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2013-07-25 09:28:41 AM
You know what would be good?  A good Swamp Thing movie.
 
2013-07-25 09:30:35 AM
That's just world wide box office, include after box and tie in revenue and things would be a little different. Marvel would still have the upper hand, it's just some of those properties performed pretty well with tie ins and media sales.
 
2013-07-25 09:40:18 AM
Quick, time to undo Nu52 and do a NEW new multiverse!

AeAe: You know what would be good?  A good Swamp Thing movie.


What, you didn't like the one with Adrienne Barbeau?
 
2013-07-25 09:42:55 AM
nerdreactor.com

not for long
 
2013-07-25 09:43:08 AM

AeAe: You know what would be good?  A good Swamp Thing movie.


They already had one.

I mean, topless Adrienne Barbeau makes any movie good.
 
2013-07-25 09:47:24 AM

PizzaJedi81: What, you didn't like the one with Adrienne Barbeau?


Murphy: I got hard nippys
 
2013-07-25 09:48:17 AM

FirstNationalBastard: I mean, topless Adrienne Barbeau makes any movie good.


I burned the VCR tape bumping out knuckle kids to that wonderful pair of amazing chesticles
 
2013-07-25 09:51:00 AM

Tundra6477: [nerdreactor.com image 720x441]

not for long


This could easily be a turd. Without Bale or Nolan, and the difficulties of making a compelling film where Batman can play a meaningful role in Superman's universe...this can turn into a steaming pile in a hurry.
 
2013-07-25 09:51:41 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: FirstNationalBastard: I mean, topless Adrienne Barbeau makes any movie good.

I burned the VCR tape bumping out knuckle kids to that wonderful pair of amazing chesticles


Back in 2002, MGM accidentally put out a DVD of the Swamp Thing movie that included the international edit of the film, which was 2 minutes longer and included extended scenes of naked Adrienne Barbeau.

They let it go OOP and every version released since has been Barboobless, including the new Blu Ray coming out.

Why even bother releasing that shiat film if they're cutting out the only reasons to watch?
 
2013-07-25 09:52:43 AM

MayoSlather: Tundra6477: [nerdreactor.com image 720x441]

not for long

This could easily be a turd. Without Bale or Nolan, and the difficulties of making a compelling film where Batman can play a meaningful role in Superman's universe...this can turn into a steaming pile in a hurry.


granted.........but all of us will still pay to see the first one at least
 
2013-07-25 10:05:01 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Why even bother releasing that shiat film if they're cutting out the only reasons to watch?


Exactly, thank gawd for torrent
 
2013-07-25 10:05:45 AM

Tundra6477: [nerdreactor.com image 720x441]

not for long


This will probably make a brazilian dollars, but its still only one blockbuster compared to all the Marvel movies.
 
2013-07-25 10:16:16 AM

Tundra6477: [nerdreactor.com image 720x441]

not for long


Superman punches batman into the sun. Movie over. It still won't gross more than Avengers.
 
2013-07-25 10:18:55 AM

MayoSlather: Tundra6477: [nerdreactor.com image 720x441]

not for long

This could easily be a turd. Without Bale or Nolan, and the difficulties of making a compelling film where Batman can play a meaningful role in Superman's universe...this can turn into a steaming pile in a hurry.


How dare you doubt Adam West?
/Fat Val Kilmer?
 
2013-07-25 10:35:45 AM
windupmyskirt.files.wordpress.com

/oblig
 
2013-07-25 10:37:37 AM

Tundra6477: [nerdreactor.com image 720x441]

not for long


I'll see that and raise you:

cdn.mos.totalfilm.com
 
2013-07-25 10:47:46 AM

Carth: Tundra6477: [nerdreactor.com image 720x441]

not for long

Superman punches batman into the sun. Movie over. It still won't gross more than Avengers.


I was gonna say: Superman has lazer eyes and is invincible, batman has shark repellant.  I just don't see this being interesting, especially since they've established that Superman will kill people, and Batman won't.
 
