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2013-07-25 09:14:24 AM  
I feel so much safer now.
 
2013-07-25 09:28:20 AM  
www.crestock.com
 
2013-07-25 09:43:00 AM  
They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.
 
2013-07-25 09:45:20 AM  

scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.


So fight back.  Spread the word about jury nullification, but don't EVER hint to a judge that you are even aware of it.  I will not have any part in sending someone to prison for possession of a relatively harmless plant.  That's patently absurd.
 
2013-07-25 09:47:41 AM  

nekom: scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.

So fight back.  Spread the word about jury nullification, but don't EVER hint to a judge that you are even aware of it.  I will not have any part in sending someone to prison for possession of a relatively harmless plant.  That's patently absurd.


Ohhh no sorry, I think you misread that. I meant the DEA is fighting a losing battle.
 
2013-07-25 09:49:10 AM  
scottydoesntknow:
Ohhh no sorry, I think you misread that. I meant the DEA is fighting a losing battle.

No, I knew you meant that.  My point is everyone should be aware that if you're on a jury, you don't HAVE to convict even if guilt is obvious.  No judge will ever tell you this, and you'll be excused if you even hint that you know it, but it's your right if you believe the law is wrong.
 
2013-07-25 10:44:55 AM  
Of all the posts where there actually should have been a "Thanks Obama" this is the one where it got left off?

Geesh, Fark. I can't even count on you to be racist where it's actually non-racist to be racist when it really counts.

Disappointing.
 
2013-07-25 10:45:14 AM  
What a joke, farking wasting everyone's money and ruining lives.
 
2013-07-25 10:45:30 AM  
Our King is running out of time to finally do 1 of the 2 good things he actually stands for.
 
2013-07-25 10:47:11 AM  
Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-07-25 10:47:17 AM  
my Google-fu is weak today.  I know that in Colorado, part of the tax money from sales went to a fund for the Attorney General to 1) sue the fed and 2) protect anyone tried by the fed.  Was something similar put on the books in Washington?
 
2013-07-25 10:48:29 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Of all the posts where there actually should have been a "Thanks Obama" this is the one where it got left off?


the sarcastic change we can believe in post seemed to cover it...
 
2013-07-25 10:48:48 AM  
Dicks.
 
2013-07-25 10:49:00 AM  
Stop ingesting natural herbs like pot and kratom to ease your pain. Instead, buy our synthetic chemical pills.
 
2013-07-25 10:49:10 AM  
We'll fix this problem once the boomers go away.
//I would never use drugs of any kind, and I can see how retarded neo-prohibition is.
 
2013-07-25 10:49:35 AM  
never trust the government, also nice placement of the vapirise ad
 
2013-07-25 10:50:03 AM  

nekom: I feel so much safer now.


The butthurt was pretty epic when they interviewed one of the dealers, I mean proprietors.
 
2013-07-25 10:50:17 AM  

cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]


Because when I think of pro-marijuana, I think of Republicans. Some Libertarians are pro-marijuana. Most Libertarians are Republicans, however.
 
2013-07-25 10:50:50 AM  
Considering the vast number of dispensaries that haven't been raided, I'm expecting something more to come out of this -- were they importing from Mexican cartels, perhaps?
 
2013-07-25 10:51:08 AM  
It's not surprising but it is depressing.
 
2013-07-25 10:51:18 AM  

cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]



That's right. He personally led the raid, then went back in time to the 1930s and lobbied Congress to make marijuana illegal.
 
2013-07-25 10:51:19 AM  

Where wolf: my Google-fu is weak today.  I know that in Colorado, part of the tax money from sales went to a fund for the Attorney General to 1) sue the fed and 2) protect anyone tried by the fed.  Was something similar put on the books in Washington?


That's probably a good idea. They had to know the DEA would be coming in to wave its dick around after passing these laws.
 
2013-07-25 10:51:51 AM  
Dispenseries in California have put up with this for years.  I remember seeing an interview on "Marijuana Inc." where a dispensery owner says that saying how much marijuana he sells would set off a DEA raid.  From what I could tell, the unofficial deal was that you in no way directly stated what you did on federal documentation and you didn't rub the fed's noses in it.

/I bet someone shot off at the mouth
 
2013-07-25 10:51:57 AM  
Silly state legislators.  You cannot pass a state law that overrides a federal law, even a stupid one.
 
2013-07-25 10:52:15 AM  
This isn't going to stop me from buying my weed at the corner store instead of some shady dude come November.
 
2013-07-25 10:52:53 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

Because when I think of pro-marijuana, I think of Republicans. Some Libertarians are pro-marijuana. Most Libertarians are Republicans, however.


William F Buckley was pro legalization all the way back to the early 70's.

I notice nobody appears to have gotten arrested, which actually is change you can believe in.
 
2013-07-25 10:54:01 AM  
State of Washington V. U.S. Federal Government coming to a court room near you.
 
2013-07-25 10:54:42 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

Because when I think of pro-marijuana, I think of Republicans. Some Libertarians are pro-marijuana. Most Libertarians are Republicans, however.


I used to think democrats might have a bit of a sane policy if they got power at the federal level but obviously that isn't the case either. We're all stuck between a tard and a shart place.
 
2013-07-25 10:56:38 AM  

scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.


I feel like I'm hearing more statements like this these days.  "It is inevitable", "Just accept it", "You can never win", "You're a [insert insult here], so why does your opinion matter?", etc.  Why does it sound like people who make arguments like this sound more like super villains than anything else?
 
2013-07-25 10:57:39 AM  
nekom


scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.

So fight back. Spread the word about jury nullification, but don't EVER hint to a judge that you are even aware of it. I will not have any part in sending someone to prison for possession of a relatively harmless plant. That's patently absurd.

An interesting idea, but ultimately not workable.

1- Even coked up fools support the drug laws, once given the power to punish.

2- Most drug "crimes" don't even come to trial. Prosecutors threaten life sentences to scare the $@%% out of people and force them into plea deals.
 
2013-07-25 10:57:48 AM  
Good job, Obama.  You saved the Americas!

Eric Holder gives Mexican Drug cartels guns and then goes after the America drug dealers (though legal as they are).  Obama must have some HSBC stock.
 
2013-07-25 10:58:11 AM  
"agents seized personal cell phones" because fark you, that's why.
 
2013-07-25 10:59:09 AM  

06Wahoo: scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.

I feel like I'm hearing more statements like this these days.  "It is inevitable", "Just accept it", "You can never win", "You're a [insert insult here], so why does your opinion matter?", etc.  Why does it sound like people who make arguments like this sound more like super villains than anything else?



weknowmemes.com
 
2013-07-25 10:59:47 AM  
Meanwhile pills doctors hand out like candy now kill more people than cocaine and heroin combined.

Thank you, officers, for taking such good care of us all.
 
2013-07-25 10:59:50 AM  

06Wahoo: scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.

I feel like I'm hearing more statements like this these days.  "It is inevitable", "Just accept it", "You can never win", "You're a [insert insult here], so why does your opinion matter?", etc.  Why does it sound like people who make arguments like this sound more like super villains than anything else?


Wut?
 
2013-07-25 11:00:42 AM  
Heh, heh, I like their gumption. You have to step on them every once in a while just to keep 'em in line.

//Yes, snark intended.
 
2013-07-25 11:01:08 AM  

Konowalchuk22: "agents seized personal cell phones" because fark you, that's why.


I wonder what for?  The NSA has all that information stored some where already.
 
2013-07-25 11:02:03 AM  

meanmutton: Considering the vast number of dispensaries that haven't been raided, I'm expecting something more to come out of this -- were they importing from Mexican cartels, perhaps?


i1238.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-25 11:02:35 AM  
It all comes down to federal jobs. As long as there are federal law enforcers and for-profit federal prisons, there will be a war on "drugs".

These agencies rely on a federal budget and if suddenly there isn't a need to have officers chasing after the pot smokers, then they lose their budgets and their fat pay cheques. Also, the corporations that sell weapons to these agencies, the corporations who supply the for-profit prisons, etc. lobby to keep the war on drugs going. They don't want to lose their government contracts.

It is all about big business and federal budgets and they don't give a damn about what "we the people" actually want.
 
2013-07-25 11:03:39 AM  

give me doughnuts: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]


That's right. He personally led the raid, then went back in time to the 1930s and lobbied Congress to make marijuana illegal.


He didn't lead the raid, and no one's saying that. He did say there was no reason to focus on states that have it legalized, yet the DEA is knocking breaking down people's doors in states where it's legalized.

Obama says - quote - "It does not make sense from a prioritization point of view" to focus on drug use in states where it is now legal.

They need to get their dogs back on a leash, otherwise it does look hypocritical.
 
2013-07-25 11:04:54 AM  
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2013-07-25 10:50:17 AM


cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

Because when I think of pro-marijuana, I think of Republicans. Some Libertarians are pro-marijuana. Most Libertarians are Republicans, however.
So the answer is to keep voting in democrats that increase penalties for idiotic drug laws.
 
2013-07-25 11:06:20 AM  
So are they making an example out of this one or what? More to come? This doesn't make sense.
 
2013-07-25 11:06:23 AM  

nekom: scottydoesntknow:
Ohhh no sorry, I think you misread that. I meant the DEA is fighting a losing battle.

No, I knew you meant that.  My point is everyone should be aware that if you're on a jury, you don't HAVE to convict even if guilt is obvious.  No judge will ever tell you this, and you'll be excused if you even hint that you know it, but it's your right if you believe the law is wrong.


How often do drug crimes go before a jury? How often do dispensary raids end up before a jury?
 
2013-07-25 11:09:56 AM  
toddlohenry.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-25 11:11:35 AM  
media.katu.com

mrwriteon.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-25 11:15:42 AM  
Apparently everything ISN'T going to be alright!
 
2013-07-25 11:16:30 AM  

06Wahoo: scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.

I feel like I'm hearing more statements like this these days.  "It is inevitable", "Just accept it", "You can never win", "You're a [insert insult here], so why does your opinion matter?", etc.  Why does it sound like people who make arguments like this sound more like super villains than anything else?


Is THAT what it feels like to be on the losing side of history?  Huh.
 
