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(Forbes)   Peak iPhone is just wishful thinking by mindless Fandroids   (forbes.com) divider line 64
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2013-07-24 04:37:28 PM  

hamdinger: They'll never reach "peak iPhone" as long as people are embarrassed to be seen with last week's model. "No, man. You need the new September 5th one. I can't believe you're still walking around with that late-August one."


To be fair, they've released like what?  6 iPhones in 7 years?  I'm an Android guy if I'm anything, but come on--one a year on average isn't exactly outrageous.
 
2013-07-24 04:54:17 PM  
Just had my new Nokia 920 delivered to my office... change IS scary, but so far everything seems pretty awesome!
 
2013-07-24 05:00:36 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: And peak Samsung was a fever delusion of mindless iTards.   Samsung sold 71 million phones to Apple's 31 million.

fanning the flames...


Don't know nor care since I'll be getting the Google Nexus 4 because I'm not a status pig.
 
2013-07-24 06:15:56 PM  

wjllope: Mad_Radhu: Meanwhile, Nokia says "Fark everything, we're doing 41 megapixels."

[rack.2.mshcdn.com image 850x477]

I'm not a camera expert, but with a "camera" that light, won't the fact that one cannot possibly keep it steady after pushing the shutter button pretty much negate the impact of so many pixels?


That depends on the amount of light, which directly impacts shutter time. In full daylight, the shutter can be as little as 1/4000 a second. Your hand doesn't shake *that* fast even with all the coke in the world.

In low-light situations, motion blur is always a problem, regardless of the camera. The biggest improvement of the Nokia isn't necessarily the pixel count but rather, the size (larger) of the pixels they use. The sensor in that phone is quite a bit largers -- 2x the size of normal smartphone sensors. It also has a relatively giant lens to accommodate.
 
2013-07-24 06:20:05 PM  

imgod2u: wjllope: Mad_Radhu: Meanwhile, Nokia says "Fark everything, we're doing 41 megapixels."

[rack.2.mshcdn.com image 850x477]

I'm not a camera expert, but with a "camera" that light, won't the fact that one cannot possibly keep it steady after pushing the shutter button pretty much negate the impact of so many pixels?

That depends on the amount of light, which directly impacts shutter time. In full daylight, the shutter can be as little as 1/4000 a second. Your hand doesn't shake *that* fast even with all the coke in the world.

In low-light situations, motion blur is always a problem, regardless of the camera. The biggest improvement of the Nokia isn't necessarily the pixel count but rather, the size (larger) of the pixels they use. The sensor in that phone is quite a bit largers -- 2x the size of normal smartphone sensors. It also has a relatively giant lens to accommodate.


ahh. That makes sense (but again, not an expert). I was having a hard time buying the 'optical image stabilization' aspect that others mentioned... cheers
 
2013-07-24 06:21:47 PM  

Latinwolf: Those high pixels are being packed into a very small sensor, causing the picture quality to suffer as well as having more video noise. Cell phone cameras, regardless of brand don't take pictures anywhere as good as a digital mid level SLR.

And lens, how could I forget that.  Most lens on camera are cheap plastic things.


Nokia is bringing some good game with their camera hardware, though. The optics are designed by Carl Zeiss, and you have 6 lenses (5 plastic and one glass), so the optics aren't too shabby despite being physically limited in size. As I mentioned upthead, the sensor is huge for a cell phone, and is not that much smaller than a Nikon CX sensor. Combine the sensor size with the oversampling to reduce noise, and the quality should be quite a bit better than most cell phone cameras, and closer to a quality point and shoot. They even have a nifty-looking new camera app that lets you manually control things like focus distance and shutter speed.

It's a trade off. Cell phone cameras are never going to take as good pictures as a DSLR, but a good cell phone camera is potentially more useful in terms of being able to snap pictures on the fly because it is pain for most people to carry around a DSLR with you everywhere you go. I have a decent DSLR at home, but I still see value in Nokia and Samsung are both working to raise the bar on cell phone camera. The best camera is still always the one you have on you, and that nice DSLR doesn't do you a bit of good if it is sitting at home on a shelf because it is so big and bulky. They won't REPLACE a DSLR, but these new high-end camera phones make a good complement when you want to be able to take solid pictures without carrying around a lot of kit.
 
2013-07-24 07:13:25 PM  

theflatline: HeartBurnKid: bhcompy: Because of the demise of Blackberry's relevance and the lack of Microsoft to deliver anything for corporate customers(they still push WM6.5 for businesses), Apple is being heavily adopted in the corporate world, which is boosting numbers tremendously.

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned more.  My company is phasing out Blackberry altogether; they're testing Android right now, but most of what they're offering is iPhone (hell, iPhone is the only choice you have if you want AT&T).

What about the android phones that ATT sells?

/disclaimer, i am tech manager at ATT and iphone users are the bane of my existence.


They're keeping the test pool small.  One Android model, on Sprint.
 
2013-07-25 12:46:45 AM  
"Phandroids"? "iTards"?
 Who *are* these people?? Unless they happen to be on the board of directors of one of these corporations, I fail to see how this subject is important to anyone, let alone important enough to argue about.
 
2013-07-25 01:06:14 AM  
ZOMG!!! Peak oil while we're at it!!!
 
2013-07-25 01:56:22 AM  
The phone world is divided into two groups.

1. People who demand to have a say about what goes into their phone and want to be able to choose any damn app they wish.
2. Morons. AKA, iphone fans with too much money and very little common sense.

There used to be a third category for business people and the Blackberry, but that is quickly dying out.
 
2013-07-25 02:02:47 AM  

OriginalGamer: If having a $146 billion war chest means you're doomed, I'd like to be doomed please.


Apple is damn good at figuring out the "next thing" that will make huge piles of money.  Usually it's taking an existing idea and slapping the Apple look and feel on top of it.  That is not a criticism.  Apple is better at getting the user interface right than almost anyone else.  They ride that wave for as long as possible, then the product looses it's new car smell and becomes yet another consistent money maker,  but no longer a money machine.  It's a pretty damn good business model.  Their mistake with the iPhone is thinking they could keep everyone else out through litigation.
 
2013-07-25 04:43:04 PM  
I hate my iPhone 4S... Stoopid battery is shot at almost exactly when my upgrade came up (2 year self life, really?). Coincidence? Maybe, but I don't think so...
 
2013-07-25 04:43:50 PM  

rawbert7: I hate my iPhone 4S... Stoopid battery is shot at almost exactly when my upgrade came up (2 year shelf life, really?). Coincidence? Maybe, but I don't think so...

 
2013-07-25 07:42:48 PM  

rawbert7: I hate my iPhone 4S... Stoopid battery is shot at almost exactly when my upgrade came up (2 year self life, really?). Coincidence? Maybe, but I don't think so...


Non- replaceable battery. Unfortunately, almost all of the new flagship smartphones are trending that way. Screw the "premium look and feel". I want to be able to swap batteries. Besides, it's gonna be in a protective case anyway...
 
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