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2013-07-25 09:49:11 AM
Who approved Matthews as spokesperson? I thought we were rather clear at the last conclave that any race-wide talking head should be young, attractive, preferably female, and focus on things like "Spaceships: You're Welcome!" and "Lactose Tolerance: What Northern Ancestry Can Do For YOU!" instead of this glum animosity crap.

I'll be taking this up in a sub-committee, see if I don't.
 
2013-07-25 10:41:22 AM
Newsbusters and Chris Matthews.. that's a double Nope! thread.
 
2013-07-25 10:43:03 AM
Sorry, Tweety.  I didn't ask for you to be my spokesperson.

AH!  Fair enough!
 
2013-07-25 10:44:16 AM
To be fair, Matthews IS pretty much the whitest person on MSNBC.
 
2013-07-25 10:47:07 AM
You see, black people, this is how white people are organized.  We collectively make decisions because each of us is responsible for the actions and decisions for all of us.

I can't tell you how many times I have asked "how come the black people don't say anything when a black guy beats up a white guy?"  You need to collectively formulate a response.  I am expecting an apology in triplicate, signed and dated by the blacks.  I expect the same thing from all of the Muslims for what happened in Boston.

In addition, a weekly march titled "We Suck.  Sorry" should be conducted.  You've marched 10,000 times for Trayvon.  How about a march for that time a black guy shot a white guy?

I believe the problem is one of organization.  I suggest you hold more meetings to get your members aware of the tasks they need to accomplish.  You at least need better processes.  White people are certified ISO 9000.
 
2013-07-25 10:48:27 AM
STFU Matthews.
 
2013-07-25 10:50:21 AM

theknuckler_33: STFU Matthews.


Interesting. That tends to be the reaction in my household within the first three minutes of any Matthews-conducted "interview".
 
2013-07-25 10:51:04 AM
Chris Mathews doesn't speak for me, please people, whether your black, white, purple, green, orange (NJ.), red, polka-dotted, whatever...  Chris Mathews does not speak for me and never has or will.  I'll speak for myself.
 
2013-07-25 10:51:21 AM
Man, that thrill up the leg joke never gets old. Especially when you ignore what Matthews said about Bush and about Fred Thompson.

Now do the one about 57 states!
 
2013-07-25 10:53:03 AM
Rapmaster2000

I am expecting an apology in triplicate, signed and dated by the blacks The Black.

The one in charge, or at least the designated spokesperson. It's the least they can do.
 
2013-07-25 10:54:09 AM
YOU'REWATCHINGHARDBALL!!!
 
2013-07-25 10:58:02 AM
Yeah, because ALL white people are KKK members and neonazis, and ALL white people want to revive lynchings and race-based slavery.

Racism is evil. Self-hating racism is evil and stupid.
 
2013-07-25 10:59:35 AM
I once read a book written by Chris Matthews. I figured that a guy with his experience dealing one-on-one with famous and powerful politicians and other influential figures over a period of decades would have some interesting stories to tell. Stories that he'd rather not discuss on the air.

It was so utterly vapid, pointless, poorly written and devoid of interest that I wasn't entirely sure it wasn't parody.

The man has nothing to say. Nothing.
 
2013-07-25 11:00:37 AM
I'll bet he self-identifies as a liberal.
 
2013-07-25 11:01:06 AM
Chris Matthews a narcissist?  Who knew?
 
2013-07-25 11:01:14 AM

Tyee: Chris Mathews doesn't speak for me, please people, whether your black, white, purple, green, orange (NJ.), red, polka-dotted, whatever...  Chris Mathews does not speak for me and never has or will.  I'll speak for myself.


If you're going to be speaking for yourself, I suggest you learn the difference between "your" and "you're." Otherwise, listeners will presume that your sloppy use of language coincides with sloppy thinking.
 
2013-07-25 11:01:39 AM
The funny parts is that "NewsBusters" and its parent "Media Research Center" would be collectively slamming brown people (especially Muslims, since they're all brown, right?) for not condemning some single act by some deranged Muslim somewhere. They're only upset when the logic they use towards others is somehow adopted by Whites.
 
2013-07-25 11:06:48 AM
i.imgur.com

R.I.P.  VAGINA COAST GUARD
 
2013-07-25 11:10:44 AM

BMulligan: I suggest you learn the difference between "your" and "you're."


Thanks, I saw that mistake after I posted.  You should also chastise me for not using the always available preview function.
And thank you for helping me to realize what people will or might possibly be thinking about me because my sloppiness in written language.
You really should wear tights and a cape, maybe with a big "G" on your chest for grammar.  Then again, maybe you do.
 
2013-07-25 11:15:03 AM
Silly old man.

As for myself, maybe I have a fine mind and a good heart. Maybe I don't. I like to think I do, but that's for others to judge.

I believe everyone's due a certain base level of respect and good manners upon first meeting, so I give everyone that. I try to speak and act with the knowledge that I don't *know* anyone else's history and experiences, because one thing I *do* know is that if I whitemansplain to someone that the world works a certain way when they probably know for a fact that the world most certainly works some other way, I'll rightly be judged an arrogant idiot. I don't worry about making faux pas, if they have good hearts and fine minds they'll a.) let it slide and b.) I'll probably learn something interesting and I'll know enough not to make it again.

This strategy seems to work pretty well.

I've assumed for the last few decades that if I go around apologizing for all my fellow white people all the time, people will judge me to be a patronizing twit. The only white person I can really represent is myself.
 
2013-07-25 11:19:56 AM

Tyee: BMulligan: I suggest you learn the difference between "your" and "you're."

