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2013-07-25 12:06:14 PM  

offmymeds: Obscene_CNN: And its about damn time!!

The last thing Seattle needs is another stoned hippy on the street.

You mean like this guy?

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That's not a hippy.  Thats a lazy bum!
 
2013-07-25 12:06:58 PM  

nekom: scottydoesntknow:
Ohhh no sorry, I think you misread that. I meant the DEA is fighting a losing battle.

No, I knew you meant that.  My point is everyone should be aware that if you're on a jury, you don't HAVE to convict even if guilt is obvious.  No judge will ever tell you this, and you'll be excused if you even hint that you know it, but it's your right if you believe the law is wrong.


I think this should actually be made part of all jury instructions.  The whole idea of having a conviction hang on a jury of peers and not by goverment decree alone is so that the citizens can say, nope, we don't agree with this law whether or not the person did what you claim.
 
2013-07-25 12:08:45 PM  

Konowalchuk22: syberpud: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

If only the Czar knew this was going on!

He could simply give an order to the DEA (the head of which was appointed by him) and his drug czar (ditto) to honor state laws and focus somewhere else.  Including making budget requests based on those decisions.  Unless Congress specifically allocates funds to be used to raid pot dispensaries, he can do that.

Sure he could.  I could win the lottery while felating the entire population of Zimbabwe.  But is it likely? or is it likely that a cadre of hammers in the DEA found what appeared to be a nail?  You're looking at it top-down, when it's more than likely mid-level cowboys working with the okay of their still mid-level boss, who probably got the okay from his still mid-level boss.


It's almost like they were following a policy and don't get explicit instructions on how often to take a leak from their bosses.

But their bosses could change their policies.

Sorry, but "government is too big to manage" isn't an excuse for the people that advocate for it to stay that size and volunteered to manage it.
 
2013-07-25 12:12:04 PM  
manimal2878:
I think this should actually be made part of all jury instructions.  The whole idea of having a conviction hang on a jury of peers and not by goverment decree alone is so that the citizens can say, nope, we don't agree with this law whether or not the person did what you claim.

Oh I agree 100%, but no judge would agree.  It's kind of like a secret right we all have, we can't let on that we are aware of its existence or we won't be able to use it, but it IS there.
 
2013-07-25 12:12:41 PM  

manimal2878: nekom: scottydoesntknow:
Ohhh no sorry, I think you misread that. I meant the DEA is fighting a losing battle.

No, I knew you meant that.  My point is everyone should be aware that if you're on a jury, you don't HAVE to convict even if guilt is obvious.  No judge will ever tell you this, and you'll be excused if you even hint that you know it, but it's your right if you believe the law is wrong.

I think this should actually be made part of all jury instructions.  The whole idea of having a conviction hang on a jury of peers and not by goverment decree alone is so that the citizens can say, nope, we don't agree with this law whether or not the person did what you claim.


Yeah, but they're not going to say anything that could lower their conviction rate.
 
2013-07-25 12:13:59 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: This is why we need to elect the character "House" into office.


Why, because it is lupus?
 
2013-07-25 12:16:22 PM  

steppenwolf: Good, these low life drug peddlers need to be locked up in Gitmo for putting our children at risk. Everyone knows that one hit of the Devil's Lettuce dooms you to a life of morbid obesity, chronic masturbation, and radical leftism, much like your typical Politics tab poster.


Wait, I missed out on the smoking weed step?!?

Well and radical leftism. I'm a Midwestern leftist, which puts me fairly towards the center.
Treat the sick, house and feed the poor. Everyone welcome to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't spill out of their backyard and I don't have to watch. For example,

Got asked once how I could support about gay marriage. I said, "What does it matter to me who marries who?" The person, a little flustered replied, "Do you want to see two dudes kissing public?!?" I said, "No, but I'm a Midwesterner. I don't want to see *anyone* kissing in public. What you do at home where I can't see, as long as it isn't hurting anybody, isn't any of my damn business."

Almost never vote strait party line either, although the republicans are made it damn hard to vote for the this last election cycle. I believe that Tom Latham was the only one I did, mostly because Boswell was getting weird in his old age.

/ And Representative King and most of North Western Iowa need a strong lecture about  removing the plank in their own eye before complaining about the splinter in others.
// Likely over green bean salad and pork chops.
/// Depends who bring what in covered dishes.
 