2013-07-25 11:16:47 AM  

SpectroBoy: [yumyum.jpg]   [homer.jpg]


Word
 
2013-07-25 11:18:53 AM  

randomjsa: This doesn't make sense.


yeah, and usually drug laws and enforcement make total sense.
 
2013-07-25 11:20:10 AM  
I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana, but unless these dealers were involved in transporting this stuff directly to another state (interstate commerce) than this is WAY out of line for the Feds, Constitutionally.

But, then again, when was the last time the Constitution really mattered in our society?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-25 11:21:30 AM  
Agents told her the raid was part of a two-year investigation


Five minutes:  Look up law saying marijuana is illegal

Four hours, tops:  Notice that person is selling marijuana openly and publicly.

One year, 364 1/2 days:  Sitting on ass drawing government salary
 
2013-07-25 11:22:14 AM  
The lack of detail and officials silence on justification for the raids is a little disturbing.

Are these dispensaries actually engaging in inter-state sales or are they just being harassed because fark You, We Can?
 
2013-07-25 11:22:51 AM  
The war on drugs right now resembles the war in the pacific after we dropped the two atomic bombs on Japan:

It's OVER, but there are plenty of people out there who are still fighting for their lives who have not gotten the message yet.

The anti pot brigade is in danger of losing funding, and being replaced by not only eliminating their JOBS, but by replacing them with an INCOME STREAM, and let me tell you that that has to Hurt.  Here you have hung your career on being an anti-drug warrior and now the earth crumbles beneath your feet.

We need to feel compassion for the drug warriors, we need to make sure that we can take care of them as they make the transition from Parasite to productive member of society.  I think that some of our income from pot sales should be earmarked for medical and psychological care for former drug warriors - even if we need to get them prosthetic drug sniffing dogs and other crutches to help them adjust to the new world.

If there is one reason for me to hate President Obama it is because he smoked dope as a member of the Choom Gang, and is still able to be a hypocrite on the issue.  If the president still had his balls, he would sack Eric Holder, and use his pen to declassify pot and tell the FDA/DEA, and etc. to SUCK IT.

But he's not got the manhood left.  I'm sorry for him.
 
2013-07-25 11:22:58 AM  
My guess is the ones that were raided stood up to the IRS audits the Feds use to shut down the California dispensaries.
 
2013-07-25 11:23:06 AM  

Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana


how old are you?
 
2013-07-25 11:24:37 AM  

Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana, but unless these dealers were involved in transporting this stuff directly to another state (interstate commerce) than this is WAY out of line for the Feds, Constitutionally.

But, then again, when was the last time the Constitution really mattered in our society?

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Perhaps you should use an image of FDR or Nixon.
 
2013-07-25 11:24:45 AM  

Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?


Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.
 
2013-07-25 11:26:08 AM  

spagunk: Apparently everything ISN'T going to be alright!


+1
 
2013-07-25 11:27:37 AM  

randomjsa: So are they making an example out of this one or what? More to come? This doesn't make sense.


I can't say that I know more on it than what's in the article, but my guess is that the raided dispensaries had some "extra-curricular" activities going on (trafficking to other states, dealing in heavier narcotics, etc.) that were under investigation prior to when Washington state legalized possession of marijuana.  Again, I'm not too knowledgeable on the law, but I figure if there  was a full-blown anti-marijuana move by the feds, there would be a legal movement by the feds to sue the state or strike down the law.
 
2013-07-25 11:27:52 AM  
There has to be more to the story here since the article said this was part of a two year investigation. My guess is that this dispensaries were selling to people without medical cards.
 
2013-07-25 11:28:55 AM  
According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?
 
2013-07-25 11:29:01 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?

Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.


Judging by his profile, I'd say he's anti-legalization because it would cut into his profits.
 
2013-07-25 11:29:59 AM  

OnlyM3: nekom


scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.

So fight back. Spread the word about jury nullification, but don't EVER hint to a judge that you are even aware of it. I will not have any part in sending someone to prison for possession of a relatively harmless plant. That's patently absurd.
An interesting idea, but ultimately not workable.

1- Even coked up fools support the drug laws, once given the power to punish.

2- Most drug "crimes" don't even come to trial. Prosecutors threaten life sentences to scare the $@%% out of people and force them into plea deals.


97% of folks indicted for Federal crimes plea-bargain. Win for the prosecution.
Of the 3% that go to trial, the chance of winning is 1in 212.

/liberty and justice for all
 
2013-07-25 11:33:16 AM  
Good, these low life drug peddlers need to be locked up in Gitmo for putting our children at risk. Everyone knows that one hit of the Devil's Lettuce dooms you to a life of morbid obesity, chronic masturbation, and radical leftism, much like your typical Politics tab poster.
 
2013-07-25 11:33:57 AM  

cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]


Change We Can Believe In??

How about a President we can believe?
 
2013-07-25 11:34:03 AM  

Grimble Crumble: Agents told her the raid was part of a two-year investigation


Five minutes:  Look up law saying marijuana is illegal

Four hours, tops:  Notice that person is selling marijuana openly and publicly.

One year, 364 1/2 days:  Sitting on ass drawing government salary


That's a big part of the reason that I think there must be more to the story than "Oh, look, it's one of the thousands of dispensaries in the US, let's bust it".  If they just wanted to close them all down under Federal law, it really wouldn't take all that much time or effort to close them up.
 
2013-07-25 11:35:10 AM  

Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana


so you think someone smokes some herb, they should go to jail and/or have an arrest record?  why?
 
2013-07-25 11:35:44 AM  

Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?


If he's incapable of running the executive branch, either he isn't capable of being President or the parts he is incapable of running shouldn't exist.

Now I'm happy with his removal and/or eliminating the DEA, but which do you choose?
 
2013-07-25 11:36:17 AM  
I dont even smoke and I'm ready for it to be legal. It would be nice because then my roomates room wont smell like the art teachers office.
 
2013-07-25 11:37:50 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?

Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.


That was my friend's cousin. He injected 3 drugs of the pot dope and went crazy. The cops had to shoot him to end his pain.
 
2013-07-25 11:41:14 AM  

offmymeds: That was my friend's cousin. He injected 3 drugs of the pot dope and went crazy. The cops had to shoot him to end his pain.


Consider him lucky. My brother's friend's sister was bludgeoned to death by her weed-crazed boyfriend over a pint of Cherry Garcia. They had to identify her by her dental records. :(
 
2013-07-25 11:41:25 AM  
cdn.meme.li

This is the guy you have to thank for this, not Obama.

fark this guy.
 
2013-07-25 11:42:40 AM  
You can thank the helpful lobbyists from the pharmaceutical companies and your friendly liquor/adult beverage producers for the continued charade.  Mom is in the final stages of terminal pancreatic cancer, and one of the first things she did was get her medical marijuana card.  The difference it has made is incredible - has extended her time and quality of life.  Thanks Arizona, for having sensible citizens!

/Fark Self-interested lobbyists
/Fark the feds for this short-sigtedness
 
2013-07-25 11:43:15 AM  
And its about damn time!!

The last thing Seattle needs is another stoned hippy on the street.
 
2013-07-25 11:43:52 AM  

groppet: I dont even smoke and I'm ready for it to be legal. It would be nice because then my roomates room wont smell like the art teachers office.


Like legalization would change that. Just saying.
 
2013-07-25 11:44:02 AM  

MrJesus: [cdn.meme.li image 300x300]

This is the guy you have to thank for this, not Obama.

fark this guy.


Damn it, you did it again, Lando!
 
2013-07-25 11:46:50 AM  

OdradekRex: You can thank the helpful lobbyists from the pharmaceutical companies and your friendly liquor/adult beverage producers for the continued charade.  Mom is in the final stages of terminal pancreatic cancer, and one of the first things she did was get her medical marijuana card.  The difference it has made is incredible - has extended her time and quality of life.  Thanks Arizona, for having sensible citizens!

/Fark Self-interested lobbyists
/Fark the feds for this short-sigtedness


Until a few months ago, the majority of American voters thought marijuana should be generally illegal.  You can thank them.
 
2013-07-25 11:47:22 AM  

Obscene_CNN: And its about damn time!!

The last thing Seattle needs is another stoned hippy on the street.


You mean like this guy?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-25 11:49:12 AM  

vbob: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

Change We Can Believe In??

How about a President we can believe?


Going to have to stop voting (D) and (R) to get that.
 
2013-07-25 11:51:28 AM  

MrJesus: [cdn.meme.li image 300x300]

This is the guy you have to thank for this, not Obama.

fark this guy.


While it's true that Eric Holder is a treasonous douche master, I gotta think that Obama could reign him in if he wanted to.
 
2013-07-25 11:51:32 AM  

Where wolf: my Google-fu is weak today.  I know that in Colorado, part of the tax money from sales went to a fund for the Attorney General to 1) sue the fed and 2) protect anyone tried by the fed.  Was something similar put on the books in Washington?


Not sure myself, but I figure with Colorado jumping on to the legalization bandwagon we'll probably have some raids of our own in the near future.  Sucks.  Just stop wasting tax payers money and leave people alone.  I don't smoke anymore but admittedly it is tempting to start again since it's legal(ish) here now.  Unfortunately most employers still drug test for it.
 
2013-07-25 11:53:28 AM  
sooooo let me get this straight...

The Government spent tax dollars for 2 YEARS investigating an open storefront selling marijuana ... 2 years.. it took them to realize "Hey, this pot dispensary is actually selling as advertised, pot"

/WTF
 
2013-07-25 11:53:59 AM  

steppenwolf: offmymeds: That was my friend's cousin. He injected 3 drugs of the pot dope and went crazy. The cops had to shoot him to end his pain.

Consider him lucky. My brother's friend's sister was bludgeoned to death by her weed-crazed boyfriend over a pint of Cherry Garcia. They had to identify her by her dental records. :(


How was the ice cream?

My college roomates best friends sister's friends roomate from college ATE the dental records of an entire office when she got stoned the first time - I guess she got a vein with that needle.

As a consequence, no one in her area could be idenfied with dental records and several deaths from pot went unsolved.
 
2013-07-25 11:55:23 AM  

Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?


If only the Czar knew this was going on!

