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(Kansas City)   30 years ago today, George Brett lost his shiat   (kansascity.com) divider line 54
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2013-07-24 12:06:48 PM
He became unhinged.
 
2013-07-24 12:07:34 PM
For a very good reason. Pine tar doesn't do shiat to the physical characteristics of the bat, unlike say a corked bat. It simply improves grip. If he hadnt had the pine tar he most likely would still have gotten the same hit.
 
2013-07-24 12:09:30 PM
Question: why is there pine tar way past the gripping part of the bat on so many bats?

Another question: some batters, I've noticed, have black crud all over the front of their batting helmets, sometimes obscuring the team logo.  Is that pine tar as well?
 
2013-07-24 12:13:57 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Another question: some batters, I've noticed, have black crud all over the front of their batting helmets, sometimes obscuring the team logo.  Is that pine tar as well?


Yes.
 
2013-07-24 12:14:10 PM

Dougie AXP: For a very good reason. Pine tar doesn't do shiat to the physical characteristics of the bat, unlike say a corked bat. It simply improves grip. If he hadnt had the pine tar he most likely would still have gotten the same hit.


And that's why the league overturned the umpire's decision.  The spirit of the rule was to keep baseballs clean, nothing more.
 
2013-07-24 12:15:13 PM
I'd like to make a hemorrhoid joke, but I just can't seem to pull one out of my ass.
 
2013-07-24 12:17:15 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Dougie AXP: For a very good reason. Pine tar doesn't do shiat to the physical characteristics of the bat, unlike say a corked bat. It simply improves grip. If he hadnt had the pine tar he most likely would still have gotten the same hit.

And that's why the league overturned the umpire's decision.  The spirit of the rule was to keep baseballs clean, nothing more.


That being said, "it simply improves grip" DOES sound like something that could help the hitter.  The overturn was the right call.  Rule said that if such a bat was found, it should be removed from play.  Nothing about calling the batter out.
 
2013-07-24 12:18:08 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Question: why is there pine tar way past the gripping part of the bat on so many bats?

Another question: some batters, I've noticed, have black crud all over the front of their batting helmets, sometimes obscuring the team logo.  Is that pine tar as well?


I think they don't like the pine tar to accumulate on handle/gripping part of the bat, so some hitters put it further up on the head of the bat or on their helmets so they can just pat their hands there to get just a little extra tackiness on their batting glove.
 
2013-07-24 12:18:46 PM
JohnAnnArbor

Question: why is there pine tar way past the gripping part of the bat on so many bats?

That's where you grip it to get the tack feel on your gloves so you can grip the bat better

Another question: some batters, I've noticed, have black crud all over the front of their batting helmets, sometimes obscuring the team logo.  Is that pine tar as well?

Yes.
 
2013-07-24 12:30:01 PM
Helmet tar is so they can have some extra out there to touch and reapply to the bat as needed.  When I was little I thought it was because they dropped their helmets in the dugout in pools of tobacco spit.  :P
 
2013-07-24 12:31:36 PM

theknuckler_33: I'd like to make a hemorrhoid joke, but I just can't seem to pull one out of my ass.


It's okay, subby did it in the headline already.

/2-for-1 day at Fark!
 
2013-07-24 12:33:33 PM

theurge14: Helmet tar is so they can have some extra out there to touch and reapply to the bat as needed.  When I was little I thought it was because they dropped their helmets in the dugout in pools of tobacco spit.  :P


The Red Sox insist on doing it to poke fun at the Yankees prohibiting their players from doing it(or growing beards, celebrating Christmas, receiving oral gratification, or doing any other fun or human-like activity)
 
2013-07-24 12:35:11 PM
Thanks.  I see.
 
2013-07-24 12:35:59 PM
I submitted a link for this as well.  Go to  http://youtu.be/Jvu_1JMY36k?t=2h12m48s for the entire Pine tar game (link starts at Brett's At-bat) but the homerism of the NY announcers, Gaylord Perry stealing the bat and running into the locker room with an ump and security chasing him, and the makeup inning that followed with Billy Martin appealing at every base that Brett didn't touch the base (it was a different crew, so he figured they could not rule he did touch until finally one of them provided a signed affidavit from McClelland's crew), Martin playing most of his defense out of position, Brett not in make up game b/c he was kicked out is all shown in its entirety.

http://mlb.si.com/2013/07/24/an-oral-history-of-the-pine-tar-game/3/  Oral history from those involved.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/07/24/brett-looks-back-at-infamous- 19 83-pine-tar-game-versus-yankees/  Brett sold the bat to a collector then bought it back and donated it to the HOF.

http://deadspin.com/bat-boy-has-a-helluva-story-about-george-bretts- pi ne-t-719385102  About the Bat boy who blames himself for not taking the bat to the dugout right away.
 
