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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Bonnie Hammer would like you to know she doesn't have horns because she's Jewish, she has horns because she's the evil demon from the pits of Hell who cancelled Farscape, MST3K, and every other good show on the Sci-Fi channel   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 89
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2013-07-25 09:16:10 AM
DAMN YOU!
 
2013-07-25 09:41:29 AM
i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-25 09:50:37 AM
There are so many valid reasons to hate her, and some douche had to go there.
 
2013-07-25 10:31:47 AM
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-25 10:39:22 AM
Growing up in a Jewish family in New York, NBCUniversal Cable Entertainment chairman Bonnie Hammer never had issues with prejudice -- until she took a college trip to Kansas.

Yeah, well that was your first mistake.
 
2013-07-25 10:40:06 AM
who cancelled  MST3K

I'll be starting a Kickstarter campaign to build a time machine to kill this woman's mother before she's born.

/not really doing that, don't arrest me
 
2013-07-25 11:02:47 AM
I blame Sacha Baron Cohen.

Throw the Jew down the well
 
2013-07-25 11:03:51 AM

Mugato: who cancelled  MST3K

I'll be starting a Kickstarter campaign to build a time machine to kill this woman's mother before she's born.

/not really doing that, don't arrest me


It's okay.  Bonnie Hammer is so evil she falls under the Time Police Hitler Protection Act, so we all know it's just a wistful dream.

/Did I just Godwin a thread about a SyFy channel exec defending against antisemitism?  I think I did.
 
2013-07-25 11:06:26 AM
But those who are involved with Characters Unite are optimistic that its message will become universal.

If there's anybody I'd expect optimism from, it's anybody who thinks people are watching USA original programming.
 
2013-07-25 11:08:24 AM

EyeballKid: But those who are involved with Characters Unite are optimistic that its message will become universal.

If there's anybody I'd expect optimism from, it's anybody who thinks people are watching USA original programming.


I like White Collar.
 
2013-07-25 11:12:04 AM
She cancelled MST3K?!

hlep i cant tyype all i can se is the colr red is tihs the submit buton on my phone or 911
 
2013-07-25 11:12:48 AM

Mugato: who cancelled  MST3K

I'll be starting a Kickstarter campaign to build a time machine to kill this woman's mother before she's born.

/not really doing that, don't arrest me


Can we borrow the one from BBC America and just lock her in a cupboard?
 
2013-07-25 11:13:13 AM

Trocadero: EyeballKid: But those who are involved with Characters Unite are optimistic that its message will become universal.

If there's anybody I'd expect optimism from, it's anybody who thinks people are watching USA original programming.

I like White Collar.


And Psych is still good.

But they don't exactly have anything to replace Psych with as their good show when it ends next year, and Bonnie is Siffying USA by adding hours of reality programming to the schedule instead of good shows.
 
2013-07-25 11:13:53 AM
So why doesn't she throw some of the love from the USA channel over to the SciFi channel?

/sheds tear for Warehouse, Eureka, Farscape, etc

Trocadero:.

I like White Collar.


Royal Pains/Necessary Roughness night is my new guilty pleasure since last summer.
There, I said it.
 
2013-07-25 11:32:55 AM
I wonder how many people online going on and on about Sharknado have also criticized SyFy cancelling "real" science-fiction programming.

Because, you do realize that the success of Sharknado really serves as a validation of SyFy's programming decisions, don't you?
 
2013-07-25 11:40:32 AM

johnnieconnie: /sheds tear for Warehouse, Eureka, Farscape, etc


At least Haven hasn't been canceled yet.
 
2013-07-25 11:41:01 AM
Probably somebodies poor taste joke in response to a New Yorkers comment about how uncultured they were.
 
2013-07-25 11:42:25 AM
This person is an idiot. Like many dipshiat executives who have ruined all that is good with America she based her crappy reasoning off pure profit and farking "shareholders". There's no compromise with these idiots; their MBAs dictate their lives but they know nothing about the business they manage.

She's an example of the class that destroyed the American dream. And she's a moron.
 
2013-07-25 11:44:27 AM

johnnieconnie: So why doesn't she throw some of the love from the USA channel over to the SciFi channel?

/sheds tear for Warehouse, Eureka, Farscape, etc


Wait when did Warehouse get the ax?  AWWWWW sonofa.
 
2013-07-25 11:44:57 AM
Seriously, you really faced intolerance being Jewish?  Someone needs to learn when people are joking with them. What a moron.
 
2013-07-25 11:45:57 AM
Also, I hope her bag of jew gold gets stolen.
 
2013-07-25 11:47:00 AM
Didn't she brag about not being a sci-fi fan when she took over the Sci-Fi channel? Said something about a fresh pair of eyes, new directions, so excited,  typical corporate-speak for "I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm in charge so I'm right."

So now, instead of FTL Newsfeed, we get wrestling.

Such a disappointment.
 
2013-07-25 11:49:02 AM

Saiga410: johnnieconnie: So why doesn't she throw some of the love from the USA channel over to the SciFi channel?

/sheds tear for Warehouse, Eureka, Farscape, etc

Wait when did Warehouse get the ax?  AWWWWW sonofa.