He could simply give an order to the DEA (the head of which was appointed by him) and his drug czar (ditto) to honor state laws and focus somewhere else.  Including making budget requests based on those decisions.  Unless Congress specifically allocates funds to be used to raid pot dispensaries, he can do that.
 
2013-07-25 11:56:25 AM  
Charlottes Web


In a just world the faithful would be using this story as proof God exists.
 
2013-07-25 11:56:33 AM  

ToastTheRabbit: sooooo let me get this straight...

The Government spent tax dollars for 2 YEARS investigating an open storefront selling marijuana ... 2 years.. it took them to realize "Hey, this pot dispensary is actually selling as advertised, pot"

/WTF


That justifies continued employment for the agents.
 
2013-07-25 11:57:15 AM  
The anti-Drug war machine is too big to fail!  Think about all those out of work employees of the machine! Why do you hate Armenians!
 
2013-07-25 11:57:58 AM  

Gunslinger013: vbob: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

Change We Can Believe In??

How about a President we can believe?

Going to have to stop voting (D) and (R) to get that.


THIS
 
2013-07-25 11:58:18 AM  

Lovesandwich: It all comes down to federal jobs. As long as there are federal law enforcers and for-profit federal prisons, there will be a war on "drugs".

These agencies rely on a federal budget and if suddenly there isn't a need to have officers chasing after the pot smokers, then they lose their budgets and their fat pay cheques. Also, the corporations that sell weapons to these agencies, the corporations who supply the for-profit prisons, etc. lobby to keep the war on drugs going. They don't want to lose their government contracts.

It is all about big business and federal budgets and they don't give a damn about what "we the people" actually want.

-=-
That is it right there. It's like speed cameras for safety, when it's really about the money.

 Now if three fifths of the states legalize marijuana, you would think that would mean that the Senators and HR's of those states would vote to at least decriminalize it. But those that would vote against it, you just have to look at the money trail.
(Probable speculation.)
 
2013-07-25 11:58:42 AM  

Gunslinger013: I gotta think that Obama could reign him in if he wanted to.


He won't Eric Holder is Obama's scape goat.  The blame is always going to be on Holder if Obama tried to reign him in he would get the blame not Holder.
 
2013-07-25 11:59:07 AM  

AeAe: ToastTheRabbit: sooooo let me get this straight...

The Government spent tax dollars for 2 YEARS investigating an open storefront selling marijuana ... 2 years.. it took them to realize "Hey, this pot dispensary is actually selling as advertised, pot"

/WTF

That justifies continued employment for the agents.


Explain to me why the government which is supposed to be working for us, not the other way around, has not be fired?

its not an Obama issue... this has been going on for a loooooooong time
 
2013-07-25 11:59:40 AM  

Gunslinger013: vbob: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

Change We Can Believe In??

How about a President we can believe?

Going to have to stop voting (D) and (R) to get that.


Cause voting anything else really does make a difference amiright?  You too can join the 4% or so that doesn't vote one of the main 2 parties!

Face it, until we have complete, sweeping election reform, including disbandment of all major political parties currently existing, we will not have anything change.
 
2013-07-25 11:59:45 AM  

Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana, but unless these dealers were involved in transporting this stuff directly to another state (interstate commerce) than this is WAY out of line for the Feds, Constitutionally.

But, then again, when was the last time the Constitution really mattered in our society?

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Ding ding ding, we have the Winner
 
2013-07-25 12:01:54 PM  
Good luck getting a jury.
 
2013-07-25 12:02:25 PM  
This is why we need to elect the character "House" into office.
 
2013-07-25 12:02:46 PM  

Gunslinger013: MrJesus: [cdn.meme.li image 300x300]

This is the guy you have to thank for this, not Obama.

fark this guy.

While it's true that Eric Holder is a treasonous douche master, I gotta think that Obama could reign him in if he wanted to.


That Eric Holder really makes you wonder why the founders set up a system where a treasonous douche master like him can just violate laws and waste resources with impunity and there's nothing the President or anyone else can do about it, doesn't it? It's like nobody is Eric Holder's boss.

/oh wait
 
2013-07-25 12:03:23 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: AeAe: ToastTheRabbit: sooooo let me get this straight...

The Government spent tax dollars for 2 YEARS investigating an open storefront selling marijuana ... 2 years.. it took them to realize "Hey, this pot dispensary is actually selling as advertised, pot"

/WTF

That justifies continued employment for the agents.

Explain to me why the government which is supposed to be working for us, not the other way around, has not be fired?

its not an Obama issue... this has been going on for a loooooooong time


I don't have a good answer.  the government is huge and there are people there working all their lives.  They are entrenched in their positions and these people dictate policy.  Maybe it's greed.  Maybe it's protecting your turf.  the system is broken.
 
2013-07-25 12:04:24 PM  

syberpud: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

If only the Czar knew this was going on!

He could simply give an order to the DEA (the head of which was appointed by him) and his drug czar (ditto) to honor state laws and focus somewhere else.  Including making budget requests based on those decisions.  Unless Congress specifically allocates funds to be used to raid pot dispensaries, he can do that.


Sure he could.  I could win the lottery while felating the entire population of Zimbabwe.  But is it likely? or is it likely that a cadre of hammers in the DEA found what appeared to be a nail?  You're looking at it top-down, when it's more than likely mid-level cowboys working with the okay of their still mid-level boss, who probably got the okay from his still mid-level boss.
 
2013-07-25 12:04:26 PM  

bmwericus: How was the ice cream?

My college roomates best friends sister's friends roomate from college ATE the dental records of an entire office when she got stoned the first time - I guess she got a vein with that needle.

As a consequence, no one in her area could be idenfied with dental records and several deaths from pot went unsolved.


I just literally shat myself. Good God, when will the Green Sorrow end?!
 
2013-07-25 12:05:12 PM  

stuffy: Good luck getting a jury.


Maybe they don't need to go to trial.  If the feds grabbed all their stuff, and closed the store, they can let the case fester in the system for years.  They've done what they wanted to at that point and the store is out of business.
 
2013-07-25 12:06:14 PM  

offmymeds: Obscene_CNN: And its about damn time!!

The last thing Seattle needs is another stoned hippy on the street.

You mean like this guy?

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That's not a hippy.  Thats a lazy bum!
 
2013-07-25 12:06:58 PM  

nekom: scottydoesntknow:
Ohhh no sorry, I think you misread that. I meant the DEA is fighting a losing battle.

No, I knew you meant that.  My point is everyone should be aware that if you're on a jury, you don't HAVE to convict even if guilt is obvious.  No judge will ever tell you this, and you'll be excused if you even hint that you know it, but it's your right if you believe the law is wrong.


I think this should actually be made part of all jury instructions.  The whole idea of having a conviction hang on a jury of peers and not by goverment decree alone is so that the citizens can say, nope, we don't agree with this law whether or not the person did what you claim.
 
2013-07-25 12:08:45 PM  

Konowalchuk22: syberpud: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

If only the Czar knew this was going on!

He could simply give an order to the DEA (the head of which was appointed by him) and his drug czar (ditto) to honor state laws and focus somewhere else.  Including making budget requests based on those decisions.  Unless Congress specifically allocates funds to be used to raid pot dispensaries, he can do that.

Sure he could.  I could win the lottery while felating the entire population of Zimbabwe.  But is it likely? or is it likely that a cadre of hammers in the DEA found what appeared to be a nail?  You're looking at it top-down, when it's more than likely mid-level cowboys working with the okay of their still mid-level boss, who probably got the okay from his still mid-level boss.


It's almost like they were following a policy and don't get explicit instructions on how often to take a leak from their bosses.

But their bosses could change their policies.

Sorry, but "government is too big to manage" isn't an excuse for the people that advocate for it to stay that size and volunteered to manage it.
 
2013-07-25 12:12:04 PM  
manimal2878:
I think this should actually be made part of all jury instructions.  The whole idea of having a conviction hang on a jury of peers and not by goverment decree alone is so that the citizens can say, nope, we don't agree with this law whether or not the person did what you claim.

Oh I agree 100%, but no judge would agree.  It's kind of like a secret right we all have, we can't let on that we are aware of its existence or we won't be able to use it, but it IS there.
 
2013-07-25 12:12:41 PM  

manimal2878: nekom: scottydoesntknow:
Ohhh no sorry, I think you misread that. I meant the DEA is fighting a losing battle.

No, I knew you meant that.  My point is everyone should be aware that if you're on a jury, you don't HAVE to convict even if guilt is obvious.  No judge will ever tell you this, and you'll be excused if you even hint that you know it, but it's your right if you believe the law is wrong.

I think this should actually be made part of all jury instructions.  The whole idea of having a conviction hang on a jury of peers and not by goverment decree alone is so that the citizens can say, nope, we don't agree with this law whether or not the person did what you claim.


Yeah, but they're not going to say anything that could lower their conviction rate.
 
2013-07-25 12:13:59 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: This is why we need to elect the character "House" into office.


Why, because it is lupus?
 
2013-07-25 12:16:22 PM  

steppenwolf: Good, these low life drug peddlers need to be locked up in Gitmo for putting our children at risk. Everyone knows that one hit of the Devil's Lettuce dooms you to a life of morbid obesity, chronic masturbation, and radical leftism, much like your typical Politics tab poster.


Wait, I missed out on the smoking weed step?!?

Well and radical leftism. I'm a Midwestern leftist, which puts me fairly towards the center.
Treat the sick, house and feed the poor. Everyone welcome to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't spill out of their backyard and I don't have to watch. For example,

Got asked once how I could support about gay marriage. I said, "What does it matter to me who marries who?" The person, a little flustered replied, "Do you want to see two dudes kissing public?!?" I said, "No, but I'm a Midwesterner. I don't want to see *anyone* kissing in public. What you do at home where I can't see, as long as it isn't hurting anybody, isn't any of my damn business."

Almost never vote strait party line either, although the republicans are made it damn hard to vote for the this last election cycle. I believe that Tom Latham was the only one I did, mostly because Boswell was getting weird in his old age.

/ And Representative King and most of North Western Iowa need a strong lecture about  removing the plank in their own eye before complaining about the splinter in others.
// Likely over green bean salad and pork chops.
/// Depends who bring what in covered dishes.
 