Thanks, I saw that mistake after I posted.  You should also chastise me for not using the always available preview function.
And thank you for helping me to realize what people will or might possibly be thinking about me because my sloppiness in written language.
You really should wear tights and a cape, maybe with a big "G" on your chest for grammar.  Then again, maybe you do.


I'm happy to help.
 
2013-07-25 11:23:27 AM
Leg tingles, huh? Do a teleprompter joke next.
 
2013-07-25 11:23:36 AM

phaseolus: Silly old man.

As for myself, maybe I have a fine mind and a good heart. Maybe I don't. I like to think I do, but that's for others to judge.

I believe everyone's due a certain base level of respect and good manners upon first meeting, so I give everyone that. I try to speak and act with the knowledge that I don't *know* anyone else's history and experiences, because one thing I *do* know is that if I whitemansplain to someone that the world works a certain way when they probably know for a fact that the world most certainly works some other way, I'll rightly be judged an arrogant idiot. I don't worry about making faux pas, if they have good hearts and fine minds they'll a.) let it slide and b.) I'll probably learn something interesting and I'll know enough not to make it again.

This strategy seems to work pretty well.

I've assumed for the last few decades that if I go around apologizing for all my fellow white people all the time, people will judge me to be a patronizing twit. The only white person I can really represent is myself.


If you consult the Procedures for the Issuance of Collective Response (TPS323), it clearly states in Section 15 that when one white person speaks all white people are speaking.  When you pull crap like this you get situations where Bill Cosby says one thing and Al Sharpton says another.  When that happens the message gets muddled and no one knows what to think.

Give me the name of your supervisor.
 
2013-07-25 11:28:47 AM
White guilt is one of the favorite hobbies of the liberal.
 
2013-07-25 11:30:06 AM

Frank N Stein: White guilt is one of the favorite hobbies of the liberal.


oi43.tinypic.com

/fark ate the picture
 
2013-07-25 11:33:33 AM
Frank N Stein

Are those people farking serious?
 
2013-07-25 11:35:26 AM

Facetious_Speciest: Frank N Stein

Are those people farking serious?


Yes, and since Liberals are a hivemind, they are representative of ALL Liberals.
 
2013-07-25 11:35:53 AM

Facetious_Speciest: Frank N Stein

Are those people farking serious?


Yes.

http://www.lifelineexpedition.co.uk/content/view/36/84/
 
2013-07-25 11:38:13 AM
Pants full of macaroni!!

Yes, and since Liberals are a hivemind, they are representative of ALL Liberals.

I think most people are smarter than that. Since liberals (whatever that means) are people...

What a bizarre, self-indulgent theatre of idiocy.
 
2013-07-25 11:38:22 AM
why hasn't someone had him comitted...?

White guilt.. that's would be funny if it weren't so farking disturbing
 
2013-07-25 11:38:42 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Facetious_Speciest: Frank N Stein

Are those people farking serious?

Yes, and since Liberals are a hivemind, they are representative of ALL Liberals.


Oh now don't act all indignant now. Go to any politics thread and you'll see Farkers rail against the Monolithic Conservative. You take your beatings, and we'll take ours.
 
2013-07-25 11:42:45 AM
That tingle running down his leg is simply a loss of bladder control. And that tard doesn't speak for me.
 
2013-07-25 11:45:49 AM

Frank N Stein: Frank N Stein: White guilt is one of the favorite hobbies of the liberal.

[oi43.tinypic.com image 519x379]

/fark ate the picture



For accuracy, the next yoke should hold an African person and an Arab.
 
2013-07-25 11:45:53 AM
I'm ok with him saying and doing that.
 
2013-07-25 11:58:43 AM
Refreshing to hear the word "Liberal" versus "SocialistCommieFacistLibtard". Doesn't help me as a Non-Liberal Democrat, but it's still refreshing.
 
2013-07-25 12:18:49 PM
So we're good then?
 
2013-07-25 12:28:38 PM
oi41.tinypic.com

This one's just silly.
 
2013-07-25 12:28:43 PM

markfara: theknuckler_33: STFU Matthews.

Interesting. That tends to be the reaction in my household within the first three minutes of any Matthews-conducted "interview".


This. He is an idiot tool.
 
2013-07-25 12:30:30 PM
I am outraged
 
2013-07-25 12:34:02 PM
Diabetic leg tingles are no goddamned joke.
 
2013-07-25 12:37:04 PM
1. Build a spaceship.
2. Tie Chris Matthews and Bill O'Reilly into the cockpit seats with ballgags on their faces.
3. Set the controls for the heart of the sun.
4. The whole f*cking planet profits!

Newsbusters still sucks.
 
2013-07-25 12:42:51 PM
I do believe that we need to have a conversation about structural, institutional racism and white privilege.

That said, apologizing doesn't mean or do anything constructive and Chris Matthews is a tool.
 
2013-07-25 12:43:23 PM
On behalf of the more than 50% of white Americans whose ancestors arrived in the US after the civil war I wish to thank you Mr Mathews!.....still don't feel a lick of guilt though
 
2013-07-25 12:51:14 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Frank N Stein

Are those people farking serious?


I can sort of understand the impetus behind it (gaining perspective and empathy and whatnot), but that still seems a bit bizarre. It reminded me of an incident several years ago, in which Colonial Williamsburg decided to hold a reenactment of a slave auction. Certain members of the black community were up in arms (as well as some whites), saying that it was a tawdry bit of exploitation for tourist cash. 