2013-07-25 12:20:33 PM  
Who the feds think they are:

www.the-frame.com

Who the Feds really are:

www.wildsound.ca
 
2013-07-25 12:21:51 PM  
Obama, I realize you are a politician.  But seriously, fark you for your BS doublespeak on things like medical marijuana and closing gitmo.
 
2013-07-25 12:25:14 PM  
www.theblindcard.com

Explains a lot .. "

 
2013-07-25 12:26:24 PM  
Such a farking waste of money.  It kills me that the same Supreme Court that just struck down part of the VRA on the basis of "state's rights" still condones this kind of crap when it comes to drugs.  Hell, Justice Thomas wrote the opinion where he blessed the feds arresting people for weed possession, even if they were in compliance with state medical marijuana law.  Crazy how "states rights" suddenly isn't so important when it comes to a state enacting a policy that the conservative justices disagree with.
 
2013-07-25 12:31:54 PM  

Mock26: Silly state legislators.  You cannot pass a state law that overrides a federal law, even a stupid one.


States rights?

/troll on
 
2013-07-25 12:32:36 PM  
I'm pretty familiar with how things work here in Colorado. This being the first raid I've heard about in Washington... I have to say there is something more to this.

Especially with them seizing employee cell phones rather than business computers.  My guess is the employee's were undercutting and shipping across state lines somehow.  This is pretty common in the industry.  Not always the best pool of employees to draw from.  It makes me think the owners are probably dirtbags too.
 
2013-07-25 12:33:02 PM  
Supposedly had been a two year investigation. Could be they broke tax laws or other some such. Hopefully, there are few if any type investigations that have started recently. Doing so can only backfire, public opinion is trending towards legal weed, and these actions, they make no sense.
 
2013-07-25 12:39:32 PM  
scottydoesntknow: "yet the DEA is breaking down people's doors in states where it's legalized"

I believe the actual promise was "we're not going to screw with places that are obeying State law." I've yet to hear about one of these cases where the dispensary was actually above-board. Now, I'm all for saying they need to prove this shiat in court. And I'll rail against current drugs laws, seizure laws and the swat-ification of police departments and the entire para-military DEA abomination alongside you.

But that doesn't mean every dispensary that claims to be on the up-and-up is necessarily so. They're innocent until proven guilty -- but the potential for illegal operation doesn't go away just because legal operation is possible.

I mean, bars and liquor stores get raided. (Sometimes wrongly, sometimes justifiably.)
So there's simply *always* going to be some story about regulators shutting down dispensaries, even if marijuana is legalized federally.

Again, ideally it will never involve some amped-up bully rushing out of an armored personnel carrier with a carbine to stand on an innocent kid's neck -- nor prohibition laws twisted to allow police departments to seize anything and everything for profit.

But (sane) raids will still happen. They still need to be able to happen.
 
2013-07-25 12:44:43 PM  
ER visits for conditions attributable to marijuana, alone? 0
Calls to Poison Control Centers re: marijuana, alone? 0 (plenty of quality control calls, e.g., 'can I smoke it if it smells like pee?')
Deaths, attributable to marijuana, alone? 0

Estimated number of deaths, annually, from Aspirin, alone? ~10,000

Estimated percentage of all illegal `drug' imports seized (1971 - 10%/ 2011 - 10%).  One can conclude that Federal/State/local law enforcers, as regards `some drugs' suppression/eradication have been serving as no more than Price Support Subsidy Agents for the majority of the producers/distributors - merely weeding out the inefficient/stupid/unlucky - assisting in providing an enormous untaxed revenue stream to TBTF banks for laundering (estimated that ~ 1 trillion has been so funneled into legitimacy)   That some states are pushing against the tide (defense lawyers to private prisons pushing the other way) is laudable - hell, they even have Clarence Thomas on their side (Gonzalez v. Raich - `founders would never have considered such overreach').  So long as the soccer mom/bible beater crowd pretty much mirrors Nixon's take:   http://www.csdp.org/news/news/nixon.htm  it's still going to be a long road.

However, I'd suggest a ditch weed seed collective - broacast seeds/plant the shiat on the property of every elected official/cop available (in State's that haven't come up to speed) - check back at the end of growing season and find out what is still standing/where.  Call the cops and the media for amusement value (correctly targeted this is more interesting than nullification - stuff is a weed ALL should feel paranoid).  Any County Assessor Site with GIS will reveal good potentials.

