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2013-07-24 12:32:55 PM
The assumption that we all drive sticks is because we all "want to feel like race car drivers" is completely erroneous. I and most of the people I know who drive stick don't give two flying farks about being "faster". Driving stick is more engaging. It's a full body activity. It's SATISFYING. Not "because racecar".

THIS
 
2013-07-24 12:38:59 PM
i was hoping one of the technologies would be those ultra bright lights that can blind you from a mile away.
 
2013-07-24 12:45:55 PM
I'd like to see fixed trim levels go away. Why can't I have a base model with heated seats, or a loaded one with no sunroof? Give me a couple of choices to test drive, build it up online, and order it.

You could do it 30 years ago, but for some reason, you can't seem to anymore
 
2013-07-24 12:46:00 PM
I watched a YouTube video on Ford's Easy Fuel system.  First off, I watched it on FireFox without AdBlock, so the Ford video was preceded by a GMC Truck commercial.  Funny that.

But the system is lame.  No gas cap.  Fine.  But you have to put in this fuel funnel they give you, which in the video was stored in the side door of the SUV's rear compartment.  Great.  A gas-stinking funnel you store inside the car instead of just having a farking gas cap on there like normal.
 
2013-07-24 12:47:21 PM
No gas cap? Be they never do that with Diesel
 
2013-07-24 12:51:03 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I watched a YouTube video on Ford's Easy Fuel system.  First off, I watched it on FireFox without AdBlock, so the Ford video was preceded by a GMC Truck commercial.  Funny that.

But the system is lame.  No gas cap.  Fine.  But you have to put in this fuel funnel they give you, which in the video was stored in the side door of the SUV's rear compartment.  Great.  A gas-stinking funnel you store inside the car instead of just having a farking gas cap on there like normal.


I thought the funnel was ponly for when the gas nozzle was the wrong size, like if you have to refill from a gas can or something.

That said, I also hear tell that the "easy Fuel" thing tends to stick, and then you have to somehow get it to a dealer to get it unstuck.  No thanks.
 
2013-07-24 01:08:30 PM
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2013-07-24 01:08:48 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I watched a YouTube video on Ford's Easy Fuel system.  First off, I watched it on FireFox without AdBlock, so the Ford video was preceded by a GMC Truck commercial.  Funny that.

But the system is lame.  No gas cap.  Fine.  But you have to put in this fuel funnel they give you, which in the video was stored in the side door of the SUV's rear compartment.  Great.  A gas-stinking funnel you store inside the car instead of just having a farking gas cap on there like normal.


Wow. Something from Ford is poorly designed. Shocking.
 
2013-07-24 01:34:22 PM
I didn't know some cars still had drum brakes. Maybe on the rear wheels.
 
2013-07-24 01:36:33 PM

montreal_medic: I'd like to see fixed trim levels go away. Why can't I have a base model with heated seats, or a loaded one with no sunroof? Give me a couple of choices to test drive, build it up online, and order it.

You could do it 30 years ago, but for some reason, you can't seem to anymore


Letting people choose random options from a list of all available options ends up costing more than bundling them in with some that you might not want.
I don't recall the exact figures, but I read an article that showed that you could order a mid 80's Mazda exactly 9 ways (3 colors, 3 trim levels) while a comparable Chevy was available in 47,000possible permutations. That makes for a logistical nightmare trying to manage the parts inventory, not to mention that today's consumers want to drive to the car dealer and drive home with a new car, not wait 8-10 weeks for one to be built to order. Some manufacturers still build to order... go to Porsche's web site and play with their configurator.. it's fun to add $55K in options to a $50K car!
 
2013-07-24 01:41:01 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: montreal_medic: I'd like to see fixed trim levels go away. Why can't I have a base model with heated seats, or a loaded one with no sunroof? Give me a couple of choices to test drive, build it up online, and order it.

You could do it 30 years ago, but for some reason, you can't seem to anymore

Letting people choose random options from a list of all available options ends up costing more than bundling them in with some that you might not want.
I don't recall the exact figures, but I read an article that showed that you could order a mid 80's Mazda exactly 9 ways (3 colors, 3 trim levels) while a comparable Chevy was available in 47,000possible permutations. That makes for a logistical nightmare trying to manage the parts inventory, not to mention that today's consumers want to drive to the car dealer and drive home with a new car, not wait 8-10 weeks for one to be built to order. Some manufacturers still build to order... go to Porsche's web site and play with their configurator.. it's fun to add $55K in options to a $50K car!


