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(Great Falls Tribune)   ProTip: Bearspray is useless when hiking if A) iTunes is blasting in your earbuds while B) your two poodles yap away about C) the dead colt they smell around the corner on the trail in D) Blackfeet Indian Reservation's bear country   (greatfallstribune.com) divider line 80
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2013-07-25 10:08:53 AM  
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E) Bears With Guns and Guitars
 
2013-07-25 10:58:24 AM  
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What Bear Country might look like.
 
2013-07-25 10:58:40 AM  
I did none of those things and I still got eaten, so Im getting a big kick out of this story.

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2013-07-25 10:59:23 AM  
Grizzly bear poop is full of little bells and smells like pepper spray?

/ dnrtfa
 
2013-07-25 11:01:20 AM  
i40.tinypic.com

/oblig
 
2013-07-25 11:01:25 AM  
She should have just let him have that picnic basket.
 
2013-07-25 11:02:50 AM  
When hiking if
 
2013-07-25 11:02:53 AM  
I hope that thing is caught and humanely put down, for the safety of society.  But leave the bear alone.
 
2013-07-25 11:03:44 AM  
Time to drink piss?

memeimages.com
 
2013-07-25 11:08:08 AM  

Glitchwerks: She should have just let him have that picnic basket.


Someone mention Picnic Backet?
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2013-07-25 11:09:04 AM  
On the day of the attack, which he said occurred either on Thursday or Friday, he saw her at about 7 a.m.

I'm guessing whichever day it was that the fisherman found her.
 
2013-07-25 11:10:09 AM  
I always question claims of carrying bear spray. Was it in a pack or was it in a holster? Did she know how to use it? So many attacks are reported where people have the stuff in the top of their packs or somewhere else inaccessible.
 
2013-07-25 11:14:00 AM  
Walburn said he had seen the woman walking her dogs before and waived.
 
2013-07-25 11:14:11 AM  
back when i was a tobacconist, i had bear spray under the counter in case of a robbery attempt or vicious inner city bear attack.

one day, i accidentally slid off my chair into the bear spray and released the whole canister.  that shiat is awful.  if i was a bear, i would probably leave some jackass alone if they had that shiat.

/ had to spend the rest of the day outside, running in and out to get stuff for people with a towel wrapped around my head.
// there were remnants of that god awful pepper smell days later.
 
2013-07-25 11:15:00 AM  
Wait just a minute...hold everything, here.  The dog was a poodle from Florida, and this gets a "Scary" tag?

/Florida tag files an appeal
 
2013-07-25 11:15:22 AM  

SlothB77: On the day of the attack, which he said occurred either on Thursday or Friday, he saw her at about 7 a.m.

I'm guessing whichever day it was that the fisherman found her.


and how long was she in the water?
 
2013-07-25 11:15:56 AM  
Bringing a poodle to a grizzly fight?  That's a mauling.
 
2013-07-25 11:16:32 AM  
Great read from a forum poster on a Glacier Park, MT (argument related to carrying guns versus pepper spray in a National Park)


"I planted the Khutzameteen grizzly bear sanctuary back in 1992. I encountered many (over 100) a black bear, up close and less then 40 feet. I never carried pepper spray or a gun. I carried a shovel, a small one (though all the edges are sharpened with a grinder, its to cut thru roots, but it is plenty sharp as a hatchet). I wouldn't want to try chopping wood with it though.
Here is what I think. Plenty of people these days seem to have forgotten, that we, humans, are the apex predators of the planet. Now the bear he understands the law of jungle. You are one of two things, you are prey, or you are predator. He can smell your fear! So first, dont be afraid, second let him know it, jump up, swear, throw rocks, bash around like its you thats gonna be doing the attacking, and he will probably hightail it outta there. If he attacks, FIGHT BACK! DO NOT RUN! You see animals know what the mountaineer knows, that he cant afford to lose a finger. Loose a finger from your glove, finger is frostbitten, cant climb with one hand, now you gonna die....all because you lost a finger of a glove! Animals know they cant afford to get hurt to get a single meal. All you gotta show it is that you can hurt it, and you are willing to do so.
Black bears just an overgrown rodent, he's a scavenger and an opportunist, he isn't a hunter and rarely makes a live kill.
Now a grizzly is a land shark, no way pepper spray is gonna stop him, tha'ts just a condiment on his lunch. I suggest 12 gauge slugs or better. If you got no gun, better get your A$$ up a tree (one he cant knock down).
But i tell you what i would be afraid of, if I saw a cougar. Cause they too are hunters, and they stalk their prey for days. If you see a cougar, hes been watching you for several hours! If you see one, chances are hes thinking about lunch. You are also very lucky, since few are ever spotted in the wild. They are beautiful cats, and if you've managed to sneak up on one, you are in a very small circle of humans.
Having said all that. People ought to be able to carry anything they want into the wild, firearms are in their rightful place in the forests. My brothers and I own two traplines in BC, I've hunted plenty in my time. People who work in the forest care more for it then anyone else. Dont be afraid to go into the woods, if 99.9% of all humans mean you no harm, the same can be said of the animals.
Don't be afraid. Never run. Use your head for more then a hat rack, its what made us the apex predators."
 