/abuse of what? You, citizen
 
2013-07-25 12:46:35 PM  

manimal2878: I think this should actually be made part of all jury instructions.


You can be arrested and imprisoned for educating jurors on nullification. Link.
 
2013-07-25 12:51:16 PM  

Casey Anthony: Stop ingesting natural herbs like pot and kratom to ease your pain. Instead, buy our synthetic chemical pills.


I don't know if I was doing it wrong, but I was recommended kratom for opiate withdrawal and honestly, I never puked so violently in my life.  I've never been sicker than when ingesting kratom.
 
2013-07-25 12:51:33 PM  

Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?


So, if you're being serious here, I'll assume that you opposed any sort of penalties that affected the Executives of BP after the Deepwater Horizon accident? After all, you can't reasonably expect them to personally oversee all 85,700 employees. Same for Wall Street Execs after the economic collapse - there are just so many employees to try to keep track of !
 
2013-07-25 12:51:38 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?

Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.


That's why I only get sensimilla.  Seeds hurt like a motherfarker when they get lodged in your veins.
 
2013-07-25 12:54:55 PM  

MrJesus: [cdn.meme.li image 300x300]

This is the guy you have to thank for this, not Obama.

fark this guy.


If only he had to answer to someone for his actions.....
 
2013-07-25 12:59:54 PM  

radarlove: scottydoesntknow: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?

Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.

That's why I only get sensimilla.  Seeds hurt like a motherfarker when they get lodged in your veins.


From the Spanish: "sin" = "without" "semilla" = "seeds"
 
2013-07-25 01:02:06 PM  

offmymeds: radarlove: scottydoesntknow: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?

Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.

That's why I only get sensimilla.  Seeds hurt like a motherfarker when they get lodged in your veins.

From the Spanish: "sin" = "without" "semilla" = "seeds"


Correct.
 
2013-07-25 01:05:51 PM  
I ever tell you guys about the time I sold Helen Hunt a bag of weed?

25.media.tumblr.com

Never again, dude.  Never again.

/explains a lot about Mad About You
 
2013-07-25 01:09:13 PM  

BigNumber12: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

So, if you're being serious here, I'll assume that you opposed any sort of penalties that affected the Executives of BP after the Deepwater Horizon accident? After all, you can't reasonably expect them to personally oversee all 85,700 employees. Same for Wall Street Execs after the economic collapse - there are just so many employees to try to keep track of !


I get your point, but think that's a bit apples and orangey.  Oil companies do seem to have a top-down attitude of fighting against as much regulation as possible, as well as taking as little responsibility as they can get away with for their environmental impact, especially when they have a spill.  The culture of the company (or government) can be seen in a top-down sort of way.  As for the Wall Street collapse.....that's a bit more clear cut.  It's SOP to lie, cheat and steal.  The CEO's of the major banks are the tip of that spear.

As for Obama's culpability.....He hasn't set the tone or moved the needle at all. It's not a priority for him.  I haven't heard him say much of anything on the drug war, save the few platitudes others have already mentioned here.  So it's just sort of business as usual for the DEA.  I don't recall W or Clinton saying much on the issue either, and the DEA seems to be doing the same occaisional raids.  There doesn't seem to be an attitude of zealous interdiction being shown from the Obama administration, nor does there seem to be a huge tonal shift in the other direction.  It doesn't seem to be a big issue at the highest eschelons of government, so the DEA just does what it does.  Picks low hanging fruit, suits up in its super badass armor, and busts heads with impunity when the spirit moves them.
 
2013-07-25 01:10:52 PM  

cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]


First, I would like the war on drugs to be ended. That said, Pres. Obama can't get Republicans to agree with the healthcare plan that their own think tank outlined. They have delayed his appointments for years and just released their amazing plan to help America: "stop all the President's plans".  And you think he has the  political capital to stop the War on Drugs?

I voted for Pres. Obama twice without regret. I hoped for a change in tone as the 2008 election came and went. The change came in the form of the Republican Party going batshiate crazy.
 
2013-07-25 01:11:09 PM  

radarlove: I ever tell you guys about the time I sold Helen Hunt a bag of weed?

[25.media.tumblr.com image 350x205]

Never again, dude.  Never again.

/explains a lot about Mad About You


Also, this is clearly what happens when we allow women to wear long pants.
 
