Wrencher: kg2095: Boloxor the Insipid: revrendjim: Just because they can do something doesn't mean they are. The government has had the ability to listen to your phone calls for more than 100 years, but they're probably not.Um, have you not been paying attention? Yes, THEY ARE. Thats the whole point of these stories. The government IS listening in on all phone calls and internet activity. Since position of your phone is part of the meta data, it is recorded too.Recorded forever.I think people don't really grasp the magnitude of whats happening. They know more about you than you do! They know more about you than you do, because they don't forget.How many people do you think the NSA would need to listen to all phone calls? How much storage space to record all of them?They don't need people, and they have plenty of storage.data center
Sgygus: HotIgneous Intruder: So if I'm not doing anything wrong, why do I need to worry?You only think you are not doing anything wrong.Politics change over time. What happens when we get tricked into voting some evil bastard into office?
LincolnLogolas: To everyone who cheered when the USA PATRIOT Act was passed, but are whining about it now that there's a Kenyan Muslin Usurper president: fark you. Anyone who supported and cheered that abortion of law deserves to be cavity searched repeatedly by FBI goons.
Sgygus: Politics change over time. What happens when we get tricked into voting some evil bastard into office?
Hollie Maea: The government is way too busy to pay any attention to where you are going.Holy shiat! Mr. Thinks-he's-way-more-important-than-he-is went to the grocery store again! If you are managing to get on anyone's radar, you are doing some pretty hardcore shiat. Just think of the people you are competing with for the Government's attention.And no, just because you are maintaining a blog about gun rights doesn't mean the government gives a shiat about you.
YouPeopleAreCrazy: No, they cannot track my cellphone.It is a seriously old clamshell dumbphone. No GPS, no WiFi. It is currently off. And the battery is probably dead. It lives in the glove compartment of my truck.Why do I still have it? No idea.
justtray: Wrencher: kg2095: Boloxor the Insipid: revrendjim: Just because they can do something doesn't mean they are. The government has had the ability to listen to your phone calls for more than 100 years, but they're probably not.Um, have you not been paying attention? Yes, THEY ARE. Thats the whole point of these stories. The government IS listening in on all phone calls and internet activity. Since position of your phone is part of the meta data, it is recorded too.Recorded forever.I think people don't really grasp the magnitude of whats happening. They know more about you than you do! They know more about you than you do, because they don't forget.How many people do you think the NSA would need to listen to all phone calls? How much storage space to record all of them?They don't need people, and they have plenty of storage.data centerStill can't store all the cell phone calls even just from the US each day. 320m calls per day of various lengths. I'm sure they can record and store a lot, but all for all of time? Nah, too much. Also, are they storing it as wave files or do they transcribe it? That's the real question. You could store that much text, easily.They just set to purge specific data though and it might be more reasonable.
HeadbangerSmurf: How the hell do you think 911 calls are tracked so they can find you when you call?
caddisfly: LoneCraneFullMoon: I already leave my phone at home when I'm out committing crimes for this very reason.Yeah. Let's leave our phones at home and go get sushi and not pay!
Frederick: HeadbangerSmurf: How the hell do you think 911 calls are tracked so they can find you when you call?Yeah. I didnt realize this until I made a 911 call several years ago for a domestic incident in front of my house. Not only did the dispatcher (or someone with the PD) call my cell back (I didnt give my number), but an officer also knocked on my door (didnt give my specific address just the block I live on).
aspAddict: CSBI have an Android phone with a couple of games on it. I get the free games, so I'm accustomed to seeing in-game ads. One day, my co-worker and I were discussing the benefits of Gorilla Glass. Later that night, the ads in my game were for Gorilla Glass.Odd, but surely a coincidence, right?A week later, we're having a party at the house and everyone is discussing their escapades of underage drinking.The next day - ads for "Help Curb Teenage Drinking" and "Think Your Teen Might Be Drinking?"Keep in mind, this wasn't anything I searched for on my phone - just things that were discussed in the vicinity of my phone while it was on standby./CSB
Sgygus: HotIgneous Intruder: So if I'm not doing anything wrong, why do I need to worry?You only think you are not doing anything wrong.
wambu: When will it end? Are they going to track track our license plates now?What?[i.imgur.com image 500x327]
jj325: That's why I pay cash for disposables
select distinct a.phone_number from nsa_cell_ping_table a where a.latitude = [latitude of your home] and a.longitude = [longitude of your home] and exists (select 'x' from nsa_cell_ping_table b where b.phone_number = a.phone_number and b.latitude = [latitude of your work] and b.longitude = [longitude of your work])
4tehsnowflakes: the House voted down the Amash-Conyers amendment to the defense appropriations bill, which would have poked a big stick in the NSA's eye
GrymReeper: What's driving all this consternation?
fark'emfeed'emfish: Why is this always about some self-aggrandizing schmuck and his overinflated ego? What if MLK Jr's every move, from his hypothetical first facebook post on through his teens and young adulthood, had been recorded? If that history could be perused and cherry picked at J Edgar's will and spun 180 million ways from Sunday... his character would have been assassinated so decisively that his dream would be nothing more than to have been buried with it.
