I used those things for everything and stopped making other loaves entirely.  Burgers, sandwiches, warm with melted butter, no fixins at all but just plain for breakfast...things were soooo good.  Of course, eating a ton of them and not being active made me put on a bunch of weight, so losing that now before I go back to eating the Rolls of Awesome.

4c bread flour, 1/4c sugar, 4tbs butter, 2tsp yeast, 1c milk, 1/4c water (or 1 1/4c milk), 1tsp salt.  knead or bread machine dough cycle, raise for an hour, pinch off for pan rolls or whatever style you want, raise another 1-2 hrs (oven raising trick works great, and they get huge), bake 10-15m @ 350
 
2013-07-25 12:52:46 PM
Can we all please just eat our fruits, vegetables, avocados, get good protein, get good exercise, and be strong, healthy, and happy? Please? Please?
 
2013-07-25 12:53:50 PM

WhippingBoy: It's still OK to give my baby fruit juice, right? Good ol' healthy apple juice!


Yeah, pesticide and arsenic levels aside, that stuff is so amazing at rotting teeth.
 
2013-07-25 12:54:05 PM
That hard hitting article totally blew away none of my preconceptions about whole grains. I am totally not shocked that the processed bread dyed brown is just as bad as the processed bread bleached white.
 
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