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(KATU)   "WE" never said it was legal. Feds raid Washington State marijuana dispensaries   ( katu.com) divider line
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2013-07-25 09:45:20 AM  
7 votes:

scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.


So fight back.  Spread the word about jury nullification, but don't EVER hint to a judge that you are even aware of it.  I will not have any part in sending someone to prison for possession of a relatively harmless plant.  That's patently absurd.
2013-07-25 10:49:00 AM  
5 votes:
Stop ingesting natural herbs like pot and kratom to ease your pain. Instead, buy our synthetic chemical pills.
2013-07-25 11:49:12 AM  
4 votes:

vbob: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

Change We Can Believe In??

How about a President we can believe?


Going to have to stop voting (D) and (R) to get that.
2013-07-25 11:21:30 AM  
4 votes:
Agents told her the raid was part of a two-year investigation


Five minutes:  Look up law saying marijuana is illegal

Four hours, tops:  Notice that person is selling marijuana openly and publicly.

One year, 364 1/2 days:  Sitting on ass drawing government salary
2013-07-25 11:02:35 AM  
4 votes:
It all comes down to federal jobs. As long as there are federal law enforcers and for-profit federal prisons, there will be a war on "drugs".

These agencies rely on a federal budget and if suddenly there isn't a need to have officers chasing after the pot smokers, then they lose their budgets and their fat pay cheques. Also, the corporations that sell weapons to these agencies, the corporations who supply the for-profit prisons, etc. lobby to keep the war on drugs going. They don't want to lose their government contracts.

It is all about big business and federal budgets and they don't give a damn about what "we the people" actually want.
2013-07-25 10:59:47 AM  
4 votes:
Meanwhile pills doctors hand out like candy now kill more people than cocaine and heroin combined.

Thank you, officers, for taking such good care of us all.
2013-07-25 09:49:10 AM  
4 votes:
scottydoesntknow:
Ohhh no sorry, I think you misread that. I meant the DEA is fighting a losing battle.

No, I knew you meant that.  My point is everyone should be aware that if you're on a jury, you don't HAVE to convict even if guilt is obvious.  No judge will ever tell you this, and you'll be excused if you even hint that you know it, but it's your right if you believe the law is wrong.
2013-07-25 09:28:20 AM  
4 votes:
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2013-07-25 12:26:24 PM  
3 votes:
Such a farking waste of money.  It kills me that the same Supreme Court that just struck down part of the VRA on the basis of "state's rights" still condones this kind of crap when it comes to drugs.  Hell, Justice Thomas wrote the opinion where he blessed the feds arresting people for weed possession, even if they were in compliance with state medical marijuana law.  Crazy how "states rights" suddenly isn't so important when it comes to a state enacting a policy that the conservative justices disagree with.
2013-07-25 11:11:35 AM  
3 votes:

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2013-07-25 11:03:39 AM  
3 votes:

give me doughnuts: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]


That's right. He personally led the raid, then went back in time to the 1930s and lobbied Congress to make marijuana illegal.


He didn't lead the raid, and no one's saying that. He did say there was no reason to focus on states that have it legalized, yet the DEA is knocking breaking down people's doors in states where it's legalized.

Obama says - quote - "It does not make sense from a prioritization point of view" to focus on drug use in states where it is now legal.

They need to get their dogs back on a leash, otherwise it does look hypocritical.
2013-07-25 10:50:50 AM  
3 votes:
Considering the vast number of dispensaries that haven't been raided, I'm expecting something more to come out of this -- were they importing from Mexican cartels, perhaps?
2013-07-25 09:43:00 AM  
3 votes:
They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.
2013-07-25 11:32:44 PM  
2 votes:
My guess is they were growing more than they were allowed to and selling it somewhere other than the dispensary, like out on the street or more likely out of state.
2013-07-25 01:59:42 PM  
2 votes:

mutterfark: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

First, I would like the war on drugs to be ended. That said, Pres. Obama can't get Republicans to agree with the healthcare plan that their own think tank outlined. They have delayed his appointments for years and just released their amazing plan to help America: "stop all the President's plans".  And you think he has the  political capital to stop the War on Drugs?

I voted for Pres. Obama twice without regret. I hoped for a change in tone as the 2008 election came and went. The change came in the form of the Republican Party going batshiate crazy.