2013-07-25 12:20:33 PM  
Who the feds think they are:

www.the-frame.com

Who the Feds really are:

www.wildsound.ca
 
2013-07-25 12:21:51 PM  
Obama, I realize you are a politician.  But seriously, fark you for your BS doublespeak on things like medical marijuana and closing gitmo.
 
2013-07-25 12:25:14 PM  
www.theblindcard.com

Explains a lot .. "

 
2013-07-25 12:26:24 PM  
Such a farking waste of money.  It kills me that the same Supreme Court that just struck down part of the VRA on the basis of "state's rights" still condones this kind of crap when it comes to drugs.  Hell, Justice Thomas wrote the opinion where he blessed the feds arresting people for weed possession, even if they were in compliance with state medical marijuana law.  Crazy how "states rights" suddenly isn't so important when it comes to a state enacting a policy that the conservative justices disagree with.
 
2013-07-25 12:31:54 PM  

Mock26: Silly state legislators.  You cannot pass a state law that overrides a federal law, even a stupid one.


States rights?

/troll on
 
2013-07-25 12:32:36 PM  
I'm pretty familiar with how things work here in Colorado. This being the first raid I've heard about in Washington... I have to say there is something more to this.

Especially with them seizing employee cell phones rather than business computers.  My guess is the employee's were undercutting and shipping across state lines somehow.  This is pretty common in the industry.  Not always the best pool of employees to draw from.  It makes me think the owners are probably dirtbags too.
 
2013-07-25 12:33:02 PM  
Supposedly had been a two year investigation. Could be they broke tax laws or other some such. Hopefully, there are few if any type investigations that have started recently. Doing so can only backfire, public opinion is trending towards legal weed, and these actions, they make no sense.
 
2013-07-25 12:39:32 PM  
scottydoesntknow: "yet the DEA is breaking down people's doors in states where it's legalized"

I believe the actual promise was "we're not going to screw with places that are obeying State law." I've yet to hear about one of these cases where the dispensary was actually above-board. Now, I'm all for saying they need to prove this shiat in court. And I'll rail against current drugs laws, seizure laws and the swat-ification of police departments and the entire para-military DEA abomination alongside you.

But that doesn't mean every dispensary that claims to be on the up-and-up is necessarily so. They're innocent until proven guilty -- but the potential for illegal operation doesn't go away just because legal operation is possible.

I mean, bars and liquor stores get raided. (Sometimes wrongly, sometimes justifiably.)
So there's simply *always* going to be some story about regulators shutting down dispensaries, even if marijuana is legalized federally.

Again, ideally it will never involve some amped-up bully rushing out of an armored personnel carrier with a carbine to stand on an innocent kid's neck -- nor prohibition laws twisted to allow police departments to seize anything and everything for profit.

But (sane) raids will still happen. They still need to be able to happen.
 
2013-07-25 12:44:43 PM  
ER visits for conditions attributable to marijuana, alone? 0
Calls to Poison Control Centers re: marijuana, alone? 0 (plenty of quality control calls, e.g., 'can I smoke it if it smells like pee?')
Deaths, attributable to marijuana, alone? 0

Estimated number of deaths, annually, from Aspirin, alone? ~10,000

Estimated percentage of all illegal `drug' imports seized (1971 - 10%/ 2011 - 10%).  One can conclude that Federal/State/local law enforcers, as regards `some drugs' suppression/eradication have been serving as no more than Price Support Subsidy Agents for the majority of the producers/distributors - merely weeding out the inefficient/stupid/unlucky - assisting in providing an enormous untaxed revenue stream to TBTF banks for laundering (estimated that ~ 1 trillion has been so funneled into legitimacy)   That some states are pushing against the tide (defense lawyers to private prisons pushing the other way) is laudable - hell, they even have Clarence Thomas on their side (Gonzalez v. Raich - `founders would never have considered such overreach').  So long as the soccer mom/bible beater crowd pretty much mirrors Nixon's take:   http://www.csdp.org/news/news/nixon.htm  it's still going to be a long road.

However, I'd suggest a ditch weed seed collective - broacast seeds/plant the shiat on the property of every elected official/cop available (in State's that haven't come up to speed) - check back at the end of growing season and find out what is still standing/where.  Call the cops and the media for amusement value (correctly targeted this is more interesting than nullification - stuff is a weed ALL should feel paranoid).  Any County Assessor Site with GIS will reveal good potentials.

/abuse of what? You, citizen
 
2013-07-25 12:46:35 PM  

manimal2878: I think this should actually be made part of all jury instructions.


You can be arrested and imprisoned for educating jurors on nullification. Link.
 
2013-07-25 12:51:16 PM  

Casey Anthony: Stop ingesting natural herbs like pot and kratom to ease your pain. Instead, buy our synthetic chemical pills.


I don't know if I was doing it wrong, but I was recommended kratom for opiate withdrawal and honestly, I never puked so violently in my life.  I've never been sicker than when ingesting kratom.
 
2013-07-25 12:51:33 PM  

Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?


So, if you're being serious here, I'll assume that you opposed any sort of penalties that affected the Executives of BP after the Deepwater Horizon accident? After all, you can't reasonably expect them to personally oversee all 85,700 employees. Same for Wall Street Execs after the economic collapse - there are just so many employees to try to keep track of !
 
2013-07-25 12:51:38 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?

Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.


That's why I only get sensimilla.  Seeds hurt like a motherfarker when they get lodged in your veins.
 
2013-07-25 12:54:55 PM  

MrJesus: [cdn.meme.li image 300x300]

This is the guy you have to thank for this, not Obama.

fark this guy.


If only he had to answer to someone for his actions.....
 
2013-07-25 12:59:54 PM  

radarlove: scottydoesntknow: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?

Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.

That's why I only get sensimilla.  Seeds hurt like a motherfarker when they get lodged in your veins.


From the Spanish: "sin" = "without" "semilla" = "seeds"
 
2013-07-25 01:02:06 PM  

offmymeds: radarlove: scottydoesntknow: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?

Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.

That's why I only get sensimilla.  Seeds hurt like a motherfarker when they get lodged in your veins.

From the Spanish: "sin" = "without" "semilla" = "seeds"


Correct.
 
2013-07-25 01:05:51 PM  
I ever tell you guys about the time I sold Helen Hunt a bag of weed?

25.media.tumblr.com

Never again, dude.  Never again.

/explains a lot about Mad About You
 
2013-07-25 01:09:13 PM  

BigNumber12: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

So, if you're being serious here, I'll assume that you opposed any sort of penalties that affected the Executives of BP after the Deepwater Horizon accident? After all, you can't reasonably expect them to personally oversee all 85,700 employees. Same for Wall Street Execs after the economic collapse - there are just so many employees to try to keep track of !


I get your point, but think that's a bit apples and orangey.  Oil companies do seem to have a top-down attitude of fighting against as much regulation as possible, as well as taking as little responsibility as they can get away with for their environmental impact, especially when they have a spill.  The culture of the company (or government) can be seen in a top-down sort of way.  As for the Wall Street collapse.....that's a bit more clear cut.  It's SOP to lie, cheat and steal.  The CEO's of the major banks are the tip of that spear.

As for Obama's culpability.....He hasn't set the tone or moved the needle at all. It's not a priority for him.  I haven't heard him say much of anything on the drug war, save the few platitudes others have already mentioned here.  So it's just sort of business as usual for the DEA.  I don't recall W or Clinton saying much on the issue either, and the DEA seems to be doing the same occaisional raids.  There doesn't seem to be an attitude of zealous interdiction being shown from the Obama administration, nor does there seem to be a huge tonal shift in the other direction.  It doesn't seem to be a big issue at the highest eschelons of government, so the DEA just does what it does.  Picks low hanging fruit, suits up in its super badass armor, and busts heads with impunity when the spirit moves them.
 
2013-07-25 01:10:52 PM  

cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]


First, I would like the war on drugs to be ended. That said, Pres. Obama can't get Republicans to agree with the healthcare plan that their own think tank outlined. They have delayed his appointments for years and just released their amazing plan to help America: "stop all the President's plans".  And you think he has the  political capital to stop the War on Drugs?

I voted for Pres. Obama twice without regret. I hoped for a change in tone as the 2008 election came and went. The change came in the form of the Republican Party going batshiate crazy.
 
2013-07-25 01:11:09 PM  

radarlove: I ever tell you guys about the time I sold Helen Hunt a bag of weed?

[25.media.tumblr.com image 350x205]

Never again, dude.  Never again.

/explains a lot about Mad About You


Also, this is clearly what happens when we allow women to wear long pants.
 
2013-07-25 01:13:51 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Obama says - quote - "It does not make sense from a prioritization point of view" to focus on drug use in states where it is now legal.


Well, yea, but he only says that around election time.

dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-07-25 01:18:22 PM  

radarlove: offmymeds: radarlove: scottydoesntknow: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?

Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.

That's why I only get sensimilla.  Seeds hurt like a motherfarker when they get lodged in your veins.

From the Spanish: "sin" = "without" "semilla" = "seeds"

Correct.


So how could the seeds...oh wait, I get it.

/slaps forehead
 
2013-07-25 01:22:53 PM  
 
2013-07-25 01:23:30 PM  

offmymeds: radarlove: offmymeds: radarlove: scottydoesntknow: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?

Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.

That's why I only get sensimilla.  Seeds hurt like a motherfarker when they get lodged in your veins.

From the Spanish: "sin" = "without" "semilla" = "seeds"

Correct.

So how could the seeds...oh wait, I get it.

/slaps forehead


*sniffle*  It's okay, you're just another victim of that terrible, satanic plant.  Curse you, devil-weed, and all the destruction you've wrought!

I'll pray for you.  ;-)
 
2013-07-25 01:25:39 PM  

Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?


This IS solely at Obama's feet.

All of those people work for the executive branch.  All US Attorneys serve "at the pleasure of the President" which means that Obama has the authority to fire any of them who ignore his instructions to have these raids stopped.  How many has he fired?

Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.

So yes, this IS Obama's fault - and the fault of EVERY President since Nixon signed the controlled substances act.
 
