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2013-07-24 10:28:04 AM
Oh please yes.
 
2013-07-24 10:30:21 AM
Good.
 
2013-07-24 10:35:40 AM
So is Selig going to literally, physically wipe his ass with a copy of the CBA?
 
2013-07-24 10:38:10 AM
i.imgur.com

/approves
 
2013-07-24 10:43:33 AM
he's not gonna get a lifetime ban.  i can't see there being any way of him getting more than a single season ban
 
2013-07-24 10:45:13 AM

jayhawk88: So is Selig going to literally, physically wipe his ass with a copy of the CBA?


I think the mlbpa at this stage prefers MLB to punish the really bad seeds than pissing off the players that are clean.

Plus, I think all this is in the cba.
 
2013-07-24 10:46:06 AM
How can it be Lifetime?  There are no women being beaten by their drunken husbands.
 
2013-07-24 10:46:06 AM
Well hurry the fark up already.  Time's a-wastin'.
 
2013-07-24 10:47:24 AM

animesucks: he's not gonna get a lifetime ban.  i can't see there being any way of him getting more than a single season ban


The reports say that they have more, much more, on arod than they did on Braun.

Plus, he swats at gloves like a girl.
 
2013-07-24 10:51:23 AM

Dinobot: Plus, I think all this is in the cba.


I'm sure lifetime ban is in there somewhere, but wasn't there like a tier for offenses? 1st = 50, 2nd =100, something like that?

Not that I'm against dropping the hammer on these fools, I'm just curious how they could just go right from one suspension to lifetime ban in ARod's case.
 
2013-07-24 10:54:41 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Well hurry the fark up already.  Time's a-wastin'.


This pretty much sums it up.  When your win-at-all-costs team's fans hope you get banned for life, you've failed at a level few failures have ever reached.
 
2013-07-24 10:58:07 AM
Can we take away the 2009 "victory" then?
 
2013-07-24 11:05:03 AM

jayhawk88: Not that I'm against dropping the hammer on these fools, I'm just curious how they could just go right from one suspension to lifetime ban in ARod's case.


In Braun's case they went over 50 with no prior, right? From a Tom Verducci column:

"The ladder of discipline of 50 games/100 games/lifetime ban refers to failed tests and is immutable as it relates to those tests. But Braun's suspension falls under the commissioner's discretion to discipline players for "just cause" -- and for any length or fine -- if they are found to be in violation of the JDP [joint drug program] without a positive test."

My guess is because Braun cut a deal, admitted fault, and essentially plead guilty for a lesser punishment. Rodriguez admitted to using in the past. If they link him to using again since then, and show that he is a habitual doper, then Selig can probably take the same approach. It's highly unlikely that A-Rod will make any admission of guilt at this stage of his career so the punishment will be harsher.
 
2013-07-24 11:07:25 AM

Nana's Vibrator: Yanks_RSJ: Well hurry the fark up already.  Time's a-wastin'.

This pretty much sums it up.  When your win-at-all-costs team's fans hope you get banned for life, you've failed at a level few failures have ever reached.


I just want the Yankees to get away from that contract.  A lifetime ban would suffice.

jayhawk88: I'm sure lifetime ban is in there somewhere, but wasn't there like a tier for offenses? 1st = 50, 2nd =100, something like that?

Not that I'm against dropping the hammer on these fools, I'm just curious how they could just go right from one suspension to lifetime ban in ARod's case.


It's been reported (take with a grain of salt) that A-Rod not only was involved with Biogenesis for PED purposes, but attempted to purchase the documents from the company in order to destroy them when this scandal became public.  If there is any truth to that, it goes far beyond simply failing a test.
 
2013-07-24 11:08:00 AM

jayhawk88: Dinobot: Plus, I think all this is in the cba.

I'm sure lifetime ban is in there somewhere, but wasn't there like a tier for offenses? 1st = 50, 2nd =100, something like that?

Not that I'm against dropping the hammer on these fools, I'm just curious how they could just go right from one suspension to lifetime ban in ARod's case.


I think its because he was offering to pay off people not to talk with MLB investigators, they got pissed about it and the MLBPA seems to be on board with punishment along with strong evidence.

I also don't understand why these people could be so stupid, if it were me and I was gonna cheat just do what other rich guys do, buy them from southeast Asia.
 
