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(The Mercury (Australia))   When you're in court on a rape charge, using "if I needed sex I would have gone to a brothel or a fat girl" as your defence won't endear you to anyone   (themercury.com.au) divider line 150
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2013-07-24 08:40:05 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Hey you can tell a kid the oven is hot, but after that if they burn themselves its all on them


This analogy, it makes a no sense ah
 
2013-07-24 08:49:20 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: IdBeCrazyIf: Hey you can tell a kid the oven is hot, but after that if they burn themselves its all on them

This analogy, it makes a no sense ah


I'm just saying one look at me and you know you'll get burned, so its really not my fault if wimmins keep coming here to get emotionally damaged
 
2013-07-24 08:54:40 AM  
In a twisted and sick way, it is true. Rape is about domination, not about sex.


it's amazing how people hear some pop psychology catch phrase and just run with it like it's a scientific fact.
 
2013-07-24 08:58:26 AM  
Fat girls have standards too.
 
2013-07-24 09:00:51 AM  

ReapTheChaos: "The woman said she was the drunkest she had been in her life. The prosecution has told jurors "there was no way [the alleged victim] was remotely able to give consent"

It's getting to a point that guys are going to have to carry a breathalyzer along on dates to make sure she's not over the legal limit of consent. Drunk people do stupid shiat, sometimes they regret or even don't remember the stupid shiat they do, that doesn't mean they weren't responsible for what they did.  I'm getting a little concerned about the precedent these kind of cases are setting.


Dude, only yesterday you complained that Dubai technically requires 4 male witnesses to prove rape. Here we have two adult witnesses who scared off the attacker and it's not enough for you? Is three witnesses the magic number or was it that Dubai specifies the witnesses need to be male?
 
2013-07-24 09:03:17 AM  
This is why I don't have sex with women. Any one of them could yell rape!

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2013-07-24 09:09:43 AM  

FatPrincess: Fat girls have standards too.


How YOU doin!
 
2013-07-24 09:20:37 AM  

teylix: This is why I don't have sex with women. Any one of them could yell rape!


Umm... Ok.
 
2013-07-24 09:28:02 AM  

dv-ous: teylix: This is why I don't have sex with women. Any one of them could yell rape!

Umm... Ok.


He's just pointing out that they could wake up and he would be in a lot of trouble.  He's the Dexter of the rape world, his victims wake up on 'his table' wrapped in plastic after a different kind of stabbing.
 
2013-07-24 09:46:10 AM  
Its pretty much a lock to say if you think sex woth a passed out drunk is eitjer consensual or fun, youre a psychopath.

seriously. its like farking a corpse. drunks even get cold as ice and nothing in their body moves like living flesh. ask a paramedic.
 
2013-07-24 09:55:41 AM  

willfullyobscure: Its pretty much a lock to say if you think sex woth a passed out drunk is eitjer consensual or fun, youre a psychopath.

seriously. its like farking a corpse. drunks even get cold as ice and nothing in their body moves like living flesh. ask a paramedic.


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2013-07-24 09:59:17 AM  

m00: darkjezter: I've never understood charging people with rape if they have sex with a girl who's drunk.  Because it basically says "If you drink too much, you're not responsible for your actions."  Which, if true, means that DUI laws should be thrown out the window because, hey, drunk drivers aren't responsible for their actions.

Here's the thing:

woman: you raped me, I was completely drunk and nearly passed out.
man: hey! I'm not a rapist! I was really drunk and didn't realize.
courts: sorry man, being drunk still means you are accountable for your actions

See, there is no contradiction here. Because the man undertook the action, and the woman did not. NOW if she was drunk-but-not-passed-out-drunk I'd agree with you. In my mind the case hinges on whether she was conscious enough to physically or verbally indicate consent or non-consent. If she was, then it wasn't rape. If she wasn't, than it is.

Also, I'm not lauding drinking culture here. I think if you are out alone and get so hammered you pass out in a parking-lot then you need an intervention. But you don't deserve to be raped.


Pretty much this.  It sucks, because the dude may not have realized she took a quick turn to pass out alley after their little make out session.  However, if you're the one making the decision, even if all your faculties aren't present, the guilt lies with you.  That is a far cry from "I wouldn't have slept with him if I were sober", and I think it all comes down to just how conscious the other person was.
 
