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2013-07-24 12:51:30 PM
IdBeCrazyIf:
Children of Men had easily one of the best long track scenes in cinema history.

I haven't watched that in a while - which scene? May have to queue it up this evening for a second viewing, and I can always get the GF to watch Clive Owen.
 
2013-07-24 12:51:39 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: thecpt: Been waiting on this one for awhile, already told the gf I need to see it opening night. Rumor has it the opening scene is twenty minutes without a single cut. I still remember the moment I realized during CoM that 4 minutes had passed without one. That may still be more impressive considering no or minimal cgi but we'll see.

Children of Men had easily one of the best long track scenes in cinema history. This one may be good but sadly in the days of CGI its far too easy to get these into film. Before CGI it took some damn impressive movie making skill by all players involved to get these long track one takes.


Agreed. I'm okay with them using cgi to amplify uncut scenes though (which was the rumor with com), like maybe add some smoke and rubble to a det blast. Anything that adds to the tension and intensity is amplified with this technique.
 
2013-07-24 12:53:48 PM

OldManDownDRoad: IdBeCrazyIf:
Children of Men had easily one of the best long track scenes in cinema history.

I haven't watched that in a while - which scene? May have to queue it up this evening for a second viewing, and I can always get the GF to watch Clive Owen.


Clive trying to find the girl and baby after beating the cop.

That's the best one, but the car ride with julianne Moore is also great.
 
2013-07-24 12:55:53 PM
On tracking scenes:  From Hugo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_tzoTHhjFs
 
2013-07-24 01:04:14 PM
CGI looks unpolished here. Examples: when the camera comes toward some of the astronauts, it seems like their face is superimposed at an angle that is a little off from where the CGI body is. When Sandra unbuckles.. it's a bit odd looking..

I'm hoping for some great things from this movie, I really don't understand Sandra and Clooney.. I'm not digging the casting, but I've been wrong before.
 
2013-07-24 01:04:57 PM

thecpt: OldManDownDRoad: IdBeCrazyIf:
Children of Men had easily one of the best long track scenes in cinema history.

I haven't watched that in a while - which scene? May have to queue it up this evening for a second viewing, and I can always get the GF to watch Clive Owen.

Clive trying to find the girl and baby after beating the cop.

That's the best one, but the car ride with julianne Moore is also great.


Thanks, I'll watch for that.

One of my favorite shots in all of film: Bound for Glory

Saw this in the theater and said "Day-um"
 
2013-07-24 01:10:05 PM

RyansPrivates: You Are All Sheep: RyansPrivates: BafflerMeal: Mjeck: jayhawk88: mass

How much does the space shuttle weigh in orbit?

Nothing.  But it still has mass. And conservation of momentum (the relevant bit of Newtonian mechanics for a collision) would dictate that a smaller mass object hitting a larger mass object doesn't perturb the larger masses motion as much as seems to be indicated in the trailer.

but doesn't the speed of the smaller object have something to do with that?

Relative speed difference along a given vector does yes, but the larger the mass, there is that much less differential.  For example, assuming the masses don't combine, and all momentum is transferred:

  10 kg mass at 50 m/s hits a 200 kg mass at 0 m/s

you would get a resultant speed of 2.5 m/s (10 * 50 = 200 * 2.5).

This is assuming a perfect/complete transfer of momentum.  If you start combining masses, included changes in angular momentum, elasticity and friction, it gets a lot more complicated.  For example a smaller sized (not necessarily smaller mass) object is much more likely to hit a larger object off center,  Thus more momentum would be transferred to angular momentum.


Ryansprivates delivers! Thank-you!
 
2013-07-24 01:12:14 PM
This doesn't look that good, seems like the trailer is the whole movie.
 
2013-07-24 01:12:35 PM

Mjeck: Thank-you!


YW, had to dust of my 2 years as a physics major, so it was a fun exercise....
 
2013-07-24 01:13:42 PM

OldManDownDRoad: thecpt: OldManDownDRoad: IdBeCrazyIf:
Children of Men had easily one of the best long track scenes in cinema history.

