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(Huffington Post)   It seems Zach Snyder has apparently found his Batman for Batman VS Superman, and once again it looks like Michael Keaton has been passed over   ( huffingtonpost.com) divider line
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2013-07-25 10:02:53 AM  
Hoechlin's pretty hot.  Never saw him act.  But I just can't picture it.
 
2013-07-25 10:38:46 AM  
And yet, even the biatchiest fanboys will see it on opening day anyway.
 
2013-07-25 10:39:52 AM  
Dear God no
 
2013-07-25 10:45:01 AM  
It will be interesting to see how they handicap superman to make it seem like batman would have any chance.

They should  probably just drive a dump truck full of money to Christian Bale's house to get him to be batman again.
 
2013-07-25 10:49:47 AM  

Carth: It will be interesting to see how they handicap superman to make it seem like batman would have any chance.

They should  probably just drive a dump truck full of money to Christian Bale's house to get him to be batman again.


It's not about handicapping Superman, it's about how Batman will find an advantage.  He's got one thing Superman doesn't have: cunning.
 
2013-07-25 10:50:46 AM  
Oh for farks sake. Please don't let this be some absurd batman beating superman thing. The only force in the universe capable of keeping superman from killing batman is his simple lack of desire to do so.

/ I know, I know Batman has a bunch of lists and stuff. Yawn.
 
2013-07-25 10:51:18 AM  

Carth: It will be interesting to see how they handicap superman to make it seem like batman would have any chance.

They should  probably just drive a dump truck full of money to Christian Bale's house to get him to be batman again.


To quote Mike Tyson: "everyone has a plan until I punch them in the face."

So much for Batman's crazy prepared schemes.
 
2013-07-25 10:54:13 AM  

cyrus_hunter: Carth: It will be interesting to see how they handicap superman to make it seem like batman would have any chance.

They should  probably just drive a dump truck full of money to Christian Bale's house to get him to be batman again.

It's not about handicapping Superman, it's about how Batman will find an advantage.  He's got one thing Superman doesn't have: cunning.


One of superman's 10 bazillion powers is "Super intelligence" he is actually smarter than the batman and since his brain operates quicker than any humans can calculate the ballistics of bullets to determine where they will ricochet and reprogram computers on the fly with his heat vision.
 
2013-07-25 10:57:24 AM  

JohnBigBootay: Oh for farks sake. Please don't let this be some absurd batman beating superman thing. The only force in the universe capable of keeping superman from killing batman is his simple lack of desire to do so.

/ I know, I know Batman has a bunch of lists and stuff. Yawn.


And since Superman is a big sissy, that desire outweighs everything else.
 
2013-07-25 10:58:53 AM  

JohnBigBootay: Oh for farks sake. Please don't let this be some absurd batman beating superman thing. The only force in the universe capable of keeping superman from killing batman is his simple lack of desire to do so.

/ I know, I know Batman has a bunch of lists and stuff. Yawn.


2/10.
 
2013-07-25 10:59:49 AM  
Wow, it seems lots of people in this thread think power = winning.
 
2013-07-25 11:07:27 AM  

Rwa2play: Wow, it seems lots of people in this thread think power = winning.


Even more surprising that there are people in the thread who think a guy who spends his days tangling with pickpockets and mentally ill clowns can kill superman by virtue of his fridge list and a tattered copy of The Art of War.
 
2013-07-25 11:08:27 AM  
Batman is in his bat cave, monitoring.  There is some kerfuffle with superman and (insert bad guy here).  The bad guy can either take complete control of any mind, or implant a command that has to be followed.  Bad guy tells Superman "Kill Batman".

So batman, watching on his monitor from wherever he can see supes sees: Bad guy and superman move towards each other and then a fist fly thru the back of his skull.  Because any video equipment transmits too slowly for batman to see it in time for any defense of supes.

EVEN IF he is able to see the video feed and hears "Kill Batman", the time it would take to process it and activate any defenses, seconds at best.  Say, 5.  Is still way too long for superman.  Batman would move to hit the button to activate his superman defenses and notice his arm isn't there.  Or the other one.  Or his legs.  Then his head.  Oops.
 
