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2013-07-23 08:16:29 PM
18 votes:
Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.

If I had to walk down the street for my mail I would no longer get mail. Currently, for me, the postal service is primarily an advertising service that offers a few non-advertising services as well. The overwhelming majority of what I receive in the mail is simply ads. So there's just no reason for me to do anything more out of the way then the end of my driveway.
2013-07-23 11:04:49 PM
14 votes:
The Congress does have the power to establish post offices and post roads. That's Article 1, Section 8, Clause 7 of the Constitution.

The Post Office was established to facilitate interstate communication. And the current cluterf*ck that goes along with allocation of funds to this end has essentially given rise to alternative shipping concerns, like UPS and others. And essentially, this lovely idea to "save" money, is essentially a way to give those alternative carriers a shot in the arm. It is a way of dismantling services to create more work for those who are donating to their campaigns. Nothing more. Nothing less. And give rise to the idea that the gub'ment can't do the job, when you have a Congress that is working its damnedest to make certain that is the case.

It's not a matter of walking down the street. It's not a matter of saving money. It's a matter of essentially dismantling services so that private services will be able to pick up contracts and business. It is self fulfilling prophesy to get rid of services that others can do for private profit, and slide some of those dollars into the hands of those who are going to deliver on this promise. It is about propping up industries by cutting out their main competition--and that competition is a service guaranteed by the Constitution, which is inconvenient, and Congress figures that it can starve that particular portion of the beast, because it gets in the way of a buddy's idea to offer an alternative, and paying a fair amount of cash to make that alternative seem even better.
2013-07-23 10:26:56 PM
14 votes:
I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society.  Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.
2013-07-24 12:01:55 AM
10 votes:

jpo2269: If the choice is between centralized mailboxes in a subdivision vs. having to get a post office box, I think the centralized mail box would be just fine.  The postal service has to come up with some serious solutions in order to survive; this proposal doesn't seem to be draconian at all....


The choice isn't between that though. The choice is between paying current post office worker salaries and pensions as they come in, and paying up front for nearly eight decades worth of employee costs up front every time a new person is hired. Each time you lick a stamp you're paying for the health care costs of a current postal service employee to be able to get a checkup fifty years from now. If it sounds insane, it's because Republicans desperately want to destroy the USPS for whatever reason, and it is a law that they be able to cover with today's revenues the eventuality of every employee they currently employ, and any others they hire in the future.

The postal service would be fine had Congress not attached a shackle to its balls and told it to make do.
2013-07-23 11:32:40 PM
10 votes:

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.


Exhibit A:  The USPS is the ONLY federal agency that is required to pre-fund 80% of its pensions for the next 75 years.  Its budget is bloated paying for retirement pensions of future USPS employees who haven't even been farking born yet.  The bill requiring this was signed into law in 2006.

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2013-07-24 12:15:58 AM
9 votes:

Elandriel: I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society.  Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.


Well, that's what it's always been and, before the Tea Party-like mindset where the Right actively sought ways to attack it, that's how society understood it.  Like the roads, like sanitation, it's something that provides a benefit far above its costs.  But we, as a collective nation, are in the process of destroying ourselves, so there it goes.
2013-07-23 08:52:17 PM
9 votes:

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)
2013-07-23 08:30:29 PM
9 votes:
Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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2013-07-23 07:59:11 PM
9 votes:
God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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2013-07-23 07:56:27 PM
9 votes:
...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.
2013-07-23 08:41:16 PM
8 votes:
The best part of them is that if you pry the back of one open, you get to steal 10 or 12 peoples mail all at the same time!

/happens frequently in rural areas
//like the one I live in
2013-07-23 09:09:15 PM
7 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)


Start going to the websites that the people who say that stuff go to.  It usually involves the Illuminati and rounding up gun owners into concentration camps.  They just won't say it to you in an argument because they know how crazy it sounds to people who don't already believe in their conspiracy theories.

For instance, what the NSA is doing is bad, but it doesn't mean that a.) we live in a police state,* b.) Obama is engaged in a coup of sorts, c.) the anti-christ has risen, d.) the first step in logging all gun owners is complete, e.) someone is watching your every move, etc. etc. etc.  I feel like everyone actually wants to live in some fantasy dystopia just so they could biatch more.  Meanwhile, midterm election voter turnout is like 30%.

/*A real police state is so much worse than what we live in today.  This is tasteless hyperbole.  I will accept that if the powers that the government is getting were further expanded and someone unscrupulous person got the presidency we could head that way, but as it stands now we do not live in one.  It's not even an argument.  Stop it with the hyperbole and have a rational conversation.
2013-07-23 08:56:12 PM
7 votes:

CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.


My condo complex has bigger mailboxes just for packages. The mailman leaves the key for one in your mailbox if you get a package that doesn't fit.

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.


This. If they could politically get away with it they'd grant the monopoly on first class mail to UPS, who will immediately raise stamp prices to $10+ and stop delivering anywhere that has fewer than a couple thousand people.
2013-07-23 08:47:38 PM
7 votes:
Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.
2013-07-24 12:02:48 AM
6 votes:
I think we could save millions if not billions by systematically publically executing all GOPers and just taking their shiat.
2013-07-23 09:49:14 PM
6 votes:

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.