Earlier this year they announced that they were going to finish up this season and then end the series with a half a season next year. That show was the last reason I watch the syfylis channel ever. Lost Girl and Continuum I can get from torrents the day before they air on syfylis since they're actually Canadian shows.
 
2013-07-25 11:51:49 AM

Saiga410: johnnieconnie: So why doesn't she throw some of the love from the USA channel over to the SciFi channel?

/sheds tear for Warehouse, Eureka, Farscape, etc

Wait when did Warehouse get the ax?  AWWWWW sonofa.


Apparently, next season is the last. Announced in May, I believe.
 
2013-07-25 11:52:23 AM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Saiga410: johnnieconnie: So why doesn't she throw some of the love from the USA channel over to the SciFi channel?

/sheds tear for Warehouse, Eureka, Farscape, etc

Wait when did Warehouse get the ax?  AWWWWW sonofa.

Earlier this year they announced that they were going to finish up this season and then end the series with a half a season next year. That show was the last reason I watch the syfylis channel ever. Lost Girl and Continuum I can get from torrents the day before they air on syfylis since they're actually Canadian shows.


Defiance is decent (minus the odd product placement they do).  But I stream the episodes rather than watch them on cable.
 
2013-07-25 11:52:40 AM

texdent: johnnieconnie: /sheds tear for Warehouse, Eureka, Farscape, etc

At least Haven hasn't been canceled yet.


Shaddup, you are taunting The Powers That Be!
 
2013-07-25 11:52:44 AM
Also helped further the descent of Raw into a crap show.
 
2013-07-25 11:53:28 AM
prefer Bonnie Rotten anyway.

fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-07-25 11:58:28 AM

JolobinSmokin: prefer Bonnie Rotten anyway.


Is every cum slut more tatted up than a mameluke these days?
 
2013-07-25 11:59:34 AM
Farscape gets canceled, but we get Sharknado 2. There is no god.
 
2013-07-25 12:03:11 PM

Fano: JolobinSmokin: prefer Bonnie Rotten anyway.

Is every cum slut more tatted up than a mameluke these days?


They need something to take your eyes off the horrible fake tits.
 
2013-07-25 12:06:59 PM

jake_lex: I wonder how many people online going on and on about Sharknado have also criticized SyFy cancelling "real" science-fiction programming.

Because, you do realize that the success of Sharknado really serves as a validation of SyFy's programming decisions, don't you?


Hipster Alert:  I actively stayed away from Sharknado for that very reason.  It's one thing to pass off bad Roger Corman movies as sci-fi, but Sharknado was a bridge too far for me.
 
2013-07-25 12:08:12 PM

JolobinSmokin: prefer Bonnie Rotten anyway.

[fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 278x403]


She's all yours.

Fano: JolobinSmokin: Is every cum slut more tatted up than a mameluke these days?


I know...

FirstNationalBastard: They need something to take your eyes off the horrible fake tits.


That butterface doesn't help matters.
 
2013-07-25 12:08:34 PM

hardinparamedic: Farscape gets canceled, but we get Sharknado 2. There is no god.


Farscape, MST3K, SG:U after it finally started to get decent, Eureka (Although that one had jumped the sharknado with the whole coming back to the alternate timeline bit), Caprica before the writers could fix that mess, etc etc. Yet Syfylis original B movie of the week keeps getting made. Fark Bonnie Hammer, Fark that whore right up her nonimagination having ass.
 
2013-07-25 12:11:26 PM

LowbrowDeluxe: Mugato: who cancelled  MST3K

I'll be starting a Kickstarter campaign to build a time machine to kill this woman's mother before she's born.

/not really doing that, don't arrest me

It's okay.  Bonnie Hammer is so evil she falls under the Time Police Hitler Protection Act, so we all know it's just a wistful dream.

/Did I just Godwin a thread about a SyFy channel exec defending against antisemitism?  I think I did.


They took out the Hitler building!
 
2013-07-25 12:11:38 PM

NicktheSmoker: Seriously, you really faced intolerance being Jewish?  Someone needs to learn when people are joking with them. What a moron.


Unless she ended up in the westernmost portion of Bumfark Kansas, I have a hard time believing her claim.  It pains me to defend the intelligence of Kansans, but I've never met a Kansan so insular that they would say something like that.  I don't know where she visited, but if it was Johnson County, Lawrence, or even Manhattan, they've seen Jews before.

I suspect that in reality, the New York kids were getting some chuckles at the expense of the "rubes" and the rubes decided to poke back.
 
2013-07-25 12:14:51 PM
I'm thinking the horns might have come with those scary arms.

www3.pictures.zimbio.com
/also love how she is proud of her promos rather than any actual content. It's an AW piece.
//other "claims to fame" she "discovered" Bob Vila and Dakota Fanning (when she was cast in Taken)...meh
 
2013-07-25 12:16:14 PM
Wait, she canceled Farscape? I thought investors suddenly pulled out at the start of the freshly contracted 4th season in a 2 season contract. That is, she didn't cancel it - she actually allowed it to live. Besides, somebody had to sign off on the PW.