2013-07-25 11:10:53 AM  

cyrus_hunter: It's not about handicapping Superman, it's about how Batman will find an advantage. He's got one thing Superman doesn't have: cunning.


The only question is does Superman know Batman is trying to defeat him? Because, as I've stated before in these threads, as soon as he has that knowledge he can just fly away, turn back time, and kill batman with heat vision. From the moon. With his eyes closed. While mentally rearranging his g-rated spank bank.
 
2013-07-25 11:18:37 AM  

JohnBigBootay: Oh for farks sake. Please don't let this be some absurd batman beating superman thing. The only force in the universe capable of keeping superman from killing batman is his simple lack of desire to do so.

/ I know, I know Batman has a bunch of lists and stuff. Yawn.


i240.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-25 11:24:10 AM  
Government sends out contracts to companies to try and find a way to mitigate and neutralize the possible Kryptonian threat. Two companies win competing bids, Wayne Enterprises and Lexcorp. Wayne Enterprises comes up with a simple yet practical solution because lets face it, Bruce has known who this Kryptonian is since the Metropolis Disaster. Lex being Lex comes up with something that though while would work could possibly endanger thousands of people in the process. However without test data, the government authorizes both programs.
 Meanwhile during this entire time, Superman is doing Superman things by saving children from genocide, stopping wars and just generally being Superman all the while Clark is working on a story about this vigilante in Gotham City who has for the last few years (again post Metropolis event) being scaring criminals slowly eroding the crime syndicate networks both in Gotham and across the nation. The two eventually meat one as Clark the other as Batman and Wayne uses this as a moment to test his anti Supe tech which ends up working as Clark starts to feel weak. He tries to use his xray vision to see who is in the bat suit, but for some reason its shielded and all he can see is black. The two part and Clark ends up publishing his story.


Lois on the other hand has been assigned to work on this government contract story which puts her dangerously close to Lex for future save Lois moments. In any event because Wayne now has data that his simple solution works, the contract with Lex is dropped. Lex is furious and intends to prove that his solution is the superior and schemes to lure Superman out into the open where upon he will test his weapon program. During this scheming process through industrial espionage partnering with said crime syndicates earlier he finds out what the Wayne tech is and how it works. He then combines this with his, lets say it ends up being a power suit of sorts and indeed starts some shiat to lure Superman out.

Superman responds and we get not nearly the same fight as earlier with Zod but some pretty impressive popcorn shots. Superman realizes something though and that every time he approaches Lex, he gets that same weak feeling back when he was covering that story with the masked vigilante now known as The Batman (literally have Clark coin the name by titling his story that same way we got Superman by others coining it). Superman retreats and Lex declares victory...however there is none because the military is moving in to arrest him. During this entire process Batman has hand delivered evidence of the espionage and terror plot created to lure Superman out to the FBI, Lex has no idea that the news has hit the wires and his company has tanked on the market.

Faced with the reality that everything around him has been taken, he lashes out. The military and Superman continue to attempt to stop him but the suit along with Wayne's tech proves too much. During the battle Superman hears something and turns to look in the distance and sees a dark jet. Batman enters scene in his jet talking to Superman on a low level frequency no one but them can hear projected from the jet. He informs Superman of what the tech is, how it works and what must be done to take it out. Superman quickly finds Batman where he has landed and hands him a device which will disable Lex's suit.

Superman quickly races in and the fight continues between the weakened Superman and the Lex in suit. We get some good shots and eventually it looks like it appears that Superman has been overpowered. With Lex standing over Superman crushed slightly into the ground foot on his chest and proudly proclaiming victory and giving some speech about how humanity doesn't need a savoir we hear a low rumble in the background, quick pan shot over Lex's shoulder and we see the jet, and it lets loose an unholy god volley of energy shots...the same Kryptonian shots. They hit Lex and literally shatter pieces of the suit and knocking him down, but Lex isn't out. Superman struggling with all his will power then kneels reaches over to Lex, tears a hole in the suit exposing some innards of electronics shoves the device given to him earlier and the suit is disabled.

