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(Daily Mail)   Study finds that adding iodine to salt in 1924 made Americans smarter by up to 15 IQ points. In related news, elected officials still do not get enough salt in their diets   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 118
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2013-07-24 11:21:47 PM  
so the rest of the world got dumber cause they were like WTF did you add a halogen to sodium chloride
 
2013-07-24 11:23:33 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: so the rest of the world got dumber cause they were like WTF did you add a halogen to sodium chloride


Have some salt.
 
2013-07-24 11:34:09 PM  
With my understanding of the concept of IQ, if it affected everyone equally, then IQs simply remained the same, right? Is it not calculated in relation to other people, and the average is always 100?
 
2013-07-24 11:37:25 PM  

Sid_6.7: With my understanding of the concept of IQ, if it affected everyone equally, then IQs simply remained the same, right? Is it not calculated in relation to other people, and the average is always 100?


I'm not sure, but I think our bell curve has bulged to the left in recent years

/more like a large gentle ocean swell now
//getting ready to break
 
2013-07-24 11:37:56 PM  
My IQ is 134. You all know me. Tell me how you feel about that number. I think it's bullsh*t.

It's all subjective after a certain point. Those stupid f*cking questions, the puzzles, ink blots... blah blah... I honestly think they make half that sh*t up. You are either aware of your surroundings or not. I don't think we can really measure beyond that. Except for you science/math dorks. I love what you do. Just try not to kill us all.
 
2013-07-24 11:45:21 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sid_6.7: With my understanding of the concept of IQ, if it affected everyone equally, then IQs simply remained the same, right? Is it not calculated in relation to other people, and the average is always 100?

I'm not sure, but I think our bell curve has bulged to the left in recent years

/more like a large gentle ocean swell now
//getting ready to break


I would think that bell curve would look more like a cliff, with a precipitous drop somewhere around 105.
 
2013-07-24 11:47:11 PM  

NewportBarGuy: My IQ is 134. You all know me. Tell me how you feel about that number. I think it's bullsh*t.



Yeah... same range here

/the word "peers" comes to mind
//which is probably why I enjoy this place so much
 
2013-07-25 01:06:05 AM  
but watching salt makes you dumb as shiat.
 
2013-07-25 01:35:40 AM  
Correlation != causation.

I know this because of the extra iodine in my diet.
 
2013-07-25 01:44:11 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sid_6.7: With my understanding of the concept of IQ, if it affected everyone equally, then IQs simply remained the same, right? Is it not calculated in relation to other people, and the average is always 100?

I'm not sure, but I think our bell curve has bulged to the left in recent years

/more like a large gentle ocean swell now
//getting ready to break



Flatline.

/I blame fluoride
//And Rumsfeld
//And Obama
 
2013-07-25 01:52:38 AM  
But seasalt is getting to be so popular now... we better dump a bunch of iodine in the ocean!
 
2013-07-25 01:55:07 AM  

staplermofo: But seasalt is getting to be so popular now... we better dump a bunch of iodine in the ocean!


Do you think that will kelp?
 
2013-07-25 02:01:01 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Do you think that will kelp?


I was trying to find out if iodine kills Mollusks, and found instead that you might not have turned into a mutant at all if we dumped enough iodine on you.  Thanks internet!
 
2013-07-25 02:01:53 AM  

staplermofo: But seasalt is getting to be so popular now... we better dump a bunch of iodine in the ocean!


I already did. And by iodine, I mean urine.
 
2013-07-25 02:08:00 AM  

staplermofo: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Do you think that will kelp?

I was trying to find out if iodine kills Mollusks, and found instead that you might not have turned into a mutant at all if we dumped enough iodine on you.  Thanks internet!


It was the radioactive waste drums that did it

/vulnerable thyroids
 
2013-07-25 02:11:11 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It was the radioactive waste drums that did it


The American people saw the glory of professional steel drummers in the 1970s and.. well, the push to develop a domestic supply as soon as possible led to some very ugly things.  I'm sorry.
 
2013-07-25 02:15:55 AM  

staplermofo: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It was the radioactive waste drums that did it

The American people saw the glory of professional steel drummers in the 1970s and.. well, the push to develop a domestic supply as soon as possible led to some very ugly things.  I'm sorry.


I'm over it
 
2013-07-25 02:32:17 AM  
Well I'm off to McDonald's.
 
2013-07-25 02:37:22 AM  

NewportBarGuy: My IQ is 134. You all know me. Tell me how you feel about that number. I think it's bullsh*t.


Oh how I wish it were.

"think how dumb the average person with an IQ of 100 is,
and then remember that half of the world is dumber than that. "
-carlin
 
2013-07-25 02:44:14 AM  
...and that's the end of the whole mess.
 