2013-07-24 10:01:18 AM  

farkeruk: mod3072: There are times when a woman or girl goes to a party and gets drugged and/or fed copious amounts of alcohol without her knowledge and, once they are passed-out and/or incapacitated, some dirtbag violates them. That is abhorrent, Sometimes women go out to get a little strange, have a few too many, and wake up next to a troll. That's not rape. It happens to guys all of time, and we just slink off and hope that nobody notices.

A few years ago in the UK there was a big scare about Rohypnhol and "date-rape drugs". We had advertising campaigns about "watch your drink" and so forth. Then, some researchers looked into all the cases of rape and all the cases where the woman was sure that she must have been slipped a roofie and well, it was actually a tiny percentage of them. Most of them just got drunk.

And there's even research been done into the effects of alcohol on women: they become like men. They will fark anything. A guy, yeah, we're more likely to fark an ugly woman because of alcohol, but we're fully aware that we do that. "oh jesus, no I didn't". Try and get out of the house before she wakes up. A woman believes that the only way she could have done it was under duress.


Flunitrazpeam, a benzodiazepine works the same way as alcohol (They're both GABAa Modulators).  They both produce antero- and retro- grade amnesia.
 
2013-07-24 10:04:22 AM  

steerforth: ReapTheChaos: proteus_b: darkjezter: I've never understood charging people with rape if they have sex with a girl who's drunk.  Because it basically says "If you drink too much, you're not responsible for your actions."  Which, if true, means that DUI laws should be thrown out the window because, hey, drunk drivers aren't responsible for their actions.

So you could also just cut off all their fingers and toes, and tattoo their entire surface area? Cause hey, they're passed out, anything goes!

/your analogy is, like you, one of the stupidest things ever to appear on fark

Their comment wasn't referring to someone passed out drunk, just ones that's are highly intoxicated. If women are going to get drunk and then claim rape when they sober up on the grounds that "I was to drunk to make a "rational decision" then the next step is to claim that any decision you make while drunk is not your responsibility.

A couple interrupted what was happening because they could tell that something was wrong. The victim can barely remember it, and the guy is obviously a complete twatwaddle. Despite all of this, you decide to blame the woman. You, sir or madam, are what is known in polite circles as a stupid coont.


Yeah, if you're so drunk that people walking past are like "Oh damn, that's a rape", it's probably a rape.
 
2013-07-24 10:06:05 AM  
Here's a fantastic rule of thumb that should work even if you're drunk (i.e., a sign that is near impossible to miss).  Continue to kiss the partner throughout coitus, if she's not kissing back, she's passed out and you need to call her a cab.  The fact that her body is still moving or her head is lolling from side to side isn't a good enough indicator that she is conscious.  Or you know, just don't chance it with chicks that appear to drunk to begin with (though I could see that as being difficult if you are equally wasted).
 
2013-07-24 10:19:03 AM  

ReapTheChaos: "The woman said she was the drunkest she had been in her life. The prosecution has told jurors "there was no way [the alleged victim] was remotely able to give consent"

It's getting to a point that guys are going to have to carry a breathalyzer along on dates to make sure she's not over the legal limit of consent. Drunk people do stupid shiat, sometimes they regret or even don't remember the stupid shiat they do, that doesn't mean they weren't responsible for what they did.  I'm getting a little concerned about the precedent these kind of cases are setting.


This is my concern as well.

Guys commit "rape" if the girl is underage EVEN IF THE GUY DOESN'T KNOW IT.
Guys commit "rape" if the girl is too intoxicated to consent EVEN IF THE GUY DOESN'T KNOW IT.

Are men supposed to be omniscient like god?  We're supposed to magically know the age of everyone?  And we're supposed to magically know if they're across their individualized "I'm too wasted" threshold? (regardless of what MADD wants you to believe, everyone does have different alcohol thresholds)?
Even if you're in a 21+ club and they ID everyone at the door you're still not immune.  Even if the girl grabs you and pulls you into a park to have sex, you're not immune.
 
2013-07-24 10:21:48 AM  

Farking Lurker: How YOU doin!


Thanks for the smile. You've made my day. ≡^ˍ^≡
 
2013-07-24 10:27:40 AM  

FatPrincess: Fat girls have standards too.


low ones?

/you left that fairly opened.
 
2013-07-24 10:31:38 AM  

nickerj1: Even if the girl grabs you and pulls you into a park to have sex, you're not immune.


Ok, but only a small percent of rapes ever even get reported, nonetheless prosecuted.  Just something to think about.
 
2013-07-24 10:32:37 AM  
Greened and favorited
anyway EIP
 
2013-07-24 10:36:39 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I don't know. I can see Tucker Max being impressed by this.