Its funny how the cultists will excuse any and all behavior of their leader when it contradicts what they have invested so much in.

Obama is the head of the executive branch. Holder reports to him and the DOJ gets its marching orders from the WH. Why do you think no one from Wall St was brought up on charges ? Why do you think only low level leakers are the ones being dragged over the coals when connected DC insiders are free to disseminate TOP secret info to the press when it suits the WH ?
2013-07-25 12:44:43 PM  
2 votes:
ER visits for conditions attributable to marijuana, alone? 0
Calls to Poison Control Centers re: marijuana, alone? 0 (plenty of quality control calls, e.g., 'can I smoke it if it smells like pee?')
Deaths, attributable to marijuana, alone? 0

Estimated number of deaths, annually, from Aspirin, alone? ~10,000

Estimated percentage of all illegal `drug' imports seized (1971 - 10%/ 2011 - 10%).  One can conclude that Federal/State/local law enforcers, as regards `some drugs' suppression/eradication have been serving as no more than Price Support Subsidy Agents for the majority of the producers/distributors - merely weeding out the inefficient/stupid/unlucky - assisting in providing an enormous untaxed revenue stream to TBTF banks for laundering (estimated that ~ 1 trillion has been so funneled into legitimacy)   That some states are pushing against the tide (defense lawyers to private prisons pushing the other way) is laudable - hell, they even have Clarence Thomas on their side (Gonzalez v. Raich - `founders would never have considered such overreach').  So long as the soccer mom/bible beater crowd pretty much mirrors Nixon's take:   http://www.csdp.org/news/news/nixon.htm  it's still going to be a long road.

However, I'd suggest a ditch weed seed collective - broacast seeds/plant the shiat on the property of every elected official/cop available (in State's that haven't come up to speed) - check back at the end of growing season and find out what is still standing/where.  Call the cops and the media for amusement value (correctly targeted this is more interesting than nullification - stuff is a weed ALL should feel paranoid).  Any County Assessor Site with GIS will reveal good potentials.

/abuse of what? You, citizen
2013-07-25 12:39:32 PM  
2 votes:
scottydoesntknow: "yet the DEA is breaking down people's doors in states where it's legalized"

I believe the actual promise was "we're not going to screw with places that are obeying State law." I've yet to hear about one of these cases where the dispensary was actually above-board. Now, I'm all for saying they need to prove this shiat in court. And I'll rail against current drugs laws, seizure laws and the swat-ification of police departments and the entire para-military DEA abomination alongside you.

But that doesn't mean every dispensary that claims to be on the up-and-up is necessarily so. They're innocent until proven guilty -- but the potential for illegal operation doesn't go away just because legal operation is possible.

I mean, bars and liquor stores get raided. (Sometimes wrongly, sometimes justifiably.)
So there's simply *always* going to be some story about regulators shutting down dispensaries, even if marijuana is legalized federally.

Again, ideally it will never involve some amped-up bully rushing out of an armored personnel carrier with a carbine to stand on an innocent kid's neck -- nor prohibition laws twisted to allow police departments to seize anything and everything for profit.

But (sane) raids will still happen. They still need to be able to happen.
2013-07-25 11:56:25 AM  
2 votes:
Charlottes Web


In a just world the faithful would be using this story as proof God exists.
2013-07-25 11:51:28 AM  
2 votes:

MrJesus: [cdn.meme.li image 300x300]

This is the guy you have to thank for this, not Obama.

fark this guy.


While it's true that Eric Holder is a treasonous douche master, I gotta think that Obama could reign him in if he wanted to.
2013-07-25 11:42:40 AM  
2 votes:
You can thank the helpful lobbyists from the pharmaceutical companies and your friendly liquor/adult beverage producers for the continued charade.  Mom is in the final stages of terminal pancreatic cancer, and one of the first things she did was get her medical marijuana card.  The difference it has made is incredible - has extended her time and quality of life.  Thanks Arizona, for having sensible citizens!

/Fark Self-interested lobbyists
/Fark the feds for this short-sigtedness
2013-07-25 11:36:17 AM  
2 votes:
I dont even smoke and I'm ready for it to be legal. It would be nice because then my roomates room wont smell like the art teachers office.
2013-07-25 11:01:08 AM  
2 votes:

Konowalchuk22: "agents seized personal cell phones" because fark you, that's why.