2013-07-25 10:50:26 AM
When it comes to superheroes Marvel is just better, but when talking about comics in general nothing tops Image. Bedlam, Revival, and Saga are some of the best books I've ever read.
 
2013-07-25 10:53:01 AM

Tundra6477: [nerdreactor.com image 720x441]

not for long


There's gonna be something like six more Marvel movies released (four by Marvel Studios) by the time that comes out.
 
2013-07-25 10:57:21 AM

Tundra6477: MayoSlather: Tundra6477: [nerdreactor.com image 720x441]

not for long

This could easily be a turd. Without Bale or Nolan, and the difficulties of making a compelling film where Batman can play a meaningful role in Superman's universe...this can turn into a steaming pile in a hurry.

granted.........but all of us will still pay to see the first one at least


They hinted at doing a Dark Knight Returns kind of vs. thing. That could be cool. Also heard that Jensen Ackles is lobbying for the roll of Batman. I think that would be a good fit.
 
2013-07-25 11:01:18 AM

Tundra6477: [nerdreactor.com image 720x441]

not for long


movie might not good, depends how they do the story and all
 
2013-07-25 11:10:22 AM

Disposable Rob: There's gonna be something like six more Marvel movies released (four by Marvel Studios) by the time that comes out.


At least 7 by my count. Captain America 2, Thor 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers 2, X-Men Days of Future Past, The Wolverine, Amazing Spider-man 2.

The problem with the Batman/Superman movie is that even by 2015 the Nolan movies will still probably be pretty fresh in people's memories and a lot of people realy liked that series. So batman in this movie is going to be compared like crazy to Nolan's batman, so it better be awesome or people will hate it. Although lets face it a lot of people will just hate it anyways.
 
2013-07-25 11:13:24 AM
Creatively, DC has had their backs to the wall these last few years anyway.  They can crank out animated features that are just fantastic, but their big budget movies have sucked pretty bad.  I wasn't terribly impressed with the Dark Knight series.  It was okay, I just didn't get the excessive fanboy wankery that always happens anytime Batman is brought up.  I would love to see them do Green Lantern right and I have my fingers crossed for an amazing Justice League movie, but they just haven't had the creativity in their comics to get good stories off the ground.  It's just been one gimmick after another for a long time.
 
2013-07-25 11:17:40 AM
Um, did you guys actually READ the last Age of Ultron book? Cripes, that was bad.
 
2013-07-25 11:19:51 AM

Trocadero: Um, did you guys actually READ the last Age of Ultron book? Cripes, that was bad.


Just because it's CALLED Age of Ultron doesn't mean it's going to BE Age of Ultron.

Look at the Bond movies.
 
2013-07-25 11:20:37 AM

Trocadero: Um, did you guys actually READ the last Age of Ultron book? Cripes, that was bad.


Does anyone really read the shiatty crossovers?

Sure, they buy them, but do they actually read them?

No, I've read Fraction's Fantastic Four/FF, and Hawkeye, PAD's X-Factor... DC has nothing even worth considering thinking about reading.

/but why Marvel let Rick Remender turn Captain America into a shiatty sci-fi book, I'll never know.
 
2013-07-25 11:53:23 AM

FirstNationalBastard: /but why Marvel let Rick Remender turn Captain America into a shiatty sci-fi book, I'll never know.


I think they were trying to get as much separation between it and Brubaker's absolutely iconic run.

I can't get in to the current state of Marvel AT ALL. There's Hawkeye, sure, but X-Factor is ending and none of the current Avengers, X-books or other solo titles are working for me. I went from buying something like 2/3rds of Marvel's monthly titles to buying maybe four Marvel books a month.
 
2013-07-25 11:54:04 AM

mechgreg: Disposable Rob: There's gonna be something like six more Marvel movies released (four by Marvel Studios) by the time that comes out.

At least 7 by my count. Captain America 2, Thor 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers 2, X-Men Days of Future Past, The Wolverine, Amazing Spider-man 2.


You forgot Ant-Man, which I believe will be out before BvS.  Could be wrong though.
 