The detractors were all invited to attend and monitor the event, and they all walked away with minds changed; apparently the performers pulled no punches in the reenactment, and showed it for the horror it was. As I recall, a good number of the audience were weeping while watching it, and gained a bit of new-found understanding. A much better approach if you ask me.
 
2013-07-25 12:52:18 PM
Hey CM - where's your apology on behalf of all men?  All straight people?  I'm guessing your epiphany on the evils of racism does not extend to recognizing the evils of other prejudices.
 
2013-07-25 12:59:03 PM

captmingus: On behalf of the more than 50% of white Americans whose ancestors arrived in the US after the civil war I wish to thank you Mr Mathews!.....still don't feel a lick of guilt though


Because, as we all know, the civil war signaled THE END OF ALL RACISM, BIGOTRY, AND OPPRESSION.
 
2013-07-25 01:01:13 PM

buckler: Facetious_Speciest: Frank N Stein

Are those people farking serious?

I can sort of understand the impetus behind it (gaining perspective and empathy and whatnot), but that still seems a bit bizarre. It reminded me of an incident several years ago, in which Colonial Williamsburg decided to hold a reenactment of a slave auction. Certain members of the black community were up in arms (as well as some whites), saying that it was a tawdry bit of exploitation for tourist cash. 

The detractors were all invited to attend and monitor the event, and they all walked away with minds changed; apparently the performers pulled no punches in the reenactment, and showed it for the horror it was. As I recall, a good number of the audience were weeping while watching it, and gained a bit of new-found understanding. A much better approach if you ask me.


Don't you dare give thoughtful and reasoned reactions on the internet.
 
2013-07-25 01:01:39 PM
As an apparently white Canadian, I just like to apologise.  Chris Matthews is still clueless.

Cheers.

//Actually Metis, but I'll take any advantage I can get
//Oops, sorry about that.
 
2013-07-25 01:05:06 PM

Johnny_Whistle: captmingus: On behalf of the more than 50% of white Americans whose ancestors arrived in the US after the civil war I wish to thank you Mr Mathews!.....still don't feel a lick of guilt though

Because, as we all know, the civil war signaled THE END OF ALL RACISM, BIGOTRY, AND OPPRESSION.


Well not all oppression

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Come join the million-hoveround march!
 
2013-07-25 01:12:18 PM

Rann Xerox: 1. Build a spaceship.
2. Tie Chris Matthews and Bill O'Reilly into the cockpit seats with ballgags on their faces.
3. Set the controls for the heart of the sun.
4. The whole f*cking planet profits!

Newsbusters still sucks.


Fark you.

I want to hear their screams.
 
2013-07-25 01:13:25 PM
He was expressing disappointment that we haven't made more progress since the 60's and the strong reactions here are just evidence of a lot of work left to do.

I'll take Matthews over Trump or O'Reilly as a spokesman any day.
 
2013-07-25 01:15:11 PM

YouAreItNoTagBacks: buckler: Facetious_Speciest: Frank N Stein

Are those people farking serious?

I can sort of understand the impetus behind it (gaining perspective and empathy and whatnot), but that still seems a bit bizarre. It reminded me of an incident several years ago, in which Colonial Williamsburg decided to hold a reenactment of a slave auction. Certain members of the black community were up in arms (as well as some whites), saying that it was a tawdry bit of exploitation for tourist cash. 

The detractors were all invited to attend and monitor the event, and they all walked away with minds changed; apparently the performers pulled no punches in the reenactment, and showed it for the horror it was. As I recall, a good number of the audience were weeping while watching it, and gained a bit of new-found understanding. A much better approach if you ask me.

Don't you dare give thoughtful and reasoned reactions on the internet.


I'm sorry. I'll try to write in text-speak next time.
 
2013-07-25 01:18:27 PM

Frank N Stein: Frank N Stein: White guilt is one of the favorite hobbies of the liberal.

[oi43.tinypic.com image 519x379]

/fark ate the picture


What cocks, trying to (admittedly in vain) feel what it's like to be another person.

Personally I think that's a rather clownish exercise you posted there (and of course had it not been clownish you would not have posted it) but going full apathetic retard (aka how the US right wing would treat these issues) is a lot, lot worse.
 
2013-07-25 01:18:41 PM

BSABSVR: Man, that thrill up the leg joke never gets old. Especially when you ignore what Matthews said about Bush and about Fred Thompson.

Now do the one about 57 states!


LOL AL GORE INVENTED THE INTERNET

I'll take my Internet comedy prize now please.
 
2013-07-25 01:19:16 PM

Johnny_Whistle: captmingus: On behalf of the more than 50% of white Americans whose ancestors arrived in the US after the civil war I wish to thank you Mr Mathews!.....still don't feel a lick of guilt though

Because, as we all know, the civil war signaled THE END OF ALL RACISM, BIGOTRY, AND OPPRESSION.


I apologize for my ancestors raping and pillaging the English and Irish coastline for hundreds of years, not to mention certain French tributaries. Also for inspiring expansionism, bad German operas, lutefisk and mediocre NFL teams from the NFC North.  I love bleeding heart liberals who embrace the Sin of Omission in their desire to correct the injustices of the past.  To feel guilt you must earn it...does Johnny Whistle feel guilty for some reason?
 
2013-07-25 01:22:04 PM
Crotchrocket Slim

What cocks, trying to (admittedly in vain) feel what it's like to be another person.

Cosplay is not necessary to know that buying slaves is wrong. You either know it or you don't. I like to think most of us know it.
 
2013-07-25 01:22:17 PM
Chris Matthews is to white people as cancer is to personal growth.
 