2013-07-24 11:08:14 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Can we take away the 2009 "victory" then?


Not without calling into question every outcome of every game ever played, because A-Rod is not the first, last or only cheater/PED user in baseball.
 
2013-07-24 11:09:56 AM
Oh and I don't want him banned, personally I would like to see him only get a 2 game suspension so the yanks are forced to pay him.
 
2013-07-24 11:13:31 AM
At this point I can see him getting the biggest boo at Yankee Stadium than any player ever wearing the pinstripes, should he return.  I think we're over accepting him just because of the laundry.  Ban his lying cheating ass.

cameroncrazy1984: Can we take away the 2009 "victory" then?


Nope.
 
2013-07-24 11:13:41 AM

idesofmarch: cameroncrazy1984: Can we take away the 2009 "victory" then?

Not without calling into question every outcome of every game ever played, because A-Rod is not the first, last or only cheater/PED user in baseball.


It's like people forget that there are more than 100 unidentified players from the 2003 list of positive tests.  There isn't a single World Series champion in the last 20-25 years that can be considered "clean".
 
2013-07-24 11:14:49 AM

Yanks_RSJ: It's been reported (take with a grain of salt) that A-Rod not only was involved with Biogenesis for PED purposes, but attempted to purchase the documents from the company in order to destroy them when this scandal became public. If there is any truth to that, it goes far beyond simply failing a test.


Plus, again according to some reports, A-Rod's name appears on the transaction lists far more than anyone else. And for all sorts of different things, not just one or two drugs - including various masking agents (both legal and not).
 
2013-07-24 11:16:08 AM
So ARod had shots up his butt so he could be better in baseball and break records while Pete Rose broke Ty Cobb'shiatting record without shots up his butt. However, Rose did bet after he retired from playing professional baseball.

Which one would you have to choose to be elected in the HOF? There is no neither option.
 
2013-07-24 11:16:54 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Can we take away the 2009 "victory" then?


Speaking as a Phillies fan, A-Rod was not the sole, or probably even the main, reason that the Yankees won that series.
 
2013-07-24 11:18:19 AM

steamingpile: Oh and I don't want him banned, personally I would like to see him only get a 2 game suspension so the yanks are forced to pay him.


Pretty much this.

I am torn all the way around. Can we give him a lifetime ban, make the Yankees pay the salary and then give him a 120M fine to be paid out in the same increments as the contract. Money goes to charity of course.

This is like SUPER win for everyone and everything.

/best for baseball
 
2013-07-24 11:20:40 AM

Funk Brothers: So ARod had shots up his butt so he could be better in baseball and break records while Pete Rose broke Ty Cobb'shiatting record without shots up his butt. However, Rose did bet after he retired from playing professional baseball.

Which one would you have to choose to be elected in the HOF? There is no neither option.


In reality, there is a "neither" option.


Joe_diGriz: Speaking as a Phillies fan, A-Rod was not the sole, or probably even the main, reason that the Yankees won that series.


And as a Phillies fan you're probably also aware that JC Romero played a somewhat important role in winning the 2008 World Series despite a positive test.
 
2013-07-24 11:20:47 AM

Joe_diGriz: cameroncrazy1984: Can we take away the 2009 "victory" then?

Speaking as a Phillies fan, A-Rod was not the sole, or probably even the main, reason that the Yankees won that series.


Philly did not win the WS because Cliff Lee couldn't pitch 4 games in that series, only 2.

And this guy:

static-l3.blogcritics.org
 
2013-07-24 11:20:50 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Can we take away the 2009 "victory" then?


Not only have you gotten a lot of bites, but you just took the most bitter sounding thing any Red Sox fan could have possibly said in this thread and made it your own, thus granting us immunity and making us look good by default, at least for now. Thanks for that.
 
2013-07-24 11:21:28 AM
Id rather see the yankees have to pay for what they created
 
2013-07-24 11:23:39 AM

Killer Cars: cameroncrazy1984: Can we take away the 2009 "victory" then?

Not only have you gotten a lot of bites, but you just took the most bitter sounding thing any Red Sox fan could have possibly said in this thread and made it your own, thus granting us immunity and making us look good by default, at least for now. Thanks for that.


