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(Ars Technica)   The Senator who previously warned us about the NSA's secret interpretation of the Patriot Act used to track your phone calls, emails and more is now warning us that everyone's cell phone has been turned into a 24/7 tracking device   (arstechnica.com) divider line 221
    More: Followup, Patriot Act, NSA, Senate Intelligence Committee, Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, tracking system, Ron Wyden, surveillance state, Center for American Progress  
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2013-07-25 09:04:39 AM

Skleenar: I'll take that as a concession that your original point was weak.


Politics Tab Obama shill declares that it's OK for Obama to trash the Constitution, because FISA Republicans!
 
2013-07-25 09:11:19 AM
 
2013-07-25 09:19:12 AM

dustman81: dittybopper: So in reality, I've never really been *ON* the cell phone grid. They want to follow my every move, they're going to have to do it the old fashioned way.

Placing a GPS tracker on your car?


Using speeding and light cameras to process your license plate?
 
2013-07-25 09:23:10 AM

BullBearMS: Skleenar: Neither of those points are claiming that the Judicial branch doesn't have oversight.

Politics Tab Obama shill denies reality!

Film at eleven.


No, I simply read what you quoted, and noted that it did not make a claim that the Obama administration is denying Judicial oversight of domestic spying.  It's really pretty simple.

You are certainly spending a lot of time trying to conflate issues, and in a way that consistently seems calculated to try peel away liberal-leaning readers from supporting Obama.

It seems to me you are less concerned about the actual issues here than to simply drive a partisan agenda.

strange.  We rarely see that here.
 
2013-07-25 09:31:32 AM

Skleenar: You are certainly spending a lot of time trying to conflate issues, and in a way that consistently seems calculated to try peel away liberal-leaning readers from supporting Obama.


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Could you be a more obvious Obama shill of you tried?
 
2013-07-25 10:19:53 AM

dustman81: dittybopper: So in reality, I've never really been *ON* the cell phone grid. They want to follow my every move, they're going to have to do it the old fashioned way.

Placing a GPS tracker on your car?


Where I can find and remove it if I want?  Sure.  Hell, if I'm paranoid enough, they won't be able to do it without me knowing about.  In fact, because of the amount of relatively sensitive radio equipment in my car, I'd almost certainly start hearing the 'pings' bleed through my receivers if they used a real-time device.   If they used a non-transmitting recording device that they have to retrieve in order to read, well, I can *STILL* find it, and either foil it*, or drive somewhere and just toss it.

Plus, the police can only do that for a limited time without a warrant, unlike the NSA program, which can keep records of your movements for years.

Keeping a cell phone with you just makes it a lot easier for them.  Let's say you come under suspicion of aggravated mopery in the first degree.  If you have your cell phone with you all the time, really all the local police have to do is subpoena the phone company records in order to find out if you were in the area when the crime happened.  They might not even have to do that:  Some companies just go ahead and give them the information for a fee when requested.

Placing a tracker on your vehicle, on the other hand, doesn't tell them anything about where you were in the past.  It just tells them where you went starting the moment they attached it.

That's just for local law enforcement, though:  The NSA is collecting this data on a vast, unprecedented scale.

*Literally wrapping it in aluminum foil:  Wrapping it in foil would prevent the receiver from 'seeing' any GPS satellites, so it wouldn't be able to collect any position information.  Essentially, they'd get nothing.
 
2013-07-25 10:20:29 AM

fark'emfeed'emfish: dustman81: dittybopper: So in reality, I've never really been *ON* the cell phone grid. They want to follow my every move, they're going to have to do it the old fashioned way.

Placing a GPS tracker on your car?

Using speeding and light cameras to process your license plate?


Most places don't have them.  Yet.
 
2013-07-25 10:53:39 AM

BullBearMS: Could you be a more obvious Obama shill of you tried?


You know, when someone points out a factual error you make, you can:

A) Man up and admit you were in error,

or

C) Launch into personal attacks and name-calling.
 
2013-07-25 10:54:56 AM

Hollie Maea: The government is way too busy to pay any attention to where you are going.

Holy shiat! Mr. Thinks-he's-way-more-important-than-he-is went to the grocery store again!  If you are managing to get on anyone's radar, you are doing some pretty hardcore shiat.  Just think of the people you are competing with for the Government's attention.

And no, just because you are maintaining a blog about gun rights doesn't mean the government gives a shiat about you.


ya better just ignore it, i'm sure it's fine.

/is it dark with you head THAT far up there?
 
2013-07-25 10:56:14 AM

dittybopper: *Literally wrapping it in aluminum foil: Wrapping it in foil would prevent the receiver from 'seeing' any GPS satellites, so it wouldn't be able to collect any position information. Essentially, they'd get nothing.


[itsaconspiracy.jpg]

/obligatory.  No offense intended, but it's in the FARK EULA that someone has to make reference to this image macro when aluminum foil is mentioned.
 