2013-07-25 01:24:26 PM
MSNBC's Ratings Still Dropping While Fox News, CNN, HLN Enjoy Second-Quarter Boost
newsbusters.org
7/4/2013


Speaking for 'All White People,' Chris Matthews Apologizes to Black Americans for ... Something
newsbusters.org
7/19/2013


So about a 2 week interval, sounds about right, but this not the only ratings grab MSNBC has been up to in July. The entire month seems to have been devoted to news pratfalls from the various talking heads.

In fairness, it is a Newsbusters story. A site pretty much devoted to doo-doo-ing on MSNBC as a business model, so there is that too.

However, it also sounds about right for MSNBC. When the ratings drop, one or more of the news-bobble-heads will fall on the sword for the channel with some trollish, attention grabbing headline or an on-screen meltdown over some concocted outrage event with questionable relevance. MHP seems to be carrying the flag quite a bit these days with things like the "Timeshare Our Children" idea and Tampon Earrings Fashion show. In a pinch though, good ole Matthews is never one to be left on the sidelines.

Just another day ending in "y" on MSNBC: the Place For Politics News-Freak-Sideshows

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-25 01:28:24 PM

captmingus: Johnny_Whistle: captmingus: On behalf of the more than 50% of white Americans whose ancestors arrived in the US after the civil war I wish to thank you Mr Mathews!.....still don't feel a lick of guilt though

Because, as we all know, the civil war signaled THE END OF ALL RACISM, BIGOTRY, AND OPPRESSION.

I apologize for my ancestors raping and pillaging the English and Irish coastline for hundreds of years, not to mention certain French tributaries. Also for inspiring expansionism, bad German operas, lutefisk and mediocre NFL teams from the NFC North.  I love bleeding heart liberals who embrace the Sin of Omission in their desire to correct the injustices of the past.  To feel guilt you must earn it...does Johnny Whistle feel guilty for some reason?


Apparently if you're white and you talk about racism, privilege or even basic American history, you're afflicted with white guilt.  The reality is we're not scared to talk about it because we don't feel guilty.  We do however think that it's a pretty important issue that needs to be publicly addressed.  

What is it that keeps you from acknowledging the realities of racism and the legacy of slavery that exists to this day?
 
2013-07-25 01:34:04 PM

captmingus: Johnny_Whistle: captmingus: On behalf of the more than 50% of white Americans whose ancestors arrived in the US after the civil war I wish to thank you Mr Mathews!.....still don't feel a lick of guilt though

Because, as we all know, the civil war signaled THE END OF ALL RACISM, BIGOTRY, AND OPPRESSION.

I apologize for my ancestors raping and pillaging the English and Irish coastline for hundreds of years, not to mention certain French tributaries. Also for inspiring expansionism, bad German operas, lutefisk and mediocre NFL teams from the NFC North.  I love bleeding heart liberals who embrace the Sin of Omission in their desire to correct the injustices of the past.  To feel guilt you must earn it...does Johnny Whistle feel guilty for some reason?


Bloody Vikings!
 
2013-07-25 01:37:08 PM
Is Matthews married?
 
2013-07-25 01:40:02 PM

Neighborhood Watch: Is Matthews married?


I doubt it. How on earth would the priest or his fiancé have gotten the vows or an I do in without him interrupting?

badum-tish!
 
2013-07-25 01:42:03 PM
Subby is the sort of person who gives the politcs tab the shiatty reputation that it has. Now, allow me to help further that well-deserved reputation by saying "fark you, submitard."
 
2013-07-25 02:02:07 PM

YouAreItNoTagBacks: captmingus: Johnny_Whistle: captmingus: On behalf of the more than 50% of white Americans whose ancestors arrived in the US after the civil war I wish to thank you Mr Mathews!.....still don't feel a lick of guilt though

Because, as we all know, the civil war signaled THE END OF ALL RACISM, BIGOTRY, AND OPPRESSION.

I apologize for my ancestors raping and pillaging the English and Irish coastline for hundreds of years, not to mention certain French tributaries. Also for inspiring expansionism, bad German operas, lutefisk and mediocre NFL teams from the NFC North.  I love bleeding heart liberals who embrace the Sin of Omission in their desire to correct the injustices of the past.  To feel guilt you must earn it...does Johnny Whistle feel guilty for some reason?

Apparently if you're white and you talk about racism, privilege or even basic American history, you're afflicted with white guilt.  The reality is we're not scared to talk about it because we don't feel guilty.  We do however think that it's a pretty important issue that needs to be publicly addressed.  

What is it that keeps you from acknowledging the realities of racism and the legacy of slavery that exists to this day?


Forgive me I don't recall from Science class where race fits between genus phylum...I believe in homo sapiens with all there different variations.  Good and Evil I also believe in.  Evil feeds off fear.  I've walked alone in downtown DC after midnight.   I lived a bit in Mexico.  I'm not afraid of death so........Racism is spread by fear so it is evil to me.  So are those that make their living off of it.
 
2013-07-25 02:04:38 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Who approved Matthews as spokesperson?



I assumed it was the same people who told you all that Sharpton and Jackson speak for all black people.
 
2013-07-25 02:05:33 PM

YouAreItNoTagBacks: captmingus: Johnny_Whistle: captmingus: On behalf of the more than 50% of white Americans whose ancestors arrived in the US after the civil war I wish to thank you Mr Mathews!.....still don't feel a lick of guilt though

Because, as we all know, the civil war signaled THE END OF ALL RACISM, BIGOTRY, AND OPPRESSION.