Tucker max could be dazzled by a stray fart.
 
2013-07-24 10:53:30 AM  

willfullyobscure: Its pretty much a lock to say if you think sex woth a passed out drunk is eitjer consensual or fun, youre a psychopath.

seriously. its like farking a corpse. drunks even get cold as ice and nothing in their body moves like living flesh. ask a paramedic.


That's sick

I had no idea paramedics farked passed out drunks
 
2013-07-24 11:04:45 AM  

imfallen_angel: low ones?


Entirely intentional. Can't speak for anyone but myself so something something vague generalization with no defined assertion.

If we are working on the assumption that the willingness of girls beloved by gravity are equivalent to prostitutes we still don't have enough information since we don't know how the defendant feels about prostitutes. He could feel that since he's offered to pay then he's owed sex. (Money = Power) She's consumed alcohol so she's responsible for all subsequent actions. (Poor decision making = decreased power). She's less attractive them him so he's in the position of power. (Apparently he doesn't know about squashing.) If rape is about power then he hasn't made any case for himself at all.
 
2013-07-24 11:05:50 AM  
OK, the RAPE LIARs have arrived:

TatdGreaser and Nurglitch: The opinions given by the men in this thread represent a common view held anong a great many people (including many women). Your suggestion that they should be treated like dangerous criminals is a RAPE LIE.

ambassador_ahab: Your claim that only a small percentage of rapes are reported is a RAPE LIE.

All we need now is for some RAPE LIARs to try out the old "I was sort-of raped once so your argument is invalid" rubbish and the thread will be complete.
 
2013-07-24 11:07:23 AM  

GRCooper: I had no idea paramedics farked passed out drunks


Why else would I have become a paramedic?
 
2013-07-24 11:09:15 AM  

proteus_b: GRCooper: I had no idea paramedics farked passed out drunks

Why else would I have become a paramedic?


The MCATs were too hard?

/I keed
 
2013-07-24 11:09:17 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: All we need now is for some RAPE LIARs to try out the old "I was sort-of raped once so your argument is invalid" rubbish and the thread will be complete.


Did you get caught raping someone once (only once?) or something? If you didn't get convicted, you should just be glad you got away. Stop whining.
 
2013-07-24 11:10:04 AM  

Abuse Liability: The MCATs were too hard?


Cause sometimes passed out people have good drugs in their pockets, even if they're too ugly to rape.
 
2013-07-24 11:28:51 AM  

Psycoholic_Slag: willfullyobscure: Its pretty much a lock to say if you think sex woth a passed out drunk is eitjer consensual or fun, youre a psychopath.

seriously. its like farking a corpse. drunks even get cold as ice and nothing in their body moves like living flesh. ask a paramedic.


you try it after a half pint of rum in an airport bathroom at farkyou oclock in the morning, SIR.
 
2013-07-24 11:29:06 AM  

FatPrincess: imfallen_angel: low ones?

Entirely intentional. Can't speak for anyone but myself so something something vague generalization with no defined assertion.

If we are working on the assumption that the willingness of girls beloved by gravity are equivalent to prostitutes we still don't have enough information since we don't know how the defendant feels about prostitutes. He could feel that since he's offered to pay then he's owed sex. (Money = Power) She's consumed alcohol so she's responsible for all subsequent actions. (Poor decision making = decreased power). She's less attractive them him so he's in the position of power. (Apparently he doesn't know about squashing.) If rape is about power then he hasn't made any case for himself at all.


Sounds similar to this:

women = money x time

and since time = money

then women = money x money
or women = money2

so since money = root of all evil

women = (sqr root evil)2
women = evil

No?
 
2013-07-24 11:29:16 AM  

m00: It also so happens that these cultures are the dominant force in global culture


monetarily I agree, I was disagreeing with the "for better or worse"
I disagree with that, I choose better. The "worse" bit can go get raped violently, with a chinese cucumber (those things are huge)
 
2013-07-24 11:32:57 AM  

proteus_b: THE GREAT NAME: All we need now is for some RAPE LIARs to try out the old "I was sort-of raped once so your argument is invalid" rubbish and the thread will be complete.

Did you get caught raping someone once (only once?) or something? If you didn't get convicted, you should just be glad you got away. Stop whining.


proteus_b is a RAPE LIAR because he says that those who do not agree with his opinions are rapists. No more tolerance for rape liars. It must be stopped.
 