2013-07-25 01:32:18 PM  

teenytinycornteeth: Casey Anthony: Stop ingesting natural herbs like pot and kratom to ease your pain. Instead, buy our synthetic chemical pills.

I don't know if I was doing it wrong, but I was recommended kratom for opiate withdrawal and honestly, I never puked so violently in my life.  I've never been sicker than when ingesting kratom.


That sucks. I've only experienced pleasant effects. It may have been a bad brand. I recommend 'Captain Kratom'. I do take a much smaller dosage than most people who use it. Rumor is it will be illegal soon. Thanks, Big Pharma.
 
2013-07-25 01:36:30 PM  

DarkVader: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

This IS solely at Obama's feet.

All of those people work for the executive branch.  All US Attorneys serve "at the pleasure of the President" which means that Obama has the authority to fire any of them who ignore his instructions to have these raids stopped.  How many has he fired?

Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.

So yes, this IS Obama's fault - and the fault of EVERY President since Nixon signed the controlled substances act.


The federal government, according to ths US Office of Personnel Management, employs 4.4 million people.  Obama is personally responsible for all of them.  There are about 31.5 million seconds in a year....so that gives Obama on the average 7 seconds per year on each one.  This assumes he never sleeps, or does anything else.  I'm thinking these raids happened some time other than the 7 seconds he could devote to the performance review of this handful of DEA agents in the greater Sea-Tac area.
 
2013-07-25 01:39:23 PM  

Konowalchuk22: As for Obama's culpability.....He hasn't set the tone or moved the needle at all. It's not a priority for him.  I haven't heard him say much of anything on the drug war, save the few platitudes others have already mentioned here.  So it's just sort of business as usual for the DEA.  I don't recall W or Clinton saying much on the issue either, and the DEA seems to be doing the same occaisional raids.  There doesn't seem to be an attitude of zealous interdiction being shown from the Obama administration, nor does there seem to be a huge tonal shift in the other direction.  It doesn't seem to be a big issue at the highest eschelons of government, so the DEA just does what it does.  Picks low hanging fruit, suits up in its super badass armor, and busts heads with impunity when the spirit moves them.


And yet all he would need to say is "don't do that anymore," to one person, and the entire DEA would stop. I just don't understand giving the guy a pass because it's a "large" agency. Obama has complete control over them. If they're continuing in these raids, they have at least his tacit approval, if not explicit.
 
2013-07-25 01:41:04 PM  

Casey Anthony: Stop ingesting natural herbs like pot and kratom to ease your pain. Instead, buy our synthetic chemical pills.


Cyanide is natural too, as is arsenic.  "Natural" is a meaningless descriptor when applied to the relative safety of a compound.

/Yes, pot is no worse than alcohol and should be legal.
 
2013-07-25 01:41:44 PM  

BullBearMS: Konowalchuk22: As for Obama's culpability.....He hasn't set the tone or moved the needle at all. It's not a priority for him. I haven't heard him say much of anything on the drug war, save the few platitudes others have already mentioned here.

Oh really?

Back when he was running for president in 2008, Barack Obama insisted that medical marijuana was an issue best left to state and local governments. "I'm not going to be using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue," he vowed, promising an end to the Bush administration's high-profile raids on providers of medical pot, which is legal in 16 states and the District of Columbia.

But over the past year, the Obama administration has quietly unleashed a multiagency crackdown on medical cannabis that goes far beyond anything undertaken by George W. Bush. The feds are busting growers who operate in full compliance with state laws, vowing to seize the property of anyone who dares to even rent to legal pot dispensaries, and threatening to imprison state employees responsible for regulating medical marijuana. With more than 100 raids on pot dispensaries during his first three years, Obama is now on pace to exceed Bush's record for medical-marijuana busts. "There's no question that Obama's the worst president on medical marijuana," says Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project. "He's gone from first to worst."



This as well. These raids aren't anomalies happening beyond Obama's control. He's being quite consistent in shoring up Federal power.
 
2013-07-25 01:45:12 PM  

Konowalchuk22: The federal government, according to ths US Office of Personnel Management, employs 4.4 million people. Obama is personally responsible for all of them. There are about 31.5 million seconds in a year....so that gives Obama on the average 7 seconds per year on each one. This assumes he never sleeps, or does anything else


Come on. Now you're just being disingenuous.
 
2013-07-25 01:46:24 PM  

Konowalchuk22: DarkVader: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

This IS solely at Obama's feet.

All of those people work for the executive branch.  All US Attorneys serve "at the pleasure of the President" which means that Obama has the authority to fire any of them who ignore his instructions to have these raids stopped.  How many has he fired?

Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.

So yes, this IS Obama's fault - and the fault of EVERY President since Nixon signed the controlled substances act.

The federal government, according to ths US Office of Personnel Management, employs 4.4 million people.  Obama is personally responsible for all of them.  There are about 31.5 million seconds in a year....so that gives Obama on the average 7 seconds per year on each one.  This assumes he never sleeps, or does anything else.  I'm thinking these raids happened some time other than the 7 seconds he could devote to the performance review of this handful of DEA agents in the greater Sea-Tac area.


That's a whole lot of completely useless math.

Obama to head of DEA: "Stop raiding dispensaries in states where it's legal"
Head of DEA: "Ok, sorry boss."
 
2013-07-25 01:51:23 PM  
...and this is how a Supreme Court farked things up royally.

The DEA has no jurisdiction when it comes to an otherwise wild, naturally-occurring plant being cultivated and consumed within the confines of a single state when that state has made it legal to do so. Once the plant crosses the state boarder, it becomes an interstate commerce issue.

Any impartial SCOTUS would have found that to be the case, but when you pack the court with biased business buddies, you get idiotic decisions that reveal their bias to anyone with any interest in constitutional law.
 
2013-07-25 01:55:53 PM  

BigNumber12: These raids aren't anomalies happening beyond Obama's control. He's being quite consistent in shoring up Federal power.


Entirely correct.

This is a multiagency coordinated attack.
• The Treasury Department has forced banks to close accounts of medical marijuana businesses operating legally under state law.
• The IRS has slapped dispensary owners with taxes required of no other businesses.
• Prosecutors have threatened to seize the property of landlords and jail for renting to marijuana dispensaries.
• The United States attorney in San Diego has indicated she'll start targeting media outlets that run dispensaries' ads.
 
2013-07-25 01:57:01 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Because when I think of pro-marijuana, I think of Republicans.


Exactly.  Because, of course, Republicans are just clamoring to legalize a drug that causes hippies to protest war in hundreds-of-thousands crowds, encourages empathy with others, and obsoletes dozens of pharmaceutical products. :P
 
2013-07-25 01:59:42 PM  

mutterfark: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

First, I would like the war on drugs to be ended. That said, Pres. Obama can't get Republicans to agree with the healthcare plan that their own think tank outlined. They have delayed his appointments for years and just released their amazing plan to help America: "stop all the President's plans".  And you think he has the  political capital to stop the War on Drugs?

I voted for Pres. Obama twice without regret. I hoped for a change in tone as the 2008 election came and went. The change came in the form of the Republican Party going batshiate crazy.


Its funny how the cultists will excuse any and all behavior of their leader when it contradicts what they have invested so much in.

Obama is the head of the executive branch. Holder reports to him and the DOJ gets its marching orders from the WH. Why do you think no one from Wall St was brought up on charges ? Why do you think only low level leakers are the ones being dragged over the coals when connected DC insiders are free to disseminate TOP secret info to the press when it suits the WH ?
 
2013-07-25 02:00:11 PM  

bmwericus: steppenwolf: offmymeds: That was my friend's cousin. He injected 3 drugs of the pot dope and went crazy. The cops had to shoot him to end his pain.

Consider him lucky. My brother's friend's sister was bludgeoned to death by her weed-crazed boyfriend over a pint of Cherry Garcia. They had to identify her by her dental records. :(

How was the ice cream?

My college roomates best friends sister's friends roomate from college ATE the dental records of an entire office when she got stoned the first time - I guess she got a vein with that needle.

 
2013-07-25 02:02:30 PM  

DarkVader: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

This IS solely at Obama's feet.

All of those people work for the executive branch.  All US Attorneys serve "at the pleasure of the President" which means that Obama has the authority to fire any of them who ignore his instructions to have these raids stopped.  How many has he fired?

Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.

So yes, this IS Obama's fault - and the fault of EVERY President since Nixon signed the controlled substances act.


Never underestimate any politician's capacity for pandering to the lowest mouth breather in the crowd, or their willingness to pile up as many bodies as it takes to shore up their flanks.  If Obama wants to stick it to the R's (and I think he's more comfortable in a classroom than in a cage match), he'd order a rescheduling just before the 2014 midterms.  Let the R's scream and pull out Carrie Nation's ax (more big government - we're gonna save you from yourselves! - add it to their list of hypocrictical posing).
Oh, can't forget about cash-pro-quo - considering the flaccid approach to Pharma patrons in ACA... well, there it is.
 
2013-07-25 02:03:12 PM  

bmwericus: steppenwolf: offmymeds: That was my friend's cousin. He injected 3 drugs of the pot dope and went crazy. The cops had to shoot him to end his pain.

Consider him lucky. My brother's friend's sister was bludgeoned to death by her weed-crazed boyfriend over a pint of Cherry Garcia. They had to identify her by her dental records. :(

How was the ice cream?

My college roomates best friends sister's friends roomate from college ATE the dental records of an entire office when she got stoned the first time - I guess she got a vein with that needle.


Isn't that what you're supposed to do with the needle? As opposed to getting an eyeball, lymphnode, testicle or alveoli cluster? Maybe I just don't know enough 'bout the chronic.

I only stick with safe drugs like crack, which is how I messed the my previous post.
 
2013-07-25 02:03:18 PM  

koder: ...and this is how a Supreme Court farked things up royally.

The DEA has no jurisdiction when it comes to an otherwise wild, naturally-occurring plant being cultivated and consumed within the confines of a single state when that state has made it legal to do so. Once the plant crosses the state boarder, it becomes an interstate commerce issue.

Any impartial SCOTUS would have found that to be the case, but when you pack the court with biased business buddies, you get idiotic decisions that reveal their bias to anyone with any interest in constitutional law.


Are we talking about wheat?
 