2013-07-25 12:01:04 PM

likefunbutnot: FirstNationalBastard: /but why Marvel let Rick Remender turn Captain America into a shiatty sci-fi book, I'll never know.

I think they were trying to get as much separation between it and Brubaker's absolutely iconic run.

I can't get in to the current state of Marvel AT ALL. There's Hawkeye, sure, but X-Factor is ending and none of the current Avengers, X-books or other solo titles are working for me. I went from buying something like 2/3rds of Marvel's monthly titles to buying maybe four Marvel books a month.


I'm still not buying anything monthly, but Hawkeye, and FF are great in trade. And, of course, the soon to be canceled X-Factor.

I won't touch anything with DC's craptacular bandaid on it.

/yeah, the best books are from Image, Dark Horse, and the rest. Dark Horse has saved Bloodhound from DC! And hopefully, Monolith will get a new series from Image soon enough since DC freed the character from their prison. And Saucer Country... I wonder where that'll land after escaping the DC Titanic?

//Oh, and is Iron Man worth reading?
 
2013-07-25 12:04:23 PM

mechgreg: Disposable Rob: There's gonna be something like six more Marvel movies released (four by Marvel Studios) by the time that comes out.

At least 7 by my count. Captain America 2, Thor 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers 2, X-Men Days of Future Past, The Wolverine, Amazing Spider-man 2.

The problem with the Batman/Superman movie is that even by 2015 the Nolan movies will still probably be pretty fresh in people's memories and a lot of people realy liked that series. So batman in this movie is going to be compared like crazy to Nolan's batman, so it better be awesome or people will hate it. Although lets face it a lot of people will just hate it anyways.


Here's where Snyder and Nolan are going to be challenged:  Superman can NOT be Batman with superpowers.  He HAS to be the yang to Batman's ying.

That's why MoS is a time bomb waiting to go off on DC/WB.
 
2013-07-25 12:05:37 PM

PizzaJedi81: Trocadero: Um, did you guys actually READ the last Age of Ultron book? Cripes, that was bad.

Just because it's CALLED Age of Ultron doesn't mean it's going to BE Age of Ultron.

Look at the Bond movies.


Joss even admitted as such:  Cool subtitle, but they're not going to adapt Bendis' clusterfark to the sequel.
 
2013-07-25 12:07:15 PM

FirstNationalBastard: //Oh, and is Iron Man worth reading?


That's a big no.

I don't think there are any Image books on my pull list. Saga left me limp and my shop doesn't carry many other non-Kirkman Image titles. I'm sure I'll pick up the new Astro City as a trade, but that's only because the publication schedule on that title tends to be erratic.

I pointedly do still read Fables and Fairest, but I steal them since I think the creator is an asshole and I don't want any of my money going to him.
 
2013-07-25 12:09:36 PM

likefunbutnot: FirstNationalBastard: //Oh, and is Iron Man worth reading?

That's a big no.

I don't think there are any Image books on my pull list. Saga left me limp and my shop doesn't carry many other non-Kirkman Image titles. I'm sure I'll pick up the new Astro City as a trade, but that's only because the publication schedule on that title tends to be erratic.

I pointedly do still read Fables and Fairest, but I steal them since I think the creator is an asshole and I don't want any of my money going to him.


Oh, yeah, Astro City is coming back. I hope Busiek's finally well enough to get that out on a regular basis.

I wish Busiek could break that out of the DC Prison and take it back to image, where it now belongs.

/Astro City as a Vertigo book... why not reprint Preacher as a Johnny DC book while they're at it?
 
2013-07-25 12:45:52 PM
   DC has been horrible ever since the Nu52. So much blame to go around. It all seemed to have started when Paul Levitz left and Diane Nelson took over. Lee and Johns are not good co-publishers and Dan DiDo is now off the leash that it seemed that Levitz had him on and is now ignoring fans wishes with glee.

The worst of it is that they hired the same team that ran Marvel into the ground in the 90's to run its editorial dept and lead writers and it shows. Its Hero's reborn and they made it stick. The books are basically 90's Marvel with Superman, Batman ect. Editorial is basically writing books. Top writers are leaving books after just a couple of issues. Its all flash and no substance. Even Grant Morrison could not make Nu-Superman work. Batman is now getting the Nu52 treatment.