2013-07-25 02:44:47 AM  
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have made the DM staff quite smart enough to distinguish between iodine and iodide. Not a good idea to eat too much of the former.

/This post contains iodide, a necessary nutrient.
 
2013-07-25 02:59:13 AM  
It's a farking burden with this 137 IQ. I hate talking about it, especially when people press me to talk about it. It isn't something to brag about. IQ is so arbitrary anyway, there's definitely a lot more to intelligence than some scores on some dumb test. I can't play the piano to save my life, and I have terrible vocal range. How can you compare me with someone like Mariah Carey who has an awesome set of pipes? Which of us has been served better by our innate endowments?

IQ, like age, is just a number. Just because I score high on one doesn't mean that I'm better than you. Quite the opposite. If having a lower IQ makes you work harder to achieve, I think there's quite a bit of merit in that.
 
2013-07-25 03:00:35 AM  
NewportBarGuy: It's all subjective after a certain point. Those stupid f*cking questions, the puzzles, ink blots... blah blah

I'm good at figuring out puzzles.

Which is why I'm in IT (mostly figuring out some weird bug in someone else's code) and not launching rockets or doing chemistry (I was told there would be no math).
 
2013-07-25 03:01:04 AM  
Salt contains sodium, and sodium is what your neurons use for transmission.  So yes, salt = brain fuel ... literally.
 
2013-07-25 03:02:11 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: NewportBarGuy: My IQ is 134. You all know me. Tell me how you feel about that number. I think it's bullsh*t.


Yeah... same range here

/the word "peers" comes to mind
//which is probably why I enjoy this place so much


Yes, it's self-abuse in the purest form.

Realistically speaking, IQ is a good rough estimate of how much someone will ultimately be able to do; in the same sense that a car's mpg off the showroom floor is a rough estimate. It tells you where you can start, and about where you can go; but in between there's a huge range of modifications that can be made and factors to consider. The awesomest hybrid in the world is only going to do modestly better than a well-maintained economy car if they both have to sit on the 405 in stop&go traffic day after day, even if the hybrid is "guaranteed to get 65 mpg!" and the Camry promises only 33. The trade in benefits comes when the hybrid gets to actually drive around and charge the battery that the Camry hasn't got to save gas in surface street driving.

Same way, of course anyone with an IQ of 40 will never do advanced calculus; but the difference between an IQ of 120 and 150 becomes a trade-off like the hybrid/Camry. There are people, some of them right here on Fark, who have amazingly high IQs in some areas and yet can't manage to figure out logical inferences without detailed topographic maps and a GPS; there are people with much lower IQs who nevertheless are "street smart" in ways much more intelligent people will never be able to manage. The trade comes when people are presented with stressors in their environment (social, physical or economic) and higher IQ people will tend to see more avenues of opportunity.

My opinion, of course. Your mileage, as they say, may vary.
 
2013-07-25 03:03:07 AM  
I love poop

/goes back to coloring
 
2013-07-25 03:05:42 AM  

SpikeStrip: but watching salt makes you dumb as shiat.


blog.80millionmoviesfree.com

Yeah, it was a pretty stupid movie.
 
2013-07-25 03:09:20 AM  

NewportBarGuy: My IQ is 134. You all know me. Tell me how you feel about that number. I think it's bullsh*t.

It's all subjective after a certain point. Those stupid f*cking questions, the puzzles, ink blots... blah blah... I honestly think they make half that sh*t up. You are either aware of your surroundings or not. I don't think we can really measure beyond that. Except for you science/math dorks. I love what you do. Just try not to kill us all.


It's apples to apples. A hypothetical "you" that took the same test on the same day but with more or less brainpower would have done better or worse at the test. The fact that you can't necessarily compare one person to another person isn't really relevant -- that's true of almost every kind of test imaginable -- but the fact that you and everyone else apparently do 15 points better when systemic iodine deficiency is accounted for is an enormous gain for all humanity, on the order of curing polio.
 
2013-07-25 03:14:41 AM  
Can we still laugh at asians who think iodized salt will protect them from radiation?
 
2013-07-25 03:14:58 AM  

NewportBarGuy: It's all subjective after a certain point. Those stupid f*cking questions, the puzzles, ink blots... blah blah... I honestly think they make half that sh*t up. You are either aware of your surroundings or not. I don't think we can really measure beyond that. Except for you science/math dorks. I love what you do. Just try not to kill us all.


I did puzzles and a bunch of other shiat during a psychiatric evaluation. The end result was that yes I am most definitely mentally ill.
 
