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2013-07-25 09:40:56 AM
...local horse carers believe the butchery was part of an evil occult or Pagan ceremony by Devil worshippers.

The Devil is a Christian deity. Not pagan.
 
2013-07-25 09:46:33 AM
These guys are Satanists, eh?  Where in LeVay's work is this particular ritual?
 
2013-07-25 09:50:02 AM
Guys like this are what gives Satanism a bad name.
 
2013-07-25 10:00:13 AM
i.imgur.com

Satanists, Schmatanists. Its probably Milhouse.
 
2013-07-25 10:02:52 AM
FTFA: The bodies had been arranged in a Satanic star shape, known as a pentangle, or laid out in a circle with their necks broken.

i.imgur.com

The evidence is clear. Arrest all Moroccans.
 
2013-07-25 10:36:03 AM
mutilated in a ring of fire

And it burns, burns, burns.....
 
2013-07-25 10:47:03 AM
In other news, religion continues to be stupid and gives people all the reasons they need to do stupid things.
 
2013-07-25 10:56:38 AM
WTF, England?
 
2013-07-25 10:57:00 AM

Facetious_Speciest: ...local horse carers believe the butchery was part of an evil occult or Pagan ceremony by Devil worshippers.

The Devil is a Christian deity. Not pagan.


^^^THIS
/Nothing pisses off satanists faster than to remind them of this
 
2013-07-25 10:57:31 AM
What about the Virgin Connie Swale?
 
2013-07-25 10:57:45 AM
A dark Satanic cult has been blamed for the death of a pony which was horrifically mutilated in a ring of fire during a full moon. . . .

That's the worst kind of Satanic cult, you know.
 
2013-07-25 10:58:02 AM
Satanic cults are to blame? Is it 1987 already?
 
2013-07-25 10:58:31 AM
Get Scully and Mulder on the case.
 
2013-07-25 10:58:31 AM
I was going to go on a rant about the first amendment, satanism, and other factors, then I checked and discovered this isn't the U.S.
 
2013-07-25 10:59:40 AM

question_dj: These guys are Satanists, eh?  Where in LeVay's work is this particular ritual?


QFT,

People Make Shiat Up and Do It For Teh LULZ. Oh and ATTENTION WHORING!!!
 
2013-07-25 10:59:55 AM
Are Satanists really a thing? Or is it just one big troll so that people have an excuse to be assholes?
 
2013-07-25 11:01:29 AM

Di Atribe: Are Satanists really a thing? Or is it just one big troll so that people have an excuse to be assholes?


I think you meant 'have an excuse to put holes in asses'
 
2013-07-25 11:01:49 AM

mike_d85: /Nothing pisses off satanists faster than to remind them of this


Was that information provided as a warning or a tip?
 
2013-07-25 11:02:29 AM
Anyone reading the story knows it was an alien autopsy.

"It was also surrounded by circular patches of burnt moorland - which experts believe were left by a ring of torches or candles."

Authorities always quick to blame innocent satanists and rock bands when there is no logical explanation.
 
2013-07-25 11:02:31 AM
Di Atribe

Are Satanists really a thing?

Satanists really are a thing. Generally speaking, there are three main types: atheists, Satan-as-hero people, and "OMG TEH DARK LORD MAKES ME CUT!" folks.
 
2013-07-25 11:03:13 AM
Di Atribe:  Or is it just one big troll so that people have an excuse to be assholes?

Yes. Most other religions, too.
 
2013-07-25 11:05:28 AM
Sounds like they have a bored psychopathic teen in the area.
 
2013-07-25 11:06:15 AM
It's amazing how both satanists and scavengers both go for the same parts.
 
2013-07-25 11:08:03 AM
24.media.tumblr.com

P.A.G.A.N.s?
 
2013-07-25 11:08:20 AM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

IT"S THIS HEAVY METAL MUSIC THE KIDS LISTEN TOO THESE DAYS!!!!!1

csb

I remember when I was a young lad flipping through the channels on summer break. There was a christian station showing a special on how heavy metal has made kids turn to SATAN. It had footage of Metallica shows, AC/DC shows, Megadeath etc. That show is what made me get into the heavier side of Rock.

end csb
 
2013-07-25 11:09:47 AM

BSABSVR: Satanic cults are to blame? Is it 1987 already?


This is what happens when we let our kids play that evil Dungeons and Dragons "game."

/probably Marilyn Manson's fault, too
 
2013-07-25 11:09:49 AM

meat0918: Sounds like they have a bored psychopathic teen in the area.


I'd go with this. If there's one thing we learned from the 80's, it's that Satanic Cults just don't exist, it's just Jack Chick blowing smoke up your donkey.
 
2013-07-25 11:09:52 AM
wait!

is a donkey a pony?
 
2013-07-25 11:10:26 AM

Fano: What about the Virgin Connie Swale?


Connie Swale is fine.
 
2013-07-25 11:11:18 AM

Facetious_Speciest: ...local horse carers believe the butchery was part of an evil occult or Pagan ceremony by Devil worshippers.

The Devil is a Christian deity. Not pagan.


Not a deity. More like a hollywood boogeyman. Much of what modern christians, and 'satanists', believe is formed more by movies than anything else.
 
2013-07-25 11:11:46 AM
These bastards are going straight to Hell!
 
2013-07-25 11:15:14 AM
J. Frank Parnell

Not a deity.

Any being with superpowers that has worshipers is a deity where I come from.
 
2013-07-25 11:16:09 AM
I briefly thought about the satanist aliens behind cattle mutilations in the American southwest, but I doubt they have coyotes in Devonshire.
 
2013-07-25 11:17:32 AM

Facetious_Speciest: J. Frank Parnell

Not a deity.