2013-07-25 01:13:51 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Obama says - quote - "It does not make sense from a prioritization point of view" to focus on drug use in states where it is now legal.


Well, yea, but he only says that around election time.

dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-07-25 01:18:22 PM  

radarlove: offmymeds: radarlove: scottydoesntknow: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?

Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.

That's why I only get sensimilla.  Seeds hurt like a motherfarker when they get lodged in your veins.

From the Spanish: "sin" = "without" "semilla" = "seeds"

Correct.


So how could the seeds...oh wait, I get it.

/slaps forehead
 
2013-07-25 01:22:53 PM  
 
2013-07-25 01:23:30 PM  

offmymeds: radarlove: offmymeds: radarlove: scottydoesntknow: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?

Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.

That's why I only get sensimilla.  Seeds hurt like a motherfarker when they get lodged in your veins.

From the Spanish: "sin" = "without" "semilla" = "seeds"

Correct.

So how could the seeds...oh wait, I get it.

/slaps forehead


*sniffle*  It's okay, you're just another victim of that terrible, satanic plant.  Curse you, devil-weed, and all the destruction you've wrought!

I'll pray for you.  ;-)
 
2013-07-25 01:25:39 PM  

Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?


This IS solely at Obama's feet.

All of those people work for the executive branch.  All US Attorneys serve "at the pleasure of the President" which means that Obama has the authority to fire any of them who ignore his instructions to have these raids stopped.  How many has he fired?

Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.

So yes, this IS Obama's fault - and the fault of EVERY President since Nixon signed the controlled substances act.
 
2013-07-25 01:32:18 PM  

teenytinycornteeth: Casey Anthony: Stop ingesting natural herbs like pot and kratom to ease your pain. Instead, buy our synthetic chemical pills.

I don't know if I was doing it wrong, but I was recommended kratom for opiate withdrawal and honestly, I never puked so violently in my life.  I've never been sicker than when ingesting kratom.


That sucks. I've only experienced pleasant effects. It may have been a bad brand. I recommend 'Captain Kratom'. I do take a much smaller dosage than most people who use it. Rumor is it will be illegal soon. Thanks, Big Pharma.
 
2013-07-25 01:36:30 PM  

DarkVader: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

This IS solely at Obama's feet.

All of those people work for the executive branch.  All US Attorneys serve "at the pleasure of the President" which means that Obama has the authority to fire any of them who ignore his instructions to have these raids stopped.  How many has he fired?

Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.

So yes, this IS Obama's fault - and the fault of EVERY President since Nixon signed the controlled substances act.


The federal government, according to ths US Office of Personnel Management, employs 4.4 million people.  Obama is personally responsible for all of them.  There are about 31.5 million seconds in a year....so that gives Obama on the average 7 seconds per year on each one.  This assumes he never sleeps, or does anything else.  I'm thinking these raids happened some time other than the 7 seconds he could devote to the performance review of this handful of DEA agents in the greater Sea-Tac area.
 
2013-07-25 01:39:23 PM  

Konowalchuk22: As for Obama's culpability.....He hasn't set the tone or moved the needle at all. It's not a priority for him.  I haven't heard him say much of anything on the drug war, save the few platitudes others have already mentioned here.  So it's just sort of business as usual for the DEA.  I don't recall W or Clinton saying much on the issue either, and the DEA seems to be doing the same occaisional raids.  There doesn't seem to be an attitude of zealous interdiction being shown from the Obama administration, nor does there seem to be a huge tonal shift in the other direction.  It doesn't seem to be a big issue at the highest eschelons of government, so the DEA just does what it does.  Picks low hanging fruit, suits up in its super badass armor, and busts heads with impunity when the spirit moves them.


And yet all he would need to say is "don't do that anymore," to one person, and the entire DEA would stop. I just don't understand giving the guy a pass because it's a "large" agency. Obama has complete control over them. If they're continuing in these raids, they have at least his tacit approval, if not explicit.
 
2013-07-25 01:41:04 PM  

Casey Anthony: Stop ingesting natural herbs like pot and kratom to ease your pain. Instead, buy our synthetic chemical pills.


Cyanide is natural too, as is arsenic.  "Natural" is a meaningless descriptor when applied to the relative safety of a compound.

/Yes, pot is no worse than alcohol and should be legal.
 