I apologize for my ancestors raping and pillaging the English and Irish coastline for hundreds of years, not to mention certain French tributaries. Also for inspiring expansionism, bad German operas, lutefisk and mediocre NFL teams from the NFC North.  I love bleeding heart liberals who embrace the Sin of Omission in their desire to correct the injustices of the past.  To feel guilt you must earn it...does Johnny Whistle feel guilty for some reason?

Apparently if you're white and you talk about racism, privilege or even basic American history, you're afflicted with white guilt.  The reality is we're not scared to talk about it because we don't feel guilty.  We do however think that it's a pretty important issue that needs to be publicly addressed.  

What is it that keeps you from acknowledging the realities of racism and the legacy of slavery that exists to this day?



White guilt?
 
2013-07-25 02:06:21 PM

Graffito: Hey CM - where's your apology on behalf of all men?  All straight people?  I'm guessing your epiphany on the evils of racism does not extend to recognizing the evils of other prejudices.


I apologize Graffito, I can't speak for women...you see...I'm married so my wife would kill me.
 
2013-07-25 02:07:07 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND

I assumed it was the same people who told you all that Sharpton and Jackson speak for all black people.

I've never taken that position. You don't know me, racist champ. Smh.
 
2013-07-25 02:07:46 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: YouAreItNoTagBacks: captmingus: Johnny_Whistle: captmingus: On behalf of the more than 50% of white Americans whose ancestors arrived in the US after the civil war I wish to thank you Mr Mathews!.....still don't feel a lick of guilt though

Because, as we all know, the civil war signaled THE END OF ALL RACISM, BIGOTRY, AND OPPRESSION.

I apologize for my ancestors raping and pillaging the English and Irish coastline for hundreds of years, not to mention certain French tributaries. Also for inspiring expansionism, bad German operas, lutefisk and mediocre NFL teams from the NFC North.  I love bleeding heart liberals who embrace the Sin of Omission in their desire to correct the injustices of the past.  To feel guilt you must earn it...does Johnny Whistle feel guilty for some reason?

Apparently if you're white and you talk about racism, privilege or even basic American history, you're afflicted with white guilt.  The reality is we're not scared to talk about it because we don't feel guilty.  We do however think that it's a pretty important issue that needs to be publicly addressed.

What is it that keeps you from acknowledging the realities of racism and the legacy of slavery that exists to this day?


White guilt?


I'm sorry "guilt" only comes in one color?
 
2013-07-25 02:09:57 PM

captmingus: DROxINxTHExWIND: YouAreItNoTagBacks: captmingus: Johnny_Whistle: captmingus: On behalf of the more than 50% of white Americans whose ancestors arrived in the US after the civil war I wish to thank you Mr Mathews!.....still don't feel a lick of guilt though

Because, as we all know, the civil war signaled THE END OF ALL RACISM, BIGOTRY, AND OPPRESSION.

I apologize for my ancestors raping and pillaging the English and Irish coastline for hundreds of years, not to mention certain French tributaries. Also for inspiring expansionism, bad German operas, lutefisk and mediocre NFL teams from the NFC North.  I love bleeding heart liberals who embrace the Sin of Omission in their desire to correct the injustices of the past.  To feel guilt you must earn it...does Johnny Whistle feel guilty for some reason?

Apparently if you're white and you talk about racism, privilege or even basic American history, you're afflicted with white guilt.  The reality is we're not scared to talk about it because we don't feel guilty.  We do however think that it's a pretty important issue that needs to be publicly addressed.

What is it that keeps you from acknowledging the realities of racism and the legacy of slavery that exists to this day?


White guilt?

I'm sorry "guilt" only comes in one color?


It was a play on words because the original comment said...know what, never mind. You're right.
 
2013-07-25 02:10:56 PM

Facetious_Speciest: DROxINxTHExWIND

I assumed it was the same people who told you all that Sharpton and Jackson speak for all black people.

I've never taken that position. You don't know me, racist champ. Smh.


I thought that DRO's response was hilarious.  You sound a tad sensitive there.
 
2013-07-25 02:12:11 PM
Graffito

I thought that DRO's response was hilarious.

Why?

You sound a tad sensitive there.

That's hilarious, because I was actually mocking his "champ" and "smh" posting style. Lol.
 
2013-07-25 02:17:24 PM

YouAreItNoTagBacks: captmingus: Johnny_Whistle: captmingus: On behalf of the more than 50% of white Americans whose ancestors arrived in the US after the civil war I wish to thank you Mr Mathews!.....still don't feel a lick of guilt though

Because, as we all know, the civil war signaled THE END OF ALL RACISM, BIGOTRY, AND OPPRESSION.

I apologize for my ancestors raping and pillaging the English and Irish coastline for hundreds of years, not to mention certain French tributaries. Also for inspiring expansionism, bad German operas, lutefisk and mediocre NFL teams from the NFC North.  I love bleeding heart liberals who embrace the Sin of Omission in their desire to correct the injustices of the past.  To feel guilt you must earn it...does Johnny Whistle feel guilty for some reason?

Apparently if you're white and you talk about racism, privilege or even basic American history, you're afflicted with white guilt.  The reality is we're not scared to talk about it because we don't feel guilty.  We do however think that it's a pretty important issue that needs to be publicly addressed.  

What is it that keeps you from acknowledging the realities of racism and the legacy of slavery that exists to this day?


