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(Ars Technica)   The Senator who previously warned us about the NSA's secret interpretation of the Patriot Act used to track your phone calls, emails and more is now warning us that everyone's cell phone has been turned into a 24/7 tracking device   (arstechnica.com) divider line 220
    More: Followup, Patriot Act, NSA, Senate Intelligence Committee, Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, tracking system, Ron Wyden, surveillance state, Center for American Progress  
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2013-07-24 07:16:56 PM  

wee: Wait until people find out they can turn on the camera and microphone remotely, too.


I'm not paying the therapy bills for the NSA when they turn my camera on.
 
2013-07-24 07:17:34 PM  
If they like watching me faping so much they should come over and watch me in person.

Because that would hot.

They could hold the camera and help me shoot some more videos.
 
2013-07-24 07:17:48 PM  

RobertBruce: CageTurn off your damn phones.


Cheaper, just as effective.
 
2013-07-24 07:18:12 PM  

Mija: Captain Steroid: This isn't news.

Alex Jones talked about this years ago.


Yeah, and at the time everyone denounced him as a crackpot.

Funny how times change.
 
2013-07-24 07:18:27 PM  
So how about we use those hard spent tax dollars for a 'global' experiment.

What if someone organized everyone on the planet, or as many people as possible, with mobiles and ask them to do this on a select day:

1. Send text message to as many contacts as you can/want
2. The text message should contain the following text: NSA IS ____; my fav site is fark.com
3. Reply to each text with the same if you can, repeat

Then NSA could release the results and let us know exactly who's who in the Internet-sphere. I mean, it's already there, running, you might as well use the most available polling machine on earth to do something fun.

Anyone with me?
 
2013-07-24 07:22:22 PM  
The government is way too busy to pay any attention to where you are going.

Holy shiat! Mr. Thinks-he's-way-more-important-than-he-is went to the grocery store again!  If you are managing to get on anyone's radar, you are doing some pretty hardcore shiat.  Just think of the people you are competing with for the Government's attention.

And no, just because you are maintaining a blog about gun rights doesn't mean the government gives a shiat about you.
 
2013-07-24 07:25:00 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: new_york_monty: Captain Steroid: This isn't news.

That they can do this isn't really news, although it is something everyone should be aware is possible. If they are doing this without a warrant or with a blanket warrant though, that would be newsworthy. Of course I see no indications that they are doing so in the article, so I'm going to withhold my outrage for now.

Law enforcement has been obtaining cell phone location data without warrants for years.

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/warrantless-cellphone-tracking-leg al -federal-court-rules-944452

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/exclusive-what-local-cops-learn-ca rr iers-earn-cellphone-records-721604?franchiseSlug=technolog


That's a shiatty ruling. I'd be interested to see how that turns out in SCOTUS, especially in light of US v Jones and GPS tracking. I was looking to see if there has been any further action in the case you linked, but can't find anything regarding whether the case has been taken up or not.

The truth is, I am pretty outraged about the erosion of the 4th and government overreaches of the Constitution in general. I'd love to see something done about it and will be paying close attention to the subject come election time. I just didn't think the article was quite as outrage inducing as the Fark headline indicated, even if that is the implication of Wyden's speech. I get that he can't come out and say it directly, but it still seems like nothing is really going to happen unless someone does.

I like what Wyden is doing here, but I want more. I would be thrilled to see the Patriot Act go away and the government's domestic spying capabilities hamstrung by stringent warranting requirements for any type of digital snooping on Americans. And not in FISA. In a real court.
 
2013-07-24 07:28:25 PM  
Business associate: So you don't own a cell phone?
Me: Nope.

Business associate:  Why not?

Me: Would you let the government or a corporation put a microchip in your head that could track you?

Business associate:  Hell no.

Me: But you would carry one around willingly.

Business associate:  ...
 
2013-07-24 07:28:39 PM  

outtatowner: So how about we use those hard spent tax dollars for a 'global' experiment.

What if someone organized everyone on the planet, or as many people as possible, with mobiles and ask them to do this on a select day:

1. Send text message to as many contacts as you can/want
2. The text message should contain the following text: NSA IS ____; my fav site is fark.com
3. Reply to each text with the same if you can, repeat

Then NSA could release the results and let us know exactly who's who in the Internet-sphere. I mean, it's already there, running, you might as well use the most available polling machine on earth to do something fun.

