spman: Buying a car is a PITA. When I bought my current Hyundai Elantra a few years ago, I had to go to three dealerships before I found one that was actually willing to sell me the car without a hassle.The first two dealerships demanded a large down payment, but were not upfront about the fact that the car wasn't actually in stock, and they had no clue at all when they were getting anymore that weren't painted sky blue. Both in fact assured me that they'd be able to trade one of their ugly ass sky blue cars for a color you'd actually want, just by calling up another dealership. It took them both a month before they were finally up front with me about the fact that they weren't going to have any more in stock for a while, and it took another week after that for them to refund my down payment. I suspected that the problem was really that I wasn't financing through the dealership, and I refused all there stupid add ons, so they weren't in any real hurry to sell me anything.Also, I don't understand how people claim to get these secret deals, or get dealerships to give you huge discounts. In my experience, dealerships would just as soon tell you to pound sand than negotiate on prices. Maybe Bob's used auto lot where they finance anyone, might negotiate, but I've never had any luck at a major dealership getting anything more than an air freshener and some floor mats tossed in for free.
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