My biggest problem with Man of Steel is that you really could see the fingerprints of how DC operates now all over the film. It really seems to me that the Superman/Batman movie is a desperation act then anything after the bad reviews and slightly disappointing BO from MoS. They were talking about a straight Superman sequel, Batman Reboot with a Justice League film before Man of Steel came out.

Say what you want about Disney, but they took care of Marvel and took the comic book side of the business seriously and is kicking DC's ass at the movies. DC seems to treat its books as an afterthought. And there is really not much good talent there and the movies besides The Nolan films have been bad to meh. ( Green Lantern..ugh ). Sad really that DC has turned into a corporate clusterfark while Marvel is chugging along with its books and movies. Was a DC guy now I have not read a DC book in a year.
 
2013-07-25 12:52:55 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: My biggest problem with Man of Steel is that you really could see the fingerprints of how DC operates now all over the film. It really seems to me that the Superman/Batman movie is a desperation act then anything after the bad reviews and slightly disappointing BO from MoS. They were talking about a straight Superman sequel, Batman Reboot with a Justice League film before Man of Steel came out.


That's been my argument as well.  I understand that they could not under any circumstances go back to the well of Donner; that's a non-starter.  The problem was the vision of this Superman; I mean, when "Lois & Clark" got a better vision of who Superman is than this movie, and that series was about 15 years before this movie, that raises concern AFAIC.

Say what you want about Disney, but they took care of Marvel and took the comic book side of the business seriously and is kicking DC's ass at the movies. DC seems to treat its books as an afterthought. And there is really not much good talent there and the movies besides The Nolan films have been bad to meh. ( Green Lantern..ugh ). Sad really that DC has turned into a corporate clusterfark while Marvel is chugging along with its books and movies. Was a DC guy now I have not read a DC book in a year.

Disney took the "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" approach.  Marvel Studios has printed money ever since "Iron Man", they're just taking their cut and enjoy seeing Marvel take the plaudits.
 
2013-07-25 01:03:18 PM
BTW, how poorly is MoS doing at this point?

Six weeks in it's at #15 in terms of weekend gross; compared to "The Dark Knight Rises" which was still a Top 5 grossing movie for same period of time. (Box Office Mojo)
 
2013-07-25 01:18:06 PM

Rwa2play: BTW, how poorly is MoS doing at this point?

Six weeks in it's at #15 in terms of weekend gross; compared to "The Dark Knight Rises" which was still a Top 5 grossing movie for same period of time. (Box Office Mojo)


It isn't doing Avengers level money but it made a profit and will make more on VOD/Bluray
 
2013-07-25 01:20:36 PM

Rwa2play: That's been my argument as well.  I understand that they could not under any circumstances go back to the well of Donner; that's a non-starter.  The problem was the vision of this Superman; I mean, when "Lois & Clark" got a better vision of who Superman is than this movie, and that series was about 15 years before this movie, that raises concern AFAIC.


Yeah its like no one at DC can get a grip on who Superman is. Or if they do its this guy with no personality.They should have just used Grant Morrisons All star Superman as a blueprint but now its just Superman by committee with corporate spins everywhere. " Lets make Superman tougher and Mean!, Give him more Pizazz! Lets put him in a t-shirt and boots, no, lets give him a snazzy new costume that looks cool with todays kids, ok back to boots, no" I never thought is say this but I really miss the outside underwear and no spit curl is just sacrilege. And hes just bland. As I have said. Hes now 90's Marvel

Rwa2play: Disney took the "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" approach.  Marvel Studios has printed money ever since "Iron Man", they're just taking their cut and enjoy seeing Marvel take the plaudits.