Any being with superpowers that has worshipers is a deity where I come from.


Personally, I'd go for "demigod", but that's just me.
 
2013-07-25 11:18:08 AM
...The bodies had been arranged in a Satanic star shape, known as a pentangle,...


upload.wikimedia.org
/approves
 
2013-07-25 11:19:28 AM
Its worth noting that its perfectly legal in the US for practitioners of Yoruba, Santeria, and Voudoun to sacrifice animals to the Loa.  Of course, in all fairness, the number of animals we sacrifice to our own lardasses every single day, many of which die really horrific and painful deaths, so far outnumbers any sacrifices made by non-Christian groups that they make them simply insignificant.  I will admit though, that I am pretty damn fuzzy about freedom of religious expression across the pond.  I know England has far more restrictions on freedom of speech then we do, though they are working on it.
 
2013-07-25 11:21:50 AM
Killed by lightning, eaten by badgers
 
2013-07-25 11:23:45 AM

Facetious_Speciest: Any being with superpowers that has worshipers is a deity where I come from.


No worshipers or superpowers in the bible. Not even a being, really.

Like i was saying, the entirety of the satan/devil mythos was created out of thin air.
 
2013-07-25 11:24:51 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Facetious_Speciest: Any being with superpowers that has worshipers is a deity where I come from.

No worshipers or superpowers in the bible. Not even a being, really.

Like i was saying, the entirety of the satan/devil mythos was created out of thin air.


... Kinda like any religion?
 
2013-07-25 11:25:07 AM
hairywoogit:  I know England has far more restrictions on freedom of speech then we do, though they are working on it.

{citationplease.xkcd)
Just recalling Cameron's latest foray into limiting sexy free speech.
Clarification - citation requested for the "are working on it" part.

I probably couldn't even say I want to shag the queen bloody over there without getting nabbed.

Now that I think about it, I probably can't even do that he++++++++[TRANSMISSION ABORTED]
 
2013-07-25 11:26:16 AM
only insecure tyrant gods demand sacrifice, satan doesn't demand anything.
 
2013-07-25 11:27:01 AM
Even though it's been pointed out already I feel the need to scream into the void one more time that Pagans  and Paganism have nothing to do with "Satanist" or "Devil Worshipers". People who "Devil Worship" are really just disaffected Christians who have latched on to the polar opposite of the same story. Pagans are far more threatening because they counter the entire narrative. This is why every time something like this happens you have people trying to instantly link it to Pagans and Paganism.
 
2013-07-25 11:27:14 AM
hairywoogit

I will admit though, that I am pretty damn fuzzy about freedom of religious expression across the pond.

It's legal to sacrifice an animal as long as it's done in a manner consistent with that of a non-sacrifice slaughter. I.e., cut the throat and bleed it, don't gut it while it's alive.

Basically, as long as it's done like a farmer might do for food, it's legal. Anything else, you can go up for animal cruelty.
 
2013-07-25 11:27:52 AM

hairywoogit: Kinda like any religion?


Well, most religions are based on ancient texts at least. So someone making something up thousands of years ago holds more weight than something just made up now, for some reason.
 
2013-07-25 11:28:01 AM

deanis: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 275x183]

IT"S THIS HEAVY METAL MUSIC THE KIDS LISTEN TOO THESE DAYS!!!!!1

csb

I remember when I was a young lad flipping through the channels on summer break. There was a christian station showing a special on how heavy metal has made kids turn to SATAN. It had footage of Metallica shows, AC/DC shows, Megadeath etc. That show is what made me get into the heavier side of Rock.

end csb


KISS stands for Kids Into Satan's Service and AC/DC wants your kids to be bisexual.  Study it out.
 
2013-07-25 11:28:40 AM

Russ1642: Di Atribe: Are Satanists really a thing? Or is it just one big troll so that people have an excuse to be assholes?

I think you meant 'have an excuse to put holes in asses'


Haha dammit now I'm mad I didn't think of that. Well-played.


Facetious_Speciest: Satanists really are a thing. Generally speaking, there are three main types: atheists, Satan-as-hero people, and "OMG TEH DARK LORD MAKES ME CUT!" folks.


Not sure if serious as I am still nursing the morning coffee, but.... atheists can't be Satanists? But if one believes the Lucifer character in the Bible maybe wasn't so bad, does that make one a Satanist?

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Hey, I'm just asking questions.
 
2013-07-25 11:29:08 AM
J. Frank Parnell

No worshipers or superpowers in the bible. Not even a being, really.

Like i was saying, the entirety of the satan/devil mythos was created out of thin air.


I get you, but in the Bible or not, it exists as a religious reality today. Many Christians of various sects believe in the reality of a being they refer to as "Satan" or "the Devil."
 
2013-07-25 11:30:29 AM
Di Atribe

Not sure if serious as I am still nursing the morning coffee, but.... atheists can't be Satanists?

There are a lot of atheistic Satanists. They see Satan as a symbol of humanity's true or best nature rather than a literal deity.
 
2013-07-25 11:31:58 AM
Bromies gone bad.
 
2013-07-25 11:32:47 AM
Freedom of religion
 
2013-07-25 11:32:48 AM
Satanists slice donkey's genitals, ear, tongue and eyes out possibly while it was still alive

What about the ass? Did they slice the ass too?
 
2013-07-25 11:34:49 AM
It wasn't a donkey, you ass. It was a pony.
 
2013-07-25 11:36:17 AM

Luminiferous Aether: hairywoogit:  I know England has far more restrictions on freedom of speech then we do, though they are working on it.

