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2013-07-24 04:48:10 PM
Pffft. I'm perfectly capable of discerning between the accelerometer and the deceleratrix.
 
2013-07-24 04:48:17 PM
Because there aren't enough ads where women have to deal with lazy men to begin with
 
2013-07-24 05:02:18 PM
Huh, I must be viewed as a girl then.  I brought my best friend and my boss along when I went car shopping in March.  Then the second time around I brought a girl.

/doesn't know shiat about cars
//does know when to put in winter air into the tires
 
2013-07-24 05:17:30 PM

blatz514: I brought my best friend and my boss along when I went car shopping in March. Then the second time around I brought a girl.


I read that as "bought a girl" for a second and had to pause for a WTF? moment.
 
2013-07-24 05:45:42 PM
Buying a car is a PITA. When I bought my current Hyundai Elantra a few years ago, I had to go to three dealerships before I found one that was actually willing to sell me the car without a hassle.

The first two dealerships demanded a large down payment, but were not upfront about the fact that the car wasn't actually in stock, and they had no clue at all when they were getting anymore that weren't painted sky blue. Both in fact assured me that they'd be able to trade one of their ugly ass sky blue cars for a color you'd actually want, just by calling up another dealership. It took them both a month before they were finally up front with me about the fact that they weren't going to have any more in stock for a while, and it took another week after that for them to refund my down payment. I suspected that the problem was really that I wasn't financing through the dealership, and I refused all there stupid add ons, so they weren't in any real hurry to sell me anything.

Also, I don't understand how people claim to get these secret deals, or get dealerships to give you huge discounts. In my experience, dealerships would just as soon tell you to pound sand than negotiate on prices. Maybe Bob's used auto lot where they finance anyone, might negotiate, but I've never had any luck at a major dealership getting anything more than an air freshener and some floor mats tossed in for free.
 
2013-07-24 05:57:59 PM
My sister is awesome at buying cars.  She can be very intimidating.
 
2013-07-24 06:01:09 PM
Hell, I just bought a car. By myself (I'm a small woman). The finance guy was not happy with me by the end. So either he is a consummate actor, or I didn't get screwed too badly. (shrug)

And he was not at all subtle. He basically told me several times I was an idiot. But since I don't give a fark what other people think of me anymore, that shiat didn't work.

Probably helped that it was nearly closing time on a Thursday and I was the only customer in the place.
 
2013-07-24 06:05:27 PM
ikoupon.com
 
2013-07-24 06:06:08 PM

spman: Buying a car is a PITA


Perhaps, but technique helps. Go through a site such as Edmunds and have multiple dealers email you offers on your car(s) of interest through their Internet/fleet sales staff. Let each know you're cross shopping not just dealers, but make of car. You can cut out 90% of the bullshiat this way.

/negotiated last 2 cars over email
 
2013-07-24 06:06:10 PM
TrueCar is catching heat for an ad that implies women lack the skills and confidence to buy a car without a man present

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWCGWI5c4nQ">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=zWCGWI5c4nQ
 
2013-07-24 06:06:11 PM
miss diminutive
Pffft. I'm perfectly capable of discerning between the accelerometer and the deceleratrix.


The deceleratrix will cost extra.
 
2013-07-24 06:09:50 PM
Be sure to spring for the degaussing on the turboencabulator.
 
2013-07-24 06:10:13 PM
Just ask these guys:

www.blogcdn.com
 
2013-07-24 06:10:46 PM
Shiat, I know nothing about buying a car. I rent cars though Zipcar but the first time I need to buy a car, I'm starting with Truecar.
 
2013-07-24 06:11:47 PM
Do people submit stories anymore or are they all auto greened by the partner sites? I've never had TF but i don't see what you could possibly be paying for.
 
2013-07-24 06:12:16 PM
I've seen the commercial a couple of times and was like "oh, that's gonna go over REAL well with the women".....especially the part where the girl says something like "I don't need a dude to help me buy a car now" or something to that effect.

/dumbasses
 
2013-07-24 06:12:34 PM
It sounds like it might be handy, as women are generally terrible at negotiating due to be trained from birth to be "nice." I tend to bring a guy along and keep quiet, and then I get a good deal, generally.
 