I haven't watched that in a while - which scene? May have to queue it up this evening for a second viewing, and I can always get the GF to watch Clive Owen.

Clive trying to find the girl and baby after beating the cop.

That's the best one, but the car ride with julianne Moore is also great.

Thanks, I'll watch for that.

One of my favorite shots in all of film: Bound for Glory

Saw this in the theater and said "Day-um"


Wow good organic use of the crowd. Also it makes their conversation have a genuine feel to it.

+1

I wish more people tried to use this tactic, but in the mean time we'll get more shaky cam conflicts and cut up conversations riddled with continuity errors.
 
2013-07-24 01:26:11 PM

Riotboy: Reminds me of that scene from Europa Report where the astronaut has to leave the space ship 'cause his space suit is contaminated.    Was the trailer sped-up, 'cause the weightlessness seemed pretty fast?


Europa Report was OK, could of been better though but it is nice to see people making space films again. Moon is the best space film/hard science fiction film I've seen in the past few years though. Not sure what to make of Gravity, yet.
 
2013-07-24 01:32:43 PM

OldManDownDRoad: thecpt: OldManDownDRoad: IdBeCrazyIf:
Children of Men had easily one of the best long track scenes in cinema history.

I haven't watched that in a while - which scene? May have to queue it up this evening for a second viewing, and I can always get the GF to watch Clive Owen.

Clive trying to find the girl and baby after beating the cop.

That's the best one, but the car ride with julianne Moore is also great.

Thanks, I'll watch for that.

One of my favorite shots in all of film: Bound for Glory

Saw this in the theater and said "Day-um"


Bound for Glory is an actual, pre-CGI steadycam shot, and a good one. The scene towards the end looking of CoM for the girl is a series of longer shots that have been CGI'd together to create the  appearance of a long tracking shot. The director has admitted as much. the scene in the car of CoM is a legit tracking shot and is great.

The most impressive *actual* tracking shot for me is Goodfellas. Different lighting, going up and down stairs,  NO TRACK, it's just a ridiculous shot that serves an actual purpose: you feel swept along/off your feet just as Karen must have felt.

Dammit, I love Scorcese.
 
2013-07-24 01:41:44 PM

OldManDownDRoad: I haven't watched that in a while - which scene? May have to queue it up this evening for a second viewing, and I can always get the GF to watch Clive Owen.


The best one, and there are three really good ones in there, is the car ambush sequence. Next would be the building escape but the director admitted that it was CGI edited to appear as a long tracking

HeFixesTheCable: The most impressive *actual* tracking shot for me is Goodfellas. Different lighting, going up and down stairs, NO TRACK, it's just a ridiculous shot that serves an actual purpose: you feel swept along/off your feet just as Karen must have felt.


IDK you got some impressive competition, just off the top of my head I can think of a few.

Boogie Nights, Hard Boiled, Touch of Evil and The Player
 
2013-07-24 01:44:01 PM

Wellon Dowd: INeedAName: How long can you handle floating in space before you just say 'to hell with it' and open your mask?

How much air do they carry with them?


Well, the longest EVA was 8 hours and 56 minutes so they're quite good for a bit. Also, the idea of them having air that they run out of isn't quite right. Basically what a spacesuit does, like any spacecraft is scrub the air of carbon dioxide. Which as you know is dangerous stuff, and yet with every breath we expel carbon dioxide that builds up over time. So basically it'd be a very similar death to those people who die of carbon dioxide poisoning because they have a car running in an enclosed space, or generator etc.
 
2013-07-24 01:49:04 PM
Also I should point out to Subby that Virgin Galactic doesn't go up nearly high enough to be in danger of being hit by space derbies. Suborbital flight is a good start, but honestly the view will probably not be too different from what you get from a U-2.
 