Check your privilege CIS scum
 
2013-07-25 02:20:28 PM
gshepnycSubby is the sort of person who gives the politcs tab the shiatty reputation that it has. Now, allow me to help further that well-deserved reputation by saying "fark you, submitard."
wordspy.com
"LOOK-THERE'S SUBBY...GET HER!"

gshepnyc: "I hope those cops all die horrible painful deaths and until then I hope they never know a single moment of happiness, not a single day where people don't treat them like the scum they are."

Not the Paradigm of Peace & Love online, are you Miss Bynes?
/You left out the Anti-ModMin Rant
//Snot ubby
 
2013-07-25 02:22:35 PM

FlyingJ: gshepnycSubby is the sort of person who gives the politcs tab the shiatty reputation that it has. Now, allow me to help further that well-deserved reputation by saying "fark you, submitard."
[wordspy.com image 300x198]
"LOOK-THERE'S SUBBY...GET HER!"

gshepnyc: "I hope those cops all die horrible painful deaths and until then I hope they never know a single moment of happiness, not a single day where people don't treat them like the scum they are."

Not the Paradigm of Peace & Love online, are you Miss Bynes?
/You left out the Anti-ModMin Rant
//Snot ubby


Was that post an attempt at communication?
 
2013-07-25 02:31:20 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Crotchrocket Slim

What cocks, trying to (admittedly in vain) feel what it's like to be another person.

Cosplay is not necessary to know that buying slaves is wrong. You either know it or you don't. I like to think most of us know it.


I see you're playing the "Aspergery obtuse jackass" game today. It would have really sucked if the whole point of my post hadn't been totally missed! Thanks!
 
2013-07-25 02:33:10 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Graffito

I thought that DRO's response was hilarious.

Why?

You sound a tad sensitive there.

That's hilarious, because I was actually mocking his "champ" and "smh" posting style. Lol.



I think I have to know I'm being mocked for it to work. Well, maybe not me but SOMEBODY other than you has to know. I wasn't even aware I had a "posting style". Now, I kind of feel like I'm being followed.
 
2013-07-25 02:33:39 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Facetious_Speciest: Who approved Matthews as spokesperson?


I assumed it was the same people who told you all that Sharpton and Jackson speak for all black people.


Sharpton and Jackson approved Matthews?
 
2013-07-25 02:35:28 PM

markfara: DROxINxTHExWIND: Facetious_Speciest: Who approved Matthews as spokesperson?


I assumed it was the same people who told you all that Sharpton and Jackson speak for all black people.

Sharpton and Jackson approved Matthews?


*Snicker*  Apparently.
 
2013-07-25 02:39:29 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Crotchrocket Slim

What cocks, trying to (admittedly in vain) feel what it's like to be another person.

Cosplay is not necessary to know that buying slaves is wrong. You either know it or you don't. I like to think most of us know it.


Yeah you'd think people would understand it's wrong up until you run into asshats that still revere the Confederate flag or say blacks were lucky to be brought here as slaves because otherwise they'd be living in Africa.
 
2013-07-25 02:40:30 PM
Speaking for all sentient beings, Chris Matthews is a loud mouth ignoramus,
 
2013-07-25 02:43:58 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Facetious_Speciest: Who approved Matthews as spokesperson?


I assumed it was the same people who told you all that Sharpton and Jackson speak for all black people.


This.  White folks seem to care much more about what those two say than black people.  Conservative whites take their word as the word of all black people and then get pissed when Pat Buchanan or Pat Robertson are treated as the spokesmen for all white Christians.

Their job is to get on camera.  Sharpton's not that bad, but Jackson's behavior during MLK's assassination is just mindblowingly AWing.  What a douche.
 
2013-07-25 02:48:40 PM

FLMountainMan: DROxINxTHExWIND: Facetious_Speciest: Who approved Matthews as spokesperson?


I assumed it was the same people who told you all that Sharpton and Jackson speak for all black people.

This.  White folks seem to care much more about what those two say than black people.  Conservative whites take their word as the word of all black people and then get pissed when Pat Buchanan or Pat Robertson are treated as the spokesmen for all white Christians.

Their job is to get on camera.  Sharpton's not that bad, but Jackson's behavior during MLK's assassination is just mindblowingly AWing.  What a douche.


Which is funny as Chris Matthews is a journalist, essentially a combination of professional attention whore and professional troll. His authority to speak for all white people is about as "solid" as Sharpton's and Jackson's to speak for all black people.
 
2013-07-25 02:53:20 PM
Crotchrocket Slim

I see you're playing the "Aspergery obtuse jackass" game today.

Wow. So in your world, only people with mental problems know that buying other people as slaves is wrong?

That's...hilarious sad.

DROxINxTHExWIND

I think I have to know I'm being mocked for it to work. Well, maybe not me but SOMEBODY other than you has to know.

Your congenital defects are not my problem. Your idiocy has been mocked before I ever came along. Smh.

Fart_Machine

Yeah you'd think people would understand it's wrong up until you run into asshats that still revere the Confederate flag or say blacks were lucky to be brought here as slaves because otherwise they'd be living in Africa.

They can say what they like and fly whatever flags they wish, we don't allow chattel slavery anymore. I know you're with me on this. People pining for those days can continue pining.
 
2013-07-25 02:54:39 PM
FLMountainMan

This.

Not "this," unless you can point out a single instance in which I took Sharpton or Jackson's word as representing everyone of African descent.

Don't agree with racist shiat you can't support.
 
2013-07-25 02:58:05 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Crotchrocket Slim

I see you're playing the "Aspergery obtuse jackass" game today.

Wow. So in your world, only people with mental problems know that buying other people as slaves is wrong?

That's...hilarious sad.