Anyone with me?


Sure, but you already made a few mistakes. Eip.
 
2013-07-24 07:29:04 PM  

olddinosaur: Mija: Captain Steroid: This isn't news.

Alex Jones talked about this years ago.

Yeah, and at the time everyone denounced him as a crackpot.

Funny how times change.


A stopped brain is right twice a day. Or something.
 
2013-07-24 07:31:54 PM  

caddisfly: LoneCraneFullMoon: I already leave my phone at home when I'm out committing crimes for this very reason.

Yeah.  Let's leave our phones at home and go get sushi and not pay!



Let's not get ahead of ourselves, here.  I was thinking more along the lines of putting quarters in other people's  parking meters and jaywalking(but only when it's absolutely safe, of course).
 
2013-07-24 07:32:43 PM  

Captain Steroid: This isn't news.


I'll play. Here's the next one. Let's collect the whole set!

This is old news, so it's ok
If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, so it's ok
 
2013-07-24 07:33:55 PM  
They watch you when you're voting
They see when you're awake
They know if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake

They know where you've been shopping
They know what porn you love
They know your FICA scores now
But they're peace full as a dove

You better not snoop
You'd better not spy
You'd better not peek
I'm telling you why
Satan's claws are coming to town.
 
2013-07-24 07:34:56 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-24 07:37:11 PM  

Hollie Maea: The government is way too busy to pay any attention to where you are going.

Holy shiat! Mr. Thinks-he's-way-more-important-than-he-is went to the grocery store again!  If you are managing to get on anyone's radar, you are doing some pretty hardcore shiat.  Just think of the people you are competing with for the Government's attention.

And no, just because you are maintaining a blog about gun rights doesn't mean the government gives a shiat about you.


That is humor. I recognize that.
 
2013-07-24 07:39:27 PM  
Thanks, senator, but we all knew that already.
 
2013-07-24 07:42:36 PM  
Nobody give a shiat where you are or where you're going. They don't really care about your phone calls or emails either. But, if your doing something criminal, and are suspected, they can track the shiat out of you. Everyone else can carry on as usual.
 
2013-07-24 07:49:41 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-24 07:51:02 PM  
No, they cannot track my cellphone.

It is a seriously old clamshell dumbphone. No GPS, no WiFi. It is currently off. And the battery is probably dead. It lives in the glove compartment of my truck.

Why do I still have it? No idea.
 
2013-07-24 07:52:19 PM  
Um. Duh?
 
2013-07-24 07:52:35 PM  
I had already noticed when pulling up Google Maps that it not only showed that I was home, but it was placing the dot within 15 feet of my location inside the house (when zoomed in). Not news.
 
2013-07-24 07:54:10 PM  

HeadbangerSmurf: How the hell do you think 911 calls are tracked so they can find you when you call?


Depends on where you are; here in Philly, the 911 system doesn't have that technology.  If you can't give them a street address when you call, you're boned.
 
2013-07-24 08:01:15 PM  
What is it about governments that they must use every avenue available, and make incredible efforts to create new avenues, to know absolutely everything about its populace? Really what's the point? Nothing better to do?
 
2013-07-24 08:02:33 PM  
I'm across the street from the NSA complex in Baltimore, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2013-07-24 08:06:05 PM  
Doesn't really say anything that people with common sense don't already know. Don't what to be tracked? Keep your digital foot print to a minimum. Turn your phone off, or at least put it in airplane mode.
On a side note, why do you think broadcast tv went digital? They want you to purchase cable/satelite to track what you do in your home.
 
2013-07-24 08:06:39 PM  
It's a sad day when there is a news article confirming that the U.S. government is using our cell phones to spy on us 24/7, and the response from the population is "yeah, we know."
 
2013-07-24 08:06:59 PM  
Nothing new. Check out this article from 2006.

Only now we all have cameras too so they have video surveillance capabilities.

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029-6140191.html
 
2013-07-24 08:07:14 PM  
Awesome!
 
2013-07-24 08:09:44 PM  

olddinosaur: Mija: Captain Steroid: This isn't news.

Alex Jones talked about this years ago.

Yeah, and at the time everyone denounced him as a crackpot.