I wonder what for?  The NSA has all that information stored some where already.
2013-07-25 10:57:48 AM  
2 votes:
Good job, Obama.  You saved the Americas!

Eric Holder gives Mexican Drug cartels guns and then goes after the America drug dealers (though legal as they are).  Obama must have some HSBC stock.
2013-07-25 10:54:42 AM  
2 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

Because when I think of pro-marijuana, I think of Republicans. Some Libertarians are pro-marijuana. Most Libertarians are Republicans, however.


I used to think democrats might have a bit of a sane policy if they got power at the federal level but obviously that isn't the case either. We're all stuck between a tard and a shart place.
2013-07-25 10:54:01 AM  
2 votes:
State of Washington V. U.S. Federal Government coming to a court room near you.
2013-07-25 10:52:53 AM  
2 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

Because when I think of pro-marijuana, I think of Republicans. Some Libertarians are pro-marijuana. Most Libertarians are Republicans, however.


William F Buckley was pro legalization all the way back to the early 70's.

I notice nobody appears to have gotten arrested, which actually is change you can believe in.
2013-07-25 10:51:51 AM  
2 votes:
Dispenseries in California have put up with this for years.  I remember seeing an interview on "Marijuana Inc." where a dispensery owner says that saying how much marijuana he sells would set off a DEA raid.  From what I could tell, the unofficial deal was that you in no way directly stated what you did on federal documentation and you didn't rub the fed's noses in it.

/I bet someone shot off at the mouth
2013-07-25 10:51:08 AM  
2 votes:
It's not surprising but it is depressing.
2013-07-25 10:49:35 AM  
2 votes:
never trust the government, also nice placement of the vapirise ad
2013-07-25 10:49:10 AM  
2 votes:
We'll fix this problem once the boomers go away.
//I would never use drugs of any kind, and I can see how retarded neo-prohibition is.
2013-07-25 10:48:48 AM  
2 votes:
Dicks.
2013-07-25 10:44:55 AM  
2 votes:
Of all the posts where there actually should have been a "Thanks Obama" this is the one where it got left off?

Geesh, Fark. I can't even count on you to be racist where it's actually non-racist to be racist when it really counts.

Disappointing.
2013-07-25 06:28:37 PM  
1 vote:

schrodinger: scottydoesntknow: Konowalchuk22: DarkVader: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

This IS solely at Obama's feet.

All of those people work for the executive branch.  All US Attorneys serve "at the pleasure of the President" which means that Obama has the authority to fire any of them who ignore his instructions to have these raids stopped.  How many has he fired?

Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.

So yes, this IS Obama's fault - and the fault of EVERY President since Nixon signed the controlled substances act.

The federal government, according to ths US Office of Personnel Management, employs 4.4 million people.  Obama is personally responsible for all of them.  There are about 31.5 million seconds in a year....so that gives Obama on the average 7 seconds per year on each one.  This assumes he never sleeps, or does anything else.  I'm thinking these raids happened some time other than the 7 seconds he could devote to the performance review of this handful of DEA agents in the greater Sea-Tac area.

That's a whole lot of completely useless math.

Obama to head of DEA: "Stop raiding dispensaries in states where it's legal"
Head of DEA: "Ok, sorry boss."

1)  The purpose of the executive branch is to enforce the law.  As long as the law is on the books, refusing to enforce the law would be grounds for impeachment.


Tell that to the Cherokee while holding a picture of Andrew Jackson.
2013-07-25 05:25:56 PM  
1 vote:

jigger: DarkVader: Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.

I could be wrong, but I think the schedule is statutory, meaning Congress would have to change it.

But, you're right, the selective raids are purely at Obama's feet.


Marijuana, scientifically speaking, has never met the criteria to be considered a Schedule 1 drug.  You or I could petition the DEA to have marijuana rescheduled.  However, I don't have the cash to create a super-duper next generation exemplar of the Schedule 3 PATENTED Marinol (THC in a pill!!!!).  Any prez. could work the flourish through FDA to DEA tunneling/arm twisting.  Can't outright legalize without Congress owing to U.S. being signatory to updated Single Convention Treaty (some allies already biatching about States not being chastised by Federal military for their temerity - nothing I'd worry about - would like to hear the howls of producer nations if we were to legalize all drugs of abuse and sell OTC, to adults, at cost (increased manufacturing jobs - cull population of those who - by their own hand - retire from the target pool).
2013-07-25 03:16:50 PM  
1 vote:
I don't see how anyone could look at the facts and not conclude that Obama is flat-out liar on this issue.
2013-07-25 03:01:04 PM  
1 vote:

06Wahoo: scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.