I like to think Red Sox fans (the rational ones at least, like you) would think twice before mentioning tainted WS titles since Ortiz and Manny were vital cogs in 04 and 07.
 
2013-07-24 11:26:13 AM

mikaloyd: Id rather see the yankees have to pay for what they created


We didn't create anything. See: Texas Rangers.
 
2013-07-24 11:32:08 AM

Yanks_RSJ: And as a Phillies fan you're probably also aware that JC Romero played a somewhat important role in winning the 2008 World Series despite a positive test.


Yup. And considering he was the best reliever that year not named Brad Lidge, it's not like he could be hand-waved away as "unimportant".
 
2013-07-24 11:33:32 AM

mainstreet62: mikaloyd: Id rather see the yankees have to pay for what they created

We didn't create anything. See: Texas Rangers.


Yes, they gave him the initial contract, but the Yanks made him a media GOD, backed it up with an undeserved extension, and proceeded to turn things into a circus.

75% yanks fault.
 
2013-07-24 11:34:25 AM

Yanks_RSJ: I like to think Red Sox fans (the rational ones at least, like you) would think twice before mentioning tainted WS titles since Ortiz and Manny were vital cogs in 04 and 07.


This.
Baseball looked the other way while all this was going on. They let it happen. Now that they are trying to do something to clean it up, fans are acting like they never were complicit in it either. It was always someone else's team, someone else's favorite player. Records were smashed by players who are suddenly no longer heroes but pariahs and fans complain they shouldn't be in the hall of fame, or there should be asterisks next to their gaudy numbers. But me, I suspect, and in some cases know, that members of the team I root for, the Red Sox, are guilty. But so is every other team. You can't start nullifying victories, wins and records now that the cheering has stopped. Like it or not, baseball allowed doping by looking the other way. I cheered when the Red Sox won in 2004 and in 2007. I can't and won't complain about any other player or team. It's hypocritical and illogical.

I didn't like the steroid era, but I didn't stop watching or cheering, either.
 
2013-07-24 11:39:23 AM

WinoRhino: I cheered when the Red Sox won in 2004 and in 2007. I can't and won't complain about any other player or team. It's hypocritical and illogical.


That doesn't stop, like, 80% of farkers - 95% if you just look at the politics tab.
 
2013-07-24 11:40:12 AM
mainstreet62: Philly did not win the WS because Cliff Lee couldn't pitch 4 games in that series, only 2.

Pretty much. They had Cliff Lee, a game-but-end-of-the-line Pedro Martinez, a hard-luck emo basketcase in Cole Hamels, and Joe Freakin' Blanton. Plus Brad Lidge, who's bill for 2008 perfection had come due early.

And this guy:

Yup. Matsui was far more influential in that series than Mr. PED.
 
2013-07-24 11:40:13 AM

Piizzadude: mainstreet62: mikaloyd: Id rather see the yankees have to pay for what they created

We didn't create anything. See: Texas Rangers.

Yes, they gave him the initial contract, but the Yanks made him a media GOD, backed it up with an undeserved extension, and proceeded to turn things into a circus.

75% yanks fault.


Don't the Rangers still owe A-Rod from the $67 million that they ate when they traded him to the Yankees? I thought that that was deferred payments at 1.75% interest until 2025.

If that's the case they're still paying him for 3 years on a bunch of last-place teams...
 
2013-07-24 11:41:15 AM

idesofmarch: That doesn't stop, like, 80% of farkers - 95% if you just look at the politics tab.


Yeah, as I was typing that portion, my brain was trying to remind me of where I was posting.
 
2013-07-24 11:41:21 AM

Joe_diGriz: cameroncrazy1984: Can we take away the 2009 "victory" then?

Speaking as a Phillies fan, A-Rod was not the sole, or probably even the main, reason that the Yankees won that series.


It's plausible that without A-Rod, the Yankees may not have gotten to the World Series.  His game-tieing homer in ALDS game 2 was huge, and if I recall he had another late-inning game-tieing homer in the ALCS against the Angels.  Without those, the Yankees probably still would have won, but you never know.
 
2013-07-24 11:42:14 AM

Piizzadude: mainstreet62: mikaloyd: Id rather see the yankees have to pay for what they created

We didn't create anything. See: Texas Rangers.