2013-07-24 02:15:13 PM

HeFixesTheCable: The most impressive *actual* tracking shot for me is Goodfellas. Different lighting, going up and down stairs,  NO TRACK, it's just a ridiculous shot that serves an actual purpose: you feel swept along/off your feet just as Karen must have felt.

Dammit, I love Scorcese.



THIS.
 
2013-07-24 02:19:04 PM
So.... what happens if you are in your suit and you puke? Seems like that would end up being kinda fatal.
 
2013-07-24 02:22:47 PM
IdBeCrazyIf:

IDK you got some impressive competition, just off the top of my head I can think of a few.

Boogie Nights, Hard Boiled, Touch of Evil and The Player


I grant you Boogie Nights as a contender. Touch of Evil is more impressive than GF for the close/far/close/far tracking (when you think about it, zoomed in on a guy's hand on a timer, versus backed up to an entire street, wow!), and must have been a beast to shoot, so that is a legit contender, too. What's the tracking shot in the Player?

Hard Boiled, while I ADORE that movie, wasn't hard to shoot. You're shooting in the same hallway, same lighting, the only difference being when someone off-camera says "Ok, stuntperson #23, your turn to jump through the door!"

I'm oversimplifying, obviously, but I can't really put Hard Boiled in there for complexity, just length.

Just googled The Player. Huh, I guess my brain never processed that as a tracking shot. Yes, that's  a great one, and may be more complex than Goodfellas. Thanks for adding movies to my queue!
 
2013-07-24 02:25:17 PM

rukusrazor: HeFixesTheCable: The most impressive *actual* tracking shot for me is Goodfellas. Different lighting, going up and down stairs,  NO TRACK, it's just a ridiculous shot that serves an actual purpose: you feel swept along/off your feet just as Karen must have felt.

Dammit, I love Scorcsese.


THIS.


I have to turn in my Film Man Card, though, for letting the misspelling get by.

/I worship Gesus Krist!
 
2013-07-24 02:25:59 PM

bbfreak: So basically it'd be a very similar death to those people who die of carbon dioxide poisoning because they have a car running in an enclosed space, or generator etc.


Which would be right if those people did die of carbon  dioxide poisoning from a running car.  But they usually die of carbon  monoxidepoisoning.  Carbon monoxide is nasty stuff, it actually gets taken up by the hemoglobin in the blood, much like oxygen.  Carbon dioxide poisoning (Hypercapnia) is due to too much carbon dioxide in the blood (i.e. the partial pressure of CO2) that can't come out because there is too much/too high a partial pressure of CO2 in the breathed atmosphere for it to come out of solution from your blood).
 
2013-07-24 02:33:24 PM

bbfreak: So basically it'd be a very similar death to those people who die of carbon dioxide poisoning because they have a car running in an enclosed space, or generator etc.


That's carbon monoxide.

Carbon dioxide is not technically toxic, but humans cannot breathe it. You eventually asphyxiate, pass out and die.
 
2013-07-24 02:38:58 PM

HeFixesTheCable: Just googled The Player. Huh, I guess my brain never processed that as a tracking shot. Yes, that's a great one, and may be more complex than Goodfellas. Thanks for adding movies to my queue!


That opening shot was a clear homage to Orsen Well's

I'll give you the Hard Boiled in so far as it was definitely easier to shoot as far as camera work, I put it up there because sequencing that many action shots, squibs, timing of stuntmen ect does require skill.
 
2013-07-24 02:50:26 PM

RyansPrivates: bbfreak: So basically it'd be a very similar death to those people who die of carbon dioxide poisoning because they have a car running in an enclosed space, or generator etc.

Which would be right if those people did die of carbon  dioxide poisoning from a running car.  But they usually die of carbon  monoxidepoisoning.  Carbon monoxide is nasty stuff, it actually gets taken up by the hemoglobin in the blood, much like oxygen.  Carbon dioxide poisoning (Hypercapnia) is due to too much carbon dioxide in the blood (i.e. the partial pressure of CO2) that can't come out because there is too much/too high a partial pressure of CO2 in the breathed atmosphere for it to come out of solution from your blood).