I feel like I'm hearing more statements like this these days.  "It is inevitable", "Just accept it", "You can never win", "You're a [insert insult here], so why does your opinion matter?", etc.  Why does it sound like people who make arguments like this sound more like super villains than anything else?


Or rapists.

I think it's mostly the aging boomer population that is both old&tired of fighting for their own political opinions and has been far more successful than their parents at suppressing the next generations' political wills.

But it's never just one thing.
2013-07-25 02:44:44 PM  
1 vote:

BullBearMS: BigNumber12: These raids aren't anomalies happening beyond Obama's control. He's being quite consistent in shoring up Federal power.

Entirely correct.

This is a multiagency coordinated attack.
• The Treasury Department has forced banks to close accounts of medical marijuana businesses operating legally under state law.
• The IRS has slapped dispensary owners with taxes required of no other businesses.
• Prosecutors have threatened to seize the property of landlords and jail for renting to marijuana dispensaries.
• The United States attorney in San Diego has indicated she'll start targeting media outlets that run dispensaries' ads.


I can only speak to the irs tax item.

At the federal level, it is against tax law to deduct expenses from an enterprise that performs any illegal action.

IOW, you have can have no federal deductions what so ever. Hence the unsual burdensome taxes.

*speculation powers activate! Form of hyperbole; shape of DERP!*

As for the banks.... knowingly processing transactions for an illegal enterprise is technically money laundering. Also, technically banks cant knowingly lend money to an illegal enterprise. To enforce any agreement they would have to confess to financing an illegal enterprise which might run them afoul of RICO.

*speculation powers deactivate*

Until a federal law addressing these or a court ruling or a reclassification of marijuana (it is currently classified more dangerous than heroin), it will continue.

The feds will avoid any changes on their end for as long as possible.
2013-07-25 02:37:23 PM  
1 vote:

Pixel_Jockey: There has to be more to the story here since the article said this was part of a two year investigation. My guess is that this dispensaries were selling to people without medical cards.


Um, no.  There doesn't have to be more to the story.

Federal law trumps State law.  The Feds originally had stated they wouldn't put forth the effort to enforce in states where it was legalized but they changed their tune and did what they did in Wyoming.
2013-07-25 02:31:07 PM  
1 vote:

Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana, but unless these dealers were involved in transporting this stuff directly to another state (interstate commerce) than this is WAY out of line for the Feds, Constitutionally.

But, then again, when was the last time the Constitution really mattered in our society?

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Fun fact. Even though we are "legal" we still have idiots growing out of state and transporting up here. My local dispensary was out of product at the end of the week because their guy got busted going across the Oregon/Washington border with his "legal" medicine.

It also appears some of these dispensaries aren't sticking to the program of medical patients only until the board gets the real recreational rules in place.
PJ-
2013-07-25 02:28:40 PM  
1 vote:
I dated a heavy anti-marijuana lady once, which was quite funny to my friends because when I was dating her, I was smoking about 1/8 oz a day (from 4:30 pm till about 10:30pm after getting home from work).  What really blew her and her friends away, is that they never pegged me to be a marijuana smoker, she never asked me, I never told her.  Well, after dating for a month or two, word got out that not only did I like to smoke, I was chronic.  She was yelling and screaming the whole time about how i deceived her and how I lied to her, but her best friend was the best, just a priceless reaction.

It went on for about 30 minutes of the same line of questioning

her:'You smoke weed?'
me:'that's right'
h: 'You?'
m: 'me'
h:  'I would never have thought you smoked weed!'
m:  'well, I do.'

