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2013-07-24 10:59:38 AM
Turnpike widening between interchanges 6 and 9

*snert*

We're done here people
 
2013-07-24 11:30:44 AM
NJ Turnpike administrator Dennis Moore had no comment.
 
2013-07-24 11:33:00 AM
Government is the single greatest criminal act against humanity in the history of humanity
 
2013-07-24 11:35:49 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: NJ Turnpike administrator Dennis Moore had no comment.


what, they're taking lupins, now?

/used to skip the SB toll by ducking around the back of the last service station.
 
2013-07-24 11:38:18 AM
NJ Tunpike is also I-95 which adds to the total.  Other states like PA 95 isn't a toll road...
 
2013-07-24 11:40:28 AM
Why do you park in a driveway and drive on a parkway?
 
2013-07-24 11:41:02 AM
People will pay a lot of money to get out of Jersey.
 
2013-07-24 11:51:04 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Government is the single greatest criminal act against humanity in the history of humanity


The second being your Fark posts after neglecting to take your meds for a few days?
 
2013-07-24 11:54:08 AM
Need to buy me a road.
 
2013-07-24 11:54:41 AM
I always knew $20 to go the whole length of that road was rather steep.
 
2013-07-24 11:56:52 AM
At least it's better than Tulsa, where literally every road out of town is a toll road.
 
2013-07-24 11:57:50 AM

uncleacid: People will pay a lot of money to get out of Jersey.


Yep, we charge people to leave at Del Water Gap but don't charge people to come in on the other side. That should really serve more as a warning to people.

/not a native, but learning to be as defensive as one
 
2013-07-24 12:13:51 PM
How can you be taxed to travel a road that is funded with your tax dollars? Isn't there something about double taxation?
 
2013-07-24 12:15:19 PM
If it bothers you, then don't drive on it. Apparently for many it's a good value.
 
2013-07-24 12:16:11 PM
Turnpike authority spokesman Thomas Fenney told the Turnpike cannot be characterized as profitable.

Of course that's your stance there, Tom.  That's your job as Turnpike spokesman.  You don't want NJ's fleecing of people who just want to pass through your turd of a state to seem like they are being taken advantage of.

Here's a protip.  If your stretch of road needs its own spokesman, you're charging people too much.  Lower the tolls and fire the spokesman and other hangers-on.
 
2013-07-24 12:17:38 PM

drew is pedal: How can you be taxed to travel a road that is funded with your tax dollars? Isn't there something about double taxation?


It was supposed to become free after the tolls paid for it. We're all waiting on that...
 
2013-07-24 12:23:33 PM
Highway Robbery?  Who the fark steals a highway?
 
2013-07-24 12:24:14 PM

Deep Contact: Why do you park in a driveway and drive on a parkway?


"parkways" were so named because they originally cut through either wild or park lands. I have no idea where driveway comes from, but I'd bet it has something to do with what the private roads leading up to mansions and the like used to be called, and was adapted to common housing when garages & connection concrete paths became standard.
 
2013-07-24 12:24:55 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Government is the single greatest criminal act against humanity in the history of humanity


*eyeroll*
 
2013-07-24 12:28:01 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Government is the single greatest criminal act against humanity in the history of humanity


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2013-07-24 12:40:37 PM

firsttiger: drew is pedal: How can you be taxed to travel a road that is funded with your tax dollars? Isn't there something about double taxation?

It was supposed to become free after the tolls paid for it. We're all waiting on that...


This just in: heavily traveled roads require a shiatload of upkeep.  This is what we get for ditching trains, and going with automobiles as our primary transport.

LordBeavis: Turnpike authority spokesman Thomas Fenney told the Turnpike cannot be characterized as profitable.

Of course that's your stance there, Tom.  That's your job as Turnpike spokesman.  You don't want NJ's fleecing of people who just want to pass through your turd of a state to seem like they are being taken advantage of.

Here's a protip.  If your stretch of road needs its own spokesman, you're charging people too much.  Lower the tolls and fire the spokesman and other hangers-on.


Revenue is not profit.

The guy actually goes on to say that $600 million dollars of the $614 million in "profit" was actually spent on repaying bonds that covered previous repairs, and they're in the middle of a $7 billion improvement campaign, but this is Fark, so we can't be expected to read the whole article, right?
 
2013-07-24 12:49:05 PM
A good accountant can always make a profit into a loss.  They make that profit every year and pay off that big improvement campaign in a few years.
 
2013-07-24 12:53:23 PM

Z-clipped: firsttiger: drew is pedal: How can you be taxed to travel a road that is funded with your tax dollars? Isn't there something about double taxation?