Ishkur: bbfreak: So basically it'd be a very similar death to those people who die of carbon dioxide poisoning because they have a car running in an enclosed space, or generator etc.

That's carbon monoxide.

Carbon dioxide is not technically toxic, but humans cannot breathe it. You eventually asphyxiate, pass out and die.


Doh, you're both right. >.> Carbon dioxide is the astronaut one, and carbon monoxide is the car one. Sorry, been a long week.
 
2013-07-24 02:52:58 PM

Ishkur: bbfreak: So basically it'd be a very similar death to those people who die of carbon dioxide poisoning because they have a car running in an enclosed space, or generator etc.

That's carbon monoxide.

Carbon dioxide is not technically toxic, but humans cannot breathe it. You eventually asphyxiate, pass out and die.


And it's a bad way to go.  CO poisoning puts you to sleep; it's nice and gentle.  CO2 concentration is what triggers the sensation of breathlessness, so the feeling of suffocation would be maximized.
 
2013-07-24 02:53:11 PM

stupiddream: Yeah I saw the trailer too.  I looked like the whole movie was in the trailer.


there their theyre: This doesn't look that good, seems like the trailer is the whole movie.


Yep. Definitely looks like the whole movie, seeing as that trailer was one uninterrupted, 2-minute scene. I'm sure you're right. There couldn't possibly be anything more to it. It will be that scene, and another 90+ minutes of nothing.

It's not like Alfonso Cuarón is a good writer and director who might have something a little more than a 2-minute scene in mind. And of course, Clooney is known for making stupid, high-concept movies that can be easily summed up in a trailer. These guys never do anything interesting.

Yep. I've just seen the whole movie. No way the rest of it could be any good or different than what I've just seen.
 
2013-07-24 02:59:35 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: HeFixesTheCable: Just googled The Player. Huh, I guess my brain never processed that as a tracking shot. Yes, that's a great one, and may be more complex than Goodfellas. Thanks for adding movies to my queue!

That opening shot was a clear homage to Orsen Well's

I'll give you the Hard Boiled in so far as it was definitely easier to shoot as far as camera work, I put it up there because sequencing that many action shots, squibs, timing of stuntmen ect does require skill.


It was absolutely an homage, agreed. I guess I never really cared for the story itself, so I didn't have as much footage stored away in the old noggin' (I can play Goodfellas back like I'm sitting in a theater) to remember it all as a single shot. It makes sense, though, that a movie with inside Hollywood jokes would pay tribute to Orson.

Again, thanks!
 
2013-07-24 03:04:16 PM

HeFixesTheCable: Again, thanks!


This is what I get for running a video store for a decade, a lifetimes worth of useless film knowledge.

"Put The Player on Chris"
"But Crazy thats not on the corporate approved list"
"Is corporate here Chris?"
"No"
"Then play the farking movie already"
 
2013-07-24 03:08:21 PM

Wellon Dowd: Sandra Bullock? WTF? It isn't 2005 anymore.


Are you talking about the same Sandra Bullock whose most recent movie opened at #2 and has earned $130M in four weeks? The sam Sandra Bullock who 4 years ago had a $255M hit that won her an Oscar? Yeah, she's definitely washed up.

Meanwhile, no complaints about George Clooney, who's movies over the same period of time haven't collectively earned more than "The Heat" has earned in the last month.

But yeah, Bullock is sooooo 2005.
 
2013-07-24 03:09:28 PM

100 Watt Walrus: Wellon Dowd: Sandra Bullock? WTF? It isn't 2005 anymore.

Are you talking about the same Sandra Bullock whose most recent movie opened at #2 and has earned $130M in four weeks? The sam same Sandra Bullock who 4 years ago had a $255M hit that won her an Oscar? Yeah, she's definitely washed up.

Meanwhile, no complaints about George Clooney, who's whose movies over the same period of time haven't collectively earned more than "The Heat" has earned in the last month.

But yeah, Bullock is sooooo 2005.


FTFM.
 