You are saying all people with Aspergers have mental problems? Bear in mind I was calling you Aspergery as you seem to not understand how normal people think, which is a common issue people with Aspergers deal with.

"Cosplaying" there isn't "necessary" to understand being a racist dick isn't acceptable but it can be helpful for some, and if you'd bother to look at the world around you, you'd see that the US still has some very terrible issues with race and with people of vastly different socioeconomic backgrounds respecting each other.
 
2013-07-25 03:02:56 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Facetious_Speciest: Crotchrocket Slim

I see you're playing the "Aspergery obtuse jackass" game today.

Wow. So in your world, only people with mental problems know that buying other people as slaves is wrong?

That's...hilarious sad.

You are saying all people with Aspergers have mental problems? Bear in mind I was calling you Aspergery as you seem to not understand how normal people think, which is a common issue people with Aspergers deal with.

"Cosplaying" there isn't "necessary" to understand being a racist dick isn't acceptable but it can be helpful for some, and if you'd bother to look at the world around you, you'd see that the US still has some very terrible issues with race and with people of vastly different socioeconomic backgrounds respecting each other.


Yeah... no. The exercise in question wasn't valuable for anything other than feeding their white guilt while (and to them this is the important part) their activity is documented for all to see.

Seriously, how does being bonded in yokes and chains while wearing a pathetically apologetic "so sorry" shirt teach one about the horrors of slavery?
 
2013-07-25 03:07:06 PM
Crotchrocket Slim

You are saying all people with Aspergers have mental problems?

An autism disorder is generally considered to be a mental problem.

Bear in mind I was calling you Aspergery as you seem to not understand how normal people think, which is a common issue people with Aspergers deal with.

Thus implying that "normal people" totally get cosplaying slaves to ameliorate their assumed guilt for things they never did? I dissent.

"Cosplaying" there isn't "necessary" to understand being a racist dick isn't acceptable but it can be helpful for some, and if you'd bother to look at the world around you, you'd see that the US still has some very terrible issues with race and with people of vastly different socioeconomic backgrounds respecting each other.

How simply can I say "buying slaves is wrong" and not have you accuse me of having mental problems? Because no matter what you say, buying human beings that have been enslaved is wrong. Period. I can't argue with you about it, because there's no argument. It's wrong. Fundamentally. If you have to play pretend for a day to realise this, I'm not the one with mental problems.
 
2013-07-25 03:12:02 PM

Frank N Stein: Yeah... no. The exercise in question wasn't valuable for anything other than feeding their white guilt while (and to them this is the important part) their activity is documented for all to see.

Seriously, how does being bonded in yokes and chains while wearing a pathetically apologetic "so sorry" shirt teach one about the horrors of slavery?


What the hell does that even mean? Why would you pretend to feel guilt about something "just to look good?" Maybe US slavery is something all Americans should feel shame about. Maybe a lot of poverty was born from that and the "free market" of charity, culture, AND labor has failed to address this.

Why don't you feel like you've benefited from living in a stable society? And what the hell kind of person are you that you would not want others to benefit the same? It's not about "poor poor black people are too victimized to ever be equal", it's about mitigating what institutional racism is still around.
 
2013-07-25 03:15:25 PM
As a White person, I'd like to apologize for Chris Matthews.
 
2013-07-25 03:21:04 PM

Facetious_Speciest: FLMountainMan

This.

Not "this," unless you can point out a single instance in which I took Sharpton or Jackson's word as representing everyone of African descent.

Don't agree with racist shiat you can't support.



You took that post incredibly personally. I said, "you all" meaning Farkers. A simple "not me" would have done the trick.
 
2013-07-25 03:22:33 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Frank N Stein: Yeah... no. The exercise in question wasn't valuable for anything other than feeding their white guilt while (and to them this is the important part) their activity is documented for all to see.

Seriously, how does being bonded in yokes and chains while wearing a pathetically apologetic "so sorry" shirt teach one about the horrors of slavery?

What the hell does that even mean? Why would you pretend to feel guilt about something "just to look good?" Maybe US slavery is something all Americans should feel shame about. Maybe a lot of poverty was born from that and the "free market" of charity, culture, AND labor has failed to address this.

Why don't you feel like you've benefited from living in a stable society? And what the hell kind of person are you that you would not want others to benefit the same? It's not about "poor poor black people are too victimized to ever be equal", it's about mitigating what institutional racism is still around.


Wow, you certainly went off on a tangent. But I'm only addressing this specific "lifeline expedition", in which you willingly subject yourself to bondage while wearing the "so sorry" t shirt. I'm sorry, but it's absolutely pathetic and the men who submitted themselves like that are no men. That's my only opinion on the matter.

I'm not sure why you decided to rant about free markets and stable societies.
 
2013-07-25 03:30:54 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND

You took that post incredibly personally. I said, "you all" meaning Farkers. A simple "not me" would have done the trick.

I'm not responsible for anyone but me. I would assume the fact that I've never done what you accused me of would be the "not me" statement, rather than having to say "not me, you're talking about people you think look like me."

Think about why I should have to say, particularly, "not me" rather than having you treat me as an individual. Then think about racism.
 
2013-07-25 03:34:59 PM

Facetious_Speciest: DROxINxTHExWIND

You took that post incredibly personally. I said, "you all" meaning Farkers. A simple "not me" would have done the trick.

I'm not responsible for anyone but me. I would assume the fact that I've never done what you accused me of would be the "not me" statement, rather than having to say "not me, you're talking about people you think look like me."

Think about why I should have to say, particularly, "not me" rather than having you treat me as an individual. Then think about racism.