Correct me if I'm wrong, folks.
 
2013-07-25 12:17:49 PM
MONSTER!!!

BTW, I really get the appealing of movies like Sharknado... I mean, I don't think that you can claim be a MST3K fan and NOT have a soft spot for those movies.

Bad monsters are a staple of the genre...
 
2013-07-25 12:19:33 PM

Rwa2play: JolobinSmokin: prefer Bonnie Rotten anyway.

[fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 278x403]

She's all yours.

Fano: JolobinSmokin: Is every cum slut more tatted up than a mameluke these days?

I know...

FirstNationalBastard: They need something to take your eyes off the horrible fake tits.

That butterface doesn't help matters.


awe shucks, I like my girls with some wheat in her mouth and a nice cardigan.
 
2013-07-25 12:21:33 PM

Lord Binky: Wait, she canceled Farscape? I thought investors suddenly pulled out at the start of the freshly contracted 4th season in a 2 season contract. That is, she didn't cancel it - she actually allowed it to live. Besides, somebody had to sign off on the PW.

Correct me if I'm wrong, folks.


According to Wiki, it was Sci-Fi itself that unexpectedly pulled its funding for the fifth season. Sure, they eventually gave us Peacekeeper Wars, but that's only because the huge fan campaign after the cancellation was enough to at least keep Sci-Fi from disposing of the sets.
 
2013-07-25 12:28:02 PM

jake_lex: I wonder how many people online going on and on about Sharknado have also criticized SyFy cancelling "real" science-fiction programming.

Because, you do realize that the success of Sharknado really serves as a validation of SyFy's programming decisions, don't you?



Sharknado was a lot like Snakes on a Plane; big on the Internet, not so big on the veiwership. 1.4 million isn't bad, but it was way below a lot of the other Asylum movies like Sharktopus. Syfy's biggest ratings grabbers remain shows about "ghosts" and wrasslin'.
 
2013-07-25 12:29:59 PM

DarkPascual: MONSTER!!!

BTW, I really get the appealing of movies like Sharknado... I mean, I don't think that you can claim be a MST3K fan and NOT have a soft spot for those movies.

Bad monsters are a staple of the genre...


The difference is that the movies MST3K mocked took themselves seriously.  Joe Don Baker got made at the over Mitchell even though MST3K ended up revitalizing his career.  Sharknado wasn't like that.  It was a pretty brazen attempt to make a meta bad movie that would blow up Twitter.

And just for the record, in the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal.  I don't condemn anyone who watched or enjoyed it.  To each his own.  But for me, it ruins the fun when everyone is in on the joke.  If the cast of 90210 is going to do a movie like this, I expect to see a "this goddamn check better clear or I'm back to eating dog food" look of desperation on Ian Ziering's face.
 
2013-07-25 12:33:13 PM

NeoCortex42: Lord Binky: Wait, she canceled Farscape? I thought investors suddenly pulled out at the start of the freshly contracted 4th season in a 2 season contract. That is, she didn't cancel it - she actually allowed it to live. Besides, somebody had to sign off on the PW.

Correct me if I'm wrong, folks.

According to Wiki, it was Sci-Fi itself that unexpectedly pulled its funding for the fifth season. Sure, they eventually gave us Peacekeeper Wars, but that's only because the huge fan campaign after the cancellation was enough to at least keep Sci-Fi from disposing of the sets.


IIRC, they've continued the story in comic form. The comic starts where peacekeeper wars ends, and makes a crapsack world into the "It got worse" trope
 
2013-07-25 12:33:35 PM
How are the current ratings compared to the time before this person's tenure? Does anyone actually know?
 
2013-07-25 12:38:28 PM

SauceIT: [www3.pictures.zimbio.com image 850x606]


lounge.moviecodec.com
Look lady you get a certain number of years of being a gym chick and tanning like an Oompa Loompa and then you're done.
And a certain number of farking up the TV you're in charge of before you're done.
You're past your expiration date on both counts.
 
2013-07-25 12:41:50 PM
Man, I wish they'ed bring back MST3K. Rifftrax is great and all but it just isn't the same. Maybe Netflix or Amazon prime will do something. Not likely though.
Heh, I just think it would be funny to have the bots riff on Garbage Pail Kids or Mac and Me. Or expand and have them riff on bad TV shows, like My Mother The Car.
 
2013-07-25 12:47:36 PM

Cagey B: How are the current ratings compared to the time before this person's tenure? Does anyone actually know?


I'm sure the ratings have improved since then.  Originally, Sci-Fi was a very niche channel.  Between shows like MST3K and the look of things like FTL news and the channel ID's, it really felt like a cult channel.  Dammit, that's what viewers of Sci-Fi wanted: A network & website that seemed to actually "get" them.

Since then, it's moved more and more towards the "mainstream" by airing wrestling and reality programs like you would see on Spike.  I'm sure it gets more viewers than previously.  It's just a matter of being happy with a small, but devout following, or a large "couldn't really care one way or another" viewership.
 
2013-07-25 12:57:33 PM
Bring back Slab Bulkhead!
 