2013-07-25 02:09:22 PM  

Hermione_Granger: Of all the posts where there actually should have been a "Thanks Obama" this is the one where it got left off?

Geesh, Fark. I can't even count on you to be racist where it's actually non-racist to be racist when it really counts.

Disappointing.


5 posts up thread from yours.
 
2013-07-25 02:14:54 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

Because when I think of pro-marijuana, I think of Republicans. Some Libertarians are pro-marijuana. Most Libertarians are Republicans, however.


He's not the only Republican that supports legalization/decriminalization.
 
2013-07-25 02:20:50 PM  
I'm still liking my idiotic plan I came up with when I mentioned this to a friend the other day.  The governor should call up the WA National Guard and post them guarding dispensaries that are at risk of being raided.  Tell the feds in no uncertain terms that raiding them will be considered an act of war.  Watch the epic pissing match that will ensue.

/I know it wouldn't work, but it would still be awesome to see
//no, I don't use pot myself, but I don't give a damn that other people do as long as they aren't harming/risking harm to others
 
PJ-
2013-07-25 02:28:40 PM  
I dated a heavy anti-marijuana lady once, which was quite funny to my friends because when I was dating her, I was smoking about 1/8 oz a day (from 4:30 pm till about 10:30pm after getting home from work).  What really blew her and her friends away, is that they never pegged me to be a marijuana smoker, she never asked me, I never told her.  Well, after dating for a month or two, word got out that not only did I like to smoke, I was chronic.  She was yelling and screaming the whole time about how i deceived her and how I lied to her, but her best friend was the best, just a priceless reaction.

It went on for about 30 minutes of the same line of questioning

her:'You smoke weed?'
me:'that's right'
h: 'You?'
m: 'me'
h:  'I would never have thought you smoked weed!'
m:  'well, I do.'

Then a few minutes would pass, then she would ask the same questions again.  Apparently, her friend now dabbles a bit in marijuana, and has come to realize that you have to know your limits.  I'm just one of the lucky ones that can blaze a pile of weed and still be functional.  I'll never forget the time where I blazed a spliff with a buddy then drove back to my place, he asked me about an hour after we got to my place 'how did we get here?  I mean, we smoked that spliff, but that was on the other side of town.'  'Yea, I drove us, took us about 10 minutes on the highway...'  'You drove us?  I don't even remember the car ride.'
 
2013-07-25 02:31:07 PM  

Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana, but unless these dealers were involved in transporting this stuff directly to another state (interstate commerce) than this is WAY out of line for the Feds, Constitutionally.

But, then again, when was the last time the Constitution really mattered in our society?

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Fun fact. Even though we are "legal" we still have idiots growing out of state and transporting up here. My local dispensary was out of product at the end of the week because their guy got busted going across the Oregon/Washington border with his "legal" medicine.

It also appears some of these dispensaries aren't sticking to the program of medical patients only until the board gets the real recreational rules in place.
 
2013-07-25 02:35:49 PM  
MythDragon:

Isn't that what you're supposed to do with the needle? As opposed to getting an eyeball, lymphnode, testicle or alveoli cluster? Maybe I just don't know enough 'bout the chronic.

I only stick with safe drugs like crack, which is how I messed the my previous post.


I just skin pop the pot man - it's easier to get the stems back out when you scratch...

Just be careful with that crack man, if you snort it - well, buddy of mine told me about his older brothers girlfriend whose oldest brother snorted some and man, it took a CO2 fire extinguisher to put out his head.  You got to be careful with the drugs man, you really do.

Be safe out there!
 
2013-07-25 02:37:23 PM  

Pixel_Jockey: There has to be more to the story here since the article said this was part of a two year investigation. My guess is that this dispensaries were selling to people without medical cards.


Um, no.  There doesn't have to be more to the story.

Federal law trumps State law.  The Feds originally had stated they wouldn't put forth the effort to enforce in states where it was legalized but they changed their tune and did what they did in Wyoming.
 
2013-07-25 02:44:44 PM  

BullBearMS: BigNumber12: These raids aren't anomalies happening beyond Obama's control. He's being quite consistent in shoring up Federal power.

Entirely correct.

This is a multiagency coordinated attack.
• The Treasury Department has forced banks to close accounts of medical marijuana businesses operating legally under state law.
• The IRS has slapped dispensary owners with taxes required of no other businesses.
• Prosecutors have threatened to seize the property of landlords and jail for renting to marijuana dispensaries.
• The United States attorney in San Diego has indicated she'll start targeting media outlets that run dispensaries' ads.


I can only speak to the irs tax item.

At the federal level, it is against tax law to deduct expenses from an enterprise that performs any illegal action.

IOW, you have can have no federal deductions what so ever. Hence the unsual burdensome taxes.

*speculation powers activate! Form of hyperbole; shape of DERP!*

As for the banks.... knowingly processing transactions for an illegal enterprise is technically money laundering. Also, technically banks cant knowingly lend money to an illegal enterprise. To enforce any agreement they would have to confess to financing an illegal enterprise which might run them afoul of RICO.

*speculation powers deactivate*

Until a federal law addressing these or a court ruling or a reclassification of marijuana (it is currently classified more dangerous than heroin), it will continue.

The feds will avoid any changes on their end for as long as possible.
 
2013-07-25 02:53:39 PM  

Lor M. Ipsum: scottydoesntknow: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana

how old are you?

Go easy on him. He lost a cousin to marijuana injections. One needle and he died.

Judging by his profile, I'd say he's anti-legalization because it would cut into his profits.


Dude, check his last name again.  He doesn't have to worry about profits.  He's pulling down Inigo trust fund money!
i1197.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-25 03:01:04 PM  

06Wahoo: scottydoesntknow: They're fighting a losing battle, and they know it.

I feel like I'm hearing more statements like this these days.  "It is inevitable", "Just accept it", "You can never win", "You're a [insert insult here], so why does your opinion matter?", etc.  Why does it sound like people who make arguments like this sound more like super villains than anything else?


Or rapists.

I think it's mostly the aging boomer population that is both old&tired of fighting for their own political opinions and has been far more successful than their parents at suppressing the next generations' political wills.

But it's never just one thing.
 
2013-07-25 03:01:06 PM  

radarlove: That's why I only get sensimilla.  Seeds hurt like a motherfarker when they get lodged in your veins.

From the Spanish: "sin" = "without" "semilla" = "seeds"

Correct.

So how could the seeds...oh wait, I get it.

/slaps forehead

*sniffle*  It's okay, you're just another victim of that terrible, satanic plant.  Curse you, devil-weed, and all the destruction you've wrought!

I'll pray for you.  ;-)


lol

Thanks. I don't want to end up like this guy.
 
2013-07-25 03:16:50 PM  
I don't see how anyone could look at the facts and not conclude that Obama is flat-out liar on this issue.
 
PJ-
2013-07-25 03:35:31 PM  

Churchill2004: I don't see how anyone could look at the facts and not conclude that Obama is flat-out liar on this issue.


A politician that lies?  Say it ain't so!
 
2013-07-25 03:55:12 PM  
a.abcnews.com

"That could have been me in 35 years."
 
2013-07-25 03:58:30 PM  

BigNumber12: Konowalchuk22: The federal government, according to ths US Office of Personnel Management, employs 4.4 million people. Obama is personally responsible for all of them. There are about 31.5 million seconds in a year....so that gives Obama on the average 7 seconds per year on each one. This assumes he never sleeps, or does anything else

Come on. Now you're just being disingenuous.


There are a lot of people in the federal government, but generally they all take orders.  It's a big game of "telephone"...like what happened to orchestrate 9/11
 
2013-07-25 04:03:32 PM  

steppenwolf: Good, these low life drug peddlers need to be locked up in Gitmo for putting our children at risk. Everyone knows that one hit of the Devil's Lettuce dooms you to a life of morbid obesity, chronic masturbation, and radical leftism, much like your typical Politics tab poster.


Oh, now that's just ridiculous. Listen to yourself! That's unadulterated bullshiat and you know it. Your argument has no basis in truth, and yet you come on here spouting this crap.  Every decent gardner knows lettuce couldn't grow in a hot climate like Hell. It would wilt even if you did get it to grow, but it's certainly not going to grow if the only source of "liquid" is the lake of fire. Duh.
 
2013-07-25 04:06:51 PM  
Medical marijuana dispensary raided in Washington?

It's pretty obvious, isn't it?

Obama doesn't care about white people.
 
2013-07-25 04:07:35 PM  
Ok, fark it.  Impeach him.

Said he wasnt going to do it, did it anyways. farkit, I give up.  Feed him to the republicans and be done with it.
 
2013-07-25 04:30:18 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: manimal2878: I think this should actually be made part of all jury instructions.

You can be arrested and imprisoned for educating jurors on nullification. Link.


Not really.  According to that wiki, it seems like most of the arrests happen if you try to do your educating in the courthouse to jurors already seated.
 
2013-07-25 04:38:47 PM  

DarkVader: Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.


I could be wrong, but I think the schedule is statutory, meaning Congress would have to change it.

But, you're right, the selective raids are purely at Obama's feet.
 
2013-07-25 04:41:21 PM  

manimal2878: WhoopAssWayne: manimal2878: I think this should actually be made part of all jury instructions.

You can be arrested and imprisoned for educating jurors on nullification. Link.

Not really.  According to that wiki, it seems like most of the arrests happen if you try to do your educating in the courthouse to jurors already seated.


You should look into the Heiklen case a bit more then. He wasn't jury tampering. He was just handing out flyers.
 
2013-07-25 04:51:14 PM  
You pot smoking hippies are a scary bunch.

s24.postimg.org

"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you take your weed and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." ... "They've got a big target on there,  ATF DEA. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of biatches"
s22.postimg.org

/Am I doing it right?
 
2013-07-25 04:59:22 PM  

meanmutton: Considering the vast number of dispensaries that haven't been raided, I'm expecting something more to come out of this -- were they importing from Mexican cartels, perhaps?


I read an article that said the seizures were the result of an investigation begun last year.  The shops were affiliated, and I suspect that they were not following legal guidelines and the Feds wanted to make sure the other dispensaries mind their actions.  This has nothing to do with the Feds ignoring State law, and likely has more to do with the Feds enforcing state law through federal means.  Still an utter waste of time.
 