I had never considered that. Good point.

Guess it makes sense with a low-volume higher margin brand like porsche

Off to play with a configurator!
 
2013-07-24 01:43:39 PM
3 Halogen Headlamps

I miss my halogen headlights. The new LED ones just don't generate enough heat so in the winter, snow just accumulates against my lights.
 
2013-07-24 01:49:35 PM
I hate drum brakes.  Though when I do change them, I make it a point before discarding the old one to say "That was a good drum brake"
 
2013-07-24 01:51:20 PM
I was going to guess cigarette lighters but now I guess we need them to charge up our teledildonic devices.
 
2013-07-24 01:52:44 PM

montreal_medic: I'd like to see fixed trim levels go away. Why can't I have a base model with heated seats, or a loaded one with no sunroof? Give me a couple of choices to test drive, build it up online, and order it.

You could do it 30 years ago, but for some reason, you can't seem to anymore


Enjoy your $30K Corolla.
 
2013-07-24 01:58:48 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I watched a YouTube video on Ford's Easy Fuel system.  First off, I watched it on FireFox without AdBlock, so the Ford video was preceded by a GMC Truck commercial.  Funny that.

But the system is lame.  No gas cap.  Fine.  But you have to put in this fuel funnel they give you, which in the video was stored in the side door of the SUV's rear compartment.  Great.  A gas-stinking funnel you store inside the car instead of just having a farking gas cap on there like normal.


You HAVE to use the funnel? I thought maybe it was for filling from a gas can or something. Stupid, and it's all so that you "have less 'check engine' lights"?
 
2013-07-24 02:00:55 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: montreal_medic: I'd like to see fixed trim levels go away. Why can't I have a base model with heated seats, or a loaded one with no sunroof? Give me a couple of choices to test drive, build it up online, and order it.

You could do it 30 years ago, but for some reason, you can't seem to anymore

Letting people choose random options from a list of all available options ends up costing more than bundling them in with some that you might not want.
I don't recall the exact figures, but I read an article that showed that you could order a mid 80's Mazda exactly 9 ways (3 colors, 3 trim levels) while a comparable Chevy was available in 47,000possible permutations. That makes for a logistical nightmare trying to manage the parts inventory, not to mention that today's consumers want to drive to the car dealer and drive home with a new car, not wait 8-10 weeks for one to be built to order. Some manufacturers still build to order... go to Porsche's web site and play with their configurator.. it's fun to add $55K in options to a $50K car!


You also have an easier time finding a vehicle you want in stock. Ordering a car still takes weeks, if not months, to result in an actual delivery. When there's only 2 or 3 trim options it's more a matter of finding the color you want in the trim you desire. Chances are the dealer has a few cars on the lot that will please the buyer.

If you're dealing with massive option lists then the added complication makes it much less likely there's a car you want in stock.

Honda (and Japanese makes in general) seem to have the fewest standalone options... you're picking a trim level, color, and if you want nav or not. Germans are the polar opposite- my wife balked the first time she saw an Audi and BMW option list... there's tons of crap you can add and it can be intimidating (especially when you aren't sure what half of the damn things are). US makes seem to be in the middle.
 
2013-07-24 02:00:56 PM

phlegmmo: The assumption that we all drive sticks is because we all "want to feel like race car drivers" is completely erroneous. I and most of the people I know who drive stick don't give two flying farks about being "faster". Driving stick is more engaging. It's a full body activity. It's SATISFYING. Not "because racecar".

THIS


Um, try biking. "Full body activity" from a cager is hilarious.
 
2013-07-24 02:01:04 PM

phlegmmo: The assumption that we all drive sticks is because we all "want to feel like race car drivers" is completely erroneous. I and most of the people I know who drive stick don't give two flying farks about being "faster". Driving stick is more engaging. It's a full body activity. It's SATISFYING. Not "because racecar".

THIS


THAT.

I usually put it like this: A stickshift makes it feel like you're actually DRIVING the car; with an automatic you're just riding along in one.
 
2013-07-24 02:01:08 PM

nekom: I hate drum brakes.  Though when I do change them, I make it a point before discarding the old one to say "That was a good drum brake"


Yeah, I wish I could afford a brake conversion on my Cheroke, but that shiat is expensive. At this point though, I can't even remember HOW to change drum brakes, cuz the things last for-freaking-ever.
 
2013-07-24 02:02:16 PM

Mikey1969: AdolfOliverPanties: I watched a YouTube video on Ford's Easy Fuel system.  First off, I watched it on FireFox without AdBlock, so the Ford video was preceded by a GMC Truck commercial.  Funny that.