2013-07-25 01:02:11 PM

EyeballKid: But those who are involved with Characters Unite are optimistic that its message will become universal.

If there's anybody I'd expect optimism from, it's anybody who thinks people are watching USA original programming.


I love Psych and Graceland is growing on me
 
2013-07-25 01:03:57 PM

NeoCortex42: Cagey B: How are the current ratings compared to the time before this person's tenure? Does anyone actually know?

I'm sure the ratings have improved since then.  Originally, Sci-Fi was a very niche channel.  Between shows like MST3K and the look of things like FTL news and the channel ID's, it really felt like a cult channel.  Dammit, that's what viewers of Sci-Fi wanted: A network & website that seemed to actually "get" them.

Since then, it's moved more and more towards the "mainstream" by airing wrestling and reality programs like you would see on Spike.  I'm sure it gets more viewers than previously.  It's just a matter of being happy with a small, but devout following, or a large "couldn't really care one way or another" viewership.


Before Bonnie Hammer was 1998, when cable ratings were nowhere near what they are now.

No one really knows how a real Sci-Fi channel would fare today.
 
2013-07-25 01:04:33 PM

jake_lex: There are so many valid reasons to hate her, and some douche had to go there.


When you really hate someone, everything about them is offensive. "Look at that biatch eating crackers like she owns all the banks and Hollywood."
 
2013-07-25 01:12:05 PM

DarkPascual: MONSTER!!!

BTW, I really get the appealing of movies like Sharknado... I mean, I don't think that you can claim be a MST3K fan and NOT have a soft spot for those movies.

Bad monsters are a staple of the genre...


THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Yes theyre dumb, thats the point. Sci-fi doesnt have to always be super serious asimov and clarke inspired sterile looks at the future. There is a RICH tradition of B movies, and especially monster of the week B movies. Are they stupid? yes. Does that make them less fun? No.

www.ericaseccombe.com.au


Or hell, even...

wtf-film.com

/also everything else on television is so bad that everything on USA is good enough by default
 
2013-07-25 01:18:35 PM
Who?

a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
Her? No? Oh well.
 
2013-07-25 01:29:04 PM
So, wait: this isn't an accurate representation?

wikiislam.net
 
2013-07-25 01:35:16 PM
SyFy is what happens when you let chicks run things.
 
2013-07-25 01:46:51 PM

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 500x375]


When SGU was cancelled I never went back.
 
2013-07-25 01:52:45 PM

Mentat: DarkPascual: MONSTER!!!

BTW, I really get the appealing of movies like Sharknado... I mean, I don't think that you can claim be a MST3K fan and NOT have a soft spot for those movies.

Bad monsters are a staple of the genre...

The difference is that the movies MST3K mocked took themselves seriously.  Joe Don Baker got made at the over Mitchell even though MST3K ended up revitalizing his career.  Sharknado wasn't like that.  It was a pretty brazen attempt to make a meta bad movie that would blow up Twitter.

And just for the record, in the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal.  I don't condemn anyone who watched or enjoyed it.  To each his own.  But for me, it ruins the fun when everyone is in on the joke.  If the cast of 90210 is going to do a movie like this, I expect to see a "this goddamn check better clear or I'm back to eating dog food" look of desperation on Ian Ziering's face.


Not that I don't see your point, but I REALLY doubt that the makers of movies like "The Giant Claw" or "Them!" aren't aware about the fact that they are making dumb movies.

I'm not saying that Sharknado is on the same league of those classic movies, but I cannot fault them for embrace their stupidity...
 
2013-07-25 01:53:41 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Trocadero: EyeballKid: But those who are involved with Characters Unite are optimistic that its message will become universal.

If there's anybody I'd expect optimism from, it's anybody who thinks people are watching USA original programming.

I like White Collar.

And Psych is still good.

But they don't exactly have anything to replace Psych with as their good show when it ends next year, and Bonnie is Siffying USA by adding hours of reality programming to the schedule instead of good shows.


PSYCH took a severe downturn this past season, though that probably isn't her fault.  It does make me
fear that it will go out on a sour note, though.

I love WHITE COLLAR, but I see it wavering at times too with all the conspiracy crap; it is much better when
they stick to caper stories.  If they actually bring back Neil's fiance, that will be the show's downfall, though.

Bonnie Hammer needs to just go away.
 
2013-07-25 01:54:56 PM

Cyno01: DarkPascual: MONSTER!!!

BTW, I really get the appealing of movies like Sharknado... I mean, I don't think that you can claim be a MST3K fan and NOT have a soft spot for those movies.

Bad monsters are a staple of the genre...

THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Yes theyre dumb, thats the point. Sci-fi doesnt have to always be super serious asimov and clarke inspired sterile looks at the future. There is a RICH tradition of B movies, and especially monster of the week B movies. Are they stupid? yes. Does that make them less fun? No.

/also everything else on television is so bad that everything on USA is good enough by default


It would be nice to see anything approaching this, ever, on SyFy nowadays.  The scale is tipped so far towards "dumb sic-fi" that the scale is buried beneath a pile of mutant sharks.  I can't even remember the last time SyFy aired something that caused people on Fark to talk about the actual ideas or writing.  Instead, it's always about "B-b-b-but dumb is OK!!!"
 