2013-07-25 05:25:56 PM  

jigger: DarkVader: Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.

I could be wrong, but I think the schedule is statutory, meaning Congress would have to change it.

But, you're right, the selective raids are purely at Obama's feet.


Marijuana, scientifically speaking, has never met the criteria to be considered a Schedule 1 drug.  You or I could petition the DEA to have marijuana rescheduled.  However, I don't have the cash to create a super-duper next generation exemplar of the Schedule 3 PATENTED Marinol (THC in a pill!!!!).  Any prez. could work the flourish through FDA to DEA tunneling/arm twisting.  Can't outright legalize without Congress owing to U.S. being signatory to updated Single Convention Treaty (some allies already biatching about States not being chastised by Federal military for their temerity - nothing I'd worry about - would like to hear the howls of producer nations if we were to legalize all drugs of abuse and sell OTC, to adults, at cost (increased manufacturing jobs - cull population of those who - by their own hand - retire from the target pool).
 
2013-07-25 05:40:15 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Good job, Obama.  You saved the Americas!

Eric Holder gives Mexican Drug cartels guns and then goes after the America drug dealers (though legal as they are).  Obama must have some HSBC stock.


Holder's ass should have canned after that fiasco. Why he's still there, I can't even begin to imagine.
 
2013-07-25 05:40:57 PM  

Pharmdawg: Mock26: Silly state legislators.  You cannot pass a state law that overrides a federal law, even a stupid one.

States rights?

/troll on


States Rights cannot supersede federal law or the Constitution.  What part of that do you not understand?
 
2013-07-25 05:46:43 PM  
This already happened in San Diego County - our president's response was to simply dodge all related questions and sweep it under the rug. Obama is just another piece of shiat politician.
 
2013-07-25 05:51:11 PM  

Pharmdawg: Mock26: Silly state legislators.  You cannot pass a state law that overrides a federal law, even a stupid one.

States rights?

/troll on


United States Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2:
    "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

Supreme Court of the United States of America, Altria Group v. Good, United States Reporting Number 555 U.S. 70, 2008:
    "Consistent with that command, we have long recognized that state laws that conflict with federal law are "without effect." Maryland v. Louisiana, 451 U. S. 725, 746 (1981)"

/Not troll.
//Fact of law
 
2013-07-25 05:52:37 PM  

offmymeds: Holder's ass should have been canned after that fiasco. Why he's still there, I can't even begin to imagine.


FTFM
 
2013-07-25 05:53:13 PM  

Pharmdawg: Mock26: Silly state legislators.  You cannot pass a state law that overrides a federal law, even a stupid one.

States rights?

/troll on


PS  The term you are looking for is Federal Preemption.
 
2013-07-25 05:55:18 PM  

kindms: mutterfark: cman: [www.crestock.com image 473x497]

First, I would like the war on drugs to be ended. That said, Pres. Obama can't get Republicans to agree with the healthcare plan that their own think tank outlined. They have delayed his appointments for years and just released their amazing plan to help America: "stop all the President's plans".  And you think he has the  political capital to stop the War on Drugs?

I voted for Pres. Obama twice without regret. I hoped for a change in tone as the 2008 election came and went. The change came in the form of the Republican Party going batshiate crazy.

Its funny how the cultists will excuse any and all behavior of their leader when it contradicts what they have invested so much in.

Obama is the head of the executive branch. Holder reports to him and the DOJ gets its marching orders from the WH. Why do you think no one from Wall St was brought up on charges ? Why do you think only low level leakers are the ones being dragged over the coals when connected DC insiders are free to disseminate TOP secret info to the press when it suits the WH ?


Cultists? Was it the "without regret" that gets me that label? Should I regret voting "sane" over the candidates the GOP offered?
 
2013-07-25 05:55:47 PM  
ya know, i appreciate the medicinal value however, i'm more of a recreational consumer.
How many of you lied to get a card to get easy access to the drug?

we need to legalize it period, none of this medicinal crap, it's a farking cigarette. the medicinal would just be the bonus.

re: the federal raids;
I could see them (DEA) getting upset if a grower/seller were selling it to the masses without checking for the proper documentation (i.e. medical cards) maybe these raids were related to the farking pot heads abusing the legality? i didn't RTFA so i am unsure.

Lets all cray moar and  blame President Obama for everything wrong with America today, you bunch of sorry sacks of puke, unlike most people I have a heart goddammit.  It's illegal at a farking federal level!!! WHAAAA the DEA  is enforcing federal regulations and laws!!! wha!!!! pull you head out of your farking ass.
 
2013-07-25 06:21:54 PM  

Mock26: Pharmdawg: Mock26: Silly state legislators.  You cannot pass a state law that overrides a federal law, even a stupid one.

States rights?

/troll on

States Rights cannot supersede federal law or the Constitution.  What part of that do you not understand?


The part where federal law means taking away drugs from cancer patients who are in horrific amounts of pain and misery.

I'd love it if the governor there (not sure who he/she is) had the balls/vulva to put state troopers in SWAT gear around the dispensaries just to watch over the places.
 
2013-07-25 06:27:18 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Konowalchuk22: DarkVader: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

This IS solely at Obama's feet.

All of those people work for the executive branch.  All US Attorneys serve "at the pleasure of the President" which means that Obama has the authority to fire any of them who ignore his instructions to have these raids stopped.  How many has he fired?

Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.

So yes, this IS Obama's fault - and the fault of EVERY President since Nixon signed the controlled substances act.

The federal government, according to ths US Office of Personnel Management, employs 4.4 million people.  Obama is personally responsible for all of them.  There are about 31.5 million seconds in a year....so that gives Obama on the average 7 seconds per year on each one.  This assumes he never sleeps, or does anything else.  I'm thinking these raids happened some time other than the 7 seconds he could devote to the performance review of this handful of DEA agents in the greater Sea-Tac area.

That's a whole lot of completely useless math.

Obama to head of DEA: "Stop raiding dispensaries in states where it's legal"
Head of DEA: "Ok, sorry boss."


1)  The purpose of the executive branch is to enforce the law.  As long as the law is on the books, refusing to enforce the law would be grounds for impeachment.

2)  This might surprise you, but sometimes dispensaries don't follow state law to the letter.  Which means that even if the dispensary is legal under state law, that doesn't mean that everything going on their is legal.

The profit margin on legal dispensaries is actually very poor, which means that a lot of dispensaries will sell on the black market.  Given that there was a 2 year investigation, this was likely the case.
 
2013-07-25 06:27:37 PM  

groppet: I dont even smoke and I'm ready for it to be legal. It would be nice because then my roomates room wont smell like the art teachers office.


This man is wise.

/had a roommate that loooooooooved to smoke weed
//we share central air
///douchebaggery abounded.
 
2013-07-25 06:28:37 PM  

schrodinger: scottydoesntknow: Konowalchuk22: DarkVader: Konowalchuk22: According to the amazingly reliable and accurate wikipedia, the DEA has over 10,000 employees.  For those of you putting this solely at Obama's feet, are you really that confident he's personally overseeing all 10,000 of these people?  If so, how does he find the time to do this AND tell every single employee of the IRS how to do their jobs?

This IS solely at Obama's feet.

All of those people work for the executive branch.  All US Attorneys serve "at the pleasure of the President" which means that Obama has the authority to fire any of them who ignore his instructions to have these raids stopped.  How many has he fired?

Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.

So yes, this IS Obama's fault - and the fault of EVERY President since Nixon signed the controlled substances act.

The federal government, according to ths US Office of Personnel Management, employs 4.4 million people.  Obama is personally responsible for all of them.  There are about 31.5 million seconds in a year....so that gives Obama on the average 7 seconds per year on each one.  This assumes he never sleeps, or does anything else.  I'm thinking these raids happened some time other than the 7 seconds he could devote to the performance review of this handful of DEA agents in the greater Sea-Tac area.

That's a whole lot of completely useless math.

Obama to head of DEA: "Stop raiding dispensaries in states where it's legal"
Head of DEA: "Ok, sorry boss."

1)  The purpose of the executive branch is to enforce the law.  As long as the law is on the books, refusing to enforce the law would be grounds for impeachment.


Tell that to the Cherokee while holding a picture of Andrew Jackson.
 
2013-07-25 06:37:33 PM  

jigger: DarkVader: Additionally, marijuana is illegal at the federal level because of its scheduled drug classification.  The DEA controls that schedule.  The head of the DEA serves "at the pleasure of the President".  That means that with an executive order to the DEA, marijuana could go from schedule I to unscheduled, and therefore legal.

I could be wrong, but I think the schedule is statutory, meaning Congress would have to change it.

But, you're right, the selective raids are purely at Obama's feet.


Correct.

I am all for legalization. I also think the federal laws will change sooner if they are enforced and issues come to a head.

Go forth Obama, seize all the weed, and get people upset enough to enact change. Only with the help of republicans can drug laws change. Let them think a vote for legalization is a vote against Obama, imo :)
 
2013-07-25 06:43:56 PM  

Marine1: Mock26: Pharmdawg: Mock26: Silly state legislators.  You cannot pass a state law that overrides a federal law, even a stupid one.

States rights?

/troll on

States Rights cannot supersede federal law or the Constitution.  What part of that do you not understand?

The part where federal law means taking away drugs from cancer patients who are in horrific amounts of pain and misery.

I'd love it if the governor there (not sure who he/she is) had the balls/vulva to put state troopers in SWAT gear around the dispensaries just to watch over the places.


Cops would be idiots to go against the feds in this way.

It is a nice sentiment but I wonder how many who wish the state police to risk arrest are similarly willing to put their own freedom on the line? I know I don't care enough about pot to do so.
 
2013-07-25 06:49:40 PM  

Smackledorfer: Marine1: Mock26: Pharmdawg: Mock26: Silly state legislators.  You cannot pass a state law that overrides a federal law, even a stupid one.

States rights?

/troll on

States Rights cannot supersede federal law or the Constitution.  What part of that do you not understand?

The part where federal law means taking away drugs from cancer patients who are in horrific amounts of pain and misery.

I'd love it if the governor there (not sure who he/she is) had the balls/vulva to put state troopers in SWAT gear around the dispensaries just to watch over the places.