BullBearMS: If you can't trust the Executive Branch when they create their own secret laws usurping the role of Congress, and then assert that the Judicial Branch can't rule on the legality of their actions because of national security, who can you trust?
boinkingbill: If you do not want to be tracked turn you cell phone off and take the battery out.
Skleenar: Maybe I haven't been following this closely, but hasn't the Administration's defense of their program been specifically that it was supervised by the Judicial branch (FISA)? Did I miss something?
Skleenar: Bush said outright that the Judicial branch couldn't review his programs. Unless I missed something, Obama was saying that FISA does review them. That's kind of a significant difference.
bunzer: I retired in 2007 and also retired my cell phone 5 months later when the required contract was up. I went off the smart phone grid. Every day I check the mail to see if my free government issued smart phone has arrived as I think there must be a dozen or so people assigned to me to see why I am not traceable 24/7. This stuff must drive them crazy if they can't find you at any given minute.
Skleenar: Bush said outright that the Judicial branch couldn't review his programs.
dittybopper: So in reality, I've never really been *ON* the cell phone grid. They want to follow my every move, they're going to have to do it the old fashioned way.
BullBearMS: How legit do you think a secret court whose judges are composed entirely of Republicans hand selected by Justice Roberts without any Congressional oversight is?It's rulings are secret.The only lawyer who appears before it states the government's case with no opposing counsel representing the interests of the people.The record shows that the secret court has only denied the Government in .03% of all cases before it. EVAR.Doesn't sound legit.Or do you think the Republicans should be allowed to trash the Constitution in secret without oversight from any elected official?
BullBearMS: Skleenar: Bush said outright that the Judicial branch couldn't review his programs.Obama has also said the the Judicial Branch couldn't review both his programs and Bush's programs.Friday afternoon, the Obama DOJ filed the government's Weeners to EFF's lawsuit (.pdf), the first of its kind to seek damages against government officials under FISA, the Wiretap Act and other statutes, arising out of Bush's NSA program. But the Obama DOJ demanded dismissal of the entire lawsuit based on (1) its Bush-mimicking claim that the "state secrets" privilege bars any lawsuits against the Bush administration for illegal spying, and (2) a brand new "sovereign immunity" claim of breathtaking scope - never before advanced even by the Bush administration - that the Patriot Act bars any lawsuits of any kind for illegal government surveillance unless there is "willful disclosure" of the illegally intercepted communications.In other words, beyond even the outrageously broad "state secrets" privilege invented by the Bush administration and now embraced fully by the Obama administration, the Obama DOJ has now invented a brand new claim of government immunity, one which literally asserts that the U.S. Government is free to intercept all of your communications (calls, emails and the like) and - even if what they're doing is blatantly illegal and they know it's illegal - you are barred from suing them unless they "willfully disclose" to the public what they have learned.Just as he has claimed that the Senate Intelligence Committee, which was created to have oversight on the CIA, was not allowed to know what secret law he felt allowed him to order the murder of American citizens without due process.Senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, has sent an extraordinary letter to top White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan, President Obama's choice to lead the CIA. The letter poses questions about executive power, like "How much evidence does the President need to determine that a ...
dittybopper: The head of the NSA under Obama testified to Congress that the NSA doesn't collect the metadata from everyone in the US. This was proven to be a lie by the documents that Edward Snowden leaked.
Skleenar: Neither of those points are claiming that the Judicial branch doesn't have oversight.
Skleenar: I'll take that as a concession that your original point was weak.
dustman81: dittybopper: So in reality, I've never really been *ON* the cell phone grid. They want to follow my every move, they're going to have to do it the old fashioned way.Placing a GPS tracker on your car?
BullBearMS: Skleenar: Neither of those points are claiming that the Judicial branch doesn't have oversight.Politics Tab Obama shill denies reality!Film at eleven.
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