2013-07-25 01:57:18 PM

ArcadianRefugee: So, wait: this isn't an accurate representation?

[wikiislam.net image 300x225]


No, those shoudl be baby skulls...
 
2013-07-25 01:57:33 PM

Evil Mackerel: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 500x375]

When SGU was cancelled I never went back.


But, Bonnie wants you to pretend that Defiance is quality SCIENCE FICTION that's WORTH WATCHING!  Suspend your disbelief and over look the fact that the characters are trite cliches (if not outright plagiarism) and the dialogue was written by a thirteen year old girl who hasn't the foggiest freakin' clue as to how adults interact.

Defiance is PRETTY and AUTHENTIC SCIENCE FICTION!!!  And, you need to convince yourself that YOU LIKE IT!

Or, you can just  giggle at the fact that when you don't watch it, it hurts Bonnie Hammer deeply because SyFy dumped half of its budget into producing that crap.
 
2013-07-25 02:22:58 PM

curtis_e_bare: I blame Sacha Baron Cohen.

Throw the Jew down the well


I blame Exodus 34:29.

// that's where this stupid thing started
// because some idiot didn't know that "קָרַן עוֹר" is Bible-speak for "ray of light" (literally "horns of light") and took it literally - "OMG Moe had horns! Therefore all Jews have horns!"
 
2013-07-25 02:30:02 PM

Lodger: Cyno01: DarkPascual: MONSTER!!!

BTW, I really get the appealing of movies like Sharknado... I mean, I don't think that you can claim be a MST3K fan and NOT have a soft spot for those movies.

Bad monsters are a staple of the genre...

THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Yes theyre dumb, thats the point. Sci-fi doesnt have to always be super serious asimov and clarke inspired sterile looks at the future. There is a RICH tradition of B movies, and especially monster of the week B movies. Are they stupid? yes. Does that make them less fun? No.

/also everything else on television is so bad that everything on USA is good enough by default

It would be nice to see anything approaching this, ever, on SyFy nowadays.  The scale is tipped so far towards "dumb sic-fi" that the scale is buried beneath a pile of mutant sharks.  I can't even remember the last time SyFy aired something that caused people on Fark to talk about the actual ideas or writing.  Instead, it's always about "B-b-b-but dumb is OK!!!"


Well, SyFy sure isnt producing it, but check out Orphan Black, which while kind of light, showcases some impressive acting and looks like season 2 will start focusing on the legal and ethical issues surrounding bioengineering. And Continuum is pretty good, while ive only gotten around to watching the first season, its time travel done right. Even though last weeks episode was a stupid cliche, i enjoy Falling Skies, and its made it to season 3, so somebodys watching it.

Id be hard pressed to come up with a top 10 list of sci fi tv shows at the moment, because without lumping in horror and fantasy, i dont think there are 10 sci fi tv shows on the air right now.

I like to wait for seasons to finish then marathoning, Revolution sucked, waiting for S2 of Continuum to finish, is Defiance even worth watching?

Is there any other sci fi im missing? Good or even just ok? Or should i just rewatch Farscape for the 5th time. I want spaceships and aliens and lasers damnit.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-25 02:30:23 PM

Lodger: It would be nice to see anything approaching this, ever, on SyFy nowadays. The scale is tipped so far towards "dumb sic-fi" that the scale is buried beneath a pile of mutant sharks. I can't even remember the last time SyFy aired something that caused people on Fark to talk about the actual ideas or writing. Instead, it's always about "B-b-b-but dumb is OK!!!"


The network you're looking for is called "Discovery". They've got MythBusters and one-shot seasons of actually interesting sciencey things like "How the Universe Works", "Planet Earth" and "Life" (which I know were BBC).

"SyFy", in addition to being a dumb name for a channel that no longer has anything to do with sci-fi, wouldn't touch that eggheaded crap with Tila Tequila's dick.
 
2013-07-25 02:38:00 PM

Mugato: who cancelled  MST3K

I'll be starting a Kickstarter campaign to build a time machine to kill give this woman's mother a fist full of condoms before she's born.

//now less NSA siren-inducing

 
2013-07-25 02:45:54 PM

Lodger: It would be nice to see anything approaching this, ever, on SyFy nowadays.


If you want serious, thoughtful sci-fi,  read a book. I love seriously hard sci-fi, but very little of the kind of sci-fi I like translates well to a visual medium.  Schild's Ladder or  Boy 33 or  Rant aren't going to translate to a TV show or movie. Fluff like Honor Harrington would be a better fit, and at least you could look to the excellent Horatio Hornblower series for inspiration.
 
2013-07-25 03:19:01 PM
I know it's not in the sci-fi genre, but SyFy has a really excellent series, the US/Canadian version of Being Human.

www.badhaven.com

I love this show, especially since the British version has sucked goat balls since Aidan Turner and especially Russell Tovey left. The US version hasn't re-cycled the UK plots, and after a bit of a rough start early in season 1, they've hit their stride. Highly recommended.
 