But the system is lame.  No gas cap.  Fine.  But you have to put in this fuel funnel they give you, which in the video was stored in the side door of the SUV's rear compartment.  Great.  A gas-stinking funnel you store inside the car instead of just having a farking gas cap on there like normal.

You HAVE to use the funnel? I thought maybe it was for filling from a gas can or something. Stupid, and it's all so that you "have less 'check engine' lights"?


No, you don't. I had a couple rental Fords with that system and I didn't even know there was an onboard funnel. The funnel is if you're using something like a gas can that won't go far enough into the fueling port to "unlock" the thing. Regular gas nozzles, no problems.
 
2013-07-24 02:02:30 PM
Mikey1969:
Yeah, I wish I could afford a brake conversion on my Cheroke, but that shiat is expensive. At this point though, I can't even remember HOW to change drum brakes, cuz the things last for-freaking-ever.

My grandfather taught me the trick, you do them one at a time so that you can refer to the other one when you're scratching your head thinking ok WTF is this thing supposed to go?
 
2013-07-24 02:03:03 PM

phlegmmo: The assumption that we all drive sticks is because we all "want to feel like race car drivers" is completely erroneous. I and most of the people I know who drive stick don't give two flying farks about being "faster". Driving stick is more engaging. It's a full body activity. It's SATISFYING. Not "because racecar".

THIS


Yep... I prefer a stick, especially in a vehicle I want specific performance out of. I prefer stick for off-roading personally, and I definitely like the bond you develop with the vehicle.
 
2013-07-24 02:04:03 PM
I really don't like those keyless designs.  They place too much trust in the electronic components.
 
2013-07-24 02:04:57 PM

nekom: I hate drum brakes.  Though when I do change them, I make it a point before discarding the old one to say "That was a good drum brake"


What sad times are these when a farker gets favorited for a comment like this.
 
2013-07-24 02:06:16 PM

nekom: I hate drum brakes.  Though when I do change them, I make it a point before discarding the old one to say "That was a good drum brake"


....

I hate you right now for making me laugh.
 
2013-07-24 02:06:42 PM

montreal_medic: I'd like to see fixed trim levels go away. Why can't I have a base model with heated seats, or a loaded one with no sunroof? Give me a couple of choices to test drive, build it up online, and order it.

You could do it 30 years ago, but for some reason, you can't seem to anymore


Scion doesn't use trim levels. Everything that isn't standard, is an option. And most of what's available, is standard. Power mirrors, A/C, 6-speaker stereo, etc. Of course, you can't order one stripped to the rails, but the MSRP is as low as most brands' "baseline" models.

/Car companies and the regulatory agency can go get farked if they think they'll take my manual transmission away. The clutch pedal stays, or my money goes.
 
2013-07-24 02:07:23 PM

nekom: I hate drum brakes.  Though when I do change them, I make it a point before discarding the old one to say "That was a good drum brake"



Do you then pick yourself up off the side of the road?
 
2013-07-24 02:07:37 PM
Manual gearboxes - Well, I just enjoy them.  It's a physical thing.  More to do.  Fun activity.  Sure, dual-clutch paddle-shifters are faster.  In a racing car, it's what I'd prefer.  But they're expensive.  Most cheap cars will maintain a single-clutch system to save money.  And if you watch Top Gear, you'll know that they're never done right in cheap cars!  You click the paddle and the car... might downshift.  You know, if it thinks it's the right time.  Otherwise it does fark all and you're left with no power.

Handbrakes - hey, I like a nice lever attached to a cable attached to a brake caliper.  It's, you know, easily serviceable with a couple of hand tools, and works NO MATTER WHAT in an emergency.  As long as you still have rear wheels, anyway.

LED headlights - bring 'em on.  Other than problems with icing, they're just flat out better than halogen.  Fixable obviously, but that costs money.  Worth it for the tricks like selective dimming though.

Drum brakes - BYE!  Won't miss you!  Farking hate my rear drums, they take ten times longer and cost far more skin to replace than discs.  Farking springs.

Antennas - who cares?

Factory infotainment - who cares?

Camshafts - Again a loss for self-service, but I have a hard time getting upset.

ODBII - Seeya

Keys - meh

Mechanical linkages - baaaaad idea, unless you want to put in the THREE redundant systems that aircraft do.  Here's a hint: that's a lot more expensive.  Only advantage is ability to put controls wherever you want.  I REALLY dislike the idea of not having a physical link to my steering wheel and my brakes in the event of a catastrophic failure.
 