2013-07-24 06:13:38 PM
77% of women were offended by the ad. That same 77% is still smart enough to bring a guy with them anyways.
 
2013-07-24 06:14:56 PM

blatz514: Huh, I must be viewed as a girl then.  I brought my best friend and my boss along when I went car shopping in March.  Then the second time around I brought a girl.

/doesn't know shiat about cars
//does know when to put in winter air into the tires


Winter air? You've been scammed. LOL.
 
2013-07-24 06:16:11 PM
"As a man, you're [sic] commercials embarrass me," posted a man. "The notion that women need a 'dude' to navigate the apparent labyrinth that is the automotive market is not only incorrect, its out-dated and offensive ... It is possible to appeal to one gender without degrading another."

a woman would've used better grandma.
 
2013-07-24 06:20:09 PM

Russ1642: blatz514: Huh, I must be viewed as a girl then.  I brought my best friend and my boss along when I went car shopping in March.  Then the second time around I brought a girl.

/doesn't know shiat about cars
//does know when to put in winter air into the tires

Winter air? You've been scammed. LOL.


Totally! If you use spring or fall air you can run the same air all year and no screwing around paying premium price for winter and summer air.
 
2013-07-24 06:20:30 PM
Well, it's true,   As a solo woman trying to buy a car I've had some horrible experiences.  I was once physically surrounded by some very large sales guys (I'm 5 foot 2 inches) who were trying to prevent me to leave a showroom.  I had left the tiny sales/consulting cubicle because the sales guy was taking too long and I was just tired and miserable from waiting.   They asked to make a copy of my driver's license so that I could take home a loaner for the weekend.  I said "No,"  Short version, I made a run for the parking lot, jumped into my old reliable and peeled out.  I found a local mall where I walked around for about an hour until I could stop shaking with sheer terror.  Dealership later closed due to "irregularities in ethics."

Fast forward several years and I needed a new vehicle.  I stuffed a folder with printouts from Carfax (thanks Click and Clack) and made the rounds.  Sales people really seem to hate Carfax.   Each time the sales person tried to make me wait in their cubicle, I walked out after 7  minutes (I just like the number).  Eventually I bought from CarMax, which was a good experience.
 
2013-07-24 06:22:26 PM
Research what you want, how much it's worth, and what you want to pay. If you're buying brand new go in at the end of the month.
 
2013-07-24 06:23:35 PM

EnglishMajor: I was once physically surrounded by some very large sales guys (I'm 5 foot 2 inches) who were trying to prevent me to leave a showroom.


What?! That's scary! Are you sure you weren't on fire and they were just trying to put it out?
 
2013-07-24 06:25:17 PM

JesseL: Be sure to spring for the degaussing on the turboencabulator.


Is that what the Brits call the piston torque modulator?
 
2013-07-24 06:25:34 PM

garumph: Russ1642: blatz514: Huh, I must be viewed as a girl then.  I brought my best friend and my boss along when I went car shopping in March.  Then the second time around I brought a girl.

/doesn't know shiat about cars
//does know when to put in winter air into the tires

Winter air? You've been scammed. LOL.

Totally! If you use spring or fall air you can run the same air all year and no screwing around paying premium price for winter and summer air.


I fill my tires with a carefully controlled mix of 80% nitrogen and 20% oxygen.
 
2013-07-24 06:25:55 PM
<i>What?! That's scary! Are you sure you weren't on fire and they were just trying to put it out? </i>

In their dreams.
 
2013-07-24 06:27:50 PM
way to go business pro.  way to go
 
2013-07-24 06:29:44 PM
Buying the car is easy. The hard part for chicks is driving the car.
 
2013-07-24 06:34:05 PM
Wait, women can drive now? Since when? I always thought what looked like women drivers were just hippies, beatniks, and curiously strange men.
 
2013-07-24 06:34:14 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-24 06:35:51 PM
Broke Back Mountain
 
2013-07-24 06:42:21 PM

Pointy Tail of Satan: Wait, women can drive now? Since when? I always thought what looked like women drivers were just hippies, beatniks, and curiously strange men.


Yeah, some clever but foolish person invented the "automatic" transmission, and it's all gone downhill ever since.
 