2013-07-25 03:21:45 PM

t3knomanser: Lodger: It would be nice to see anything approaching this, ever, on SyFy nowadays.

If you want serious, thoughtful sci-fi,  read a book. I love seriously hard sci-fi, but very little of the kind of sci-fi I like translates well to a visual medium.  Schild's Ladder or  Boy 33 or  Rant aren't going to translate to a TV show or movie. Fluff like Honor Harrington would be a better fit, and at least you could look to the excellent Horatio Hornblower series for inspiration.


Thank you, yes, I do happen to read.  This doesn't exclude a desire to see something serious or thoughtful  (or something  close to serious and thoughtful) on television at the same time - my schedule allows for both.  In watching older shows it seemed that the various networks had room for niche shows - not so much anymore.  It's not like it has to be DUNE or SHARKNADO and that's it.

If something cannot translate to a TV show, then excellent, leave it alone.  I don't have a HUGE interest in solely military-themed stories, but I'm open to them.

Been watching - nah, why bother listing - but older shows, lacking a huge budget, would really get into exploring a fantastic idea through the characters, then cap it off with a properly-timed effect.  Nowadays it's a one-sentence problem and ten minutes of planets exploding.
 
2013-07-25 03:29:40 PM

Cyno01: Id be hard pressed to come up with a top 10 list of sci fi tv shows at the moment, because without lumping in horror and fantasy, i dont think there are 10 sci fi tv shows on the air right now.

I like to wait for seasons to finish then marathoning, Revolution sucked, waiting for S2 of Continuum to finish, is Defiance even worth watching?

Is there any other sci fi im missing? Good or even just ok? Or should i just rewatch Farscape for the 5th time. I want spaceships and aliens and lasers damnit.


Defiance is...okay.  If it's a choice between Defiance or nothing, I'll say it's worth a watch.  Mostly because there is such a complete dearth of real hard sci-fi shows out there right now.  By that I mean the more fanciful "Star Trek"-type show with aliens and stuff like that.  If Defiance got cancelled in the off-season, I wouldn't care one iota.  After they cancelled Alphas, it's going to take a hell of a show to get me hooked on anything on Syfy anytime soon.  Eureka and WH13 had a good run and it's probably for the best that they were cancelled, but Alphas still had a lot going for it.

As for even 10 sci-fi shows being on right now, let's see what I can come up with (in no particular order):
1.  Orphan Black - Absolutely worth watching.  A crime the actress wasn't just given an Emmy on the spot
2.  Defiance - Okay, nothing to write home about
3.  Warehouse 13 - Fun, but will be ending next year
4.  Falling Skies - Haven't watched it.  Just didn't really get interested past the pilot
5.  Doctor Who - New Who has had it's ups and downs, but it still a fun watch
6.  Under the Dome - It's not aliens and gadgets in space, but it is sci-fi.  So far, it's not too bad.
7.  Misfits - Next season's the last one.  Last season was a bit of a downturn, but otherwise worth checking out
8.  Continuum - First season was a bit too "standard police procedural", but it's picked up this year a lot
9.  Futurama - Okay, I'm grasping at straws here.  It may be animated, but it's still sci-fi
10.  Revolution - Only watched a couple episodes.  The plotting and characters right off the bad were terrible and predictable.

Well, there's ten at least.  There's got to be another one or two I'm forgetting, without having to go into horror (Walking Dead), fantasy (Game of Thrones), or anime.
 
2013-07-25 03:50:03 PM

NeoCortex42: Cyno01: Id be hard pressed to come up with a top 10 list of sci fi tv shows at the moment, because without lumping in horror and fantasy, i dont think there are 10 sci fi tv shows on the air right now.

I like to wait for seasons to finish then marathoning, Revolution sucked, waiting for S2 of Continuum to finish, is Defiance even worth watching?

Is there any other sci fi im missing? Good or even just ok? Or should i just rewatch Farscape for the 5th time. I want spaceships and aliens and lasers damnit.

Defiance is...okay.  If it's a choice between Defiance or nothing, I'll say it's worth a watch.  Mostly because there is such a complete dearth of real hard sci-fi shows out there right now.  By that I mean the more fanciful "Star Trek"-type show with aliens and stuff like that.  If Defiance got cancelled in the off-season, I wouldn't care one iota.  After they cancelled Alphas, it's going to take a hell of a show to get me hooked on anything on Syfy anytime soon.  Eureka and WH13 had a good run and it's probably for the best that they were cancelled, but Alphas still had a lot going for it.

As for even 10 sci-fi shows being on right now, let's see what I can come up with (in no particular order):
1.  Orphan Black - Absolutely worth watching.  A crime the actress wasn't just given an Emmy on the spot
2.  Defiance - Okay, nothing to write home about
3.  Warehouse 13 - Fun, but will be ending next year
4.  Falling Skies - Haven't watched it.  Just didn't really get interested past the pilot
5.  Doctor Who - New Who has had it's ups and downs, but it still a fun watch
6.  Under the Dome - It's not aliens and gadgets in space, but it is sci-fi.  So far, it's not too bad.
7.  Misfits - Next season's the last one.  Last season was a bit of a downturn, but otherwise worth checking out
8.  Continuum - First season was a bit too "standard police procedural", but it's picked up this year a lot
9.  Futurama - Okay, I'm grasping at straws here.  It may be animated, but it's s ...