It was supposed to become free after the tolls paid for it. We're all waiting on that...

This just in: heavily traveled roads require a shiatload of upkeep.  This is what we get for ditching trains, and going with automobiles as our primary transport.

LordBeavis: Turnpike authority spokesman Thomas Fenney told the Turnpike cannot be characterized as profitable.

Of course that's your stance there, Tom.  That's your job as Turnpike spokesman.  You don't want NJ's fleecing of people who just want to pass through your turd of a state to seem like they are being taken advantage of.

Here's a protip.  If your stretch of road needs its own spokesman, you're charging people too much.  Lower the tolls and fire the spokesman and other hangers-on.

Revenue is not profit.

The guy actually goes on to say that $600 million dollars of the $614 million in "profit" was actually spent on repaying bonds that covered previous repairs, and they're in the middle of a $7 billion improvement campaign, but this is Fark, so we can't be expected to read the whole article, right?


Really? Roads require upkeep? Shocking.

I am well aware of this, oddly enough. The fact is, the statement was made that when the construction was paid off, the road would no longer have tolls. Nothing about the upkeep was mentioned when the project was pushed through. I am simply repeating what the public was told.

And you want to know why that upkeep is so farking expensive? Transit prices have grown by leaps and bounds causing people to skip the train and drive... but that's another rant.
 
2013-07-24 12:56:07 PM
Wow.

Corzine was attempting to sell the turnpike to a private company for a one time payment of like 200 million.

No wonder he lost all of that investor money when he started that financial company.
 
2013-07-24 01:03:57 PM
LordBeavis: Turnpike authority spokesman Thomas Fenney told the Turnpike cannot be characterized as profitable.

Of course that's your stance there, Tom.  That's your job as Turnpike spokesman.  You don't want NJ's fleecing of people who just want to pass through your turd of a state to seem like they are being taken advantage of.

Here's a protip.  If your stretch of road needs its own spokesman, you're charging people too much.  Lower the tolls and fire the spokesman and other hangers-on.

Revenue is not profit.

The guy actually goes on to say that $600 million dollars of the $614 million in "profit" was actually spent on repaying bonds that covered previous repairs, and they're in the middle of a $7 billion improvement campaign, but this is Fark, so we can't be expected to read the whole article, right?


I did not asserted that revenue is profit.  My assertion is that their expenses are needlessly high if they hire a spokesman...for a road.

You, good sir, are a moran if you think that nonprofits are all benevolent organizations because they have no profit.  Many CEOs of nonprofits try and grow their organization (that's both revenue and expenses-no profit) to increase their own pay/prestige.  As an example, I offer the Central Michigan University satellite school located in my Virginia neighborhood.

but this is Fark, so we can't be expected to read the whole article, right?  comprehend simple sentences.
 
2013-07-24 01:15:48 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Government is the single greatest criminal act against humanity in the history of humanity


You're on the right track-

Leo Tolstoy-
Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us.

no, you're thinking of Trotsky-Completely different process.
 
2013-07-24 01:17:20 PM

LordBeavis: I did not asserted that revenue is profit.  My assertion is that their expenses are needlessly high if they hire a spokesman...for a road.


If their annual revenue was a few million, I would agree. But we're talking about almost a $1 billion/year business. Even if the spokesman is getting $100k/year, that's just 1/10% of their annual revenue, and they'll make enough to pay him during rush hour this afternoon. Your ticket price, judging from what theresnothinglft said, would be $20.00 instead of $19.98, and if you paid that fee once every day for a year, your expenses would have increased from $7,297.70 to $7,300 because of him.

Personally, I'm not sure who you think should have a spokesman if they don't. I guess you could make an argument that not-for-profit companies shouldn't really be doing advertising and that's the purpose of spokesmen, but I'm not totally sure I agree with either of those points.
 
2013-07-24 01:17:54 PM
Roads are not free.

Toll roads pay for themselves and usually a lot more (in New Jersey, they help subsidize mass transit and local roads as well).

This is not news, nor is it robbery.
 
2013-07-24 01:18:34 PM

evaned: $7,297.70


Should have been $7,292.70, sorry. A savings of $7.30.
 
2013-07-24 01:26:08 PM
No one will deny it costs money to maintain roads. I think the problem is that like most other state ran entities in NJ it has become a monster that constantly needs to be fed because there are way too many personal gain incentives and less public interest involved in the process.

This just a small part of why NJ is probably the most expensive state to live in.
 