2013-07-25 11:17:11 AM  

Russ1642: I always question claims of carrying bear spray. Was it in a pack or was it in a holster? Did she know how to use it? So many attacks are reported where people have the stuff in the top of their packs or somewhere else inaccessible.


If you RTFA, they note that the bear charged her from behind as she rounded the corner.  I don't think even having the bear spray in her hand would have saved her.

Poor dog :(
 
2013-07-25 11:20:03 AM  

Russ1642: I always question claims of carrying bear spray. Was it in a pack or was it in a holster? Did she know how to use it? So many attacks are reported where people have the stuff in the top of their packs or somewhere else inaccessible.


It's best to carry two forms of spray.  First, hit with this:
cdn2.armslist.com

THEN hit it with this:
www.rei.com
 
2013-07-25 11:20:07 AM  
Was up in Denali a couple years ago and during the bear safety lecture they (National Park Rangers) said that up to 40% of Brown Bears are actually attracted to bear spray so its better to just make noise and stay out of their way.
 
2013-07-25 11:22:05 AM  
Everytime I see bear spray I think that's a great name for a gay biker bar cologne.

Not that I've been thinking about that. Much.
 
2013-07-25 11:22:18 AM  
I suspect that if it was a grizzly, she'd be dead.

FTFA: "Walburn said he had seen the woman walking her dogs before and waived. "

LOL. Spellcheck fail.
 
2013-07-25 11:23:06 AM  

clovis69: Was up in Denali a couple years ago and during the bear safety lecture they (National Park Rangers) said that up to 40% of Brown Bears are actually attracted to bear spray so its better to just make noise and stay out of their way.


100% are allergic to lead though.
 
2013-07-25 11:23:35 AM  

pute kisses like a man: back when i was a tobacconist, i had bear spray under the counter in case of a robbery attempt or vicious inner city bear attack.

one day, i accidentally slid off my chair into the bear spray and released the whole canister.  that shiat is awful.  if i was a bear, i would probably leave some jackass alone if they had that shiat.

/ had to spend the rest of the day outside, running in and out to get stuff for people with a towel wrapped around my head.
// there were remnants of that god awful pepper smell days later.


An interesting point to make is that the small pepper spray you buy for personal protection is FAR more concentrated and potent than what they put in the bear spray canisters.
 
2013-07-25 11:26:23 AM  
bear spray is no match for a grizzly.
 
2013-07-25 11:26:56 AM  

EnronX: Great read from a forum poster on a Glacier Park, MT (argument related to carrying guns versus pepper spray in a National Park)


"I planted the Khutzameteen grizzly bear sanctuary back in 1992. I encountered many (over 100) a black bear, up close and less then 40 feet. I never carried pepper spray or a gun. I carried a shovel, a small one (though all the edges are sharpened with a grinder, its to cut thru roots, but it is plenty sharp as a hatchet). I wouldn't want to try chopping wood with it though.
Here is what I think. Plenty of people these days seem to have forgotten, that we, humans, are the apex predators of the planet. Now the bear he understands the law of jungle. You are one of two things, you are prey, or you are predator. He can smell your fear! So first, dont be afraid, second let him know it, jump up, swear, throw rocks, bash around like its you thats gonna be doing the attacking, and he will probably hightail it outta there. If he attacks, FIGHT BACK! DO NOT RUN! You see animals know what the mountaineer knows, that he cant afford to lose a finger. Loose a finger from your glove, finger is frostbitten, cant climb with one hand, now you gonna die....all because you lost a finger of a glove! Animals know they cant afford to get hurt to get a single meal. All you gotta show it is that you can hurt it, and you are willing to do so.
Black bears just an overgrown rodent, he's a scavenger and an opportunist, he isn't a hunter and rarely makes a live kill.
Now a grizzly is a land shark, no way pepper spray is gonna stop him, tha'ts just a condiment on his lunch. I suggest 12 gauge slugs or better. If you got no gun, better get your A$$ up a tree (one he cant knock down).
But i tell you what i would be afraid of, if I saw a cougar. Cause they too are hunters, and they stalk their prey for days. If you see a cougar, hes been watching you for several hours! If you see one, chances are hes thinking about lunch. You are also very lucky, since few are ever spotted in the wild. They are beautiful cats, and if you've managed to sneak up on one, you are in a very small circle of humans.
Having said all that. People ought to be able to carry anything they want into the wild, firearms are in their rightful place in the forests. My brothers and I own two traplines in BC, I've hunted plenty in my time. People who work in the forest care more for it then anyone else. Dont be afraid to go into the woods, if 99.9% of all humans mean you no harm, the same can be said of the animals.
Don't be afraid. Never run. Use your head for more then a hat rack, its what made us the apex predators."