2013-07-25 01:41:44 PM  

BullBearMS: Konowalchuk22: As for Obama's culpability.....He hasn't set the tone or moved the needle at all. It's not a priority for him. I haven't heard him say much of anything on the drug war, save the few platitudes others have already mentioned here.

Oh really?

Back when he was running for president in 2008, Barack Obama insisted that medical marijuana was an issue best left to state and local governments. "I'm not going to be using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue," he vowed, promising an end to the Bush administration's high-profile raids on providers of medical pot, which is legal in 16 states and the District of Columbia.

But over the past year, the Obama administration has quietly unleashed a multiagency crackdown on medical cannabis that goes far beyond anything undertaken by George W. Bush. The feds are busting growers who operate in full compliance with state laws, vowing to seize the property of anyone who dares to even rent to legal pot dispensaries, and threatening to imprison state employees responsible for regulating medical marijuana. With more than 100 raids on pot dispensaries during his first three years, Obama is now on pace to exceed Bush's record for medical-marijuana busts. "There's no question that Obama's the worst president on medical marijuana," says Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project. "He's gone from first to worst."



This as well. These raids aren't anomalies happening beyond Obama's control. He's being quite consistent in shoring up Federal power.
 
2013-07-25 01:45:12 PM  

Konowalchuk22: The federal government, according to ths US Office of Personnel Management, employs 4.4 million people. Obama is personally responsible for all of them. There are about 31.5 million seconds in a year....so that gives Obama on the average 7 seconds per year on each one. This assumes he never sleeps, or does anything else


Come on. Now you're just being disingenuous.
 
2013-07-25 01:46:24 PM  

Konowalchuk22: DarkVader: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

This IS solely at Obama's feet.

All of those people work for the executive branch.  All US Attorneys serve "at the pleasure of the President" which means that Obama has the authority to fire any of them who ignore his instructions to have these raids stopped.  How many has he fired?

Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.

So yes, this IS Obama's fault - and the fault of EVERY President since Nixon signed the controlled substances act.

The federal government, according to ths US Office of Personnel Management, employs 4.4 million people.  Obama is personally responsible for all of them.  There are about 31.5 million seconds in a year....so that gives Obama on the average 7 seconds per year on each one.  This assumes he never sleeps, or does anything else.  I'm thinking these raids happened some time other than the 7 seconds he could devote to the performance review of this handful of DEA agents in the greater Sea-Tac area.


That's a whole lot of completely useless math.

Obama to head of DEA: "Stop raiding dispensaries in states where it's legal"
Head of DEA: "Ok, sorry boss."
 
2013-07-25 01:51:23 PM  
...and this is how a Supreme Court farked things up royally.

The DEA has no jurisdiction when it comes to an otherwise wild, naturally-occurring plant being cultivated and consumed within the confines of a single state when that state has made it legal to do so. Once the plant crosses the state boarder, it becomes an interstate commerce issue.

Any impartial SCOTUS would have found that to be the case, but when you pack the court with biased business buddies, you get idiotic decisions that reveal their bias to anyone with any interest in constitutional law.
 
2013-07-25 01:55:53 PM  

BigNumber12: These raids aren't anomalies happening beyond Obama's control. He's being quite consistent in shoring up Federal power.


Entirely correct.

This is a multiagency coordinated attack.
• The Treasury Department has forced banks to close accounts of medical marijuana businesses operating legally under state law.
• The IRS has slapped dispensary owners with taxes required of no other businesses.
• Prosecutors have threatened to seize the property of landlords and jail for renting to marijuana dispensaries.
• The United States attorney in San Diego has indicated she'll start targeting media outlets that run dispensaries' ads.
 
2013-07-25 01:57:01 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Because when I think of pro-marijuana, I think of Republicans.


Exactly.  Because, of course, Republicans are just clamoring to legalize a drug that causes hippies to protest war in hundreds-of-thousands crowds, encourages empathy with others, and obsoletes dozens of pharmaceutical products. :P
 
2013-07-25 01:59:42 PM  

mutterfark: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

First, I would like the war on drugs to be ended. That said, Pres. Obama can't get Republicans to agree with the healthcare plan that their own think tank outlined. They have delayed his appointments for years and just released their amazing plan to help America: "stop all the President's plans".  And you think he has the  political capital to stop the War on Drugs?