2013-07-24 03:13:23 PM

100 Watt Walrus: Wellon Dowd: Sandra Bullock? WTF? It isn't 2005 anymore.

Are you talking about the same Sandra Bullock whose most recent movie opened at #2 and has earned $130M in four weeks? The sam Sandra Bullock who 4 years ago had a $255M hit that won her an Oscar? Yeah, she's definitely washed up.

Meanwhile, no complaints about George Clooney, who's movies over the same period of time haven't collectively earned more than "The Heat" has earned in the last month.

But yeah, Bullock is sooooo 2005.


If I want to gaze at a pretty woman born in 1964 I can just look over at my wife.
 
2013-07-24 03:29:41 PM
Does anyone know what the little piano melody at the end of the trailer is from? I know I've heard it before, but I can't figure out what movie it comes from.

Also, re: long shots: has anyone seen Russian Ark? I've been curious about it because of the production (it consists of one 90+ minute Steadicam shot), but I've never heard anything about whether the story itself is actually good.
 
2013-07-24 03:36:53 PM

Sairobi: Does anyone know what the little piano melody at the end of the trailer is from?


Spiegel im Spiegel
 
2013-07-24 03:41:04 PM
Ah, thank you, wjllope! I just realized I knew it from a PBS special, so it'd make sense that it was something classical and not a film score.
 
2013-07-24 03:43:37 PM

Sairobi: Also, re: long shots: has anyone seen Russian Ark? I've been curious about it because of the production (it consists of one 90+ minute Steadicam shot), but I've never heard anything about whether the story itself is actually good.


Its not bad, it ain't great. If you are looking to watch it for its production value and technical talent and merit then it is an excellent film. Story and content, meh, it's typical art house slop for the most part.
 
2013-07-24 03:52:04 PM
I dont care if its dangerous. I'd kill 10 of you to go into space, 20 to go to the moon.
 
2013-07-24 05:19:54 PM

championgoober: Brick-House: So, is this movie like "Open Water" but only in space? And, will there be Sharks? Space Sharks would be cool.

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Space Sharks.  Nice.  :)



www.medangerbolt.com
 
2013-07-24 06:59:41 PM

Brick-House: championgoober: Brick-House: So, is this movie like "Open Water" but only in space? And, will there be Sharks? Space Sharks would be cool.

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 354x500]

Space Sharks.  Nice.  :)


So awesomely stupid
 
2013-07-24 07:15:06 PM

Ford Perfect: Oh, this isn't the movie where they ignore the Roche Limit?
Hmmm...looks okay.


I love that I live in an age where you can mention the Roche Limit, I can right clicky, and learn all about celestial physics while sitting in my home office.  Beats the hell out of my freshman Astronomy 101 in the 80's that was so packed that I sometimes couldn't hear the instructor and our textbook had six or seven color plates in the center surrounded by walls of text.

/kids have it easy these days
/shoebox on the railroad tracks and all that
/movie looks like fun

Brick-House: Space Sharks would be cool.

Copyright it now before SyFy reads Fark.
 
2013-07-24 11:11:21 PM

Valiente: Children of Men was excellent. Cuaron loves his extended tracking shots.


the effect is lost when it is a giant cgi cartoon.

but seriously this looks amazing, and the first time since avatar since I said "im going to try to see that in 3-D"

/loved children of men
 
2013-07-25 04:15:27 AM

Sairobi: Does anyone know what the little piano melody at the end of the trailer is from? I know I've heard it before, but I can't figure out what movie it comes from.

Also, re: long shots: has anyone seen Russian Ark? I've been curious about it because of the production (it consists of one 90+ minute Steadicam shot), but I've never heard anything about whether the story itself is actually good.


"Russian Ark" is weird. Great, but weird. Watch on the biggest screen you can access for sure, to be fully immersed. That will make a big difference in whether or not is strikes a chord with you. It's not a movie for a 27" TV (I speak from experience).

Here's one take, with a little sidebar about the home viewing experience.
 
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