{citationplease.xkcd)
Just recalling Cameron's latest foray into limiting sexy free speech.
Clarification - citation requested for the "are working on it" part.
Now that I think about it, I probably can't even do that he++++++++[TRANSMISSION ABORTED]


Jameel vs WSJ appears to be eroding their insanely over the top anti-defamation laws, at least according to the wikipedia links.  Gaining freedom of speech once lost is pretty damn brutal though, so I expect its gonna be a seriously uphill struggle for them.  As a side note, "they" in this case does not mean the authorities in England, it is referring to agitators and other sorts attempting to disarm the legal apparatus that interferes with free speech. Please note that in no way do I claim they have anywhere near the freedoms we do, and even ours are being twiddled with in the name of "safety".
 
2013-07-25 11:38:16 AM

Di Atribe: Not sure if serious as I am still nursing the morning coffee, but.... atheists can't be Satanists?


Some don't believe in a literal 'Satan' but rather the symbolic concept. Just like people who quote Gordon Gecko, they don't really believe he's a real person, but rather the personification of their philosophical beliefs.

Neither is my cup o' tea.
 
2013-07-25 11:39:57 AM

Facetious_Speciest: I get you, but in the Bible or not, it exists as a religious reality today. Many Christians of various sects believe in the reality of a being they refer to as "Satan" or "the Devil."


Sure, but it's still a contemporary creation with no real historical backing. The only thing it has in common with any ancient texts is the actual word satan, but the meaning and usage is different. What we now commonly know and understand to be the devil has as much biblical support as the flying spaghetti monster.
 
2013-07-25 11:40:33 AM

J. Frank Parnell: hairywoogit: Kinda like any religion?

Well, most religions are based on ancient texts at least. So someone making something up thousands of years ago holds more weight than something just made up now, for some reason.


Argumentum ad antiquitatem logic gets pretty funny, for sure.
 
2013-07-25 11:41:11 AM
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2013-07-25 11:42:01 AM
I would be shocked if more than 1% of "Satanists" really actually believed in him.  This is all show-off crap for each other to prove how "dark" they are.

Assholes tortured an animal to show off for each other.
 
2013-07-25 11:44:23 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: meat0918: Sounds like they have a bored psychopathic teen in the area.

I'd go with this. If there's one thing we learned from the 80's, it's that Satanic Cults just don't exist, it's just Jack Chick blowing smoke up your donkey.


Well, I happened to know the bored teen accused of cutting up cows in abandoned buildings when I was in high school.  He was.... well, saying he was odd doesn't really describe it.

How many 17 year old's have you known that developed a cuneiform language for dolphins?
 
2013-07-25 11:44:49 AM

Di Atribe: Russ1642: Di Atribe: Are Satanists really a thing? Or is it just one big troll so that people have an excuse to be assholes?

I think you meant 'have an excuse to put holes in asses'

Haha dammit now I'm mad I didn't think of that. Well-played.


Facetious_Speciest: Satanists really are a thing. Generally speaking, there are three main types: atheists, Satan-as-hero people, and "OMG TEH DARK LORD MAKES ME CUT!" folks.

Not sure if serious as I am still nursing the morning coffee, but.... atheists can't be Satanists? But if one believes the Lucifer character in the Bible maybe wasn't so bad, does that make one a Satanist?

Hey, I'm just asking questions.


If I remember right, the Temple of Set is essentially atheist, in that they regard themselves as the enemy of ignorance and emplaced religion.  They believe in formulating self awareness, and superficially worship self-awareness.  They don't worship any external deity at all.
 
2013-07-25 11:45:30 AM

hairywoogit: Luminiferous Aether: hairywoogit:  I know England has far more restrictions on freedom of speech then we do, though they are working on it.

{citationplease.xkcd)
Just recalling Cameron's latest foray into limiting sexy free speech.
Clarification - citation requested for the "are working on it" part.
Now that I think about it, I probably can't even do that he++++++++[TRANSMISSION ABORTED]

Jameel vs WSJ appears to be eroding their insanely over the top anti-defamation laws, at least according to the wikipedia links.  Gaining freedom of speech once lost is pretty damn brutal though, so I expect its gonna be a seriously uphill struggle for them.  As a side note, "they" in this case does not mean the authorities in England, it is referring to agitators and other sorts attempting to disarm the legal apparatus that interferes with free speech. Please note that in no way do I claim they have anywhere near the freedoms we do, and even ours are being twiddled with in the name of "safety".


The devil in me tells you to fark off with your succinct and informative reply on the topic and question, while the angel on my shoulder just keeps saying "have faith! have faith!".

As usual, I'm siding with the devil, but now he replaces "fark off with your" for "thank you for your". Because not all devils are evil. They're a tricky lot.
 
2013-07-25 11:45:36 AM

skozlaw: mike_d85: /Nothing pisses off satanists faster than to remind them of this

Was that information provided as a warning or a tip?


Depends on the satanist. I hate my parents - tip. I love PCP - warning.
 
2013-07-25 11:52:30 AM

Facetious_Speciest: ...local horse carers believe the butchery was part of an evil occult or Pagan ceremony by Devil worshippers.

The Devil is a Christian deity. Not pagan.


Devils (devi) are of Hindu origin, actually.

And Satan is of Babylonian (Shaitain, which simply means adversary) and/or proto-Judaic (Satanel, which means adversary of El) origin.  Samael (poisoner of El) is arguably the main antagonist in Judaic literature, however, with Satanel serving under him.  Shemyaza is another big antagonist in the same vain.

The closest original thing that the modern day Christian has in their mythos would be the Lucifer concept.  They tend to use all of these other terms for him, however, because in their eyes anything not "of God" (whatever the hell that means) and the modern Christian faith is clearly pure, concentrated evil.  And they do love taking a dig at other religions wherever they can.

All of this isn't to say that there aren't clearly powerful and sinister forces at work in our lives, but you really don't have to look any farther for most of them than the D.C. Beltway.