Cops would be idiots to go against the feds in this way.

It is a nice sentiment but I wonder how many who wish the state police to risk arrest are similarly willing to put their own freedom on the line? I know I don't care enough about pot to do so.


Or they can stand by and let the ill suffer.

We all have to make choices. Some are tougher than others.
 
2013-07-25 07:00:08 PM  
Too bad they didn't call the police and report an armed robbery in progress.
 
2013-07-25 07:02:58 PM  

Marine1: Smackledorfer: Marine1: Mock26: Pharmdawg: Mock26: Silly state legislators.  You cannot pass a state law that overrides a federal law, even a stupid one.

States rights?

/troll on

States Rights cannot supersede federal law or the Constitution.  What part of that do you not understand?

The part where federal law means taking away drugs from cancer patients who are in horrific amounts of pain and misery.

I'd love it if the governor there (not sure who he/she is) had the balls/vulva to put state troopers in SWAT gear around the dispensaries just to watch over the places.

Cops would be idiots to go against the feds in this way.

It is a nice sentiment but I wonder how many who wish the state police to risk arrest are similarly willing to put their own freedom on the line? I know I don't care enough about pot to do so.

Or they can stand by and let the ill suffer.

We all have to make choices. Some are tougher than others.


What makes a cop any more responsible to violate federal law than you or I?

I know it makes you feel nice and ethical to say cops should what's right and so forth, but I bet you would hate cops doing what they thought was right in situations that you didn't agree with.

Do you have an argument besides 'cops should do what I tell them because my personal ethics are above reproach' to explain what makes marijuana laws a special scenario in which state police officers should interefere with federal investigations?
 
2013-07-25 07:54:22 PM  

Marine1: Mock26: Pharmdawg: Mock26: Silly state legislators.  You cannot pass a state law that overrides a federal law, even a stupid one.

States rights?

/troll on

States Rights cannot supersede federal law or the Constitution.  What part of that do you not understand?

The part where federal law means taking away drugs from cancer patients who are in horrific amounts of pain and misery.

I'd love it if the governor there (not sure who he/she is) had the balls/vulva to put state troopers in SWAT gear around the dispensaries just to watch over the places.


There suffering is irrelevant (to the my comments).  I was just pointing out that state law cannot preempt federal laws, even, as I pointed out upthread, stupid laws.
 
2013-07-25 07:55:54 PM  

Mock26: Marine1: Mock26: Pharmdawg: Mock26: Silly state legislators.  You cannot pass a state law that overrides a federal law, even a stupid one.

States rights?

/troll on

States Rights cannot supersede federal law or the Constitution.  What part of that do you not understand?

The part where federal law means taking away drugs from cancer patients who are in horrific amounts of pain and misery.

I'd love it if the governor there (not sure who he/she is) had the balls/vulva to put state troopers in SWAT gear around the dispensaries just to watch over the places.

Their suffering is irrelevant (to the my comments).  I was just pointing out that state law cannot preempt federal laws, even, as I pointed out upthread, stupid laws.


Fixed that for myself.
 
2013-07-25 08:14:45 PM  
If only Eric Holder had a boss, maybe the head of his branch or something.
 
2013-07-25 09:34:55 PM  
Just based on my recollection, it seems like over all, the number of raids on dispensaries are way down.
 
2013-07-25 09:51:58 PM  
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

How brain dead do you need to be to not have seen this coming?
 
2013-07-25 10:54:06 PM  

nekom: scottydoesntknow:
Ohhh no sorry, I think you misread that. I meant the DEA is fighting a losing battle.

No, I knew you meant that.  My point is everyone should be aware that if you're on a jury, you don't HAVE to convict even if guilt is obvious.  No judge will ever tell you this, and you'll be excused if you even hint that you know it, but it's your right if you believe the law is wrong.


Can a defense attorney bring up the subject of jury nullification?

Just curious.
 
2013-07-25 11:30:54 PM  

Frederick: Just based on my recollection, it seems like over all, the number of raids on dispensaries are way down.



Compared to what?

Obey Wan has been harder on Medical MJ that BushBaby ever was.

i1121.photobucket.com

This isn't about the ganja - the farking Feds don't give a shiat about weed (well, except that it keeps the cartels running and killing and the prisons full) these are the ASSHATS of the Fourth Centralized Authoritarian Reich, and they do this to biatchslap the uppity States and remind the serfs who's in charge.
 
2013-07-25 11:32:44 PM  
My guess is they were growing more than they were allowed to and selling it somewhere other than the dispensary, like out on the street or more likely out of state.
 
2013-07-26 12:14:16 AM  

ds615: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

How brain dead do you need to be to not have seen this coming?


Well, the raids aren't too surprising, but there's nothing really funny about it at all.
 
2013-07-26 02:20:55 AM  

Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuanaS0ls 
how old are you?


To be fair I was all for legalizing weed up to the point that I voted to decriminalize it.  This was until I realized that after decriminalizing it in Colorado you can't go anywhere public without smelling the nasty crap.  Go to the park smell weed.  Ride the train smell weed.  There is nowhere other than my home that I can go without smelling it.  I'm 32 clearly in the right age group to be ok with it and I would be if they didn't feel the need to constantly smoke it in public even where cigarette smoking is banned.
 
2013-07-26 02:42:58 AM  

Sweet Zombi Jesus: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuanaS0ls
how old are you?

To be fair I was all for legalizing weed up to the point that I voted to decriminalize it.  This was until I realized that after decriminalizing it in Colorado you can't go anywhere public without smelling the nasty crap.  Go to the park smell weed.  Ride the train smell weed.  There is nowhere other than my home that I can go without smelling it.  I'm 32 clearly in the right age group to be ok with it and I would be if they didn't feel the need to constantly smoke it in public even where cigarette smoking is banned.



The cravings must be horrific.
 
2013-07-26 02:53:45 AM  

Sweet Zombi Jesus: Headso: Faith Logic Passion: I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuanaS0ls 
how old are you?

To be fair I was all for legalizing weed up to the point that I voted to decriminalize it.  This was until I realized that after decriminalizing it in Colorado you can't go anywhere public without smelling the nasty crap.  Go to the park smell weed.  Ride the train smell weed.  There is nowhere other than my home that I can go without smelling it.  I'm 32 clearly in the right age group to be ok with it and I would be if they didn't feel the need to constantly smoke it in public even where cigarette smoking is banned.


The horror.
 
2013-07-26 03:11:25 AM  

Sweet Zombi Jesus: There is nowhere other than my home that I can go without smelling it.


You sure do live in a lot hipper part of town than I do.
 
2013-07-26 04:34:34 AM  

Mock26: What part of that do you not understand?


Guess you never read the Constitution.

The constitution does not grant the Federal Government the ability to ban plants nor control what I put in my body.

Which means it's up to the states or the people.

Perhaps you should try reading the document you're trying to talk about, before talking about it.
 
drp
2013-07-26 06:23:54 AM  

offmymeds: Holder's ass should have been canned after that fiasco. Why he's still there, I can't even begin to imagine.


Why would Obama have fired him?  That "fiasco" was working exactly as intended, to "prove" that the Mexican cartels were getting their guns from gun shops in the US, and that more regulation of guns in the US was needed.

Obama can't very well fire him for doing the job he told him to do.
 
2013-07-26 08:55:07 AM  

Skarekrough: Pixel_Jockey: There has to be more to the story here since the article said this was part of a two year investigation. My guess is that this dispensaries were selling to people without medical cards.

Um, no.  There doesn't have to be more to the story.

Federal law trumps State law.  The Feds originally had stated they wouldn't put forth the effort to enforce in states where it was legalized but they changed their tune and did what they did in Wyoming.


Yeah, you're probably right that there doesn't have to be more to the story.  http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2016775063_marijuana16m.html
 
2013-07-26 11:20:02 AM  

khyberkitsune: Mock26: What part of that do you not understand?

Guess you never read the Constitution.

The constitution does not grant the Federal Government the ability to ban plants nor control what I put in my body.

Which means it's up to the states or the people.

Perhaps you should try reading the document you're trying to talk about, before talking about it.


Oh look, someone confusing the constitution with the articles of confederation. Or at least ignoring the supreme court.
 
2013-07-26 11:38:31 AM  
Man, this sure sounds like somebody elses problem.  Yay!
 
2013-07-26 12:04:28 PM  

khyberkitsune: Mock26: What part of that do you not understand?

Guess you never read the Constitution.

The constitution does not grant the Federal Government the ability to ban plants nor control what I put in my body.

Which means it's up to the states or the people.

Perhaps you should try reading the document you're trying to talk about, before talking about it.


Oh really?  Care to quote the relevant part of the Constitution?
 
2013-07-26 12:22:41 PM  

Mock26: khyberkitsune: Mock26: What part of that do you not understand?

Guess you never read the Constitution.

The constitution does not grant the Federal Government the ability to ban plants nor control what I put in my body.

Which means it's up to the states or the people.

Perhaps you should try reading the document you're trying to talk about, before talking about it.

Oh really?  Care to quote the relevant part of the Constitution?


Some people get frustrated over the prohibition of marijuana and use the "but the Feds have no right to tell me what I can or can't put in my body" line of reasoning to express their anger. It's not a stupid thing to do, it's just a way of dealing with their own inability to change things. I sometimes find myself doing this exact same thing, and when I'm through I realize how silly I must sound. My wife just rolls her eyes, shrugs her shoulders and walks away when I start ranting like that.
 
2013-07-26 01:22:36 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: AeAe: ToastTheRabbit: sooooo let me get this straight...

The Government spent tax dollars for 2 YEARS investigating an open storefront selling marijuana ... 2 years.. it took them to realize "Hey, this pot dispensary is actually selling as advertised, pot"

/WTF

That justifies continued employment for the agents.

Explain to me why the government which is supposed to be working for us, not the other way around, has not be fired?

its not an Obama issue... this has been going on for a loooooooong time


Welcome to the conscious world. I am both glad and sad that you had to wake up.
 
2013-07-26 02:33:57 PM  
you keep voting in the shiatbirds who fark you over
I have to assume yer in full support
or else you would change your choice
 
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