2013-07-24 06:46:44 PM

Russ1642: garumph: Russ1642: blatz514: Huh, I must be viewed as a girl then.  I brought my best friend and my boss along when I went car shopping in March.  Then the second time around I brought a girl.

/doesn't know shiat about cars
//does know when to put in winter air into the tires

Winter air? You've been scammed. LOL.

Totally! If you use spring or fall air you can run the same air all year and no screwing around paying premium price for winter and summer air.

I fill my tires with a carefully controlled mix of 80% nitrogen and 20% oxygen.


I was told if you use helium, you can just float over the road.
 
Ant
2013-07-24 06:47:59 PM

miss diminutive: Pffft. I'm perfectly capable of discerning between the accelerometer and the deceleratrix.


But do you know your hogshead to furlong specs?
 
2013-07-24 06:48:06 PM

Vector R: It sounds like it might be handy, as women are generally terrible at negotiating due to be trained from birth to be "nice." I tend to bring a guy along and keep quiet, and then I get a good deal, generally.


s2.wallippo.com

Sometimes, what you wear can make a world of difference in negotiations.
 
2013-07-24 06:48:49 PM

EnglishMajor: Well, it's true,   As a solo woman trying to buy a car I've had some horrible experiences.  I was once physically surrounded by some very large sales guys (I'm 5 foot 2 inches) who were trying to prevent me to leave a showroom.  I had left the tiny sales/consulting cubicle because the sales guy was taking too long and I was just tired and miserable from waiting.   They asked to make a copy of my driver's license so that I could take home a loaner for the weekend.  I said "No,"  Short version, I made a run for the parking lot, jumped into my old reliable and peeled out.  I found a local mall where I walked around for about an hour until I could stop shaking with sheer terror.  Dealership later closed due to "irregularities in ethics."

Fast forward several years and I needed a new vehicle.  I stuffed a folder with printouts from Carfax (thanks Click and Clack) and made the rounds.  Sales people really seem to hate Carfax.   Each time the sales person tried to make me wait in their cubicle, I walked out after 7  minutes (I just like the number).  Eventually I bought from CarMax, which was a good experience.


Well you should have been a math major instead.  Then you could whip out a compass and a protractor and cut through their ranks in bloody precision.
 
2013-07-24 06:50:50 PM

Bawdy George: spman: Buying a car is a PITA

Perhaps, but technique helps. Go through a site such as Edmunds and have multiple dealers email you offers on your car(s) of interest through their Internet/fleet sales staff. Let each know you're cross shopping not just dealers, but make of car. You can cut out 90% of the bullshiat this way.

/negotiated last 2 cars over email


I cut out a bunch of the bullshiat by doing that same thing, then when I actually walked in to the dealership I took my financial calculator out and used it to double check their quotes on APR (before and after they tried the add-ons) and payments. One dealer insisted that they were giving me a certain APR but their payment schedule actually was about 40 basis points higher.
 
2013-07-24 06:52:39 PM

Ant: miss diminutive: Pffft. I'm perfectly capable of discerning between the accelerometer and the deceleratrix.

But do you know your hogshead to furlong specs?


I know OF them.
 
2013-07-24 06:54:07 PM

Russ1642: garumph: Russ1642: blatz514: Huh, I must be viewed as a girl then.  I brought my best friend and my boss along when I went car shopping in March.  Then the second time around I brought a girl.

/doesn't know shiat about cars
//does know when to put in winter air into the tires

Winter air? You've been scammed. LOL.

Totally! If you use spring or fall air you can run the same air all year and no screwing around paying premium price for winter and summer air.

I fill my tires with a carefully controlled mix of 80% nitrogen and 20% oxygen.


Don't be afraid to pay a little extra for the "premium" headlight fluid.
 
2013-07-24 06:58:29 PM
I went car shopping a few weeks ago, and the process was so disheartening I decided I'd just stick with the car I have until I have time to drive to Phoenix and try another dealer. There's only one dealer in my city that sells the make I wanted to buy, and I got so sick of the salesperson running back and forth to the "manager" to negotiate I just left. They called as I was driving home, and I told them I had no time to play their stupid games. I just wanted to buy a car at the price we'd already agreed upon during our internet negotiations before I even got there.