2013-07-24 02:07:56 PM
Maybe car manufacturers will combine #4 and #8 so instead of reading a text from work while you're trying to drive, you can actually see what's wrong with your car.
 
2013-07-24 02:08:35 PM
The unidentified student-who refers to themselves

The singular they needs to die.  This is horrible English.
 
2013-07-24 02:10:33 PM
Manual gearboxes make driving less boring. I'll only be giving it up for an EV.
 
2013-07-24 02:11:23 PM
I am sure that eventually mechanical linkage will go the way of the dinosaur, but springs and metal rods are just too cheap and too well understood to just disappear. I'll bet linkage outlives me.
 
2013-07-24 02:12:01 PM

Ashyukun: phlegmmo: The assumption that we all drive sticks is because we all "want to feel like race car drivers" is completely erroneous. I and most of the people I know who drive stick don't give two flying farks about being "faster". Driving stick is more engaging. It's a full body activity. It's SATISFYING. Not "because racecar".

THIS

THAT.

I usually put it like this: A stickshift makes it feel like you're actually DRIVING the car; with an automatic you're just riding along in one.


I agree with all this, but there are certainly times when I'm stuck in DC area traffic constantly shifting gears that it becomes an annoyance.

At least I'm not yapping away on my cell phone in my 2-ton, automatic SUV like a lot of folks, I suppose. The rationale being: the bigger the car, the more reckless I can be.

Don't get me started on the lost art of using your farking turn signal.
 
2013-07-24 02:13:25 PM

Myria: They place too much trust in the electronic components.


I don't understand people who say things like this. And they've been saying it about cars for thirty years now.

Keys break, mechanical locks wear, they jam, they rust, things get stuck in them and they can be manipulated by people with toolsets to open them without the proper key... there is absolutely no reason to believe there is a higher failure rate or incidence of break-in with an electronic system than with a mechanical system.

Same goes for people who biatch about drive by wire systems and "I'd rather have that control in case something goes wrong huhuhuhuh". Apparently none of these people have ever seen what happens when a throttle return spring decides to let go at highway speed.
 
2013-07-24 02:13:57 PM

phlegmmo: The assumption that we all drive sticks is because we all "want to feel like race car drivers" is completely erroneous. I and most of the people I know who drive stick don't give two flying farks about being "faster". Driving stick is more engaging. It's a full body activity. It's SATISFYING. Not "because racecar".

THIS


Meh.. I always see and hear from two types when it comes to stick.

a) it's cheaper than getting an automatic, I'll learn

b) I has mad skillz 'cause I drive stick


then

a) drives like an idiot that shouldn't be on the street

b) drives like an idiot that shouldn't be on the street

exceptions are rare.

Just get rid of them, stick is annoying, if you can't "feel" your car even with an automatic, nor make it shift even without the clutch and gear shifter, you shouldn't be driving.

And for the semi-auto, paddles are actually faster, easier to use and does the job just fine.
 
2013-07-24 02:16:05 PM

DemonEater: Mechanical linkages - baaaaad idea, unless you want to put in the THREE redundant systems that aircraft do. Here's a hint: that's a lot more expensive. Only advantage is ability to put controls wherever you want. I REALLY dislike the idea of not having a physical link to my steering wheel and my brakes in the event of a catastrophic failure.


That's just irrational fear speaking. It's not like some bean counter at GM is going to sacrifice your safety just to save $.36 per vehicle.
 
2013-07-24 02:17:01 PM

akula: No, you don't. I had a couple rental Fords with that system and I didn't even know there was an onboard funnel. The funnel is if you're using something like a gas can that won't go far enough into the fueling port to "unlock" the thing. Regular gas nozzles, no problems.


OK, That's what I had been thinking when I saw the funnel. At least that makes sense.
 
2013-07-24 02:18:36 PM

montreal_medic: I'd like to see fixed trim levels go away. Why can't I have a base model with heated seats, or a loaded one with no sunroof? Give me a couple of choices to test drive, build it up online, and order it.

You could do it 30 years ago, but for some reason, you can't seem to anymore


It's done for economies of scale.  The more variation in options the slower the assembly line will run. If the base model only has two or three possible options it's easy to pump a run of them out, and then start a run of the next line up which has more standard, but only a few different options you need to worry about etc.