The finale shot is Superman standing with Bruce Wayne at an event to kick off a rebuilding process of Metropolis again, and Bruce gives speech about how he plans to help Metro rebuild in the wake and absence of LexCorp. He talks of pulling together as a team to work towards common goals larger than one could handle alone. He vouches for Superman, proudly proclaims him as a protector and bridge between worlds. Afterwards during the applause Wayne essentially outs himself to Superman and lets in that he's known about him being Clark Kent for awhile now and that perhaps the two could partner together more often. Superman agrees and the two turn to a cheering crowd with arms raised.

Closing shot is one of Lex, now sitting in a maximum security prison. Talking to someone in the cell next to him. It seems simple banter except the voice on the other side is gravelly and a little not slightly human, annoying. While they are talking Lex seems to become visibly annoyed when all of a sudden the voice asks "So what if you wanted to get revenge"....pause..."I might know how to do it" the voice says. A guard walks past Lex's door and we hear commotion next door, Lex seems confused but doesn't budge. It goes silent and we hear the voice say "Here, take my card...call anytime"

A playing card slip through the door, Lex moves over to look at the card and brings it up. Its the Joker.

Close scene, end movie, roll credits.


/You can make checks payable to IdBeCrazyIf Warner Brothers
 
2013-07-25 11:34:03 AM  
Wow, what gives with all the Batman hate?
 
2013-07-25 11:37:30 AM  
The device to weaken superman would be a can of krypton-air.  Kind of a weak way to introduce kryptonite, IMO.
 
2013-07-25 11:39:12 AM  
Could they have found a worse picture of the guy? Looking him up on Google (since I've never heard of the dude) he looks like he'd go well with a Kevin Conroy voice dub.
 
2013-07-25 11:43:42 AM  
IdBeCrazyIf: Words

Not a bad idea, although I don't think the final reveal to pump up a Justice League movie would be adequate with The Joker. There needs to be a global threat, and Joker just doesn't have the chops to rain that kind of destruction.

/Perhaps a secret alliance with ~Brainiac~ that helped Lex develop his Super-Smiter-Suit, in place of your espionage idea that is revealed at the end.
 
2013-07-25 11:51:21 AM  

SirLothar: /Perhaps a secret alliance with ~Brainiac~ that helped Lex develop his Super-Smiter-Suit, in place of your espionage idea that is revealed at the end.


I could buy that too, only reason I went with Joker was to pick the two obvious villains to the two good guys starting of the league.
 
2013-07-25 11:55:42 AM  
I actually liked Michael Keaton as Batman in the first movie with Jack as the Joker.
 
2013-07-25 11:55:47 AM  

AntonChigger: Wow, what gives with all the Batman hate?


Batman is awesome. I just recognize he's mortal and routinely depicted as getting beat nearly to death by humans so I don't see the point in engaging in this 'of course he would defeat superman!' hogwash. They're virtually always on the same side. Just stop it with this meaningless contrivance already.
 
2013-07-25 11:56:14 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: SirLothar: /Perhaps a secret alliance with ~Brainiac~ that helped Lex develop his Super-Smiter-Suit, in place of your espionage idea that is revealed at the end.

I could buy that too, only reason I went with Joker was to pick the two obvious villains to the two good guys starting of the league.


i think the first justice league movie needs to be either Darkseid or, if they can make a not lame costume, Despero.
 
2013-07-25 12:00:01 PM  

SirLothar: IdBeCrazyIf: Words

Not a bad idea, although I don't think the final reveal to pump up a Justice League movie would be adequate with The Joker. There needs to be a global threat, and Joker just doesn't have the chops to rain that kind of destruction.

/Perhaps a secret alliance with ~Brainiac~ that helped Lex develop his Super-Smiter-Suit, in place of your espionage idea that is revealed at the end.