2013-07-25 11:09:37 AM

Skleenar: You know, when someone points out a factual error


The only thing you've pointed out is that you are an incredibly butthurt Obama shill and terribly concerned that people might hold him responsible for his actions.
 
2013-07-25 11:47:10 AM

BullBearMS: Skleenar: You know, when someone points out a factual error

The only thing you've pointed out is that you are an incredibly butthurt Obama shill and terribly concerned that people might hold him responsible for his actions.


Again with the names. You really are making a strong factual case here, and are not at all undercutting your own point by character self-assassination.
 
2013-07-25 11:53:55 AM

Skleenar: BullBearMS: Skleenar: You know, when someone points out a factual error

The only thing you've pointed out is that you are an incredibly butthurt Obama shill and terribly concerned that people might hold him responsible for his actions.

Again with the names. You really are making a strong factual case here, and are not at all undercutting your own point by character self-assassination.


Go have an internet slap fight with somebody else, Obama shill.

Plonk.
 
2013-07-25 12:46:24 PM

GrymReeper: I know this is going to wrankle a few folks. What's driving all this consternation? Is it paranoia, or an inflated sense of self-importance? If you're of interest to anyone, and I mean anyone, they can find you; with or without an electronic communications device in your pocket.


It's not about finding or locating you, it's about tracking you. It's especially about them not caring who you were until today and being able to see where you have been 24/7 for the past several years and who you may have been associating with and who they associate with and where they have been.

Now that might be great if they only used it for legitimate persons of interest where the privacy and legal/Constitutional rights of all individuals (guilty and innocent alike) were respected and protected by the rule of law, but the sad reality is that such power is abused repeatedly and no real guarantees of limiting such abuse can ever be put in place.

You might not care, but the innocent guy caught in their web sure will. Won't happen? There aren't corrupt and/or incompetent prosecutors, judges, law enforcement officers, clerks and government employees? There have never been innocent people convicted of crimes or put to death?

Would those "causalities" be acceptable if it were you or one of your loved ones?

On the other hand, what if all the rules were followed and all those rights respected and a bad guy harmed you or a family member because he wasn't detected as efficiently as technology allows and those "rights"  and "rules" kept law enforcement from stopping him? Wouldn't a shortcut or two been OK?
 
2013-07-25 01:20:19 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: So if I'm not doing anything wrong, why do I need to worry?


You are doing something wrong, and if you are not now, you will be soon.
 
2013-07-25 01:24:11 PM

Hermione_Granger: Is there anyone who doesn't know that the first thing you do is ditch your cell phone and don't even think about calling any of your contacts? Seriously.


Or you go to the nearest truck stop and duct tape your cell phone to the undercarriage of an out-of-town 18 Wheeler.  Track me now b*tches.
 
2013-07-25 02:05:45 PM
So what number do I call to get them to help me find it?

/no really, I wouldn't be as pissed about this if they actually provided that as a civil service...a sort of reach-around.
//you know... like how governments are supposed to....
 
2013-07-25 02:12:29 PM

Skleenar: dittybopper: *Literally wrapping it in aluminum foil: Wrapping it in foil would prevent the receiver from 'seeing' any GPS satellites, so it wouldn't be able to collect any position information. Essentially, they'd get nothing.

[itsaconspiracy.jpg]

/obligatory.  No offense intended, but it's in the FARK EULA that someone has to make reference to this image macro when aluminum foil is mentioned.


Wrapping a radio receiver and/or transmitter in foil will prevent it from doing what it's designed to do.

I submit that if you wrap your head in foil, your head is already failing at what it's designed to do.
 
2013-07-25 02:32:31 PM

dittybopper: Wrapping a radio receiver and/or transmitter in foil will prevent it from doing what it's designed to do.

I submit that if you wrap your head in foil, your head is already failing at what it's designed to do.


You know what ELSE I wrap in foil to prevent it from doing what it's designed to do?

Although, actually, that's kind of a moot point after I put my protective headware on.
 
2013-07-25 03:53:30 PM

dittybopper: Skleenar: dittybopper: *Literally wrapping it in aluminum foil: Wrapping it in foil would prevent the receiver from 'seeing' any GPS satellites, so it wouldn't be able to collect any position information. Essentially, they'd get nothing.

[itsaconspiracy.jpg]

/obligatory.  No offense intended, but it's in the FARK EULA that someone has to make reference to this image macro when aluminum foil is mentioned.

Wrapping a radio receiver and/or transmitter in foil will prevent it from doing what it's designed to do.

I submit that if you wrap your head in foil, your head is already failing at what it's designed to do.


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2013-07-25 08:04:04 PM

boinkingbill: If you do not want to be tracked turn you cell phone off and take the battery out.


That makes deterring government tracking of civilians the civilian's responsibility.  Sure, that method might work, but it is inappropriate.  The government is overstepping it's bounds by imposing the practice in the first place.  For civilians to accept that burden is beyond slippery slope.
 
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