2013-07-24 01:31:19 PM

DanZero: Turnpike widening between interchanges 6 and 9

*snert*

We're done here people



Especially when you consider how they farked up the work so far.

The first thing they did to widen the road was to narrow 5 miles of it, removing 40% of the lanes.
 
2013-07-24 01:39:42 PM

firsttiger: Transit prices have grown by leaps and bounds causing people to skip the train and drive... but that's another rant.


I wasn't referring to that piddly little Amtrak line.  I was talking about way back, when they killed the possibility of a strong rail infrastructure base in favor of a national highway system because the oil companies needed a market for their cheap and plentiful product.

firsttiger: I am simply repeating what the public was told.


Most major highways are outdated and unable to handle even the current load the day they open, let alone the load 10 years later.  Upkeep has to be funded somehow.  The alternative is to pay for it from the general fund.  Of course, then NJ residents would be footing the bill for all of the millions of out-of-staters that flow through their highway system.  Imagine how crappy it would be if you lived in a part of Jersey where you never used the Turnpike, but had to pay for all of that anyway.  At least this way, the people who use it are paying for it.

I mean, it's Jersey, so there's probably a buttload of corruption and waste, but in the end, the road still costs what it costs.
 
2013-07-24 01:53:09 PM

LordBeavis: I did not asserted that revenue is profit.


I didn't say you did.  But TFA is certainly hinting at blurring the line between the two.

LordBeavis: You, good sir, are a moran if you think that nonprofits are all benevolent organizations because they have no profit.


I never said this either.  I'm just saying "OMG $600 million in revenue!" doesn't equal "huge money-making scam by the state" if operating costs are that high.  It's a necessary utility used by millions of people a day.  It costs a lot of money.

LordBeavis: My assertion is that their expenses are needlessly high if they hire a spokesman...for a road.


And no offense, but that's a stupid assertion.  It's the most-traveled stretch of highway in the the most densely-populated state in the nation.  The thing is monolithic.  It requires constant upkeep that both residents and non-residents have to pay for every day.  Particularly, there's the need for almost constant information releases, because the state of the utility affects daily commutes and commercial trucking.  Why wouldn't there be someone whose job it is to talk to the press?

Frankly, I'd be surprised if there's only ONE guy paid for this.  Do you know how many spokespeople the Pew Foundation has?
 
2013-07-24 01:54:50 PM

Z-clipped: firsttiger: Transit prices have grown by leaps and bounds causing people to skip the train and drive... but that's another rant.

I wasn't referring to that piddly little Amtrak line.  I was talking about way back, when they killed the possibility of a strong rail infrastructure base in favor of a national highway system because the oil companies needed a market for their cheap and plentiful product.

firsttiger: I am simply repeating what the public was told.

Most major highways are outdated and unable to handle even the current load the day they open, let alone the load 10 years later.  Upkeep has to be funded somehow.  The alternative is to pay for it from the general fund.  Of course, then NJ residents would be footing the bill for all of the millions of out-of-staters that flow through their highway system.  Imagine how crappy it would be if you lived in a part of Jersey where you never used the Turnpike, but had to pay for all of that anyway.  At least this way, the people who use it are paying for it.

I mean, it's Jersey, so there's probably a buttload of corruption and waste, but in the end, the road still costs what it costs.


Right. Because corruption and graft doesn't exist in any other state. Asshole.
 
2013-07-24 02:00:07 PM

darch: Right. Because corruption and graft doesn't exist in any other state. Asshole.


Dude, I used to live in NJ.  There's a lot of corruption and waste.  Much of the state is also very nice.  Calm the fark down.
 
2013-07-24 02:01:05 PM

Z-clipped: I mean, it's Jersey, so there's probably a buttload of corruption and waste, but in the end, the road still costs what it costs.


Corruption.. in the NJ construction industry?
 
2013-07-24 02:03:52 PM

Z-clipped: firsttiger: Transit prices have grown by leaps and bounds causing people to skip the train and drive... but that's another rant.

I wasn't referring to that piddly little Amtrak line.


Neither was I.

As for the route in question, I don't go anywhere the parkway (or the GSP for that matter) as it's unpleasant on a good day so I'm not paying those tolls. I'm saying, if you tell the public that once something is paid for the tolls were removed, they're going to expect it. It was part of the reason it was okayed to begin with because of the inconvenience of the road and associated construction. I'm not sure how I can be any clearer in saying "the road was built as a toll road with the promise it wouldn't always be so." So basically they slid a permanent toll road in on a lie. I don't argue the need for infrastructure and fixes, but I kinda have a resentment about being fed bullshiat.