Something something, global my threat anytime if you know what I mean, and I think you do...pst,  it's my penis, shhh,

ifanboy.com
 
2013-07-25 12:01:12 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: SirLothar: /Perhaps a secret alliance with ~Brainiac~ that helped Lex develop his Super-Smiter-Suit, in place of your espionage idea that is revealed at the end.

I could buy that too, only reason I went with Joker was to pick the two obvious villains to the two good guys starting of the league.


Good work you two. I'd watch that.
 
2013-07-25 12:02:25 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Rwa2play: Wow, it seems lots of people in this thread think power = winning.

Even more surprising that there are people in the thread who think a guy who spends his days tangling with pickpockets and mentally ill clowns can kill superman by virtue of his fridge list and a tattered copy of The Art of War.


1/10.  Don't think anyone can be this dense without trolling.
 
2013-07-25 12:16:18 PM  

Carth: IdBeCrazyIf: SirLothar: /Perhaps a secret alliance with ~Brainiac~ that helped Lex develop his Super-Smiter-Suit, in place of your espionage idea that is revealed at the end.

I could buy that too, only reason I went with Joker was to pick the two obvious villains to the two good guys starting of the league.

i think the first justice league movie needs to be either Darkseid or, if they can make a not lame costume, Despero.


You don't pull out the big guns for the first movie. It's just not the way business is done in Hollywood. First you introduce a villain with an ostensible global threat, that brings the team together. Have them get whooped a little bit by trying to go at it individually. Create the NEED for the team.

Second movie reveals Darkseid as the architect, but not the direct threat. (?Villain?) Third movie is where you bring the thunder.

Don't none of yous watch movies?
 
2013-07-25 12:18:29 PM  

Carth: i think the first justice league movie needs to be either Darkseid or, if they can make a not lame costume, Despero.


I think Darkseid would come later, have it be the actions of Lex along with a Brainiac or whoever and they interfere with the Kryptonian technology reverse engineering it and toying with it. Which brings Earth into the cross hairs for Darkseid and he sends an army to conquer Earth thinking it's a new space faring world....in his mind unless they know of the universe they are nothing more than primitive life forms not worth of combat.

We could even further tie in Krypton history that Darkseid was the reason the Kryptonians retreated from space dooming their fate.
 
2013-07-25 12:20:45 PM  
Drive a semi full of money to JGL's opulent residence. There's your Batman.
 
2013-07-25 12:21:57 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: We could even further tie in Krypton history that Darkseid was the reason the Kryptonians retreated from space dooming their fate.


I like it!
 
2013-07-25 12:23:03 PM  

SirLothar: You don't pull out the big guns for the first movie. It's just not the way business is done in Hollywood. First you introduce a villain with an ostensible global threat, that brings the team together. Have them get whooped a little bit by trying to go at it individually. Create the NEED for the team.

Second movie reveals Darkseid as the architect, but not the direct threat. (?Villain?) Third movie is where you bring the thunder.

Don't none of yous watch movies?


That's not how the avengers did it - or they did all three in the first movie. But I like your idea better.
 
2013-07-25 12:27:44 PM  
I didn't see the remake, but from the comments I've read here, it seems to involve massive destruction, presumably the deaths of a considerable number of civilians and ends in murder.  Wouldn't a rational government consider this alien somewhat of a danger and seek to neutralize him? Perhaps by contracting with LexCorp and Wayne Enterprises to find a neutralizing mechanism?
 
2013-07-25 12:31:26 PM  

JohnBigBootay: SirLothar: You don't pull out the big guns for the first movie. It's just not the way business is done in Hollywood. First you introduce a villain with an ostensible global threat, that brings the team together. Have them get whooped a little bit by trying to go at it individually. Create the NEED for the team.

Second movie reveals Darkseid as the architect, but not the direct threat. (?Villain?) Third movie is where you bring the thunder.

Don't none of yous watch movies?

That's not how the avengers did it

  - or they did all three in the first movie. But I like your idea better.

Incorrect.

Each character got their own movie leading up to Avengers. "The Big Bad" was, for all intents and purposes, Loki. We knew him. Agreed, he was working with the Chitauri, and by extension Thanos. But see the lack of direct involvement by Thanos.