/Demonology....it's a hobby
 
2013-07-25 11:52:41 AM
J. Frank Parnell

What we now commonly know and understand to be the devil has as much biblical support as the flying spaghetti monster.

Now you're just being blasphemous.

Exodus 12:8-9: "And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof."

Meatballs (mixed parts of the animals) and pasta (unleavened bread, he even says not to make it soggy...al dente, if you please).

Psalm 78:23-28: "Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven, And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven. Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full. He caused an east wind to blow in the heaven: and by his power he brought in the south wind. He rained flesh also upon them as dust, and feathered fowls like as the sand of the sea. And he let it fall in the midst of their camp, round about their habitations."

Meatballs and pasta raining from heaven. Proof that the FSM is the true god of Israel; in their ignorance and sin, they anthropomorphised him, and named him YHWH, and thus were driven from their promised land and subjected to the arrows of those who make better meatballs.
 
2013-07-25 11:52:49 AM

Facetious_Speciest: ...local horse carers believe the butchery was part of an evil occult or Pagan ceremony by Devil worshippers.

The Devil is a Christian deity. Not pagan.


This.
 
2013-07-25 11:53:38 AM

question_dj: These guys are Satanists, eh?  Where in LeVay's work is this particular ritual?


According to the 11 Satanic Rules of the Earth by Anton LeVay:

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Eleven.html
 
2013-07-25 11:54:46 AM

Facetious_Speciest: Meatballs and pasta raining from heaven. Proof that the FSM is the true god of Israel; in their ignorance and sin, they anthropomorphised him, and named him YHWH, and thus were driven from their promised land and subjected to the arrows of those who make better meatballs.


I have a lot to think about now.
 
2013-07-25 11:55:48 AM
Yet another mountain lion story?
 
2013-07-25 11:56:03 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Like i was saying, the entirety of the satan/devil mythos was created out of thin air.


Quite probably, but as I stated in my above post a second ago, not by the Christians.  They just stole said mythos and twisted it to suit their own needs.

Seems to be a recurring theme with the faith, actually.
 
2013-07-25 11:56:28 AM
radarlove

Devils (devi) are of Hindu origin, actually.

False etymology. The Sanskrit "deva" is a development of proto-Indo-European "deiwos," from which you (eventually) get such modern words as "deity." "Devil" comes from a Latin borrowing of the Greek for "slanderer."
 
2013-07-25 11:57:01 AM
I am skeptical.

One, this type of animal mutilation is often attributed to Satanists, aliens, conspiracies, etc. But the attribution can not be proven in any way as nobody ever finds the alleged perps or unambiguous evidence that the perps exist.

Two, it is unlikely that there is any proof the animal was alive at the time of the organ losses. A live animal would resist the removal of these parts with vigour and violence. Where is the evidence of struggle wounds on the animal or of injured perps?

Three, this type of animal mutilation occurs naturally through out the animal world. Birds and small mammals, insects and other scavangers and predators typically eat the easy-to-get parts of the dead animal.

What parts of an animal can a small predator or scavenger eat easily?

The eyes. A delicacy.
The genitals. Rich in iron.
The tongue. Delicious.
The ears. Easy to gnaw with tiny teeth.
Horns. Rich in keratin.
Hair. Rich in keratin.
Bones. Once exposed, rich in calcium, etc. Good for sharpening and wearing down growing rodent teeth.

It may be objected that the cuts are too precise, surgical in nature, and thus could only be done by humans or sentient beings. This is not a solid objection because small sharp teeth and beaks can both produce remarkly neat results.

Rats and mice go into a carcass through the mouth or the anus and consume internal organs. Birds go for eyes and anything they can clip off. Ants love to eat hair and other bits rich in keratin. Horns will be gnawed by mice and other small animals which need to sharpen their teeth and which can digest and use keratin.

The easiest way into a carcass after the obvious entry points is through the belly. A butcher or a predator would slice open the carcass there.

Predators and scavengers eat hair, bones, hides and other parts for valuable nutrition that is not found in meat. In fact, if you head a protein-heavy diet, you need to eat a lot of fat and organ meats (humbles, as the British called them in former times) to balance out your nutrition.

There are several pieces of evidence not covered by these facts--the white paint on the leg and the signs of burns on the grass.

The white paint could either be a coincidence--the pony brushed up against a fence being painted recently, or a sign the pony was marked intentionally. Perhaps somebody did kill it intentionally, but that does not mean they took trophies.

As for the signs of "torches", it is unlikely that people would use torches over flashlights which are easier to carry, conceal, put on if disturbed, and so forth. This is the one piece of evidence that points unequivocally to cultish behaviour, but it is possible the pony was hit by lightning, which might have ignited the grass in the vicinity.

The allegations are not proven. The evidence does not necessarily support the proposed explanation.

Four:  how do you distinguish between the various kinds of "supernatural" explanation? Aliens, demons, devil-worshippers, conspiracies--they all operate in the same strange ways and animal mutiliations are blamed on them all. They are, in a word, fungible. You can not tell them apart or if you can, you can not always find the evidence to distinguish them meaningfully and reliably, because, one, none of them exist and two, it seems they operate in strange ways that are indistinguishable from more normal, natural explanations.

Somebody apparently slit the poor pony's belly with Occam's Razor.

I consider myself a Fortean but try to be scientific as well as skeptical, and I feel no need to make or maintain mysteries. There will always be a plentiful supply of mysteries and doubtful cases.

We are never going to run out of ignorance. It is our greatest natural resource.
 
2013-07-25 11:57:19 AM

hairywoogit: Di Atribe: Russ1642: Di Atribe: Are Satanists really a thing? Or is it just one big troll so that people have an excuse to be assholes?