2013-07-25 03:17:14 AM  
no mention of Michael Bloomberg and his advisory brain trust?

nsfw language?
 
2013-07-25 03:19:06 AM  
many american schoolchildren in the early 1900's were removed from a learning environment early on to help full time with farm chores that fed and provided income for their families. during that time HS drop out rates were also high as physical punishment was not unusual and female students were not encouraged to a rosy future where they made their own way in the world.
 
2013-07-25 03:20:01 AM  

dangelder: NewportBarGuy: My IQ is 134. You all know me. Tell me how you feel about that number. I think it's bullsh*t.

It's all subjective after a certain point. Those stupid f*cking questions, the puzzles, ink blots... blah blah... I honestly think they make half that sh*t up. You are either aware of your surroundings or not. I don't think we can really measure beyond that. Except for you science/math dorks. I love what you do. Just try not to kill us all.

It's apples to apples. A hypothetical "you" that took the same test on the same day but with more or less brainpower would have done better or worse at the test. The fact that you can't necessarily compare one person to another person isn't really relevant -- that's true of almost every kind of test imaginable -- but the fact that you and everyone else apparently do 15 points better when systemic iodine deficiency is accounted for is an enormous gain for all humanity, on the order of curing polio.


I had three test, all WISC 123, 136 and 147 with a six year and a one year gap between.  The tests are complete BS and salt had nothing to do with it.
 
2013-07-25 03:23:39 AM  

NewportBarGuy: My IQ is 134. You all know me. Tell me how you feel about that number. I think it's bullsh*t.

It's all subjective after a certain point. Those stupid f*cking questions, the puzzles, ink blots... blah blah... I honestly think they make half that sh*t up. You are either aware of your surroundings or not. I don't think we can really measure beyond that. Except for you science/math dorks. I love what you do. Just try not to kill us all.


When did you get an IQ test? I took standardized tests in elementary school, but if they did an IQ test, I didn't know about it. I'm pretty sure they didn't. Don't you do those one-on-one with a psychologist? I did take one called Stanford Binet in either 1st or 2nd grade, and I remember the teacher being excited that I was in the 99th percentile . . . which does not at all translate to any current success.
 
2013-07-25 03:23:46 AM  

Gyrfalcon: There are people, some of them right here on Fark, who have amazingly high IQs in some areas and yet can't manage to figure out logical inferences without detailed topographic maps and a GPS


I'd need a flashlight and a stick of bubblegum too.
 
2013-07-25 03:28:00 AM  

swingerofbirches: NewportBarGuy: My IQ is 134. You all know me. Tell me how you feel about that number. I think it's bullsh*t.

It's all subjective after a certain point. Those stupid f*cking questions, the puzzles, ink blots... blah blah... I honestly think they make half that sh*t up. You are either aware of your surroundings or not. I don't think we can really measure beyond that. Except for you science/math dorks. I love what you do. Just try not to kill us all.

When did you get an IQ test? I took standardized tests in elementary school, but if they did an IQ test, I didn't know about it. I'm pretty sure they didn't. Don't you do those one-on-one with a psychologist? I did take one called Stanford Binet in either 1st or 2nd grade, and I remember the teacher being excited that I was in the 99th percentile . . . which does not at all translate to any current success.


I did an IQ test in kindergarten, probably either Stanford Binet or WISC that put me right off the chart--they said my IQ was at least 165+. I took the Adult standardized when I was in the psych hospital that put me at 127, but I was so depressed that day I could barely tie my shoes (which didn't have laces). I was reading at a college level in first grade, and failed out of Algebra in my sophomore year of HS, so who knows what the hell those tests even measure.
 
2013-07-25 03:28:27 AM  
CDC says Americans still consume too much, but studies show no benefit in reducing salt
http://kfor.com/2013/07/09/cdc-admits-long-standing-error-there-is-n o- benefit-in-reducing-salt/

/oh boy .. Spam (mmmm)
 
2013-07-25 03:30:36 AM  
.. one more thing

Alex Jones sez flouride in water drops IQ by 30 points

/is that a fact
 
2013-07-25 03:38:37 AM  
www.mindhubber.com

Is stuff like this what is on a real IQ test, by the way? Or is this just cheap buttery internet nonsense?
 
2013-07-25 03:39:41 AM  

Gyrfalcon: swingerofbirches: NewportBarGuy: My IQ is 134. You all know me. Tell me how you feel about that number. I think it's bullsh*t.

It's all subjective after a certain point. Those stupid f*cking questions, the puzzles, ink blots... blah blah... I honestly think they make half that sh*t up. You are either aware of your surroundings or not. I don't think we can really measure beyond that. Except for you science/math dorks. I love what you do. Just try not to kill us all.