Seen all of those except Defiance and Under the Dome (which ill wait until the season is finished, but doesnt really look all the sci-fiey). I like Warehouse 13, but id probably lump that in with fantasy also.

And Warehouse 13, Misfits and Futurama are all ending. AMC has an Area 51 show coming out thats NOT sci-fi, The 100, which is an intriguing premise, although im getting sick of dystopian stuff, SHIELD will probably be great,  Star-Crossed looks ok for a teen drama. Those are the only upcoming sci fi series i can find, but they mostly look like human dramas with a sci fi twist, no new space operas in the pipeline anywhere. Maybe ill finally get around to watching Andromeda. :-/
 
2013-07-25 04:02:54 PM

Cyno01: Seen all of those except Defiance and Under the Dome (which ill wait until the season is finished, but doesnt really look all the sci-fiey). I like Warehouse 13, but id probably lump that in with fantasy also.

And Warehouse 13, Misfits and Futurama are all ending. AMC has an Area 51 show coming out thats NOT sci-fi, The 100, which is an intriguing premise, although im getting sick of dystopian stuff, SHIELD will probably be great, Star-Crossed looks ok for a teen drama. Those are the only upcoming sci fi series i can find, but they mostly look like human dramas with a sci fi twist, no new space operas in the pipeline anywhere. Maybe ill finally get around to watching Andromeda. :-/


Under the Dome is interesting but it's not top of the line.  I like Revolution even if it's not perfect.  Unlike shows like Lost, they actually move the plot forward and as a result it's a completely different show than when it started.  Love Orphan Black, best sci-fi show in years.
 
2013-07-25 04:05:53 PM
Maybe if sci-fi shows pulled better ratings they wouldn't be cancelled...
 
2013-07-25 04:14:29 PM

Cyno01: is Defiance even worth watching?


It's ok.  I even like the steampunk tribal aliens, the Irathients.

I like the game too, some of the cross over events between the two were good, others were "What the fark?".

I'm interested to see what they do in game now that the series is in between seasons.  They went way out of their way to name drop locations from the game in the show, so I expect to see some followups in game.
 
2013-07-25 05:00:46 PM

Lodger: This doesn't exclude a desire to see something serious or thoughtful  (or something  close to serious and thoughtful) on television at the same time - my schedule allows for both.


Yes, but televised science-fiction, at its best, has never been as serious or thoughtful as literature. A big part of this arises from the fact that once you put it onto the screen, it essentially  demands a certain element of camp. And even when it gets into "big ideas", the ideas that it can handle are all very much the same sorts of ideas that any drama could handle, meaning that you could probably make the same show, more cheaply, and draw better ratings by not doing sci-fi.

NeoCortex42: 1.  Orphan Black - Absolutely worth watching.  A crime the actress wasn't just given an Emmy on the spot
2.  Defiance - Okay, nothing to write home about
3.  Warehouse 13 - Fun, but will be ending next year
4.  Falling Skies - Haven't watched it.  Just didn't really get interested past the pilot
5.  Doctor Who - New Who has had it's ups and downs, but it still a fun watch
6.  Under the Dome - It's not aliens and gadgets in space, but it is sci-fi.  So far, it's not too bad.
7.  Misfits - Next season's the last one.  Last season was a bit of a downturn, but otherwise worth checking out
8.  Continuum - First season was a bit too "standard police procedural", but it's picked up this year a lot
9.  Futurama - Okay, I'm grasping at straws here.  It may be animated, but it's still sci-fi
10.  Revolution - Only watched a couple episodes.  The plotting and characters right off the bad were terrible and predictable.


I'd knock one of those "meh" shows off the list to find a slot for "Person of Interest", which is probably the second-best sci-fi show on TV right now ("Orphan Black" wins).
 
2013-07-25 05:30:15 PM

Sybarite: jake_lex: I wonder how many people online going on and on about Sharknado have also criticized SyFy cancelling "real" science-fiction programming.

Because, you do realize that the success of Sharknado really serves as a validation of SyFy's programming decisions, don't you?


Sharknado was a lot like Snakes on a Plane; big on the Internet, not so big on the veiwership. 1.4 million isn't bad, but it was way below a lot of the other Asylum movies like Sharktopus. Syfy's biggest ratings grabbers remain shows about "ghosts" and wrasslin'.


SHARKTOPUS was not produced by Asylum. It was Corman.
 
2013-07-25 05:46:46 PM
www.hebrewhammer.com

For the last time, I did not cancel Farscape!
 