Funny how times change.


This came up a couple of months ago on Fark and I was called a Ludite, a paranoid, and an old grump. I plead guilty to the latter.
 
2013-07-24 08:10:01 PM  

queezyweezel: I was just ranting about this on Facebook......


Same here! Right after I acknowledged where I went to school. Then I posted pics of my first pet, Fluffy, and took Facebook up on their suggestion that I list my family members. I'm glad my mom includes her maiden name in her handle so people can find her.

I did that right after I Checked In at the corner cafe with the free internet.
 
2013-07-24 08:11:02 PM  

DubtodaIll: What is it about governments that they must use every avenue available, and make incredible efforts to create new avenues, to know absolutely everything about its populace? Really what's the point? Nothing better to do?


business optimization? oh wait, no, the economy sux. so that isn't it.
 
2013-07-24 08:12:19 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-24 08:13:25 PM  

wee: Wait until people find out they can turn on the camera and microphone remotely, too.


Wait 'till people find out all calls are being recorded for future search and review.
 
2013-07-24 08:17:46 PM  

utah dude: DubtodaIll: What is it about governments that they must use every avenue available, and make incredible efforts to create new avenues, to know absolutely everything about its populace? Really what's the point? Nothing better to do?

business optimization? oh wait, no, the economy sux. so that isn't it.


They are afraid. Everyone with power is afraid someone will come along and take it from them. That is why power corrupts.
 
2013-07-24 08:19:03 PM  

vudukungfu: They know what porn you love


Again, no one finds your vanilla porn to be the least bit interesting or notable.  You have to be into some pretty sick shiat to get onto some poor bureaucrat's radar.  Remember, there are 300 million Americans and you are competing with the guy who gets off watching clowns mung with partial-birth aborted fetuses.  Your secret folder of tranny porn isn't nearly as exotic as you imagine.  Honestly, if your porn is weird enough to be noticed, probably someone SHOULD keep an eye on you.
 
2013-07-24 08:21:03 PM  
So if I'm not doing anything wrong, why do I need to worry?
 
2013-07-24 08:21:40 PM  
I like Wyden more and more every day.
 
2013-07-24 08:22:10 PM  
FTA, "Wyden closed by invoking the warning of James Madison from Federalist No. 47 ("The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands [...] may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny"). He asked, "By allowing the executive to secretly follow a secret interpretation of the law under the supervision of a secret, non-adversarial court and occasional secret Congressional hearings, how close are we to James Madison's definition of tyranny?""

Ovens would have to be fired up before some would see the problem.

/Thunderous applause
 
2013-07-24 08:24:41 PM  

TFerWannaBe: That would explain why the battery doesn't last for more than 10 minutes


By Jove, I think you've got it!
 
2013-07-24 08:25:51 PM  

Hollie Maea: vudukungfu: They know what porn you love

Again, no one finds your vanilla porn to be the least bit interesting or notable.  You have to be into some pretty sick shiat to get onto some poor bureaucrat's radar.  Remember, there are 300 million Americans and you are competing with the guy who gets off watching clowns mung with partial-birth aborted fetuses.  Your secret folder of tranny porn isn't nearly as exotic as you imagine.  Honestly, if your porn is weird enough to be noticed, probably someone SHOULD keep an eye on you.


So, my hidden folder of jailbaits pics, and the videos of interracial lesbians wearing clown make-up and butt plugs designed to look like horse tails pissing into each other's mouths while calling each other racial slurs while asphyxiating their own personal gimps to the point of them passing out and then kicking them repeatedly with stiletto heel shoes really isn't going to cause any notice within the U.S. government.
 
2013-07-24 08:27:00 PM  
By the way, I should point out that I am opposed to these things on principal.  Just don't delude yourself that you could do anything to really get the government's attention without it being something way beyond what most people would be ok with doing.
 
2013-07-24 08:27:43 PM  
On the whole, I prefer a world with metrics instead of the self-annointed thumb of BS politician or expert claiming his "rule of thumb" is the best predictor there is for anything from public opinion to how soon you'll get lucky. They can stay on TV. In fact, they make a great distraction and diversion in a very serious business.

There's even the metric of 3.7 degrees of separation of two random Twitter users. That changes the playing field for Guilt by Association which is defined as 3.0 apparently.