/ain't nobody got time for that
 
2013-07-24 06:59:58 PM

EnglishMajor: Well, it's true,   As a solo woman trying to buy a car I've had some horrible experiences.  I was once physically surrounded by some very large sales guys (I'm 5 foot 2 inches) who were trying to prevent me to leave a showroom.  I had left the tiny sales/consulting cubicle because the sales guy was taking too long and I was just tired and miserable from waiting.   They asked to make a copy of my driver's license so that I could take home a loaner for the weekend.  I said "No,"  Short version, I made a run for the parking lot, jumped into my old reliable and peeled out.  I found a local mall where I walked around for about an hour until I could stop shaking with sheer terror.  Dealership later closed due to "irregularities in ethics."

Fast forward several years and I needed a new vehicle.  I stuffed a folder with printouts from Carfax (thanks Click and Clack) and made the rounds.  Sales people really seem to hate Carfax.   Each time the sales person tried to make me wait in their cubicle, I walked out after 7  minutes (I just like the number).  Eventually I bought from CarMax, which was a good experience.


Heck, I've had crap pulled on me and I'm a large male.  About 5 years ago, I stopped by a Toyota dealership with a pretty good idea what I wanted.  Already knew the model and options, just wanted to take it for a spin to make sure it was comfortable.  During the test drive, I made the mistake of leaving my motorcycle helmet in the car and the salesman kept stalling when I asked to go get it.  He knew I couldn't leave without my helmet so he held it hostage.  The salesman was so ridiculous that he talked me out of buying anything from his dealership even though I'd walked in planning to buy a car that day.  Kept trying to tell me a $700 "prep" fee was industry standard.  Wouldn't budge on it.  Their total price was about two grand over the average out the door price for the car.  Finally I said, "We're done.  Let's go get my helmet."  The jackass wouldn't stop.  I finally had to threaten to call the police if he didn't hand over my helmet immediately.  So he runs off to get the key and alert his manager.

The manager comes out and starts talking down to me like I had no idea how the car purchase process works; talking like I'm some high school kid instead of a professional in my 30s.  I cut him off and told him which car I wanted, color, options, and the price I was willing to pay.  "If you can provide that car at my price, let me know."  The salescreep finally gave me my helmet and I left.  I had no intention of buying a car from those clowns even if they did come down to my price.

A week later, I got a call from the creep.  "The car you ordered was just delivered."  "Really?"  "Yep.  The red Homer with the base package."  "Okay, I'm not sure where to begin with how wrong you are.  I never ordered a car from you.  If I had ordered one, it would have been white with the power package.  Is anyone ever stupid enough to fall for that?  Don't ever call me again you piece of crap."  Then the stupid manager had the nerve to call me and ask what happened.

By then, I'd already sent out an autobytel inquiry to local dealers, received responses from fleet sales reps, and made a deal with a different dealership two towns over.  Took half an hour from start to finish with no bullshiat at all.  And no $700 prep fee.
 
2013-07-24 07:01:23 PM
Two of the things women are worst at.
I'd hate to do support for that site.
 
2013-07-24 07:01:39 PM

utah dude: "As a man, you're [sic] commercials embarrass me," posted a man. "The notion that women need a 'dude' to navigate the apparent labyrinth that is the automotive market is not only incorrect, its out-dated and offensive ... It is possible to appeal to one gender without degrading another."

a woman would've used better grandma.


I agree,  grandma IS a better name for a used woman.
 
2013-07-24 07:03:09 PM

EnglishMajor: Well, it's true,   As a solo woman trying to buy a car I've had some horrible experiences.  I was once physically surrounded by some very large sales guys (I'm 5 foot 2 inches) who were trying to prevent me to leave a showroom.  I had left the tiny sales/consulting cubicle because the sales guy was taking too long and I was just tired and miserable from waiting.   They asked to make a copy of my driver's license so that I could take home a loaner for the weekend.  I said "No,"  Short version, I made a run for the parking lot, jumped into my old reliable and peeled out.  I found a local mall where I walked around for about an hour until I could stop shaking with sheer terror.  Dealership later closed due to "irregularities in ethics."