I think you meant 'have an excuse to put holes in asses'

Haha dammit now I'm mad I didn't think of that. Well-played.


Facetious_Speciest: Satanists really are a thing. Generally speaking, there are three main types: atheists, Satan-as-hero people, and "OMG TEH DARK LORD MAKES ME CUT!" folks.

Not sure if serious as I am still nursing the morning coffee, but.... atheists can't be Satanists? But if one believes the Lucifer character in the Bible maybe wasn't so bad, does that make one a Satanist?

Hey, I'm just asking questions.

If I remember right, the Temple of Set is essentially atheist, in that they regard themselves as the enemy of ignorance and emplaced religion.  They believe in formulating self awareness, and superficially worship self-awareness.  They don't worship any external deity at all.


I think you may have it backwards. Temple of Set believed in an actual diety. Anton LaVey's Church of Satan was atheist.
 
2013-07-25 11:58:11 AM
Sounds more like Old Testament rednecks to me. The ball-cutting is a sacrifice to THE LORD to take note of all those gaybo folk around and to do something about it.
 
2013-07-25 11:59:29 AM
Don't care what "religion" you practice, the people that do this kind of shiat need to have there nuts cut off, deep fried, and fed to them.
 
2013-07-25 12:00:23 PM

radarlove: Facetious_Speciest: ...local horse carers believe the butchery was part of an evil occult or Pagan ceremony by Devil worshippers.

The Devil is a Christian deity. Not pagan.

Devils (devi) are of Hindu origin, actually.

And Satan is of Babylonian (Shaitain, which simply means adversary) and/or proto-Judaic (Satanel, which means adversary of El) origin.  Samael (poisoner of El) is arguably the main antagonist in Judaic literature, however, with Satanel serving under him.  Shemyaza is another big antagonist in the same vain.

The closest original thing that the modern day Christian has in their mythos would be the Lucifer concept.  They tend to use all of these other terms for him, however, because in their eyes anything not "of God" (whatever the hell that means) and the modern Christian faith is clearly pure, concentrated evil.  And they do love taking a dig at other religions wherever they can.

All of this isn't to say that there aren't clearly powerful and sinister forces at work in our lives, but you really don't have to look any farther for most of them than the D.C. Beltway.

/Demonology....it's a hobby


Not sure where you got some of your info from, because it is Ha Satan, which is "The Accuser" - and he is no demon at all.  In Judaism there can be no such thing as a "fallen angel" - angels don't have free will, and therefore cannot rebel.  He's like G-d's prosecuting attorney, with no rules against entrapment hindering his ability.
 
2013-07-25 12:02:50 PM

Lady Indica: Di Atribe: Not sure if serious as I am still nursing the morning coffee, but.... atheists can't be Satanists?

Some don't believe in a literal 'Satan' but rather the symbolic concept. Just like people who quote Gordon Gecko, they don't really believe he's a real person, but rather the personification of their philosophical beliefs.

Neither is my cup o' tea.


Ditto.

Ended up reading LaVey's Satanic Bible when I lived in Boulder back in the day and had some friends in the Church of Satan.  I found it pretty abhorrent- not because of any demon or saucy ritual, but rather because the crux of the religion seems to be about self-service, which I think I've shown by this point is very much not my bag.

Interestingly, Gordon Gecko preached much the same.

Hard-right Republicans love Satanism, they just don't realize it yet.
 
2013-07-25 12:03:13 PM

radarlove: Quite probably, but as I stated in my above post a second ago, not by the Christians. They just stole said mythos and twisted it to suit their own needs.


There are some people who believe the church invented it themselves, as an enforcer of the church. You better give money to the church and be obedient, or satan is going to get you and you'll burn in hell for eternity. Hell is another thing suspiciously missing from the bible.

I think it was probably a bit of both. Humans do tend to create supernatural villains on their own. The church just took advantage.
 
2013-07-25 12:06:38 PM

hairywoogit: Its worth noting that its perfectly legal in the US for practitioners of Yoruba, Santeria, and Voudoun to sacrifice animals to the Loa.  Of course, in all fairness, the number of animals we sacrifice to our own lardasses every single day, many of which die really horrific and painful deaths, so far outnumbers any sacrifices made by non-Christian groups that they make them simply insignificant.  I will admit though, that I am pretty damn fuzzy about freedom of religious expression across the pond.  I know England has far more restrictions on freedom of speech then we do, though they are working on it.


Conflating agriculture and religion.
I don't even know if this is an attempted carnivore troll or "all religions are death" troll. I do see you are right about being pretty damn fuzzy though. Eat a burger so you can get your energy up my friend. Vitamin M for clarity.
 
2013-07-25 12:11:42 PM

big pig peaches: I think you may have it backwards. Temple of Set believed in an actual diety. Anton LaVey's Church of Satan was atheist.


Was going to say the same.  LaVeyan Satanists are pretty much benign, even if they can be assholes.

The Setites are the ones you actually have to watch out for.  Some of their beliefs are (or were...ToS ain't around like it used to be) the ones you've gotta watch out for.  Many of their beliefs are very...dark.

The third group would of course be the Luciferians, but I've never met any and so don't know much about their beliefs other than through second hand information.
 
2013-07-25 12:11:43 PM
What parts of an animal can a small predator or scavenger eat easily?

The eyes. A delicacy.
The genitals. Rich in iron.



and, in some species, herpes.
 
2013-07-25 12:12:35 PM

Fano: What about the Virgin Connie Swale?


It's just "Connie Swale" now.
 
2013-07-25 12:14:32 PM

big pig peaches: hairywoogit: Di Atribe: Russ1642: Di Atribe: Are Satanists really a thing? Or is it just one big troll so that people have an excuse to be assholes?

