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(Uproxx)   3D printing in your house is pretty much the equivalent of smoking indoors   (uproxx.com) divider line 62
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2013-07-24 02:21:07 PM
I can't read the article at work, but I assume it stinks up your house and turns the walls yellow?
 
2013-07-24 02:23:34 PM

EvilEgg: I can't read the article at work, but I assume it stinks up your house and turns the walls yellow?


The melting process releases, among other things, ultra-fine particles of plastic that, when introduced to the body via respiration can damage the brain and lungs on their own as well as transporting other damaging chemicals.

Long story short: 3D printers should be installed with dedicated ventilation and HEPA filters.
 
2013-07-24 02:35:50 PM
I CHOOSE YOU, TECHNOBEVETS!

fc09.deviantart.net
 
2013-07-24 02:38:14 PM
If melting plastic and vaporizing brain-damaging volatile compounds into the air is wrong, then I don't want to white a smart engine taco.
 
2013-07-24 03:04:21 PM
What happens if you smoke a 3D printed cigarette?
 
2013-07-24 03:12:35 PM
Ummmm, duh.  If a company did this, OSHA would have all kinds of safety precautions to implement for this.
 
2013-07-24 03:14:18 PM
So put it in a garage with an exhaust hood?
 
2013-07-24 03:33:46 PM

basemetal: Ummmm, duh.  If a company did this, OSHA would have all kinds of safety precautions to implement for this.


I looked up the MakerBot user manual, because that's the only consumer-RP system I could think of from the top of my head.  Anyhow, the "Replicator 2" manual does contain CAUTION and WARNING statements but none to do with ventilation nor breathing protection.  Since it is billed as a "desktop" device I'm not surprised.  I'd expect a manual revision if this story gets big.
 
2013-07-24 03:45:32 PM
I remember the first time the wife fired up a new laminator in the house instead of the garage.  Holy hell the fumes were toxic smelling.

/she didn't have to be told not to do that again
 
2013-07-24 03:48:56 PM

hardinparamedic: I CHOOSE YOU, TECHNOBEVETS!

[fc09.deviantart.net image 850x478]


wonder how long the summoning time will be

/glad you did it this time and not me
 
2013-07-24 03:50:43 PM
Damn... I thought that said "3D printing your house..." and wondered, "who would be printing up a WHOLE HOUSE?"   Is it just me?


/ In before QA ruins everything.
 
2013-07-24 03:50:45 PM

maltedmothball: hardinparamedic: I CHOOSE YOU, TECHNOBEVETS!

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wonder how long the summoning time will be


Depends on how long it takes him to finish popping a nut over the story.
 
2013-07-24 03:55:40 PM
The solution is to stop breathing so those bad chemicals can't get inside your body.
 
2013-07-24 03:59:21 PM

hardinparamedic: I CHOOSE YOU, TECHNOBEVETS!

[fc09.deviantart.net image 850x478]


Please describe what you have 3D printed , how much it cost, what it was, why you did it that way, and if you did it at home.

Ed Grubermann: maltedmothball: hardinparamedic: I CHOOSE YOU, TECHNOBEVETS!

[fc09.deviantart.net image 850x478]

wonder how long the summoning time will be

Depends on how long it takes him to finish popping a nut over the story.


Or to stop laughing.
 
2013-07-24 04:01:51 PM
Is it any worse than lighting a candle, accidentally burning your toast, or driving behind a truck spewing a cloud of diesel exhaust?
 
2013-07-24 04:04:18 PM
A 3D printed house -- not so unlikely.
 
2013-07-24 04:05:37 PM
It's no problem..
I didn't inhale.
 
2013-07-24 04:07:45 PM

SirTanon: Damn... I thought that said "3D printing your house..." and wondered, "who would be printing up a WHOLE HOUSE?"


These guys:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ultratravel/the-next-big-thing/101 10 195/The-worlds-first-3D-printed-house.html
 
2013-07-24 04:14:00 PM
2-D Printers aren't exactly oxygen, sunshine, and lollipop generators.
 
2013-07-24 04:16:21 PM

brap: 2-D Printers aren't exactly oxygen, sunshine, and lollipop generators.


This.
 
2013-07-24 04:19:39 PM

h2ogate: A 3D printed house -- not so unlikely.


Yup, a google search on 3d printed house gets more hits every day.
 
2013-07-24 04:28:20 PM

brap: 2-D Printers aren't exactly oxygen, sunshine, and lollipop generators.


but imagine if they were

/rocking horse people
 
2013-07-24 04:34:27 PM
Good, early adopters deserve it.
 
2013-07-24 04:37:36 PM
I do both. What do I win?

\cancer
\\YAY!
 