2013-07-25 05:49:32 PM

Cyno01: And Warehouse 13, Misfits and Futurama are all ending. AMC has an Area 51 show coming out thats NOT sci-fi, The 100, which is an intriguing premise, although im getting sick of dystopian stuff, SHIELD will probably be great,  Star-Crossed looks ok for a teen drama. Those are the only upcoming sci fi series i can find, but they mostly look like human dramas with a sci fi twist, no new space operas in the pipeline anywhere. Maybe ill finally get around to watching Andromeda. :-


Syfy has a new big show starting up next year, Helix. I don't know much about it, but Syfy is already teasing it in ads and there does seem to be some positive buzz around it.
 
2013-07-25 06:10:01 PM
That college trip to Kansas: who opened the windows on the train?
 
2013-07-25 06:22:26 PM

NeoCortex42: Cyno01: And Warehouse 13, Misfits and Futurama are all ending. AMC has an Area 51 show coming out thats NOT sci-fi, The 100, which is an intriguing premise, although im getting sick of dystopian stuff, SHIELD will probably be great,  Star-Crossed looks ok for a teen drama. Those are the only upcoming sci fi series i can find, but they mostly look like human dramas with a sci fi twist, no new space operas in the pipeline anywhere. Maybe ill finally get around to watching Andromeda. :-

Syfy has a new big show starting up next year, Helix. I don't know much about it, but Syfy is already teasing it in ads and there does seem to be some positive buzz around it.


A pile of shiat has a positive buzz around it, thanks to the flies.
 
2013-07-25 06:27:02 PM

NeoCortex42: Syfy has a new big show starting up next year, Helix. I don't know much about it, but Syfy is already teasing it in ads and there does seem to be some positive buzz around it.


Looks like its the Andromeda Strain meets The Thing. NTTAWWT, and im sure ill watch it, but... Someone give Ron a budget to work with, we need him to make another DS9 or BSG. Do we really want SGU to be the last (barely a) space opera?
 
2013-07-25 07:21:21 PM
So, she puts up this front on how she wants everyone to be accepted for who they are, but more or less whitewashes Sci-Fi into SyFy, out of a ignorance of what she thought the audience was?
 
2013-07-25 07:28:29 PM
I know she said it was Kansas, but are people really that incredibly stupid?  I can understand it as a racist remark, but to actually believe that Jews have horns would require a level of moronic ignorance I'm unprepared to believe actually exists outside of brainwashed cults.  Also, did she wear her "I'm a Jew" shirt that day?!
 
2013-07-25 07:37:48 PM

vrax: I know she said it was Kansas, but are people really that incredibly stupid?  I can understand it as a racist remark, but to actually believe that Jews have horns would require a level of moronic ignorance I'm unprepared to believe actually exists outside of brainwashed cults.  Also, did she wear her "I'm a Jew" shirt that day?!


You know, they wrote a book about Kansas and how farked up it is.
 
2013-07-25 08:28:18 PM

hardinparamedic: Farscape gets canceled, but we get Sharknado 2. There is no god.


Ibetthejewsdidthis.jpg
 
2013-07-25 08:50:57 PM

meat0918: vrax: I know she said it was Kansas, but are people really that incredibly stupid?  I can understand it as a racist remark, but to actually believe that Jews have horns would require a level of moronic ignorance I'm unprepared to believe actually exists outside of brainwashed cults.  Also, did she wear her "I'm a Jew" shirt that day?!

You know, they wrote a book about Kansas and how farked up it is.


Yeah, Bonnie is lucky they didn't drop a house on her!
 
2013-07-25 09:04:07 PM

meat0918: vrax: I know she said it was Kansas, but are people really that incredibly stupid?  I can understand it as a racist remark, but to actually believe that Jews have horns would require a level of moronic ignorance I'm unprepared to believe actually exists outside of brainwashed cults.  Also, did she wear her "I'm a Jew" shirt that day?!

You know, they wrote a book about Kansas and how farked up it is.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-25 09:40:46 PM

Henry Holland: I know it's not in the sci-fi genre, but SyFy has a really excellent series, the US/Canadian version of Being Human.

[www.badhaven.com image 520x320]

I love this show, especially since the British version has sucked goat balls since Aidan Turner and especially Russell Tovey left. The US version hasn't re-cycled the UK plots, and after a bit of a rough start early in season 1, they've hit their stride. Highly recommended.


I liked BHuk in the beginning, and agree that it kind of fell apart thereafter. I started to watch BHus, but was immediately turned off because (in the beginning, at least) it did seem to mirror the UK version, plus there was no pathos with the vampires.


I'll just say ***** SPOILERS ***** for those who haven't seen either, despite being years old.


In the UK series, vampires had the "no image in the mirror" and "can't be photographed" flaw, and so had to keep themselves hidden. In the US version, iirc, not only could they be photographed and seen in mirrors, but they could "glamour" people as True Blood calls it.

So where's the pathos? They don't have to skulk about, hide themselves. They could do just like the vamps in TB and say, "Hey, farkers. Here we are."*

Also,

upload.wikimedia.org

he made me feel sorry for him and his shiatty situation. The US guy? Not so much.

* I don't care that it all went to shiat because HBO needed plot material
 
2013-07-26 01:06:04 PM
Still no word either way on Steven DeKnight's Incursion. "On hold" according to his Twitter... "Too complicated and expensive to move forward at the moment".

*sigh*
 
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