I think you may have it backwards. Temple of Set believed in an actual diety. Anton LaVey's Church of Satan was atheist.


https://xeper.org/pub/pub_gil.html

Had to go look it up to be sure.  Heh.   If the blurb is right, Set is used  more as a symbol then as an actual guiding entity.

"The oldest known form of the Prince of Darkness, the archetype of isolate self-consciousness, is the Egyptian god Set "

As for the CoS, I am even more out of touch on their current teachings, haven't bothered reading it since High School.
 
2013-07-25 12:14:36 PM

Facetious_Speciest: J. Frank Parnell

What we now commonly know and understand to be the devil has as much biblical support as the flying spaghetti monster.

Now you're just being blasphemous.

Exodus 12:8-9: "And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof."

Meatballs (mixed parts of the animals) and pasta (unleavened bread, he even says not to make it soggy...al dente, if you please).

Psalm 78:23-28: "Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven, And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven. Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full. He caused an east wind to blow in the heaven: and by his power he brought in the south wind. He rained flesh also upon them as dust, and feathered fowls like as the sand of the sea. And he let it fall in the midst of their camp, round about their habitations."

Meatballs and pasta raining from heaven. Proof that the FSM is the true god of Israel; in their ignorance and sin, they anthropomorphised him, and named him YHWH, and thus were driven from their promised land and subjected to the arrows of those who make better meatballs.


Ramen brother
 
2013-07-25 12:16:14 PM
Disapproves...

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-07-25 12:16:27 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Di Atribe

Not sure if serious as I am still nursing the morning coffee, but.... atheists can't be Satanists?

There are a lot of atheistic Satanists. They see Satan as a symbol of humanity's true or best nature rather than a literal deity.


OK. I understand more than I did, but I'm not quite there. It just seems to me that "Satanists" are more contrarian to the Christian belief system, while atheists want nothing to do with the whole thing.
 
2013-07-25 12:17:11 PM
Dead donkeys,
Dead donkeys,
Dead donkeys aren't much fun
 
2013-07-25 12:17:15 PM
Assholes.  Who does that to a poor animal?  They should be tortured.
 
2013-07-25 12:18:10 PM

studs up: hairywoogit:
Conflating agriculture and religion.
I don't even know if this is an attempted carnivore troll or "all religions are death" troll. I do see you are right about being pretty damn fuzzy though. Eat a burger so you can get your energy up my friend. Vitamin M for clarity.


No attempt at trolling.  I simply see no real moral difference, and I am fine with eating meat, I occasionally do it myself.  The end result is the animal dies in order to serve humans in some way, and I am pretty sure that the difference in service is pretty irrelevant to the animal.  If you wish to pretty it up by calling it a different name, go right ahead.  Death is death.
 
2013-07-25 12:19:44 PM

roadmarks: Not sure where you got some of your info from


Mostly from the older Hechaloth and Babylonian writings and occasionally some other assorted proto-Judaic literature.  You're correct that that is the modern (if 4000ish years can be considered modern) Judaic view of the entity, but I'm speaking of its origins, when it was first taken from the Babylonian mythos.
 
2013-07-25 12:22:29 PM
Di Atribe

OK. I understand more than I did, but I'm not quite there. It just seems to me that "Satanists" are more contrarian to the Christian belief system, while atheists want nothing to do with the whole thing.

All Satanists are, by definition, contrary to Christian beliefs in some way. Atheistic Satanists don't believe in the existence of gods (thus, atheists), but see Satan as a representative symbol of what they see as proper modes of behavior or philosophy.
 
2013-07-25 12:25:03 PM
That's why you don't duel to the pain.  Though the ears were supposed to remain intact, I think...
 
2013-07-25 12:26:32 PM

radarlove: Was going to say the same. LaVeyan Satanists are pretty much benign, even if they can be assholes.

The third group would of course be the Luciferians, but I've never met any and so don't know much about their beliefs other than through second hand information.


Yeah, LaVeyan satanists basically take it to mean self worship, so naturally are insufferably arrogant.

And all you really need to know about Luciferianism is that it is not the same or even remotely similar to satanism or devil worship. There's been a bit of a smear job going on regarding it. It shouldn't even come up in these discussions.
 
2013-07-25 12:27:12 PM
Could it be...

threatormenace.com
 
2013-07-25 12:29:12 PM

J. Frank Parnell: And all you really need to know about Luciferianism is that it is not the same or even remotely similar to satanism or devil worship. There's been a bit of a smear job going on regarding it. It shouldn't even come up in these discussions.


So is it just like Masonic or something?  I've read several different conflicting accounts.  This stuff is relevant to my interests.
 
2013-07-25 12:30:16 PM

hairywoogit: studs up: hairywoogit:
Conflating agriculture and religion.
I don't even know if this is an attempted carnivore troll or "all religions are death" troll. I do see you are right about being pretty damn fuzzy though. Eat a burger so you can get your energy up my friend. Vitamin M for clarity.

No attempt at trolling.  I simply see no real moral difference, and I am fine with eating meat, I occasionally do it myself.  The end result is the animal dies in order to serve humans in some way, and I am pretty sure that the difference in service is pretty irrelevant to the animal.  If you wish to pretty it up by calling it a different name, go right ahead.  Death is death.


Ah, I see. They are both the same because in the end, someone has steak for dinner. We should then be sure to include the Military Industrial Complex, the Illuminati, the habadashers of Alcoa and this farkin guy...
i-love-cartoons.us
 
2013-07-25 12:32:24 PM
radarlove

So is it just like Masonic or something?

Luciferians hold the believe that Lucifer is a promethean figure (either literal or symbolic) that guides humanity into independence and knowledge, free of dogmas or superstitions.