2013-07-24 11:42:37 AM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: ReapTheChaos: "The woman said she was the drunkest she had been in her life. The prosecution has told jurors "there was no way [the alleged victim] was remotely able to give consent"

It's getting to a point that guys are going to have to carry a breathalyzer along on dates to make sure she's not over the legal limit of consent. Drunk people do stupid shiat, sometimes they regret or even don't remember the stupid shiat they do, that doesn't mean they weren't responsible for what they did.  I'm getting a little concerned about the precedent these kind of cases are setting.

Dude, only yesterday you complained that Dubai technically requires 4 male witnesses to prove rape. Here we have two adult witnesses who scared off the attacker and it's not enough for you? Is three witnesses the magic number or was it that Dubai specifies the witnesses need to be male?


The statement wasn't so much about this case as it was about the idea of women who get drunk and claim rape when they sober up, which if you have been paying any attention to current events lately, is becoming a thing.
 
2013-07-24 11:50:29 AM  

imfallen_angel: No?


Sure but you are more evil.

Men, in order to be satisfied, need time, money, girls, and sex.
So: Men = Time * Money * Girls * Sex.
And: Time = Money
Therefore: Men = Money2 * Girls * Sex.
Also men want to have sex with as many girls as possible so: Girls = Sex
And: Girls = Evil
So: Evil = Sex
Therefore substituting for Evil we get: Men = Money2 * Evil2
Because money is the root of all evil we get:Money2 = Evil
In summation, by substituting Evil for Money2 : Men = Evil3 while Girls = Evil. Men are more evil then Girls.
 
2013-07-24 12:02:21 PM  

GRCooper: willfullyobscure: Its pretty much a lock to say if you think sex woth a passed out drunk is eitjer consensual or fun, youre a psychopath.

seriously. its like farking a corpse. drunks even get cold as ice and nothing in their body moves like living flesh. ask a paramedic.

That's sick

I had no idea paramedics farked passed out drunks


If the ambulance is a'rockin', don't come a'knockin'.
 
2013-07-24 12:22:25 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: proteus_b is a RAPE LIAR because he says that those who do not agree with his opinions are rapists. No more tolerance for rape liars. It must be stopped.


I may be a RAPE LIAR, but at least I don't rely on caps lock to make my point.

/I also don't have sex with children or small animals the way that you do....
 
2013-07-24 12:33:05 PM  

FatPrincess: Men are more evil then Girls.


Not exactly, you fail to see a serious flaw in your logic.

Men must invest this money and time to have these two equal a woman.

A woman doesn't invest in a man, but tried to change him.

So while

[woman = time and money she receives] to a man

to a woman: [man = time and money given / change ]

so...

man = evil /change (x)
and since change is an infinite variable, then this variable is fluid according to the woman and the level of change she wants to commit to,
so
man / evil * x

and

woman = time and money she receives, which can be infinite.

so
women = √(x²) = |x|

 and we can formulate the results at this point:

man = fraction of the evil of a woman, the more she tried to change him, the more evil she is and the less he is.

and

women = absolute evil
 
2013-07-24 12:35:04 PM  

proteus_b: THE GREAT NAME: proteus_b is a RAPE LIAR because he says that those who do not agree with his opinions are rapists. No more tolerance for rape liars. It must be stopped.

I may be a RAPE LIAR, but at least I don't rely on caps lock to make my point.

/I also don't have sex with children or small animals the way that you do....



so you have it differently?

hmmm....
 
2013-07-24 12:35:47 PM  

sendtodave: Dante87336: In a twisted and sick way, it is true. Rape is about domination, not about sex.

This is "she was too drunk to consent" rape, not "he held her at knife-point" rape.


That's the same root thing, though. Just different ways of going about it.
 
2013-07-24 12:38:55 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: proteus_b: THE GREAT NAME: All we need now is for some RAPE LIARs to try out the old "I was sort-of raped once so your argument is invalid" rubbish and the thread will be complete.

Did you get caught raping someone once (only once?) or something? If you didn't get convicted, you should just be glad you got away. Stop whining.

proteus_b is a RAPE LIAR because he says that those who do not agree with his opinions are rapists. No more tolerance for rape liars. It must be stopped.


What about women who lie about getting raped?
What about rapists who lie about their age?
What about liars who said they raped someone?
What about someone who lies but agrees with proteus_b?
What if proteus_b raped someone but they lied and said he didn't rape them but you knew for a fact that he did but you didn't report it which is almost the same a lying since it was lying by omission?
 