Yes, they gave him the initial contract, but the Yanks made him a media GOD, backed it up with an undeserved extension, and proceeded to turn things into a circus.

75% yanks fault.


Know how I know you don't know jack shiat about media in general?

The media makes the person a media "god". Nobody else. They're the ones that decide to ultimately run stories on people.

As for undeserved extension, at the time A-Rod was a threat (legitimate or not) to the home run record. Now, I don't know whether or not A-Rod was juiced in 2009. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. However, in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty. Meaning, the extension was money well spent, as it allowed the Yankees to keep a player responsible for bringing home a championship 2 years later.
 
2013-07-24 11:42:52 AM

WinoRhino: idesofmarch: That doesn't stop, like, 80% of farkers - 95% if you just look at the politics tab.

Yeah, as I was typing that portion, my brain was trying to remind me of where I was posting.


Well that's why I'm favoriting you as "Sox fan but OK, not a hypocrite."
 
2013-07-24 11:43:20 AM

WinoRhino: I didn't like the steroid era, but I didn't stop watching or cheering, either.


Pretty much. Plus, despite what we know now, that 1998 chase between Sosa and McGwire is still one of the most entertaining summers in recent memory.
 
2013-07-24 11:45:21 AM

Phantoms5000: Don't the Rangers still owe A-Rod from the $67 million that they ate when they traded him to the Yankees?


I was under the impression that the Rangers were off the hook when A-Rod's original contract was torn up when he opted to go to free agency in 2007.
 
2013-07-24 11:45:32 AM

Phantoms5000: Piizzadude: mainstreet62: mikaloyd: Id rather see the yankees have to pay for what they created

We didn't create anything. See: Texas Rangers.

Yes, they gave him the initial contract, but the Yanks made him a media GOD, backed it up with an undeserved extension, and proceeded to turn things into a circus.

75% yanks fault.

Don't the Rangers still owe A-Rod from the $67 million that they ate when they traded him to the Yankees? I thought that that was deferred payments at 1.75% interest until 2025.

If that's the case they're still paying him for 3 years on a bunch of last-place teams...


that was the initial deal. In 2010 at the time of bankruptcy for the rangers, it was 24 million. Not sure where that stands.
 
2013-07-24 11:50:11 AM

Funk Brothers: So ARod had shots up his butt so he could be better in baseball and break records while Pete Rose broke Ty Cobb'shiatting record without shots up his butt. However, Rose did bet after he retired from playing professional baseball.

Which one would you have to choose to be elected in the HOF? There is no neither option.


I hadn't heard of this record before. Pete Rose was full of shiat, but I find it hard to believe he was full of as much shiat as a sociopath like Ty Cobb.
 
2013-07-24 11:51:56 AM

Joe_diGriz: Pretty much. Plus, despite what we know now, that 1998 chase between Sosa and McGwire is still one of the most entertaining summers in recent memory.


For sure-- when McGwire hit that record breaking home run I was in a microbrewery smoking a cigar. The microbrewery is long since closed, you can't smoke in bars any longer around here, and the players are outcasts and their achievements tainted. A lot has changed.
 
2013-07-24 11:53:14 AM

mainstreet62: Piizzadude: mainstreet62: mikaloyd: Id rather see the yankees have to pay for what they created

We didn't create anything. See: Texas Rangers.

Yes, they gave him the initial contract, but the Yanks made him a media GOD, backed it up with an undeserved extension, and proceeded to turn things into a circus.

75% yanks fault.

Know how I know you don't know jack shiat about media in general?

The media makes the person a media "god". Nobody else. They're the ones that decide to ultimately run stories on people.

As for undeserved extension, at the time A-Rod was a threat (legitimate or not) to the home run record. Now, I don't know whether or not A-Rod was juiced in 2009. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. However, in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty. Meaning, the extension was money well spent, as it allowed the Yankees to keep a player responsible for bringing home a championship 2 years later.


You know how I know you don't know jack shiat about how a companies PR department works? You take a marketable asset and put it as front and center as much as you can. If you are on one of the world biggest media stages, it helps.

You really don't know if he was juiced? Your not sure of Bonds either right?
 