No way pepper spray is gonna stop him. Yeah right. It's only been tested countless times and used in real situations countless times already. These "bears are too badass to be affected by pepper spray" stories are getting old and lame.
 
2013-07-25 11:39:16 AM  
It is my life's ambition to one day fight a bear.
 
2013-07-25 11:42:26 AM  

El Uno Magnifico: It is my life's ambition to one day fight a bear.


Is it your ambition to fight 100 duck-sized bears, or one bear-sized duck?
 
2013-07-25 11:43:20 AM  

Russ1642: No way pepper spray is gonna stop him.


You quoted EnronX's ENTIRE comment just to say that pepper spray will work?  You know you can highlight the text you want to quote before you hit the quote button, right?
 
2013-07-25 11:44:54 AM  
Russ1642:
No way pepper spray is gonna stop him. Yeah right. It's only been tested countless times and used in real situations countless times already. These "bears are too badass to be affected by pepper spray" stories are getting old and lame.

You're entitled to your opinion.  My dad lives about 2 hours North of where this attack occurred.  The people who live in that area are in the middle of one of the highest concentration of grizzly bears on this planet. When hiking and fishing you ALWAYS carry a firearm.  The bears will get the hell out of your way if they hear you coming so most of the attacks in that area are on bow hunters who are trying to be as stealthy as possible. Surprising a sleeping bear is very bad for your health and pepper spraying his charging ass is NOT option #1.
 
2013-07-25 11:45:02 AM  

JoeyJoJo: Russ1642: No way pepper spray is gonna stop him.

You quoted EnronX's ENTIRE comment just to say that pepper spray will work?  You know you can highlight the text you want to quote before you hit the quote button, right?


Trying doing that on a mobile browser dickwad.
 
2013-07-25 11:46:35 AM  

Psycoholic_Slag: Russ1642:
No way pepper spray is gonna stop him. Yeah right. It's only been tested countless times and used in real situations countless times already. These "bears are too badass to be affected by pepper spray" stories are getting old and lame.

You're entitled to your opinion.  My dad lives about 2 hours North of where this attack occurred.  The people who live in that area are in the middle of one of the highest concentration of grizzly bears on this planet. When hiking and fishing you ALWAYS carry a firearm.  The bears will get the hell out of your way if they hear you coming so most of the attacks in that area are on bow hunters who are trying to be as stealthy as possible. Surprising a sleeping bear is very bad for your health and pepper spraying his charging ass is NOT option #1.


Scientific research be damned, you have an 'opinion'.
 
2013-07-25 11:52:21 AM  

Russ1642: Psycoholic_Slag: Russ1642:
No way pepper spray is gonna stop him. Yeah right. It's only been tested countless times and used in real situations countless times already. These "bears are too badass to be affected by pepper spray" stories are getting old and lame.

You're entitled to your opinion.  My dad lives about 2 hours North of where this attack occurred.  The people who live in that area are in the middle of one of the highest concentration of grizzly bears on this planet. When hiking and fishing you ALWAYS carry a firearm.  The bears will get the hell out of your way if they hear you coming so most of the attacks in that area are on bow hunters who are trying to be as stealthy as possible. Surprising a sleeping bear is very bad for your health and pepper spraying his charging ass is NOT option #1.

Scientific research be damned, you have an 'opinion'.


I'm not arguing with scientific research.  What I'm saying is that the people who live in that area put their trust in a large caliber firearm before a can of spray.  You go ahead and trust your pepper spray, I'll trust the opinion of the people who live among the bears for my advice.
 
2013-07-25 11:53:27 AM  

Rand's lacy underwear: El Uno Magnifico: It is my life's ambition to one day fight a bear.

Is it your ambition to fight 100 duck-sized bears, or one bear-sized duck?


forum-img.pinside.com
 
2013-07-25 11:54:26 AM  
Pitiful writing.  Typical, but still pitiful.
 
2013-07-25 11:54:54 AM  
media4.s-nbcnews.com
 
2013-07-25 11:55:03 AM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Pitiful writing.  Typical, but still pitiful.


Maybe the bear wrote it.
 
2013-07-25 11:56:25 AM  
As a former business associate of Counter Assault bear spray I can tell you that the spray flat out works.... but you have got to use it properly.  Most of the stories you hear about people who were carrying bear spray and weren't able to deter the bear were using it wrong.  I live about 30 minutes south of Glacier National Park and I have encountered numerous Grizzly and Black bears while backcountry exploring.  To this day I have not had to actually use my bear spray, thankfully... but I have taken it out of the holster and popped the safety clip a few times in order to be prepared.  When it comes to protection, unless you pack a snubnose shotgun, firearms usually aren't effective enough until at very close range.  9mm, .38 and .40 rounds are known to graze off a bear's skull when they are charging you down and the only real common handgun round that will penetrate are .45's at medium-close range.