2013-07-24 12:51:02 PM  
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2013-07-24 12:53:51 PM  

proteus_b: THE GREAT NAME: proteus_b is a RAPE LIAR because he says that those who do not agree with his opinions are rapists. No more tolerance for rape liars. It must be stopped.

I may be a RAPE LIAR, but at least I don't rely on caps lock to make my point.

/I also don't have sex with children or small animals the way that you do....


See the RAPE LIAR squirm like a weasel.
 
2013-07-24 12:58:54 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: See the RAPE LIAR squirm like a weasel.


Got you there! I LIKE squirming like a WEASEL. That's EXACTLY what I LOVE to DO. There's nothing I like more than SQUIRMING like a WEASEL. The only thing I like better is being a RAPE LIAR.

/that and making fun of the handicapped on the internet... I'm sort of a bad person...
 
2013-07-24 01:33:14 PM  
rape rape rapity rape sexaaaaaaa
 
2013-07-24 01:40:37 PM  
I don't see the point of sex with a passed out woman. If you want sex with someone completely unresponsive... just get married.
 
2013-07-24 02:15:20 PM  
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I could do with some Victorian companionship

// Miss Clara FTW
 
2013-07-24 03:14:32 PM  

proteus_b: THE GREAT NAME: See the RAPE LIAR squirm like a weasel.

Got you there! I LIKE squirming like a WEASEL. That's EXACTLY what I LOVE to DO. There's nothing I like more than SQUIRMING like a WEASEL. The only thing I like better is being a RAPE LIAR.

/that and making fun of the handicapped on the internet... I'm sort of a bad person...


Still squirming...
 
2013-07-24 03:34:38 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: proteus_b: THE GREAT NAME: See the RAPE LIAR squirm like a weasel.

Got you there! I LIKE squirming like a WEASEL. That's EXACTLY what I LOVE to DO. There's nothing I like more than SQUIRMING like a WEASEL. The only thing I like better is being a RAPE LIAR.

/that and making fun of the handicapped on the internet... I'm sort of a bad person...

Still squirming...


you can get ointments for that.
 
2013-07-24 03:44:04 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: OK, the RAPE LIARs have arrived:

TatdGreaser and Nurglitch: The opinions given by the men in this thread represent a common view held anong a great many people (including many women). Your suggestion that they should be treated like dangerous criminals is a RAPE LIE.

ambassador_ahab: Your claim that only a small percentage of rapes are reported is a RAPE LIE.

All we need now is for some RAPE LIARs to try out the old "I was sort-of raped once so your argument is invalid" rubbish and the thread will be complete.


Hey, Mr. Expert Guy.  I'm a Criminologist.  Show me the statistics to back up your assessment that these are lies.

The one about "only a small percentage of rapes are reported" being a lie is already simply false because a small percentage of ALL CRIMES are reported.  This is what creates the "Dark Figure of Crime", that nebulous amount of crime that is greater than the amount being reported.  Efforts have been made to find ways to identify unreported crimes, and indeed statistics gathered using crime victimization methodology have found a larger number of victims of all crimes of all types at all times who did not report.

So, you have to come up with some form of evidence (difficulty:  Not from an MRA website) that rape is reported in numbers that come in stark contrast to every other crime in the world.  Get to it, champ.  I suspect this should not take long.
 
2013-07-24 07:12:11 PM  

ColdFusion: THE GREAT NAME: OK, the RAPE LIARs have arrived:

TatdGreaser and Nurglitch: The opinions given by the men in this thread represent a common view held anong a great many people (including many women). Your suggestion that they should be treated like dangerous criminals is a RAPE LIE.

ambassador_ahab: Your claim that only a small percentage of rapes are reported is a RAPE LIE.

All we need now is for some RAPE LIARs to try out the old "I was sort-of raped once so your argument is invalid" rubbish and the thread will be complete.

Hey, Mr. Expert Guy.  I'm a Criminologist.  Show me the statistics to back up your assessment that these are lies.

The one about "only a small percentage of rapes are reported" being a lie is already simply false because a small percentage of ALL CRIMES are reported.  This is what creates the "Dark Figure of Crime", that nebulous amount of crime that is greater than the amount being reported.  Efforts have been made to find ways to identify unreported crimes, and indeed statistics gathered using crime victimization methodology have found a larger number of victims of all crimes of all types at all times who did not report.

So, you have to come up with some form of evidence (difficulty:  Not from an MRA website) that rape is reported in numbers that come in stark contrast to every other crime in the world.  Get to it, champ.  I suspect this should not take long.


Good thing you didn't hold your breath- you'd be dead by now.
 
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