He comes later to wreck shiat.

I humbly submit that story-telling has kinda devolved to a point where we accept the same type of plot devices for a slew of different stories. That doesn't mean it can't be effective. The Avengers was awesome. I think if done right, the Justice League could be even better.
 
2013-07-25 12:31:34 PM  

SirLothar: IdBeCrazyIf: We could even further tie in Krypton history that Darkseid was the reason the Kryptonians retreated from space dooming their fate.

I like it!


The only issue I am having is how to intro some of the other JLA members, Flash isn't difficult. We could retro him saving people during the Metropolis Crisis. Even Martian is pretty easy since we've already established that we are not alone. Green Lantern is a little harder but with a Darkseid threat he appears to protect this sector.

Its got damn Wonder Woman that I'm not sure how to work in and frankly am almost thinking to leave her out.
 
2013-07-25 12:41:59 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Its got damn Wonder Woman that I'm not sure how to work in and frankly am almost thinking to leave her out.


Maybe I'm looking at it from a completely wrong angle but I feel like DC/WB just don't want to read her stories and think up an idea of how to tell her story,  At least not from the "storytelling" angle and more like "marketing" angle.
 
2013-07-25 12:42:06 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: SirLothar: IdBeCrazyIf: We could even further tie in Krypton history that Darkseid was the reason the Kryptonians retreated from space dooming their fate.

I like it!

The only issue I am having is how to intro some of the other JLA members, Flash isn't difficult. We could retro him saving people during the Metropolis Crisis. Even Martian is pretty easy since we've already established that we are not alone. Green Lantern is a little harder but with a Darkseid threat he appears to protect this sector.

Its got damn Wonder Woman that I'm not sure how to work in and frankly am almost thinking to leave her out.


Massive retconning is how. In this hypothetical JL line-up, Wonder Woman isn't an "Amazon Princess."

Can have her just be a presumably normal woman, that finds out about her abilities in the aftermath of the Kryptonian invasion. Perhaps she was in Metropolis for a meeting with Lexcorp or a subsidiary. Building gets demolished, and she doesn't get hurt. She saves some folks from descending rubble or what not. And then we have a start for her character.

Naturally the costume doesn't fit in the traditional sense. Nor does the back story. However, we can have that origin explained over the course of the movies. Never really have a focus on her directly.

/Spitballin
 
2013-07-25 12:51:33 PM  
The first question I have is why don't Batman and Superman get along? I know they have different methods, but in a good cop/bad cop sort of way.
 
2013-07-25 01:07:32 PM  
Teen Wolf? I thought that was Michael J Fox?
 
2013-07-25 01:08:15 PM  
Whoever they choose to cast as Batman, can we get Kevin Conroy to do his voice?
 
2013-07-25 01:11:22 PM  

SirLothar: Massive retconning is how. In this hypothetical JL line-up, Wonder Woman isn't an "Amazon Princess."

Can have her just be a presumably normal woman, that finds out about her abilities in the aftermath of the Kryptonian invasion. Perhaps she was in Metropolis for a meeting with Lexcorp or a subsidiary. Building gets demolished, and she doesn't get hurt. She saves some folks from descending rubble or what not. And then we have a start for her character.

Naturally the costume doesn't fit in the traditional sense. Nor does the back story. However, we can have that origin explained over the course of the movies. Never really have a focus on her directly.

/Spitballin


Uh, the "Highlander" angle?  Really?
 
2013-07-25 01:19:26 PM  

AntonChigger: Wow, what gives with all the Batman hate?


I love Batman.  I'm just sick of the way he has been written to be so overpowered.  He's a smart detective with amazing hand-to-hand combat skills and great gadgets.  Against the gallery of rogues that were originally written for him he is a great match-up.  Against an indestructible alien with limitless strength?  Not so much.  Yet Batman has been written and worshiped lately as if he could take on Darkseid alone if he had enough time to plan the battle.  Ri-gorram-diculous.
 
2013-07-25 01:24:32 PM  

Rwa2play: Uh, the "Highlander" angle?  Really?