It also helps reduce days-in-inventory on dealer lots.  You may be willing to wait for a special order (I did it myself to get the color combination and a few key options I wanted on mine) but most people aren't - they go out and hit four or five dealers over the course of a couple days and buy something right off of the pavement.  Half the time they buy the last thing they see not even because they like it the most, but because they're tired and they like it well enough.
 
2013-07-24 02:19:05 PM

nekom: Mikey1969:
Yeah, I wish I could afford a brake conversion on my Cheroke, but that shiat is expensive. At this point though, I can't even remember HOW to change drum brakes, cuz the things last for-freaking-ever.

My grandfather taught me the trick, you do them one at a time so that you can refer to the other one when you're scratching your head thinking ok WTF is this thing supposed to go?


LOL, even better, my wife's ex-husband is a mechanic, and has been off the hook for child support for the last year or two, as long as he helps with mechanical issues on the cars. Works out wonderfully, going to get him to do the rear main seals on both cars next... :-)
 
2013-07-24 02:19:32 PM
They forgot

www.zmz.ru

and

eofdreams.com


If you're not driving an electric car in 10 to 15 years,  you're an idiot or a sucker.....
 
2013-07-24 02:20:26 PM
List incomplete without "human driving".

graphics8.nytimes.com

/joking
//mostly
 
2013-07-24 02:20:28 PM
Ashyukun:
I usually put it like this: A stickshift makes it feel like you're actually DRIVING the car; with an automatic you're just riding along in one.

To each his own but I find that strange. I grew up on a stick and drove sticks only for more than 20 years. Then I bought an automatic and I never looked back. The biggest difference is that the automatic has made me a much safer driver because I can focus more of my attention of the road and environment around me than what I am doing in the car. If you are just "riding along" with an automatic you are doing it wrong.
 
2013-07-24 02:21:52 PM

indarwinsshadow: They forgot

[www.zmz.ru image 292x300]

and

[eofdreams.com image 500x332]


If you're not driving an electric car in 10 to 15 years,  you're an idiot or a sucker.....


Maybe hybrids will dominate in the next 10-15 years, but unless there are major innovations in battery capacity, charging time, and cost, pure electrics aren't going to be practical.

When you can buy an electric car for similar to the price of a current gas vehicle, drive it on a single charge with a range of at least 200 miles or so , and fully recharge it in less than ten to fifteen minutes, everyone will jump on the bandwagon.
 
2013-07-24 02:22:26 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I watched a YouTube video on Ford's Easy Fuel system.  First off, I watched it on FireFox without AdBlock, so the Ford video was preceded by a GMC Truck commercial.  Funny that.

But the system is lame.  No gas cap.  Fine.  But you have to put in this fuel funnel they give you, which in the video was stored in the side door of the SUV's rear compartment.  Great.  A gas-stinking funnel you store inside the car instead of just having a farking gas cap on there like normal.


Wrong.  The funnel is only used if you need to fill up from a gas can and the nozzle won't push the mechanism in far enough.  When filling from a pump the funnel is not needed.  You will be seeing more and more of this type of setup simply due to emmissions requirements.  Most cars built these days already turn on the idiot light if you leave the cap off and drive more than a few miles...eliminating the cap is the next step.
 
2013-07-24 02:22:42 PM
Eliminate the electric starter.  Highway congestion will become a thing of the past.

i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-07-24 02:22:45 PM
The people who are diehards about archaic transmission use remind me of the old farts who still loudly proclaim how much better carburetors are than modern fuel injection and engine management.
 
2013-07-24 02:23:11 PM

vernonFL: I didn't know some cars still had drum brakes. Maybe on the rear wheels.


A lot of drag racers prefer drum brakes. They save a lot of weight compared to disks and calipers.
 
2013-07-24 02:24:00 PM
I just bought a truck ...my #1 requirement was rolling windows and manual locks. #2 was the best mpg I could find for the money I could spend.

/frickin' HATE button windows/locks
 
2013-07-24 02:24:43 PM
TuteTibiImperes:
Maybe hybrids will dominate in the next 10-15 years, but unless there are major innovations in battery capacity, charging time, and cost, pure electrics aren't going to be practical.

When you can buy an electric car for similar to the price of a current gas vehicle, drive it on a single charge with a range of at least 200 miles or so , and fully recharge it in less than ten to fifteen minutes, everyone will jump on the bandwagon.


^ This.  You get me a reasonably priced (15K range tops) sedan with some way to recharge it even here in the boonies and and I'll be happy to buy it.  The current electrics on the market are too expensive and impractical for me.
 
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