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(Sky.com)   A train in Spain now lies mainly all over the place near the city of Santiago de Compostela, many dead and wounded   (news.sky.com) divider line 13
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2013-07-24 09:26:29 PM  
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EddyKilowatt: Anyone know if this was a high-speed train, or just an ordinary metro or commuter?

There's kind of a raging debate in U.S. rail circles these days about the best safety practice for high speed railcars.  The Federal Rail Agency is old-school and wants 'em built like tanks, or more accurately, like body-on-frame trucks... which makes them heavy, expensive, and slow.   The other camp favors the lightweight, monocoque-with-crumple-zone approach that has worked well in passenger automobiles.   This sad accident is likely to feed into the debate...


It was a medium speed (by Spanish/European terms) train.  The Talgo train/locomotive combo in this accident was capable of up to 250kmh (155mph).  The high speed train is the AVE.

Early theory is that it overturned on the curve due to excessive speed.  Talgos already operate at higher than standard curve speeds due to their roof mounted suspension and tilting ability.

From the photos circulating the net, the carbodies look remarkably intact.  I wouldn't expect a US-spec train in the same situation to look any better.  Of course, the Talgo's curve speed is far in excess of what is even allowed in the US for ANY train.

And, US type equipment has been obliterated at speeds as low at 40mph (Chatsworth).  The real answer is not to get into an accident in the first place.  The Europeans as a whole are a LOT better at that than the US, and the Japanese are far, far better than the Europeans.
2013-07-24 08:43:08 PM  
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Crudbucket: I just finished the Camino de Santiago a couple weeks ago and I passed by that train station twice, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/great trip, but Spanish food sucks.


Say what now?

REAL paella.  97 varieties of ham.  Tapas.

What didn't you like?
2013-07-24 08:39:21 PM  
1 votes:
Anyone know if this was a high-speed train, or just an ordinary metro or commuter?

There's kind of a raging debate in U.S. rail circles these days about the best safety practice for high speed railcars.  The Federal Rail Agency is old-school and wants 'em built like tanks, or more accurately, like body-on-frame trucks... which makes them heavy, expensive, and slow.   The other camp favors the lightweight, monocoque-with-crumple-zone approach that has worked well in passenger automobiles.   This sad accident is likely to feed into the debate...
2013-07-24 08:39:02 PM  
1 votes:

walkerhound: What an antiquated mode of transportation.


You're right. It's a good thing airplanes never crash.  Oh....wait.
2013-07-24 08:37:48 PM  
1 votes:

Dwight_Yeast: Dr.Zom: "Witnesses describe a giant explosion." - BBC

Basque separatists?

They don't usually set out to kill this many all at once.


Also looks like most of the armed Basque groups have called it a day, which I did not know.

Well, I imagine whoever is responsible will have his picture on the cover of Rodante Piedrasoon enough.
2013-07-24 08:30:10 PM  
1 votes:

Dr.Zom: "Witnesses describe a giant explosion." - BBC

Basque separatists?


They don't usually set out to kill this many all at once.
2013-07-24 08:23:03 PM  
1 votes:
"Witnesses describe a giant explosion." - BBC

Basque separatists?
2013-07-24 08:07:15 PM  
1 votes:
I just finished the Camino de Santiago a couple weeks ago and I passed by that train station twice, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/great trip, but Spanish food sucks.
2013-07-24 07:35:41 PM  
1 votes:

Kazrath: GRCooper: Sickening photos. Those cars look shredded :-(

/NBC saying 40+ dead
//as if those poor folk aren't going through enough, was already depressed for them after this weeks Top Gear

That was last weeks Top Gear.  This weeks Top Gear was the Hover Van and was absolutely hilarious.

But yeah they are up over 45 now.. but at least we know it cant surpass like 200.


My bad - this weeks Top Gear in the civilized world .

/hell, I'm just glad we're no longer waiting 6 months ...
2013-07-24 07:03:26 PM  
1 votes:
If only there were a holy shrine nearby that could heal the sick, the blind, the lame, and the lepers.

/window seat
2013-07-24 07:00:27 PM  
1 votes:

Error1355: I am a terrible person that I laughed that hard at the title there.

www.lolbrary.com


If we sit together, can I have the window seat?

/Hardest I've laughed at a Fark headline in a while
//If only it came for an event that didn't kill anyone
2013-07-24 06:52:51 PM  
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: At least 35 now.


Forty according to the BBC, where this story now has priority over the nonsense about some fat Royal biatch that did a pink shiat.
2013-07-24 06:50:16 PM  
1 votes:
At least 35 now.

Too bad Zimmerman wasn't vacationing in Spain.
 
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