In what way is that "The Highlander" angle?  She's not immortal. I'm thinking more a Donald Blake angle. If you understand that reference.
 
2013-07-25 01:27:28 PM  
Well see, Batman has lots of awesome weapons and tools and cunning and a bad ass car and he will, oh, he's already dead because the super-alien from a different planet who can do anything has already ripped his head off.

/Seriously, we're arguing about this? I friggin' love fark.
//I like Batman as well, it just seems like a silly story line.
 
2013-07-25 01:32:07 PM  

ColSanders: I love Batman. I'm just sick of the way he has been written to be so overpowered. He's a smart detective with amazing hand-to-hand combat skills and great gadgets. Against the gallery of rogues that were originally written for him he is a great match-up. Against an indestructible alien with limitless strength? Not so much. Yet Batman has been written and worshiped lately as if he could take on Darkseid alone if he had enough time to plan the battle. Ri-gorram-diculous.


That's exactly how I feel about it. Batman is awesome. But he's a flesh and blood dude and if you stick a switchblade through his eye socket he'll die like anyone else. If you really need him dead and don't want to do anything dangerous, just wait a while and he'll die of old age. He's not immortal.
 
2013-07-25 01:36:29 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Its got damn Wonder Woman that I'm not sure how to work in and frankly am almost thinking to leave her out.


Titties are popular though. I am thinking Sophia Vergara or Salma Hayek would be a fantastic wonder woman.
 
2013-07-25 01:36:32 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Words


So Superman does stuff, but he fails, and Batman saves him a bunch of times. Batman beats Supes-as-Clark and stops the villain that the combined might of Superman and the military can't stop. Batman also exposes Lex's Syndrome-esque plot to the authorities and single-handedly brings down Lexcorp.

What is Superman in this, other than a plot device in a Batman movie? He is the reason all this happens, he has no agency in the plot whatsoever, gets beaten at every turn, and his one moment of action and heroism against Lex is to, with his last ounce of strength, use a machine Bruce designed to defeat Lex.

It's an interesting story, and I dig the Lexcorp vs Wayne Industries angle, but it comes down to a "Lex beats Superman with Kryptonite, and Batman wins" plot in the end.
 
2013-07-25 01:38:23 PM  
So when can I expect the zompire apocalypse?

i.huffpost.com
 
2013-07-25 01:43:52 PM  

TheLopper: Well see, Batman has lots of awesome weapons and tools and cunning and a bad ass car and he will, oh, he's already dead because the super-alien from a different planet who can do anything has already ripped his head off.

/Seriously, we're arguing about this? I friggin' love fark.
//I like Batman as well, it just seems like a silly story line.


Sigh...it looks like no one read neither "The Dark Knight Returns" nor (in more recent stories) "Hush" to find out that a) yeah, Batman can kick Superman's ass and b) Superman respects Batman because he's smart enough not to go straight up into a fight with Supes.

Either that, or people be trollin' yo~!
 
2013-07-25 01:46:30 PM  

SirLothar: Carth: IdBeCrazyIf: SirLothar: /Perhaps a secret alliance with ~Brainiac~ that helped Lex develop his Super-Smiter-Suit, in place of your espionage idea that is revealed at the end.

I could buy that too, only reason I went with Joker was to pick the two obvious villains to the two good guys starting of the league.

i think the first justice league movie needs to be either Darkseid or, if they can make a not lame costume, Despero.

You don't pull out the big guns for the first movie. It's just not the way business is done in Hollywood. First you introduce a villain with an ostensible global threat, that brings the team together. Have them get whooped a little bit by trying to go at it individually. Create the NEED for the team.

Second movie reveals Darkseid as the architect, but not the direct threat. (?Villain?) Third movie is where you bring the thunder.

Don't none of yous watch movies?


Marvel using Thanos kinda puts the kibosh on Darkseid, for the movie audiences who don't follow comic history it would just look like they were copying the MCU. Ultron probably does the same for Brainiac.

As for Wonder Woman, let Gail Simone write the movie. It'll work.
 
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