Headso: But allowing more shouldn't be a problem!
HeadLever: Headso: But allowing more shouldn't be a problem!It depends upon how high the chronic levels need to be to trigger said kidney damage and reproductive effects and what levels are recommended (EPA MCL is 0.7 mg/L).How do MCLs work?
FTDA: How the hell are they going to figure that one out? Call the Suicide Hotline and ask for referrals?
simplicimus: By allowing more, you end up with even more resistant insects and weeds.
relaxitsjustme: Maybe no big deal for a 65 y/o. Not so spiffy for a 16 mo old
meat0918: Are there any credible papers linking Roundup to human death or disease?
HeadLever: simplicimus: By allowing more, you end up with even more resistant insects and weeds.And by allowing less you end up with more insects and weeds. Might as well get some benifit out of it's useful - but limited - life span. You just need to make sure that you look at how far you can ramp up use before you start to see other side effects. Don't want to over do it and end up like India.
HeadLever: relaxitsjustme: Maybe no big deal for a 65 y/o. Not so spiffy for a 16 mo oldSo MCLs are made with only 65 y/o in mind? Really?
relaxitsjustme: So MCLs are made with only newborns in mind? Really?
stuhayes2010: meat0918: Are there any credible papers linking Roundup to human death or disease?Just these
neversubmit: FTDA: How the hell are they going to figure that one out? Call the Suicide Hotline and ask for referrals?Breath deep and tell us how you feel.[www.sparkybeegirl.com image 410x293]
FTDA: neversubmit: FTDA: How the hell are they going to figure that one out? Call the Suicide Hotline and ask for referrals?Breath deep and tell us how you feel.[www.sparkybeegirl.com image 410x293]Aww hell no! I stay indoors when I see the bug spray truck coming down the road to fog out my neighborhood.
meat0918: stuhayes2010: meat0918: Are there any credible papers linking Roundup to human death or disease?Just theseThanks.I'll remember not to drink it or directly bath human cells in high concentrations of the stuff.For the record, I don't use RoundUp, and garden with minimal use of human manufactured chemicals. My father's even come around after another farmer took out half my dad's garlic crop because said idiot farmer sprayed the roundup with a 29 mph wind blowing.Paper wasps do an amazing job of killing the few cabbage moth caterpillars in my yard (not going to work in a large mono culture field of cabbage) and there are these little amazing parasitic wasps doing a number on the aphids (again, probably not going to work in a large monoculture field).Now, if I could just get something to eat the goddamn sugar ants farming the aphids...
PsychoPhil: All I know is Roundup actually kills weeds, that Ortho Weed Be Gone junk might as well be straight water - it's worthless.
HeadLever: relaxitsjustme: So MCLs are made with only newborns in mind? Really?Yep. They also consider fetuses and children.TheMoreYouKnow.jpg
Mister Buttons: We've been dumping this shiat all over Colombia for at least 15 years now.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Colombia#Fumigation_strategy_and_c ri ticismsBetween 2000 and 2003, the fumigation program sprayed over 380,000 hectares of coca, which is equivalent to more than 8% of Colombia's arable landIn addition, spraying is shown to have effects on health. Many residents of spray zones have shown to have a variety of skin, respiratory, and other ailments. The scandal regarding health violations arises because the U.S. State department constantly downplays these concerns. They claim instead that illness arises as a result of the herbicides they use for their crop cultivation. Also, the EPA provided the State Department with the assessments of health and environment impacts of fumigation, but these assessments were conducted without any information specific to the local environment of Colombia. The State Department does not even submit enough information to the EPA on how spraying is actually carried out.
meat0918: And all we have to show for it is a naturally Roundup resistant cocaine plant and a large number of Colombians that have to resort to growing the one round up resistant plant (coca) they have to make a living, since the other collateral damage is we hit their food crops as well.