2013-07-24 04:44:40 PM
I was watching one of the How It's Made, and they were doing 3D printed knee parts. That big vat of plastic powder was probably also a fire hazard.
 
2013-07-24 04:46:27 PM

Ed Grubermann: maltedmothball: hardinparamedic: I CHOOSE YOU, TECHNOBEVETS!

[fc09.deviantart.net image 850x478]

wonder how long the summoning time will be

Depends on how long it takes him to finish popping a nut over the story.


You're assuming he isn't the one who submitted it in an effort of meta trolling.
 
2013-07-24 04:51:15 PM

factoryconnection: EvilEgg: I can't read the article at work, but I assume it stinks up your house and turns the walls yellow?

The melting process releases, among other things, ultra-fine particles of plastic that, when introduced to the body via respiration can damage the brain and lungs on their own as well as transporting other damaging chemicals.

Long story short: 3D printers should be installed with dedicated ventilation and HEPA filters.


No, it doesn't. You don't "melt" the plastic. there is basically a fine powder(similar to printer toner) and an epoxy that makes stuff stick together. Layer of epoxy,layer of powder, rinse, repeat... The powder is still bad for you, but calling it "melted plastic" is completely wrong. They build up, as opposed to cutting down.
 
2013-07-24 04:55:18 PM
Mig welding in the house is also stupid, that's why I do it the garage.
 
2013-07-24 04:55:47 PM
This is the type of shiat nobody stops to think about... I spent 5 years working at a large format printing company, and they had to vent some of the printers, using specific ink types, but not others. Taking apart one of the computers in there was an eye opening experience. Any dust had bonded together with the ink droplets in the air, so that not only were the dust bunnies bigger, they were moist and tended to stick to shiat even more, yet this was deemed "safe" to breathe for 40 hours a week...

It surprises me not at all that people have figured out that this is bad. Considering that this article is kind of vague, I wouldn't be too surprised to find out that it isn't much higher concentrations than laser printer toner in the air.
 
2013-07-24 05:02:36 PM

Mikey1969: No, it doesn't. You don't "melt" the plastic. there is basically a fine powder(similar to printer toner) and an epoxy that makes stuff stick together. Layer of epoxy,layer of powder, rinse, repeat...


Not always correct. Maybe even not usually correct.

There are several different 3D printing technologies in use at this point, that take very different approaches. The Makerbot and several other similar lines of printers use fused filament fabrication, which does indeed involve melting plastic and squeezing it through a nozzle.
 
2013-07-24 05:07:06 PM
Just wait until some moron figures out how to 3D print meth, and it's on like Donkey Kong.
 
2013-07-24 05:13:47 PM
Can I print kreigers by the platoon yet?
 
2013-07-24 05:16:31 PM
Personally, as 3D-printing moves from "insanely expensive" to merely "beyond the average reach of mere mortals", I"m guessing that the next decade or so will be moderately expensive shops catering to old-school equipment maintenance and the occasional hobbyist.

Because the golf course I worked at had a 1960's irrigation system that they don't make parts for anymore.  But replacing the irrigation system would cost more than $2 Million.  So I could see them setting up a contract for $50 sprinkler heads and similar fiddly bits with some shop, blowing $4-5K every year on needed maintenance, and dealing with the occasional pinhole leak in the actual pipes (which are still 99% good at this point, and average 1 pinhole leak every other year) when they come rather than blowing all that money on a new, less reliable (based on previous experience at another course), modern irrigation system.
 
2013-07-24 05:19:50 PM

basemetal: I remember the first time the wife fired up a new laminator in the house instead of the garage.  Holy hell the fumes were toxic smelling.

/she didn't have to be told not to do that again


You blackened BOTH eyes with the first punch?
 
2013-07-24 05:24:43 PM
Screw the plastic parts I want a full metal one without having to go lost wax.
 
2013-07-24 05:27:12 PM

meyerkev: Personally, as 3D-printing moves from "insanely expensive" to merely "beyond the average reach of mere mortals", I"m guessing that the next decade or so will be moderately expensive shops catering to old-school equipment maintenance and the occasional hobbyist.


Now all I can see are nerds making replacement/custom NES carts and SNES clamshells to replace the original yellowed plastic.

Not that they aren't doing this already.  It's just that we'll ALL be doing it!  MUWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
 
2013-07-24 05:29:02 PM

Saiga410: Screw the plastic parts I want a full metal one without having to go lost wax.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImKhUD-8hk
 
2013-07-24 05:31:01 PM

StrangeQ: Ed Grubermann: maltedmothball: hardinparamedic: I CHOOSE YOU, TECHNOBEVETS!

[fc09.deviantart.net image 850x478]

wonder how long the summoning time will be

Depends on how long it takes him to finish popping a nut over the story.