Pretty much. Marvel is now a money machine for Disney. DC is nothing more than what happens when corporate interference mucks up everything. And now they are in big creative trouble. I thought a shake up would happen after Man of Steel did not do as well as hoped and took a pummeling from the critics. I take it that they now see that there is a problem there and not the money machine it once was
 
2013-07-25 01:24:21 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: Rwa2play: That's been my argument as well.  I understand that they could not under any circumstances go back to the well of Donner; that's a non-starter.  The problem was the vision of this Superman; I mean, when "Lois & Clark" got a better vision of who Superman is than this movie, and that series was about 15 years before this movie, that raises concern AFAIC.

Yeah its like no one at DC can get a grip on who Superman is. Or if they do its this guy with no personality.They should have just used Grant Morrisons All star Superman as a blueprint but now its just Superman by committee with corporate spins everywhere. " Lets make Superman tougher and Mean!, Give him more Pizazz! Lets put him in a t-shirt and boots, no, lets give him a snazzy new costume that looks cool with todays kids, ok back to boots, no" I never thought is say this but I really miss the outside underwear and no spit curl is just sacrilege. And hes just bland. As I have said. Hes now 90's Marvel


Well, see anyone who knows what to do with Superman has been driven away by the stupidity of DC.

Morrison, Garth Ennis, Mark Waid...

The worst thing to happen to DC Comics is when WB remembered they owned a little comic book company after Disney bought Marvel.
 
2013-07-25 01:26:25 PM
DCs biggest mistake on the comics side was the New 52s.  They could have done what Marvel did with the Ultimates and preserve the old canon for their old fans, but they decided to just annihilate everything their oldest fans had grown attached to, despite the outcry.

I know more than a few fans anecdotally who have abandoned DC altogether, it doesn't help that the new 52 story lines are apparently pretty shiat.

We'll see if they can get their films up to Marvel's level.  Green Lantern is a horrible sign, and Man of Steel was decent, but no Iron Man.  The smartest thing they could do would be to let Bruce Timm manage the entire arc of their film narrative, but they already didn't and so now they're officially doing the second smartest thing they could do at best.
 
2013-07-25 01:27:06 PM

Carth: Rwa2play: BTW, how poorly is MoS doing at this point?

Six weeks in it's at #15 in terms of weekend gross; compared to "The Dark Knight Rises" which was still a Top 5 grossing movie for same period of time. (Box Office Mojo)

It isn't doing Avengers level money but it made a profit and will make more on VOD/Bluray


I won't doubt that; that'll get silly money from sales.
 
2013-07-25 01:35:50 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: Rwa2play: That's been my argument as well.  I understand that they could not under any circumstances go back to the well of Donner; that's a non-starter.  The problem was the vision of this Superman; I mean, when "Lois & Clark" got a better vision of who Superman is than this movie, and that series was about 15 years before this movie, that raises concern AFAIC.

Yeah its like no one at DC can get a grip on who Superman is. Or if they do its this guy with no personality.They should have just used Grant Morrisons All star Superman as a blueprint but now its just Superman by committee with corporate spins everywhere. " Lets make Superman tougher and Mean!, Give him more Pizazz! Lets put him in a t-shirt and boots, no, lets give him a snazzy new costume that looks cool with todays kids, ok back to boots, no" I never thought is say this but I really miss the outside underwear and no spit curl is just sacrilege. And hes just bland. As I have said. Hes now 90's Marvel


As far anyone that says "Yeah, you're just hating", I say go watch "Batman Begins" and you tell me how is that Kal-El any different from Bruce when he first put on the cape and cowl?

Rwa2play: Disney took the "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" approach.  Marvel Studios has printed money ever since "Iron Man", they're just taking their cut and enjoy seeing Marvel take the plaudits.

Pretty much. Marvel is now a money machine for Disney. DC is nothing more than what happens when corporate interference mucks up everything. And now they are in big creative trouble. I thought a shake up would happen after Man of Steel did not do as well as hoped and took a pummeling from the critics. I take it that they now see that there is a problem there and not the money machine it once was


Nah, doubt it.  MoS is at $635 Million right now; considering the low bar they set internally for MoS to succeed, they'll be pretty happy with the results.
 
2013-07-25 01:36:04 PM
DC is in for a tough time of it. Marvel has a plan, they don't.
 