neversubmit: meat0918: Are there any credible papers linking Roundup to human death or disease?Is this credible? I really don't know.Glyphosate's Suppression of Cytochrome P450 Enzymes and Amino Acid Biosynthesis by the Gut Microbiome: Pathways to Modern DiseasesAbstract: Glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup®, is the most popular herbicide used worldwide. The industry asserts it is minimally toxic to humans, but here we argue otherwise. Residues are found in the main foods of the Western diet, comprised primarily of sugar, corn, soy and wheat. Glyphosate's inhibition of cytochrome P450 (CYP) enzymes is an overlooked component of its toxicity to mammals. CYP enzymes play crucial roles in biology, one of which is to detoxify xenobiotics. Thus, glyphosate enhances the damaging effects of other food borne chemical residues and environmental toxins. Negative impact on the body is insidious and manifests slowly over time as inflammation damages cellular systems throughout the body. Here, we show how interference with CYP enzymes acts synergistically with disruption of the biosynthesis of aromatic amino acids by gut bacteria, as well as impairment in serum sulfate transport. Consequences are most of the diseases and conditions associated with a Western diet, which include gastrointestinal disorders, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, depression, autism, infertility, cancer and Alzheimer's disease. We explain the documented effects of glyphosate and its ability to induce disease, and we show that glyphosate is the "textbook example" of exogenous semiotic entropy: the disruption of homeostasis by environmental toxins.
cybernia: That study has been thoroughly and completely debunked and it wasn't done by "scientists."
mama2tnt: One of the monsters is the child of a farmer. That farmer and his family told me many times that "Chlordane's the best and cheapest pesticide ever. Sure, it's illegal, but whenever the EPA is nosing around, every farmer calls every other farmer, and we hide it until the federal boys are gone. Because nothing's better than chlordane."/If you look up "redneck farm family" in the dictionary you'll find their family reunion portrait.
meat0918: mama2tnt: One of the monsters is the child of a farmer. That farmer and his family told me many times that "Chlordane's the best and cheapest pesticide ever. Sure, it's illegal, but whenever the EPA is nosing around, every farmer calls every other farmer, and we hide it until the federal boys are gone. Because nothing's better than chlordane."/If you look up "redneck farm family" in the dictionary you'll find their family reunion portrait.My neighbor has obtained Diazanon
Headso: The EPA fact sheet does admit that chronic effects of glyphosate includes "kidney damage" and "reproductive effects."But allowing more shouldn't be a problem! Maybe we do need to abolish the EPA if they are just going to be this bought and paid for....
IdBeCrazyIf: Speaking of wide spread plant killer though, does anyone know of an at least moderately safe way to mass kill a bunch of brush? I say this because on the back of my property is a bunch of brush and grass I want dead but its literally infested with poison ivy...something that I do not react at all well too.
neversubmit: cybernia: That study has been thoroughly and completely debunked and it wasn't done by "scientists."Stephanie SeneffStephanie Seneff is a Senior Research Scientist at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. She received the B.S. degree in Biophysics in 1968, the M.S. and E.E. degrees in Electrical Engineering in 1980, and the Ph.D degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science in 1985, all from MIT. For over three decades, her research interests have always been at the intersection of biology and computation â€" developing a computational model for the human auditory system, understanding human language so as to develop algorithms and systems for human computer interactions, as well as applying natural language processing (NLP) techniques to gene predictions. She has published over 170 refereed articles on these subjects, and has been invited to give keynote speeches at several international conferences. She has also supervised numerous Master's and PhD theses at MIT. In 2012, Dr. Seneff was elected Fellow of the International Speech and Communication Association (ISCA).In recent years, Dr. Seneff has focused her research interests back towards biology. She is concentrating mainly on the relationship between nutrition and health. Since 2011, she has written 10 papers (7 as first author) in various medical and health-related journals on topics such as modern day diseases (e.g., Alzheimer, autism, cardiovascular diseases), analysis and search of databases of drug side effects using NLP techniques, and the impact of nutritional deficiencies and environmental toxins on human health.I can't find much on Anthony Samsel but he doesn't seem to be a scientist
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