When did you get an IQ test? I took standardized tests in elementary school, but if they did an IQ test, I didn't know about it. I'm pretty sure they didn't. Don't you do those one-on-one with a psychologist? I did take one called Stanford Binet in either 1st or 2nd grade, and I remember the teacher being excited that I was in the 99th percentile . . . which does not at all translate to any current success.

I did an IQ test in kindergarten, probably either Stanford Binet or WISC that put me right off the chart--they said my IQ was at least 165+. I took the Adult standardized when I was in the psych hospital that put me at 127, but I was so depressed that day I could barely tie my shoes (which didn't have laces). I was reading at a college level in first grade, and failed out of Algebra in my sophomore year of HS, so who knows what the hell those tests even measure.


I took an IQ test in second grade. I don't remember what kind, or even what my score was, only that it was high enough to get me placed in "gifted" classes in elementary school, later "honors" classes through junior high and high school. The only thing I remember about the test is that the woman giving the test asked me to draw a person. I drew my best second-grade version of an astronaut wearing his bulky suit and helmet. She thought it was absolutely brilliant. I only drew the damned astronaut because I knew I really sucked at drawing faces and I thought the opaque helmet was an easy way around it.
 
2013-07-25 03:40:05 AM  
I don't want some Jewish scientist giving me advice about iodine.

I want a goiter tell me.

/ dodging tomatoes and cabbages
 
2013-07-25 03:45:18 AM  

impaler: Correlation != causation.

I know this because of the extra iodine in my diet.


Good farking god, can we stop having idiots say this in every thread about a study? Professional researchers are actually able to sort out the two.
 
2013-07-25 03:45:19 AM  

Gyrfalcon: swingerofbirches: NewportBarGuy: My IQ is 134. You all know me. Tell me how you feel about that number. I think it's bullsh*t.

It's all subjective after a certain point. Those stupid f*cking questions, the puzzles, ink blots... blah blah... I honestly think they make half that sh*t up. You are either aware of your surroundings or not. I don't think we can really measure beyond that. Except for you science/math dorks. I love what you do. Just try not to kill us all.

When did you get an IQ test? I took standardized tests in elementary school, but if they did an IQ test, I didn't know about it. I'm pretty sure they didn't. Don't you do those one-on-one with a psychologist? I did take one called Stanford Binet in either 1st or 2nd grade, and I remember the teacher being excited that I was in the 99th percentile . . . which does not at all translate to any current success.

I did an IQ test in kindergarten, probably either Stanford Binet or WISC that put me right off the chart--they said my IQ was at least 165+. I took the Adult standardized when I was in the psych hospital that put me at 127, but I was so depressed that day I could barely tie my shoes (which didn't have laces). I was reading at a college level in first grade, and failed out of Algebra in my sophomore year of HS, so who knows what the hell those tests even measure.


Hmm . . . I have psych issues myself. Maybe those tests are a good predictor of mental health issues!
 
2013-07-25 03:51:13 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I did an IQ test in kindergarten, probably either Stanford Binet or WISC that put me right off the chart--they said my IQ was at least 165+. I took the Adult standardized when I was in the psych hospital that put me at 127, but I was so depressed that day I could barely tie my shoes (which didn't have laces). I was reading at a college level in first grade, and failed out of Algebra in my sophomore year of HS, so who knows what the hell those tests even measure.


My mother was finishing up her Ph.D. in school psych when I was growing up, and she had to practice administering IQ tests. So my brothers and I were tested by one of the people in the department and then she tested us a few times to see if she was getting the same results consistently. I don't remember it, but apparently I had a lot of IQ tests growing up.

/148ish
 
2013-07-25 03:57:42 AM  
I just drank a whole bottle of iodine so I could get more smrt!
 
2013-07-25 03:58:43 AM  
I shudder to think how dumb the average American was pre-1924.
 
2013-07-25 03:59:14 AM  

Ghastly: I shudder to think how dumb the average American was pre-1924.


Couldn't say. I wasn't around back then.
 
2013-07-25 04:01:58 AM  

dangelder: [www.mindhubber.com image 192x183]

Is stuff like this what is on a real IQ test, by the way? Or is this just cheap buttery internet nonsense?


There's sequence recognition as part of the test. You can't take a real IQ test (WAIS IV) it's an oral test that's administered by a professional. Part of the test involves getting to play with blocks, which was really fun.
 
2013-07-25 04:08:09 AM  
I just eat a lot of shrimp
 
2013-07-25 04:31:24 AM  

dangelder: [www.mindhubber.com image 192x183]

Is stuff like this what is on a real IQ test, by the way? Or is this just cheap buttery internet nonsense?


Is it A?
 
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