Before grocery stores and libraries gathered and made use of data, just a few had the power to decide for many. Someone who'd been there forever had in his head what to order and when. Now there's more like an instant inventory, sometimes even you can view that at home.

It's not perfect. Of course, trying to buy catnip in a Target today was unsuccessful, even through there were three aisles of dog stuff and a 10 space for anything other than cat food. Apparently 1% of Target shoppers own cats and a real manager or committee makes decisions about cats.

Predicting danger by matching patterns and putting together millions of data points just wasn't doable before. Discovering the economies of focused enterprises of those who mean us harm are better served by technology combined with the human genius to interpret larger and larger mappings of data.

On the other hand, give a five year old a loaded gun as he walks into a day care center and you can bet someone will probably lose an eye at least.
 
2013-07-24 08:28:09 PM  

RedVentrue: utah dude: DubtodaIll: What is it about governments that they must use every avenue available, and make incredible efforts to create new avenues, to know absolutely everything about its populace? Really what's the point? Nothing better to do?

business optimization? oh wait, no, the economy sux. so that isn't it.

They are afraid. Everyone with power is afraid someone will come along and take it from them. That is why power corrupts.


so let me re-state this: business optimization, please!. because if there's no US economy left, there will be no tax dollars, and with no tax dollars no multibillion dollar NSA funding. so, please: business optimization.
 
2013-07-24 08:30:01 PM  

BullBearMS: Is it too early to start stumping for a Wyden/Warren or Warren/Wyden electoral ticket?


Why not Wyden/Udall? The Udall's are a storied western political family.
 
2013-07-24 08:32:10 PM  

RobertBruce: Cage your damn phones.


If you're going to do that, you can't get incoming calls... in which case why bother taking the phone with you at all?  Leave it at home when not using it.
 
2013-07-24 08:32:45 PM  

Great Janitor: Hollie Maea: vudukungfu: They know what porn you love

Again, no one finds your vanilla porn to be the least bit interesting or notable.  You have to be into some pretty sick shiat to get onto some poor bureaucrat's radar.  Remember, there are 300 million Americans and you are competing with the guy who gets off watching clowns mung with partial-birth aborted fetuses.  Your secret folder of tranny porn isn't nearly as exotic as you imagine.  Honestly, if your porn is weird enough to be noticed, probably someone SHOULD keep an eye on you.

So, my hidden folder of jailbaits pics, and the videos of interracial lesbians wearing clown make-up and butt plugs designed to look like horse tails pissing into each other's mouths while calling each other racial slurs while asphyxiating their own personal gimps to the point of them passing out and then kicking them repeatedly with stiletto heel shoes really isn't going to cause any notice within the U.S. government.


That's a good start, but you really are going to need to up your game.  How do goats surgically altered to look like Hello Kitty make you feel?
 
2013-07-24 08:33:18 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: So if I'm not doing anything wrong, why do I need to worry?


I'm pretty sure if you had someone go over your life in detail a good lawyer could find at least a crime or two you commit every day, the reason you think you aren't doing anything wrong is probably because you don't realize what you are doing is already a crime and that the police don't know you are doing it because they aren't aware of every detail of your activity each day, yet.  So worry or don't, but realize you have a stake in the state of our country's privacy policy.

I figure you were being sarcastic, but answering the question literally is informative as well.
 
2013-07-24 08:39:59 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: So if I'm not doing anything wrong, why do I need to worry?


It's all in how the government decides to define "wrong" and how tight law enforcement is with the for-profit prison industry.
 
2013-07-24 08:43:58 PM  

Hollie Maea: vudukungfu: They know what porn you love

Again, no one finds your vanilla porn to be the least bit interesting or notable.  You have to be into some pretty sick shiat to get onto some poor bureaucrat's radar.  Remember, there are 300 million Americans and you are competing with the guy who gets off watching clowns mung with partial-birth aborted fetuses.  Your secret folder of tranny porn isn't nearly as exotic as you imagine.  Honestly, if your porn is weird enough to be noticed, probably someone SHOULD keep an eye on you.


Do you think that information can't be used to control you? What if someone threatens to expose your tastes to your colleagues, wife, grandmother....
 
2013-07-24 08:44:17 PM  
no shiat
 
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