I had a buddy of mine that was overnighting at a lake south of Glacier called Big Hawk Lake in the Jewel Basin hiking complex.  He spent two nights there at his established camp and was fishing the glacial lakes that comprise the area.  On the 2nd morning he awoke to howls and branches breaking around him.  He unzipped his tent to find cubs on the opposite side of the lake and the Sow crashing through the brush.  He emerged from his tent just wearing boxers and grabbed his .38 revolver as the Sow started to charge around the edge of the lake.  He fired 4 shots landing 3 in the face/neck and the bear didn't even slow down a beat.  My buddy looked around him and started to climb the nearest tree.  Only after he started his panic'd climb did he realize that the tree wasn't tall enough and was too thin.  The tree literally started to bend over from the weight right as the bear approached the bottom of the tree.  The Sow howled and stomped it's front feet in order to stand up and that's when my bud fired his 2nd to last round and landed a single shot right through the eye dropping the bear.  When he pulled the trigger the bear was less than foot away from his bare feet.  He gathered his camp and hiked out immediately and called Fish and Game.  Since killing a bear is a federal deal a judge in New York almost had him fined several thousand dollars for the death of the bear and would have resulted in the revocation of his gun rights.  It took serious lobbying by the local Fish and Game to get it across this numbskull in New York's head that he only fired to save his life.  Killing a Grizzly is serious business.

Bear spray works if you have the right kind.  And nobody, NOBODY, wants that crap in their face.  It really can cause permanent blindness and is literally like rubbing pounds of dry cayenne pepper in your eyes for an hour.
 
2013-07-25 11:56:39 AM  

El Uno Magnifico: It is my life's ambition to one day fight a bear.


And win?  Or just fight it?
 
2013-07-25 11:59:40 AM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: El Uno Magnifico: It is my life's ambition to one day fight a bear.

And win?  Or just fight it?


I'd prefer to win, but it's not a requirement.
 
2013-07-25 12:02:47 PM  
when you are no longer the apex predator in the area, it is wise to take precautions in order to stay above ground.
if you fail to do this, I have no sympathy for you.

better to be tried by 12 for carrying a firearm
than carried by 6 for not having one
 
2013-07-25 12:06:34 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric


Inflatable Rhetoric: Pitiful writing. Typical, but still pitiful.

Maybe the bear wrote it.


Don't forget to changes alts when responding to yourself.
 
2013-07-25 12:10:50 PM  

natas6.0: when you are no longer the apex predator in the area, it is wise to take precautions in order to stay above ground.
if you fail to do this, I have no sympathy for you.

better to be tried by 12 for carrying a firearm
than carried by 6 for not having one


Firearms are less effective than pepper spray. Sounds nuts but those are the facts.
 
2013-07-25 12:12:26 PM  
Bear spray works... the first time the bear is exposed to it, and only if it hasn't seen another bear get a faceful of it and survive. After that, the bear is trained to recognize bear spray as painful but not lethal, and getting hit with it again just makes it mad.
 
2013-07-25 12:13:11 PM  

Redroc: As a former business associate of Counter Assault bear spray I can tell you that the spray flat out works.... but you have got to use it properly.


What is the proper way to use bear spray?  I've never gone hiking in grizzly bear country, so I've never bought the stuff.

Redroc: Bear spray works if you have the right kind. And nobody, NOBODY, wants that crap in their face. It really can cause permanent blindness and is literally like rubbing pounds of dry cayenne pepper in your eyes for an hour.


I didn't know there were multiple kinds of bear spray, what are the differences?

It sounds like you might have gotten sprayed with bear spray, was that an accident or something you did for work?
 
2013-07-25 12:15:15 PM  

natas6.0: when you are no longer the apex predator in the area, it is wise to take precautions in order to stay above ground.
if you fail to do this, I have no sympathy for you.

better to be tried by 12 for carrying a firearm
than carried by 6 for not having one


Yee-haw.
 
2013-07-25 12:17:21 PM  
www.theblindcard.com
 
2013-07-25 12:17:42 PM  

Russ1642: natas6.0: when you are no longer the apex predator in the area, it is wise to take precautions in order to stay above ground.
if you fail to do this, I have no sympathy for you.

better to be tried by 12 for carrying a firearm
than carried by 6 for not having one

Firearms are less effective than pepper spray. Sounds nuts but those are the facts.


Depends on who's using either one. That is also a fact.
 
2013-07-25 12:21:09 PM  
Pepper spray works great if used properly.  Just apply like sun screen - head to toe - at least 30 minutes before hiking.
 
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