/will still take NJ roads over TV Highway
 
2013-07-24 02:10:08 PM

firsttiger: So basically they slid a permanent toll road in on a lie. I don't argue the need for infrastructure and fixes, but I kinda have a resentment about being fed bullshiat.


I see your point, but I also think it was a bit unrealistic to expect that promise to be kept.
 
2013-07-24 02:11:15 PM

Z-clipped: LordBeavis: I did not asserted that revenue is profit.

I didn't say you did.  But TFA is certainly hinting at blurring the line between the two.


"Blurring the line" is pretty generous; assuming the turnpike spokesman's figures are accurate, I'd call it almost outright lying. The only reason it definitely isn't is because the claim may still be true even if it is entirely unsupported by the given facts.
 
2013-07-24 02:14:50 PM
I see your point, but I also think it was a bit unrealistic to expect that promise to be kept.

Dude, we moved here on purpose. My idea of reality and yours most likely vary quite widely.

/kids NJ
//actually kinda like it here
 
2013-07-24 02:57:25 PM

Z-clipped: darch: Right. Because corruption and graft doesn't exist in any other state. Asshole.

Dude, I used to live in NJ.  There's a lot of corruption and waste.  Much of the state is also very nice.  Calm the fark down.


It's OK Z, I think we just found Corzine's Fark Handle.
 
2013-07-24 03:07:20 PM
I wouldn't mind paying all that money, if the money was actually used to improve the roads.  With all that money, the scenery should be like something out of paradise.  Instead, the northern part of the Turnpike looks like a dystopian hell-scape.  The problem is that the Turnpike and Parkway are monstrous patronage mills.  Lots and lots of do-little or do-nothing jobs that pay big money.  With OT toll collectors can make over $100K, with benefits and pension.

/Dirty Jersey
 
2013-07-24 03:12:48 PM
The best thing about NJ is the blueberries. And I think they are in season now.
 
2013-07-24 03:29:52 PM
TIP:  If you're just passing through New Jersey, you can save yourself about $5 in Turnpike tolls heading north by just hopping on 295 right after the Delaware Memorial Bridge, then onto 195 just before Trenton (or, rather more elegantly, jump off 295 onto 130 up by Bordentown, grab a tank of New Jersey's cheap full service gas thereabouts, and THEN jump onto 195).  This'll plop you onto the northbound Turnpike at Exit 7A.   Heading south, just reverse the order.  I actually much prefer 295 to the Turnpike.
 
2013-07-24 05:35:18 PM

bilgemaster: TIP:  If you're just passing through New Jersey, you can save yourself about $5 in Turnpike tolls heading north by just hopping on 295 right after the Delaware Memorial Bridge, then onto 195 just before Trenton (or, rather more elegantly, jump off 295 onto 130 up by Bordentown, grab a tank of New Jersey's cheap full service gas thereabouts, and THEN jump onto 195).  This'll plop you onto the northbound Turnpike at Exit 7A.   Heading south, just reverse the order.  I actually much prefer 295 to the Turnpike.


Dude, don't be telling people about that or next thing you know, 295 will be as congested as the pike.

Also,  I don't ever remember hearing that once the road was paid for, the tolls would be discontinued.
 
2013-07-24 05:58:13 PM

Deep Contact: Why do you park in a driveway and drive on a parkway?


toomuchfire.com
 
2013-07-25 10:08:10 AM

Z-clipped: firsttiger: Transit prices have grown by leaps and bounds causing people to skip the train and drive... but that's another rant.

I wasn't referring to that piddly little Amtrak line.  I was talking about way back, when they killed the possibility of a strong rail infrastructure base in favor of a national highway system because the oil companies needed a market for their cheap and plentiful product.

firsttiger: I am simply repeating what the public was told.

Most major highways are outdated and unable to handle even the current load the day they open, let alone the load 10 years later.  Upkeep has to be funded somehow.  The alternative is to pay for it from the general fund.  Of course, then NJ residents would be footing the bill for all of the millions of out-of-staters that flow through their highway system.  Imagine how crappy it would be if you lived in a part of Jersey where you never used the Turnpike, but had to pay for all of that anyway.  At least this way, the people who use it are paying for it.

I mean, it's Jersey, so there's probably a buttload of corruption and waste, but in the end, the road still costs what it costs.


Bill Engle(?) has a book, The Soprano State. There is a blurb in there that states the corruption involved in the road repair/building industry costs NJ one million dollars per mile of road more than anywhere else.
 
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