2013-07-24 12:00:15 PM

Piizzadude: mainstreet62: Piizzadude: mainstreet62: mikaloyd: Id rather see the yankees have to pay for what they created

We didn't create anything. See: Texas Rangers.

Yes, they gave him the initial contract, but the Yanks made him a media GOD, backed it up with an undeserved extension, and proceeded to turn things into a circus.

75% yanks fault.

Know how I know you don't know jack shiat about media in general?

The media makes the person a media "god". Nobody else. They're the ones that decide to ultimately run stories on people.

As for undeserved extension, at the time A-Rod was a threat (legitimate or not) to the home run record. Now, I don't know whether or not A-Rod was juiced in 2009. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. However, in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty. Meaning, the extension was money well spent, as it allowed the Yankees to keep a player responsible for bringing home a championship 2 years later.

You know how I know you don't know jack shiat about how a companies PR department works? You take a marketable asset and put it as front and center as much as you can. If you are on one of the world biggest media stages, it helps.

You really don't know if he was juiced? Your not sure of Bonds either right?


What team doesn't market their players, idiot?

Also, no, we don't know if he was juiced in 2009, but it is likely he was. Likely doesn't hold up in court, but it probably does at an MLB disciplinary hearing.

Have you seen the evidence that MLB has? You are passing judgement without having seen the proof.
 
2013-07-24 12:03:52 PM

Piizzadude: mainstreet62: Piizzadude: mainstreet62: mikaloyd: Id rather see the yankees have to pay for what they created

We didn't create anything. See: Texas Rangers.

Yes, they gave him the initial contract, but the Yanks made him a media GOD, backed it up with an undeserved extension, and proceeded to turn things into a circus.

75% yanks fault.

Know how I know you don't know jack shiat about media in general?

The media makes the person a media "god". Nobody else. They're the ones that decide to ultimately run stories on people.

As for undeserved extension, at the time A-Rod was a threat (legitimate or not) to the home run record. Now, I don't know whether or not A-Rod was juiced in 2009. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. However, in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty. Meaning, the extension was money well spent, as it allowed the Yankees to keep a player responsible for bringing home a championship 2 years later.

You know how I know you don't know jack shiat about how a companies PR department works? You take a marketable asset and put it as front and center as much as you can. If you are on one of the world biggest media stages, it helps.

You really don't know if he was juiced? Your not sure of Bonds either right?


A-Rod has been juicing since Seattle.
 
2013-07-24 12:04:34 PM

Piizzadude: You know how I know you don't know jack shiat about how a companies PR department works? You take a marketable asset and put it as front and center as much as you can. If you are on one of the world biggest media stages, it helps.


The Yankees are the Yankees. They don't have to market anything. And the New York media goes after whoever they want. There's only so many stories that can be written about how classy Jeter is and which actress/model he happens to be dating now, so they turned to following A-Rod everywhere, since he's far more interesting to observe. (For better or worse...)
 
2013-07-24 12:10:30 PM

Yanks_RSJ: I like to think Red Sox fans (the rational ones at least, like you) would think twice before mentioning tainted WS titles since Ortiz and Manny were vital cogs in 04 and 07.


You bet.

Joe_diGriz: so they turned to following A-Rod everywhere, since he's far more interesting to observe. (For better or worse...)


Yeah, but the only "interesting" angle with ARod is anticipation over the impending schadenfreude. Otherwise, I actually find him to be one of the most boring, characterless, flavorless athletes in our era. He's utterly devoid of any genuine ethos or intrigue. He's the like Patrick Bateman of baseball, minus the stabby killing part.
 
2013-07-24 12:13:56 PM

Joe_diGriz: Piizzadude: You know how I know you don't know jack shiat about how a companies PR department works? You take a marketable asset and put it as front and center as much as you can. If you are on one of the world biggest media stages, it helps.

The Yankees are the Yankees. They don't have to market anything. And the New York media goes after whoever they want. There's only so many stories that can be written about how classy Jeter is and which actress/model he happens to be dating now, so they turned to following A-Rod everywhere, since he's far more interesting to observe. (For better or worse...)


They still have a PR department. It is exaggerated by who they are and where they are without a doubt. But it still exists and its sole purpose is to make these guys larger than life.

mainstreet62: What team doesn't market their players, idiot?


So you are agreeing with me? Glad you finally got it through that dome.
 
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