Then a few minutes would pass, then she would ask the same questions again.  Apparently, her friend now dabbles a bit in marijuana, and has come to realize that you have to know your limits.  I'm just one of the lucky ones that can blaze a pile of weed and still be functional.  I'll never forget the time where I blazed a spliff with a buddy then drove back to my place, he asked me about an hour after we got to my place 'how did we get here?  I mean, we smoked that spliff, but that was on the other side of town.'  'Yea, I drove us, took us about 10 minutes on the highway...'  'You drove us?  I don't even remember the car ride.'
2013-07-25 02:03:18 PM  
1 vote:

koder: ...and this is how a Supreme Court farked things up royally.

The DEA has no jurisdiction when it comes to an otherwise wild, naturally-occurring plant being cultivated and consumed within the confines of a single state when that state has made it legal to do so. Once the plant crosses the state boarder, it becomes an interstate commerce issue.

Any impartial SCOTUS would have found that to be the case, but when you pack the court with biased business buddies, you get idiotic decisions that reveal their bias to anyone with any interest in constitutional law.


Are we talking about wheat?
2013-07-25 12:31:54 PM  
1 vote:

Mock26: Silly state legislators.  You cannot pass a state law that overrides a federal law, even a stupid one.


States rights?

/troll on
2013-07-25 12:21:51 PM  
1 vote:
Obama, I realize you are a politician.  But seriously, fark you for your BS doublespeak on things like medical marijuana and closing gitmo.
2013-07-25 12:20:33 PM  
1 vote:
Who the feds think they are:

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Who the Feds really are:

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2013-07-25 12:16:22 PM  
1 vote:

steppenwolf: Good, these low life drug peddlers need to be locked up in Gitmo for putting our children at risk. Everyone knows that one hit of the Devil's Lettuce dooms you to a life of morbid obesity, chronic masturbation, and radical leftism, much like your typical Politics tab poster.


Wait, I missed out on the smoking weed step?!?

Well and radical leftism. I'm a Midwestern leftist, which puts me fairly towards the center.
Treat the sick, house and feed the poor. Everyone welcome to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't spill out of their backyard and I don't have to watch. For example,

Got asked once how I could support about gay marriage. I said, "What does it matter to me who marries who?" The person, a little flustered replied, "Do you want to see two dudes kissing public?!?" I said, "No, but I'm a Midwesterner. I don't want to see *anyone* kissing in public. What you do at home where I can't see, as long as it isn't hurting anybody, isn't any of my damn business."

Almost never vote strait party line either, although the republicans are made it damn hard to vote for the this last election cycle. I believe that Tom Latham was the only one I did, mostly because Boswell was getting weird in his old age.

/ And Representative King and most of North Western Iowa need a strong lecture about  removing the plank in their own eye before complaining about the splinter in others.
// Likely over green bean salad and pork chops.
/// Depends who bring what in covered dishes.
2013-07-25 12:08:45 PM  
1 vote:

Konowalchuk22: syberpud: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

If only the Czar knew this was going on!

He could simply give an order to the DEA (the head of which was appointed by him) and his drug czar (ditto) to honor state laws and focus somewhere else.  Including making budget requests based on those decisions.  Unless Congress specifically allocates funds to be used to raid pot dispensaries, he can do that.

Sure he could.  I could win the lottery while felating the entire population of Zimbabwe.  But is it likely? or is it likely that a cadre of hammers in the DEA found what appeared to be a nail?  You're looking at it top-down, when it's more than likely mid-level cowboys working with the okay of their still mid-level boss, who probably got the okay from his still mid-level boss.


It's almost like they were following a policy and don't get explicit instructions on how often to take a leak from their bosses.

But their bosses could change their policies.

Sorry, but "government is too big to manage" isn't an excuse for the people that advocate for it to stay that size and volunteered to manage it.
2013-07-25 12:06:58 PM  
1 vote:

nekom: scottydoesntknow:
Ohhh no sorry, I think you misread that. I meant the DEA is fighting a losing battle.

No, I knew you meant that.  My point is everyone should be aware that if you're on a jury, you don't HAVE to convict even if guilt is obvious.  No judge will ever tell you this, and you'll be excused if you even hint that you know it, but it's your right if you believe the law is wrong.


I think this should actually be made part of all jury instructions.  The whole idea of having a conviction hang on a jury of peers and not by goverment decree alone is so that the citizens can say, nope, we don't agree with this law whether or not the person did what you claim.
2013-07-25 12:03:23 PM  
1 vote:

ToastTheRabbit: AeAe: ToastTheRabbit: sooooo let me get this straight...