In my experience. Not a Luciferian.
 
2013-07-25 12:32:53 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-07-25 12:33:14 PM

question_dj: These guys are Satanists, eh?  Where in LeVay's work is this particular ritual?


Where does it say that LaVey has sole ownership of the "Satan" brand?
 
2013-07-25 12:34:09 PM

brantgoose: The genitals. Rich in iron.


More testicles means more iron.

/there's very little meat in these gym mats
 
2013-07-25 12:34:44 PM
Clearly the work of Rawhead Rex.
 
2013-07-25 12:37:37 PM
Mister would you please help my pony?
 
2013-07-25 12:38:19 PM
www.theblindcard.com
 
2013-07-25 12:38:32 PM
Ever since Rowan Williams retired, he's been bored.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-25 12:38:58 PM

Russ1642: Get Scully Sam and Mulder Dean Winchester on the case.


FTFY
 
2013-07-25 12:41:00 PM

buckler: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 196x300]


If you want to read the book that started everything off in the 80s, pick up a copy of Michelle Remembers.  I managed to write my theses for my psychology courses and my criminal justice courses using little more than that book and the West Memphis Three.

(Warning- the book gets very graphic and upsetting.  It may all be horseshiat, but it is still disturbing that someone could even imagine such sadistic filth.)
 
2013-07-25 12:42:49 PM

ginkor: Ever since Rowan Williams retired, he's been bored.
[i.imgur.com image 185x185]


I always loved his eyebrows.  Like Thufir Hawat's eyebrows, they are!
 
2013-07-25 12:47:26 PM

radarlove: So is it just like Masonic or something? I've read several different conflicting accounts. This stuff is relevant to my interests.


Would take far too long to explain, and its one of those things people should discover on their own anyway. The information is out there, and it's not uniquely Masonic knowledge, although they do have it.

Best advice i can give is to ignore anyone who uses satan and lucifer interchangeably. That trend was begun by King James, and they were distinct things in all previous Greek and Hebrew versions of the bible. You can still see some of the resulting inconsistencies from the change in the KJB, with Jesus calling himself the morning star, also known as Lucifer.
 
2013-07-25 12:56:02 PM
Call it something else besides Satanic.

TYVM
 
2013-07-25 12:56:21 PM

Di Atribe: Are Satanists really a thing? Or is it just one big troll so that people have an excuse to be assholes?


A guy who does stuff like this hears a voice in his head telling him to do terrible things, and he calls it Satan. That doesn't match up very well with most people who call themselves Satanists.

That's not to say that Satanism isn't a real thing: it is. But it's closer to a "religion of trolling" (as opposed to a "troll religion," like Pastafarianism) than some kind of ritualistic anti-Christian cult. They don't even actually worship Satan. They respect the archetype that gave rise to the Satan character, and use that name because it's an easy common point of reference. But they don't believe there's an actual being, and wouldn't worship it even if it existed. That's not how they roll.
 
2013-07-25 12:57:08 PM

hairywoogit: I will admit though, that I am pretty damn fuzzy about freedom of religious expression across the pond.


Freedom of religion is fully protected under British and European human rights law.
 
2013-07-25 12:57:30 PM

radarlove: buckler: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 196x300]

If you want to read the book that started everything off in the 80s, pick up a copy of Michelle Remembers.  I managed to write my theses for my psychology courses and my criminal justice courses using little more than that book and the West Memphis Three.

(Warning- the book gets very graphic and upsetting.  It may all be horseshiat, but it is still disturbing that someone could even imagine such sadistic filth.)


Thanks. In the late 1980's, I gained an interest in Satanic hysteria and cult groups, and read whatever I could find on the subjects, but somehow missed that one. I'll add it to my library queue.
 
2013-07-25 01:01:43 PM

studs up: hairywoogit: studs up: hairywoogit:
Conflating agriculture and religion.
I don't even know if this is an attempted carnivore troll or "all religions are death" troll. I do see you are right about being pretty damn fuzzy though. Eat a burger so you can get your energy up my friend. Vitamin M for clarity.

No attempt at trolling.  I simply see no real moral difference, and I am fine with eating meat, I occasionally do it myself.  The end result is the animal dies in order to serve humans in some way, and I am pretty sure that the difference in service is pretty irrelevant to the animal.  If you wish to pretty it up by calling it a different name, go right ahead.  Death is death.

Ah, I see. They are both the same because in the end, someone has steak for dinner. We should then be sure to include the Military Industrial Complex, the Illuminati, the habadashers of Alcoa and this farkin guy...
[i-love-cartoons.us image 402x502]


Only the last image applies to the conversation regarding the death of animals, unless you are including humans in that category.  Admittedly, we are animals, but being human, both you and I reserve special rules for ourselves that do not apply to other animals.  Which is fine.  I am not sure why you include made-up things like the Illuminati, or what someone who sells small sewing items has to do with the discussion, so I assume this is some attempt at humor.

And I have at no point attempted to say that eating meat is wrong, or immoral.  As a species, we are opportunistic feeders, and we typically need small quantities of meat to provide B12.  I am honestly confused as to why you seem so defensive of eating meat.
 
2013-07-25 01:10:02 PM

buckler: radarlove: buckler: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 196x300]

If you want to read the book that started everything off in the 80s, pick up a copy of Michelle Remembers.  I managed to write my theses for my psychology courses and my criminal justice courses using little more than that book and the West Memphis Three.

(Warning- the book gets very graphic and upsetting.  It may all be horseshiat, but it is still disturbing that someone could even imagine such sadistic filth.)

Thanks. In the late 1980's, I gained an interest in Satanic hysteria and cult groups, and read whatever I could find on the subjects, but somehow missed that one. I'll add it to my library queue.