2013-07-24 12:36:36 PM

theknuckler_33: JohnAnnArbor: Question: why is there pine tar way past the gripping part of the bat on so many bats?

Another question: some batters, I've noticed, have black crud all over the front of their batting helmets, sometimes obscuring the team logo.  Is that pine tar as well?

I think they don't like the pine tar to accumulate on handle/gripping part of the bat, so some hitters put it further up on the head of the bat or on their helmets so they can just pat their hands there to get just a little extra tackiness on their batting glove.


A bunch of baseball players are superstitious too. They won't do things like clean helmets if they think it gives them a touch of luck.
 
2013-07-24 12:56:23 PM
 
2013-07-24 12:58:55 PM
Every time I watch that, I expect limbs and other body parts to be ripped away, both friend and foe.
 
2013-07-24 01:18:01 PM

Dafatone: Yanks_RSJ: Dougie AXP: For a very good reason. Pine tar doesn't do shiat to the physical characteristics of the bat, unlike say a corked bat. It simply improves grip. If he hadnt had the pine tar he most likely would still have gotten the same hit.

And that's why the league overturned the umpire's decision.  The spirit of the rule was to keep baseballs clean, nothing more.

That being said, "it simply improves grip" DOES sound like something that could help the hitter.  The overturn was the right call.  Rule said that if such a bat was found, it should be removed from play.  Nothing about calling the batter out.


it improves grip on the handle of the bat, where it is legal. There is no benefit to having "improved grip" 12" away from the end of the bat.
 
IP
2013-07-24 01:22:28 PM

busy chillin': he also lost his sh*t at the Bellagio

true story


Haven't seen that in a while.  Gawd it's double-tapered funny.
 
2013-07-24 01:24:56 PM

busy chillin': he also lost his sh*t at the Bellagio

true story


Maybe he was just shopping at Kmart.
 
2013-07-24 01:44:27 PM
Straight fkn water.

Good ole' Larry with his 48 waist.
 
2013-07-24 01:45:03 PM
(interesting_tag.png)  I remember the original incident from the news but didn't know the final outcome.
 
2013-07-24 01:49:51 PM
Greatest hitter ever in the game? No.
But he was sure as heck very very close to the top of the list, and he was a hell of a lot better than any of the steroid-laden freaks we had to deal with in the 20 years after he retired.
 
2013-07-24 01:55:57 PM
I would never doubt that Martin had been planning to spring that for months, waiting for the right moment, just to screw with Brett's head.
 
2013-07-24 02:08:45 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: I would never doubt that Martin had been planning to spring that for months, waiting for the right moment, just to screw with Brett's head.


Billy Martin was great for that.
 
2013-07-24 02:15:38 PM

Krustofsky: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: I would never doubt that Martin had been planning to spring that for months, waiting for the right moment, just to screw with Brett's head.

Billy Martin was great for that.


sadists usually are.
 
2013-07-24 02:17:39 PM
And Martin protested the game when it was re-played.  Has any game ever had two protests?
 
2013-07-24 02:23:59 PM
Richard Nixon was watching the game that evening. As soon Brett was called our he fired off a letter to the commissioners office in Brett's defense. The letter is in the HOF.

/ It wasn't actually tar on the bat
// It was preparation H
/// Left over from the 1980 WS
 
2013-07-24 02:39:11 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: theurge14: Helmet tar is so they can have some extra out there to touch and reapply to the bat as needed.  When I was little I thought it was because they dropped their helmets in the dugout in pools of tobacco spit.  :P

The Red Sox insist on doing it to poke fun at the Yankees prohibiting their players from doing it(or growing beards, celebrating Christmas, receiving oral gratification, or doing any other fun or human-like activity)


The first player I ever noticed with pine tar on his helmet was Manny Ramirez during his time with the Red Sox, but I had always assumed he put that stuff on his helmet because he was farking retarded.
 
2013-07-24 02:47:39 PM
Fark Billy Martin.
Fark Goose Gossage.
Fark the New York Yankees.
ROYALS!!!
 
2013-07-24 02:51:59 PM

Mentat: Fark Billy Martin.
Fark Goose Gossage.
Fark the New York Yankees.
ROYALS!!!


Doesn't Robinson Cano also make that list for not allowing Royals fans to see Billy Butler sock a few dingers during the HR Derby last year?
 
2013-07-24 02:56:09 PM
 
2013-07-24 03:09:17 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Mentat: Fark Billy Martin.
Fark Goose Gossage.
Fark the New York Yankees.
ROYALS!!!

Doesn't Robinson Cano also make that list for not allowing Royals fans to see Billy Butler sock a few dingers during the HR Derby last year?