The Government spent tax dollars for 2 YEARS investigating an open storefront selling marijuana ... 2 years.. it took them to realize "Hey, this pot dispensary is actually selling as advertised, pot"

/WTF

That justifies continued employment for the agents.

Explain to me why the government which is supposed to be working for us, not the other way around, has not be fired?

its not an Obama issue... this has been going on for a loooooooong time


I don't have a good answer.  the government is huge and there are people there working all their lives.  They are entrenched in their positions and these people dictate policy.  Maybe it's greed.  Maybe it's protecting your turf.  the system is broken.
2013-07-25 12:02:46 PM  
1 vote:

Gunslinger013: MrJesus: [cdn.meme.li image 300x300]

This is the guy you have to thank for this, not Obama.

fark this guy.

While it's true that Eric Holder is a treasonous douche master, I gotta think that Obama could reign him in if he wanted to.


That Eric Holder really makes you wonder why the founders set up a system where a treasonous douche master like him can just violate laws and waste resources with impunity and there's nothing the President or anyone else can do about it, doesn't it? It's like nobody is Eric Holder's boss.

/oh wait
2013-07-25 12:02:25 PM  
1 vote:
This is why we need to elect the character "House" into office.
2013-07-25 11:55:23 AM  
1 vote:

Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?


If only the Czar knew this was going on!

He could simply give an order to the DEA (the head of which was appointed by him) and his drug czar (ditto) to honor state laws and focus somewhere else.  Including making budget requests based on those decisions.  Unless Congress specifically allocates funds to be used to raid pot dispensaries, he can do that.
2013-07-25 11:51:32 AM  
1 vote:

Where wolf: my Google-fu is weak today.  I know that in Colorado, part of the tax money from sales went to a fund for the Attorney General to 1) sue the fed and 2) protect anyone tried by the fed.  Was something similar put on the books in Washington?


Not sure myself, but I figure with Colorado jumping on to the legalization bandwagon we'll probably have some raids of our own in the near future.  Sucks.  Just stop wasting tax payers money and leave people alone.  I don't smoke anymore but admittedly it is tempting to start again since it's legal(ish) here now.  Unfortunately most employers still drug test for it.
2013-07-25 11:35:44 AM  
1 vote:

Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?


If he's incapable of running the executive branch, either he isn't capable of being President or the parts he is incapable of running shouldn't exist.

Now I'm happy with his removal and/or eliminating the DEA, but which do you choose?
2013-07-25 11:33:57 AM  
1 vote:

cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]


Change We Can Believe In??

How about a President we can believe?
2013-07-25 11:29:01 AM  
1 vote:

scottydoesntknow: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?

Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.


Judging by his profile, I'd say he's anti-legalization because it would cut into his profits.
2013-07-25 11:27:52 AM  
1 vote:
There has to be more to the story here since the article said this was part of a two year investigation. My guess is that this dispensaries were selling to people without medical cards.
2013-07-25 11:27:37 AM  
1 vote:

randomjsa: So are they making an example out of this one or what? More to come? This doesn't make sense.


I can't say that I know more on it than what's in the article, but my guess is that the raided dispensaries had some "extra-curricular" activities going on (trafficking to other states, dealing in heavier narcotics, etc.) that were under investigation prior to when Washington state legalized possession of marijuana.  Again, I'm not too knowledgeable on the law, but I figure if there  was a full-blown anti-marijuana move by the feds, there would be a legal movement by the feds to sue the state or strike down the law.
2013-07-25 11:26:08 AM  
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spagunk: Apparently everything ISN'T going to be alright!


+1
2013-07-25 11:24:45 AM  
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Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?


Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.
2013-07-25 11:22:51 AM  
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The war on drugs right now resembles the war in the pacific after we dropped the two atomic bombs on Japan:

It's OVER, but there are plenty of people out there who are still fighting for their lives who have not gotten the message yet.

The anti pot brigade is in danger of losing funding, and being replaced by not only eliminating their JOBS, but by replacing them with an INCOME STREAM, and let me tell you that that has to Hurt.  Here you have hung your career on being an anti-drug warrior and now the earth crumbles beneath your feet.