I am not sure if it's my disposition, the tattoos, my sales background and ability to negotiate like a real biatch, or my knowledge of cars or numbers (I work in accounting and finance), or just growing up in a real rough neighborhood, but I have never had an issue buying a car and generally get good deals. No sales person, no matter how alpha, wants to deal with a biatch that looks like she will do five years in Rikers just to prove a point.

I'm like the tattooed version of Jane from Happy Endings.

I can't imagine being intimidated, let alone physically in this situation. They suck. I'm sorry this happened.
 
2013-07-24 07:03:28 PM
Thanks to a new website, women can finally learn how to buy a car all by themselves.

I've already brought a car by myself.  In fact all the cars I've ever own, I've brought by myself.
 
2013-07-24 07:09:09 PM
Damn this world, everybody needs apologies for insignificant matters. So what if the ad shows women being ignorant about the automobile industry? Unless you're a car lover, chances are you wouldn't know the different parts of a car and how they relate to each other anyway. You'll also have no idea about fair prices. The ad doesn't even say "all" women are like that, it just so happens that in the real world, a lot of women can' be bothered with learning about cars. So what if they don't know much about cars? What's the shame in that? Women not knowing much about cars is just the same about men not knowing about different make-up/mascara technology and fashion.

Different genders will always have different interests and there's nothing wrong with that. Why in the world would men give time trying to learn about make-up and beautifying devices? Why would women spend a lot of time learning about hardware and mechanics? This is reality, this is the culture we live in. Just because majority of women or men don't know about certain things doesn't mean it's something to be offended about. We have the right to NOT be experts or competent about certain subject matters, especially if we really don't have any interest in them.

The ad isn't attacking anyone in an attempt to shame or degrade them. It simply tries to provide services to what is currently our reality, which is most women aren't really interested in an in-depth study of the automotive industry and that's why they need guides who can help them not get screwed over. There is nothing wrong with that. Stop being so insecure. If anybody wants to degrade anybody, they wouldn't need to start a business just for that purpose. You can humiliate anyone without spending a dime.
 
2013-07-24 07:09:52 PM

jtown: EnglishMajor: Well, it's true,   ...


I've also been surrounded by salesmen when trying to leave a dealership (I'm a small guy). Another trick is that they'll want to "make a copy of your driver's license" and then not give it back.

Not all car dealers are like this, but enough are that you need to be on your guard.
 
2013-07-24 07:16:39 PM

Bawdy George: spman: Buying a car is a PITA

Perhaps, but technique helps. Go through a site such as Edmunds and have multiple dealers email you offers on your car(s) of interest through their Internet/fleet sales staff. Let each know you're cross shopping not just dealers, but make of car. You can cut out 90% of the bullshiat this way.

/negotiated last 2 cars over email


I heard this advice recently. It seems brilliant. I probably got screwed on my last car purchase.
 
2013-07-24 07:18:22 PM

spman: Buying a car is a PITA. When I bought my current Hyundai Elantra a few years ago, I had to go to three dealerships before I found one that was actually willing to sell me the car without a hassle.

The first two dealerships demanded a large down payment, but were not upfront about the fact that the car wasn't actually in stock, and they had no clue at all when they were getting anymore that weren't painted sky blue. Both in fact assured me that they'd be able to trade one of their ugly ass sky blue cars for a color you'd actually want, just by calling up another dealership. It took them both a month before they were finally up front with me about the fact that they weren't going to have any more in stock for a while, and it took another week after that for them to refund my down payment. I suspected that the problem was really that I wasn't financing through the dealership, and I refused all there stupid add ons, so they weren't in any real hurry to sell me anything.

Also, I don't understand how people claim to get these secret deals, or get dealerships to give you huge discounts. In my experience, dealerships would just as soon tell you to pound sand than negotiate on prices. Maybe Bob's used auto lot where they finance anyone, might negotiate, but I've never had any luck at a major dealership getting anything more than an air freshener and some floor mats tossed in for free.


You are doing it wrong. Specifically, you're buying cars that are in demand at the time - stop doing that, and you'll be pleasantly surprised how quickly they'll see things your way.

I bought my wife's Odyssey when they were the new hotness, and had to go 200 miles to get it at MSRP.
I bought my Civic at end-of-year and dictated my terms.

/you can see how serious they are by saying "thanks you" and heading for the door
 
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