Meh. As a lifelong Royals fan, I thought that was a little misguided. It was a dick move to say he'd do it and then not, but hardly worth the stink people made over it.
 
2013-07-24 03:11:19 PM

Mentat: Fark Billy Martin.
Fark Goose Gossage.
Fark the New York Yankees.
ROYALS!!!


Fark the Royals.
RED SOX!!!

/remembers when the Royals were good.
 
2013-07-24 03:16:43 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Meh. As a lifelong Royals fan, I thought that was a little misguided. It was a dick move to say he'd do it and then not, but hardly worth the stink people made over it.


I think we in Phoenix are still pissed at Prince Fielder for not picking Justin Upton for the home run derby a couple of years back.
 
2013-07-24 03:19:01 PM

neuroflare: Thanks for uploading the entire game MLB. If there's one thing you do somewhat well is make the archives available for everyone

/now upload Dock Ellis' no hitter, damnit


Its pretty much known that no video exists of it any more.  People have been trying to find it for years.
 
2013-07-24 03:27:52 PM

downstairs: neuroflare: Thanks for uploading the entire game MLB. If there's one thing you do somewhat well is make the archives available for everyone

/now upload Dock Ellis' no hitter, damnit

Its pretty much known that no video exists of it any more.  People have been trying to find it for years.


Ah, I was under the impression MLB was just keeping it on lock down since it the story kinda makes the organization look bad
 
2013-07-24 03:29:11 PM

steve_wmn: Mentat: Fark Billy Martin.
Fark Goose Gossage.
Fark the New York Yankees.
ROYALS!!!

Fark the Royals.
RED SOX!!!

/remembers when the Royals were good.


i.huffpost.com

"FARK the Yankees!"
 
2013-07-24 03:38:14 PM

neuroflare: downstairs: neuroflare: Thanks for uploading the entire game MLB. If there's one thing you do somewhat well is make the archives available for everyone

/now upload Dock Ellis' no hitter, damnit

Its pretty much known that no video exists of it any more.  People have been trying to find it for years.

Ah, I was under the impression MLB was just keeping it on lock down since it the story kinda makes the organization look bad


If they had it, I could see that.  I'm kind of a baseball geek, and I know *a lot* of people have been trying to find it somehow.  If it existed, there would at least be a bootleg DVD out there, that's for sure.

Back in 1970, not all MLB regular season games were televised.  And if they were, pretty much no one had equipment to record it off their TV.  As well, if it did exist on the TV station's archives, it was probably erased- which was common, or lost.

I'd love to get my hands on a copy.
 
2013-07-24 03:51:35 PM
fark I'm getting old.
 
2013-07-24 03:52:04 PM

downstairs: I'd love to get my hands on a copy.


I'm pretty sure everyone who's a baseball fan would want to see it, much less own it.
 
2013-07-24 04:35:43 PM

neuroflare: /now upload Dock Ellis' no hitter, damnit


Found it
 
2013-07-24 06:11:54 PM
Those Royals vs Yankees games were great.
Chris Chambliss for the win!
 
2013-07-24 06:48:40 PM

neuroflare: Incorrigible Astronaut: Meh. As a lifelong Royals fan, I thought that was a little misguided. It was a dick move to say he'd do it and then not, but hardly worth the stink people made over it.

I think we in Phoenix are still pissed at Prince Fielder for not picking Justin Upton for the home run derby a couple of years back.


You think?
What I don't understand is why the are mad at the Brewers still. Fielder is with Detroit. Go throw water bottles at him, there.
 
2013-07-24 07:25:29 PM
Billy Farking Martin.  I'm pretty sure there's no one who looks back on him nostalgically and thinks of him as a good anything anymore.  Trolled the fark out of Brett, destroyed the careers of most of the A's starting rotation by the time he left there, and is still the biggest joke of the Steinbrenner era.  Dude was just a miserable SOB.

\though you do have to wonder, if he hadn't died in that car crash, how many more times would George have been gullible enough to hire him back?
 
2013-07-24 08:32:38 PM
neuroflare:

/now upload Dock Ellis' no hitter, damnit

Thats what I wanna see.
 
2013-07-24 09:18:09 PM
Baseball sucks.

Always has, always will.
 
2013-07-24 09:29:01 PM

jmr61: Baseball sucks.

Always has, always will.


You feel better now
Thanks for your input.
 
2013-07-24 10:05:45 PM

downstairs: neuroflare: Thanks for uploading the entire game MLB. If there's one thing you do somewhat well is make the archives available for everyone

/now upload Dock Ellis' no hitter, damnit

Its pretty much known that no video exists of it any more.  People have been trying to find it for years.


That sucks.  Dock Ellis and Kary Mullis prove that you can still be brilliant while tripping balls.

/No way am I trying it though
 
2013-07-25 12:56:17 AM
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
 
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