Check out the work of Dr. Elizabeth Loftus as well.  She taught a few of my psych courses and is one of the premiere experts on memory, and she has a lot to say on why "recovered" memories of SRA are total bullshiat.
 
2013-07-25 01:16:31 PM

hairywoogit: I am honestly confused as to why you seem so defensive of eating meat massive generalizations.


ftfy
 
2013-07-25 01:26:43 PM

optimus_grime: only insecure tyrant gods demand sacrifice, satan doesn't demand anything.


Satan just wants you to not pay attention to the Jesus or His Dad.
 
2013-07-25 01:28:59 PM

ChipNASA: [img.photobucket.com image 400x330]


"Insert the "Butt-Out" tool into the anal canal and twist until it grabs the membrane."


Poetry.
 
2013-07-25 01:33:21 PM

radarlove: The closest original thing that the modern day Christian has in their mythos would be the Lucifer concept. They tend to use all of these other terms for him, however, because in their eyes anything not "of God" (whatever the hell that means) and the modern Christian faith is clearly pure, concentrated evil. And they do love taking a dig at other religions wherever they can.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6X9KcrXHwg
 
2013-07-25 01:35:01 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: radarlove: The closest original thing that the modern day Christian has in their mythos would be the Lucifer concept. They tend to use all of these other terms for him, however, because in their eyes anything not "of God" (whatever the hell that means) and the modern Christian faith is clearly pure, concentrated evil. And they do love taking a dig at other religions wherever they can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6X9KcrXHwg


Second best Gilliam move EVAR!

/gotta rewatch it stat!
 
2013-07-25 01:47:47 PM
So its Halal, whats the big deal?
 
2013-07-25 01:57:23 PM

radarlove: Second best Gilliam move EVAR!



The first being...12 Monkeys or Brazil?

(Not counting Holy Grail, that was a group effort).
 
2013-07-25 02:09:17 PM
t0.gstatic.com

YABBA DABBA DOOO
 
2013-07-25 02:23:30 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: radarlove: Second best Gilliam move EVAR!


The first being...12 Monkeys or Brazil?

(Not counting Holy Grail, that was a group effort).


Brazil.  Twelve Monkeys ties with Fear and Loathing for third place, imo.
 
2013-07-25 02:31:11 PM

radarlove: buckler: radarlove: buckler: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 196x300]

If you want to read the book that started everything off in the 80s, pick up a copy of Michelle Remembers.  I managed to write my theses for my psychology courses and my criminal justice courses using little more than that book and the West Memphis Three.

(Warning- the book gets very graphic and upsetting.  It may all be horseshiat, but it is still disturbing that someone could even imagine such sadistic filth.)

Thanks. In the late 1980's, I gained an interest in Satanic hysteria and cult groups, and read whatever I could find on the subjects, but somehow missed that one. I'll add it to my library queue.

Check out the work of Dr. Elizabeth Loftus as well.  She taught a few of my psych courses and is one of the premiere experts on memory, and she has a lot to say on why "recovered" memories of SRA are total bullshiat.


She was one of the earliest sources I read. Truly disturbing stuff.
 
2013-07-25 02:40:04 PM

deanis: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 275x183]

IT"S THIS HEAVY METAL MUSIC THE KIDS LISTEN TOO THESE DAYS!!!!!1

csb

I remember when I was a young lad flipping through the channels on summer break. There was a christian station showing a special on how heavy metal has made kids turn to SATAN. It had footage of Metallica shows, AC/DC shows, Megadeath etc. That show is what made me get into the heavier side of Rock.

end csb


How I know you're a poser? You can't spell MEGADETH.
 
2013-07-25 02:45:54 PM

deanis: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 275x183]

IT"S THIS HEAVY METAL MUSIC THE KIDS LISTEN TOO THESE DAYS!!!!!1

csb

I remember when I was a young lad flipping through the channels on summer break. There was a christian station showing a special on how heavy metal has made kids turn to SATAN. It had footage of Metallica shows, AC/DC shows, Megadeath etc. That show is what made me get into the heavier side of Rock.

end csb


I think I remember that--or something similar. The dude was holding up the albums and I was all "Got it....got it...Ohh haven't hear that one!...got it....."  The one I was watching, they were gonna burn the albums covers, not the albums because burning plastic is agianst Jesus or something.
 
2013-07-25 04:05:52 PM

BSABSVR: KISS stands for Kids Into Satan's Service and AC/DC wants your kids to be bisexual.  Study it out.


deanis: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 275x183]

IT"S THIS HEAVY METAL MUSIC THE KIDS LISTEN TOO THESE DAYS!!!!!1


WTF are you talking about? Real Satan worshipers are people like Beyonce, Kesha, Jay-z  and Adele, not some people with beards
/Link
 
2013-07-25 04:06:55 PM

studs up: hairywoogit: I am honestly confused as to why you seem so defensive of eating meat massive generalizations.

ftfy


Perhaps you could point out for me which part of what I said was incorrect?  I am always happy to learn.
 
2013-07-25 04:46:24 PM

brantgoose: What parts of an animal can a small predator or scavenger eat easily?

The eyes. A delicacy.
The genitals. Rich in iron.
The tongue. Delicious.
The ears. Easy to gnaw with tiny teeth.
Horns. Rich in keratin.
Hair. Rich in keratin.
Bones. Once exposed, rich in calcium, etc. Good for sharpening and wearing down growing rodent teeth.


i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-07-25 06:08:53 PM
Sorry, but animal sacrifice is not Satanism.  Animal sacrifice is part of the cult of Yahweh, called for in Leviticus.  Informed Satanists do not harm animals.
 
2013-07-25 06:54:29 PM
I would still fark the lesbians
 
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