2013-07-25 01:40:21 PM

FirstNationalBastard: The worst thing to happen to DC Comics is when WB remembered they owned a little comic book company after Disney bought Marvel.


That was happening well before Disney bought Marvel.  See: "Catwoman" and the last two Schumacher-made Batman movies as proof.
 
2013-07-25 01:41:45 PM

Rwa2play: FirstNationalBastard: The worst thing to happen to DC Comics is when WB remembered they owned a little comic book company after Disney bought Marvel.

That was happening well before Disney bought Marvel.  See: "Catwoman" and the last two Schumacher-made Batman movies as proof.


But they didn't interfere with the comics, put an empty-headed suit in charge of the company, and "bring it into the fold" and synergize it into DC Entertainment until Disney bought Marvel.
 
2013-07-25 01:42:35 PM
Batman vs Superman, what they imagine would happen:
www.blastr.com


static.comicvine.com
 
2013-07-25 01:43:22 PM

DMZ DEATH: Tundra6477: MayoSlather: Tundra6477: [nerdreactor.com image 720x441]

not for long

This could easily be a turd. Without Bale or Nolan, and the difficulties of making a compelling film where Batman can play a meaningful role in Superman's universe...this can turn into a steaming pile in a hurry.

granted.........but all of us will still pay to see the first one at least

They hinted at doing a Dark Knight Returns kind of vs. thing. That could be cool. Also heard that Jensen Ackles is lobbying for the roll of Batman. I think that would be a good fit.


Oh yeah?  That would be a good fit.  Not sure why, but I love Supernatural... it's like the perfect amount of demon killing and self-aware cheese.

/one of 4 men I would spoon
 
2013-07-25 01:47:47 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Rwa2play: FirstNationalBastard: The worst thing to happen to DC Comics is when WB remembered they owned a little comic book company after Disney bought Marvel.

That was happening well before Disney bought Marvel.  See: "Catwoman" and the last two Schumacher-made Batman movies as proof.

But they didn't interfere with the comics, put an empty-headed suit in charge of the company, and "bring it into the fold" and synergize it into DC Entertainment until Disney bought Marvel.


I'd argue the opposite.  The costume that Halle Berry wore was made for a XXX version of Catwoman that loved S&M.  The Schmacher movies seemingly were made because a) no one wanted to follow Burton's vision and b) people were still stuck on Adam West's Batman and his "bat-dance".

Watch that episode and tell me you don't burst out laughing when you see that shiat!
 
2013-07-25 03:21:11 PM

Dr. Whoof: mechgreg: Disposable Rob: There's gonna be something like six more Marvel movies released (four by Marvel Studios) by the time that comes out.

At least 7 by my count. Captain America 2, Thor 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers 2, X-Men Days of Future Past, The Wolverine, Amazing Spider-man 2.

You forgot Ant-Man, which I believe will be out before BvS.  Could be wrong though.


Ant-man is the fall 2015 Marvel Studios release.
 
2013-07-25 03:36:15 PM

serial arseonist: DMZ DEATH: Tundra6477: MayoSlather: Tundra6477: [nerdreactor.com image 720x441]

not for long

This could easily be a turd. Without Bale or Nolan, and the difficulties of making a compelling film where Batman can play a meaningful role in Superman's universe...this can turn into a steaming pile in a hurry.

granted.........but all of us will still pay to see the first one at least

They hinted at doing a Dark Knight Returns kind of vs. thing. That could be cool. Also heard that Jensen Ackles is lobbying for the roll of Batman. I think that would be a good fit.

Oh yeah?  That would be a good fit.  Not sure why, but I love Supernatural... it's like the perfect amount of demon killing and self-aware cheese.

/one of 4 men I would spoon


The rumors were strong coming out of Comic Con, and Ackles was even rocking a Batman shirt at some of the panels. I just got into Supernatural a few months ago. I cranked through it on Netflix. I'm completely caught up. It's officially my favorite show. Sam and Dean are the shiat. I can't wait for Oct.15.
But as far as Batman, its probably just rumor mill stuff. He did voice the Red Hood in the animated movie, so maybe he has some WB/ DC comnections.
 
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