You're assuming he isn't the one who submitted it in an effort of meta trolling.


but if he who shall not be named comes to troll this thread having been the one to submit it does that negate or exponentially increase the trollage?
 
2013-07-24 05:47:11 PM

jaybeezey: Good, early adopters deserve it.


*scratches head quizzically*

I've had a 3d printer for about 3 years now, and I was always aware of this danger.  I'm not sure if somebody told me or I just knew from life experience that melting plastic releases toxic fumes.  Anyhow, making a ventilation box is super easy and costs almost no money.  Everybody really should have been doing this all along...
 
2013-07-24 05:51:21 PM

Saiga410: Screw the plastic parts I want a full metal one without having to go lost wax.


Whenever somebody asks me about 3d printers, I tell them to skip it and build a CNC mill and lathe.  There really isnt much you cant build with those two tools.
 
2013-07-24 06:07:59 PM

Alonjar: jaybeezey: Good, early adopters deserve it.

*scratches head quizzically*

I've had a 3d printer for about 3 years now, and I was always aware of this danger.  I'm not sure if somebody told me or I just knew from life experience that melting plastic releases toxic fumes.  Anyhow, making a ventilation box is super easy and costs almost no money.  Everybody really should have been doing this all along...


What do you use for design software? My business has a SW seat...can I use that?

Oh, and although we have CNC in-house, you can make most anything on a plane old mill and lathe. No CNC required.
 
2013-07-24 06:18:34 PM

SirTanon: Damn... I thought that said "3D printing your house..." and wondered, "who would be printing up a WHOLE HOUSE?"   Is it just me?


/ In before QA ruins everything.


Someone (I think he's Dutch) is actually doing that.
 
2013-07-24 06:47:55 PM
UFPs deposit efficiently in both the pulmonary and alveolar regions of the lung, as well as in head airways.


i105.photobucket.com
What Head Airways might look like.
 
2013-07-24 06:54:57 PM

SirTanon: Damn... I thought that said "3D printing your house..." and wondered, "who would be printing up a WHOLE HOUSE?"   Is it just me?


They're working on it.

Mikey1969: No, it doesn't. You don't "melt" the plastic. there is basically a fine powder(similar to printer toner) and an epoxy that makes stuff stick together. Layer of epoxy,layer of powder, rinse, repeat... The powder is still bad for you, but calling it "melted plastic" is completely wrong. They build up, as opposed to cutting down.


You're incorrect; the most popular systems do indeed melt the plastic.  They don't use powder, but plastic 'filaments' that they melt much like a hot glue gun.

There is a powder/epoxy printing system, but then it's metal powder and the epoxy merely holds it in place until you heat it up enough to clear out the epoxy and sinter the metal.
 
2013-07-24 07:19:16 PM

Mikey1969: ou don't "melt" the plastic. there is basically a fine powder(similar to printer toner) and an epoxy that makes stuff stick together. Layer of epoxy,layer of powder, rinse, repeat... The powder is still bad for you, but calling it "melted plastic" is completely wrong.


I see your knowledge of 3D printing is about 15 years out of date.
 
2013-07-24 07:32:59 PM

BizarreMan: What happens if you smoke a 3D printed cigarette?


popculturehasaids.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-24 07:39:57 PM

BizarreMan: What happens if you smoke a 3D printed cigarette?


You develop tumors with weird blocky, almost pixellated edges.
 
2013-07-24 07:44:26 PM
OK, that's fine and I'm all panicky about 3-d printers and all, but when you don't know what to call making something that way, and your choice is "farts out", well, it had just a bit of a negative impact on your credibility.

// ...so smoke a cigar while you wait for the printer.
 
2013-07-24 08:01:42 PM
Ooh. So does this mean I can call anyone who's against 3D printing a "Nazi?" And I can bemoan how my precious 3D printing rights may be taken away? And I should be able to 3D print in a restaurant, or a store, or anywhere I choose, because if people don't like inhaling the byproduct of my habit, it's their problem and not mine?

Can this be that thread?
 
2013-07-24 08:45:15 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: hardinparamedic: I CHOOSE YOU, TECHNOBEVETS!

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Please describe what you have 3D printed , how much it cost, what it was, why you did it that way, and if you did it at home.


I'll...actually take you up on that.

I had printed a Picatinny rail attachment to replace the back end of a Hasbro LTAR lasertag gun so that I could attach a sight for outdoor lasertag games that I've run for years with a friend. It cost ~$20, including shipping, and I had Shapeways make it for me. It would have cost less to manufacture by hand (probably about $15 including a plastic rail), but I managed to get a part that fit the exact shape snugly, and attached in exactly the manner I wanted it to. Oh, and once I've gotten my second revision and have worked out the bugs I can share this design with everyone who wants one.
 
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