Think about the irony of a Farker directing this post at ME.

/FYI, Farkers is not a race.
 
2013-07-25 03:37:58 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND

Think about the irony of a Farker directing this post at ME.

Because you're a bastion of racial harmony and lack or prejudice. Does anyone at all believe that?
 
2013-07-25 04:03:16 PM

Facetious_Speciest: DROxINxTHExWIND

Think about the irony of a Farker directing this post at ME.

Because you're a bastion of racial harmony and lack or prejudice. Does anyone at all believe that?


Stop looking for validation of your viewpoint from the peanut gallery. No, it's ironic because 99% of my posts in these threads regarding race are about how I think many black people are being unfairly characterized because of the actions of people who look like us. I like how you left out this part:

FYI, "Farkers" is not a race.
 
2013-07-25 04:06:19 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND

FYI, "Farkers" is not a race.

You're a Farker, too. Herp derp.
 
2013-07-25 04:12:49 PM

Facetious_Speciest: DROxINxTHExWIND

FYI, "Farkers" is not a race.

You're a Farker, too. Herp derp.


Exactly...champ. Which is why when I said "Farkers" you shouldn't have assumed i meant "white people". But you did.
 
2013-07-25 04:17:23 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND

Exactly...champ. Which is why when I said "Farkers" you shouldn't have assumed i meant "white people". But you did.

You didn't say "Farkers" until responding to my response to your post to me.

Look at the thread.

Prior to that, you said "I assumed it was the same people who told you..."

Who are "you?" It can't mean "Farkers," logically, as you yourself are a Farker, and I, a Farker, never held the view you accused "Farkers" of.

Think these things through. Champ. Smh.
 
2013-07-25 04:58:59 PM
fark. Chris. Matthews. I apologize to no one.
 
2013-07-25 06:47:12 PM

captmingus: Johnny_Whistle: captmingus: On behalf of the more than 50% of white Americans whose ancestors arrived in the US after the civil war I wish to thank you Mr Mathews!.....still don't feel a lick of guilt though

Because, as we all know, the civil war signaled THE END OF ALL RACISM, BIGOTRY, AND OPPRESSION.

I apologize for my ancestors raping and pillaging the English and Irish coastline for hundreds of years, not to mention certain French tributaries. Also for inspiring expansionism, bad German operas, lutefisk and mediocre NFL teams from the NFC North.  I love bleeding heart liberals who embrace the Sin of Omission in their desire to correct the injustices of the past.  To feel guilt you must earn it...does Johnny Whistle feel guilty for some reason?


Not really, no.  Just thought your statement was kinda stupid.
 
2013-07-25 07:09:45 PM

Frank N Stein: White guilt is one of the favorite hobbies of the liberal.


Hey now I am a white,male,liberal who is also a nasty racist. No phony guilt here.
 
2013-07-25 11:10:22 PM

BMulligan: Tyee: Chris Mathews doesn't speak for me, please people, whether your black, white, purple, green, orange (NJ.), red, polka-dotted, whatever...  Chris Mathews does not speak for me and never has or will.  I'll speak for myself.

If you're going to be speaking for yourself, I suggest you learn the difference between "your" and "you're." Otherwise, listeners will presume that your sloppy use of language coincides with sloppy thinking.


I suggest you shut the fark up, you grammer Nazi lib douche.
 
2013-07-26 10:37:49 AM

Facetious_Speciest: Think these things through. Champ. Smh.


What the fark is "Champ Smh?"

What vague thread of subculture are you referring to?
 
2013-07-26 10:49:04 AM
Graffito

What the fark is "Champ Smh?"

A petty mockery of another poster, same as it was yesterday.

[welcometofark.jpg]
 
2013-07-26 11:06:29 AM
I wonder why white people do this? I've seen other white folks in one forum or another issue a blanket apology for white people and it's always weird.

Mainly because, I don't want a blanket apology from white people. What I would like is not to get followed in a store. Or to not have my credit card checked with my ID when the five white people in front of me didn't have theirs checked.

I would like to walk out the door and have my neighbors speak to me and maybe even sit on my porch like they do with each other instead of regarding us with suspicion after 16 years of living here. At least they speak now. Even crazy militia guy will wave so I guess that's progress. Mainly because when his wife died my mother made a point of going to the memorial service and taking them chicken (we laughed about that).

I would like white women to stop touching my hair. I would like to listen to country music without getting stared at. I would like to go to a country music concert without worrying about being lynched or hurt. Or even a Fark party for that matter.

I would like for Fark to be less racist. But sometimes I'm glad it's not because so many white people here are really good folks and the ones who are dicks...they teach me what I'm up against when I go out into the world. This site has gone a long way to understanding how white people think and who I can trust and who I can't.

I gotta get this day started. I'm going to go out into the world and be happy today. Fark helps with that too.
 
2013-07-26 12:42:52 PM
Chris Matthews does not speak for me.

I refuse to apologize or feel guilty for something I personally did not do.  If you find an instance of my specific ancestors oppressing your specific ancestors, I will express sympathy for their plight, but do not think that I need to feel guilty or make some type of apology or reparation to you for something I did not do.  I do not care what color you are, I do not care where your ancestors came from.  If I am going to apologize, it will be because I did something, not someone dead for dozens or hundreds of years.
 
2013-07-26 01:01:56 PM
Frank N Stein Was that post an attempt at communication?

No, it was calling out a Troll Who Decried Trolling, which maybe making their point for them-so yes, Politics Tab sucks for those reasons-for your 'communication' a dog whistle...
 
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