We need to feel compassion for the drug warriors, we need to make sure that we can take care of them as they make the transition from Parasite to productive member of society.  I think that some of our income from pot sales should be earmarked for medical and psychological care for former drug warriors - even if we need to get them prosthetic drug sniffing dogs and other crutches to help them adjust to the new world.

If there is one reason for me to hate President Obama it is because he smoked dope as a member of the Choom Gang, and is still able to be a hypocrite on the issue.  If the president still had his balls, he would sack Eric Holder, and use his pen to declassify pot and tell the FDA/DEA, and etc. to SUCK IT.

But he's not got the manhood left.  I'm sorry for him.
2013-07-25 11:20:10 AM  
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I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana, but unless these dealers were involved in transporting this stuff directly to another state (interstate commerce) than this is WAY out of line for the Feds, Constitutionally.

But, then again, when was the last time the Constitution really mattered in our society?

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2013-07-25 11:18:53 AM  
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randomjsa: This doesn't make sense.


yeah, and usually drug laws and enforcement make total sense.
2013-07-25 11:09:56 AM  
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2013-07-25 11:04:54 AM  
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2013-07-25 10:50:17 AM


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Because when I think of pro-marijuana, I think of Republicans. Some Libertarians are pro-marijuana. Most Libertarians are Republicans, however.
So the answer is to keep voting in democrats that increase penalties for idiotic drug laws.
2013-07-25 11:02:03 AM  
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meanmutton: Considering the vast number of dispensaries that haven't been raided, I'm expecting something more to come out of this -- were they importing from Mexican cartels, perhaps?


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2013-07-25 10:59:50 AM  
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06Wahoo: scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.

I feel like I'm hearing more statements like this these days.  "It is inevitable", "Just accept it", "You can never win", "You're a [insert insult here], so why does your opinion matter?", etc.  Why does it sound like people who make arguments like this sound more like super villains than anything else?


Wut?
2013-07-25 10:57:39 AM  
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nekom


scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.

So fight back. Spread the word about jury nullification, but don't EVER hint to a judge that you are even aware of it. I will not have any part in sending someone to prison for possession of a relatively harmless plant. That's patently absurd.

An interesting idea, but ultimately not workable.

1- Even coked up fools support the drug laws, once given the power to punish.

2- Most drug "crimes" don't even come to trial. Prosecutors threaten life sentences to scare the $@%% out of people and force them into plea deals.
2013-07-25 10:56:38 AM  
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scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.


I feel like I'm hearing more statements like this these days.  "It is inevitable", "Just accept it", "You can never win", "You're a [insert insult here], so why does your opinion matter?", etc.  Why does it sound like people who make arguments like this sound more like super villains than anything else?
2013-07-25 10:51:57 AM  
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Silly state legislators.  You cannot pass a state law that overrides a federal law, even a stupid one.
2013-07-25 10:51:19 AM  
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Where wolf: my Google-fu is weak today.  I know that in Colorado, part of the tax money from sales went to a fund for the Attorney General to 1) sue the fed and 2) protect anyone tried by the fed.  Was something similar put on the books in Washington?


That's probably a good idea. They had to know the DEA would be coming in to wave its dick around after passing these laws.
2013-07-25 10:51:18 AM  
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cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]



That's right. He personally led the raid, then went back in time to the 1930s and lobbied Congress to make marijuana illegal.
2013-07-25 10:50:17 AM  
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cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]


Because when I think of pro-marijuana, I think of Republicans. Some Libertarians are pro-marijuana. Most Libertarians are Republicans, however.
2013-07-25 10:47:17 AM  
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my Google-fu is weak today.  I know that in Colorado, part of the tax money from sales went to a fund for the Attorney General to 1) sue the fed and 2) protect anyone tried by the fed.  Was something similar put on the books in Washington?
2013-07-25 10:45:14 AM  
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What a joke, farking wasting everyone's money and ruining lives.
2013-07-25 09:47:41 AM  
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nekom: scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.

So fight back.  Spread the word about jury nullification, but don't EVER hint to a judge that you are even aware of it.  I will not have any part in sending someone to prison for possession of a relatively harmless plant.  That's patently absurd.


Ohhh no sorry, I think you misread that. I meant the DEA is fighting a losing battle.
2013-07-25 09:14:24 AM  
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I feel so much safer now.
 
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