I voted for Pres. Obama twice without regret. I hoped for a change in tone as the 2008 election came and went. The change came in the form of the Republican Party going batshiate crazy.


Its funny how the cultists will excuse any and all behavior of their leader when it contradicts what they have invested so much in.

Obama is the head of the executive branch. Holder reports to him and the DOJ gets its marching orders from the WH. Why do you think no one from Wall St was brought up on charges ? Why do you think only low level leakers are the ones being dragged over the coals when connected DC insiders are free to disseminate TOP secret info to the press when it suits the WH ?
 
2013-07-25 02:00:11 PM  

bmwericus: steppenwolf: offmymeds: That was my friend's cousin. He injected 3 drugs of the pot dope and went crazy. The cops had to shoot him to end his pain.

Consider him lucky. My brother's friend's sister was bludgeoned to death by her weed-crazed boyfriend over a pint of Cherry Garcia. They had to identify her by her dental records. :(

How was the ice cream?

My college roomates best friends sister's friends roomate from college ATE the dental records of an entire office when she got stoned the first time - I guess she got a vein with that needle.

 
2013-07-25 02:02:30 PM  

DarkVader: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

This IS solely at Obama's feet.

All of those people work for the executive branch.  All US Attorneys serve "at the pleasure of the President" which means that Obama has the authority to fire any of them who ignore his instructions to have these raids stopped.  How many has he fired?

Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.

So yes, this IS Obama's fault - and the fault of EVERY President since Nixon signed the controlled substances act.


Never underestimate any politician's capacity for pandering to the lowest mouth breather in the crowd, or their willingness to pile up as many bodies as it takes to shore up their flanks.  If Obama wants to stick it to the R's (and I think he's more comfortable in a classroom than in a cage match), he'd order a rescheduling just before the 2014 midterms.  Let the R's scream and pull out Carrie Nation's ax (more big government - we're gonna save you from yourselves! - add it to their list of hypocrictical posing).
Oh, can't forget about cash-pro-quo - considering the flaccid approach to Pharma patrons in ACA... well, there it is.
 
2013-07-25 02:03:12 PM  

bmwericus: steppenwolf: offmymeds: That was my friend's cousin. He injected 3 drugs of the pot dope and went crazy. The cops had to shoot him to end his pain.

Consider him lucky. My brother's friend's sister was bludgeoned to death by her weed-crazed boyfriend over a pint of Cherry Garcia. They had to identify her by her dental records. :(

How was the ice cream?

My college roomates best friends sister's friends roomate from college ATE the dental records of an entire office when she got stoned the first time - I guess she got a vein with that needle.


Isn't that what you're supposed to do with the needle? As opposed to getting an eyeball, lymphnode, testicle or alveoli cluster? Maybe I just don't know enough 'bout the chronic.

I only stick with safe drugs like crack, which is how I messed the my previous post.
 
2013-07-25 02:03:18 PM  

koder: ...and this is how a Supreme Court farked things up royally.

The DEA has no jurisdiction when it comes to an otherwise wild, naturally-occurring plant being cultivated and consumed within the confines of a single state when that state has made it legal to do so. Once the plant crosses the state boarder, it becomes an interstate commerce issue.

Any impartial SCOTUS would have found that to be the case, but when you pack the court with biased business buddies, you get idiotic decisions that reveal their bias to anyone with any interest in constitutional law.


Are we talking about wheat?
 
2013-07-25 02:09:22 PM  

Hermione_Granger: Of all the posts where there actually should have been a "Thanks Obama" this is the one where it got left off?

Geesh, Fark. I can't even count on you to be racist where it's actually non-racist to be racist when it really counts.

Disappointing.


5 posts up thread from yours.
 
2013-07-25 02:14:54 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

Because when I think of pro-marijuana, I think of Republicans. Some Libertarians are pro-marijuana. Most Libertarians are Republicans, however.


He's not the only Republican that supports legalization/decriminalization.
 
2013-07-25 02:20:50 PM  
I'm still liking my idiotic plan I came up with when I mentioned this to a friend the other day.  The governor should call up the WA National Guard and post them guarding dispensaries that are at risk of being raided.  Tell the feds in no uncertain terms that raiding them will be considered an act of war.  Watch the epic pissing match that will ensue.

/I know it wouldn't work, but it would still be awesome to see
//no, I don't use pot myself, but I don't give a damn that other people do as long as they aren't harming/risking harm to others
 
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