THIS. They've pissed away any credibility towards improving government efficiency a long long time ago. I wouldn't believe any such proposal was actually honest and credible without a series of heartfelt public apologies for being such assholes against Federal workers for so long. At least show me the both the Greens and Libertarians both endorsing it and I'll consider it.
2013-07-23 10:35:06 PM
5 votes:
Hey, Issa, halting pointless Comgressiomal fishing expeditions on topics that aren't turning out to be scandals would save a lot of taxpayers' money too.
2013-07-23 09:07:27 PM
5 votes:
Somehow, the way of the Post Office strikes me as a metaphor for the way of the nation.
2013-07-23 08:24:24 PM
5 votes:

vossiewulf: Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.


Especially the growing number of senior citizens that are too chicken shiat to walk down icy sidewalks in winter, just because they're afraid of breaking a stupid hip.
2013-07-23 08:11:33 PM
5 votes:

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.
2013-07-24 09:39:45 AM
4 votes:

Maul555: Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system?  This is a new one to me...

/registered repub
//conservative libertarian
///enjoys getting mail


You haven't been paying attention, then, and I'm not saying that to be a jerk.

In 2006 the GOP passed and signed into a law a provision that the USPS needs to fund the healthcare and pensions of the USPS for 75 years in the future.  This was meant to drive the USPS into massive red ink, after which the House could demand why the USPS was such an utter failure and demand a solution to the problem that ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT involve raising postal rates or ending Saturday delivery or any other reasonable suggestion the USPS has come up with.

There are those in the GOP suggesting that PRIVATE INDUSTRY needs to take over mail delivery in this country, ignoring that we've been doing just fine on the mail delivery system for well over 200 years so far.

Remember...if it's working fine, break it and exclaim that it's broken.

/also a registered Republican
//very sick of the bullshiat from the GOP
///the Teahadists need to go be fat and illiterate somewhere else
2013-07-23 10:16:29 PM
4 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you


In all fairness, without a standard mailbox it would be impossible for a mail carrier to tell where to deliver the mail.  I suspect no less than 10 million Americans would create their own mailbox if given the opportunity, and if you don't have standards about what it should look like or how it should be sized, how do you know what a mailbox is?
2013-07-23 09:24:43 PM
4 votes:

vossiewulf: Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.


We call them mail or cluster islands around here. Here's the thing: These work well for condo and town home associations. They are put in common area paid for by HOA dues. For areas of single family homes? There is no area to install them that is not on private property.
2013-07-24 07:26:23 AM
3 votes:

tbeatty: Dog Welder: For such staunch defenders of the Constitution, it's amazing how much they despise the Constitutionally mandatory U.S. Postal Service and want to see it abolished.

I thought the Constitution gave them power to establish post offices.   Nothing says anything about delivery to your house.  Or that it even be done by federal workers.  Or that a U.S. Postal Service even exists.


So you're suggesting that we should just have a bunch of building where people pile up mail and do nothing with it?  Because according to you that's all the U.S. Constitution demands.

If you look at the OVERALL COST of the U.S. Postal Service, it's a drop in the bucket compared to anything else this country does for the services they create.  There is NO PRIVATE BUSINESS around that could do what the U.S. Postal Service does at the prices they do it.  But what about FedEx and UPS?  THEY USE THE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE EXTENSIVELY and they themselves would not be able to function without it.

If you get rid of the USPS, you would farking CRIPPLE COMMERCE in this country.

The Teahadists are farking idiots and should be driven from public office.  Maybe they should stop trying to actively ruin the USPS and let the adults in the room take care of things.
2013-07-24 12:54:02 AM
3 votes:

Dwindle: I love how Democrats always stand up for the post office


Same here, since the Post Office is infinitely more Constitutional than the Air Force or a standing army in peacetime or God.or marriage.

One can only marvel and wonder and puzzle that Republicans, staunch and passionate defenders of the holy Framers' Original Intent, don't outshine them with their own zeal.
2013-07-24 12:37:37 AM
3 votes:
1969:  let's put a man on the moon.  The farkin' moon.
2013:  let's stop delivering mail to houses because it's too hard.

Conservatism is supposed to be about reduced spending and smaller government.  At what point did it become infected with full-blown "I quit" defeatism?  Forget big accomplishments like energy independence and peace in the Middle East; we have to deal with politicians who want to shut down the mail because the basic infrastructure of civilization is unsustainable.

Maybe we should just ban this one generation from holding public office, and run everything with a computer until Gen-Xers can be bothered to step in and manage things.
2013-07-24 12:33:44 AM
3 votes:
They could always just charge regular postage for all mail, instead of allowing lower rate junk mail.  My mail volume would drop tremendously....they'd have to use the little flag on the box to let me know if there was really something in there.

I'm not against the USPS per se, but technology and the world is changing, and they shouldn't be immune to its effects.  Most mail could go away, and delivery could drop to perhaps once a week.
2013-07-24 12:33:11 AM
3 votes:
House GOPers give retards a bad name.
2013-07-24 12:32:34 AM
3 votes:
If only there were trillions of US dollars hidden in tax havens off shore we could tap into that could prevent cuts on basic services.
2013-07-24 12:07:32 AM
3 votes:
At my apartment complex, if you get a package the mail carrier just takes it back to the station and lies to this supervisor about having made a delivery attempt and left a notice for you. Then on Saturday morning you wait in line with 30 other people the same thing happened to.
2013-07-23 11:56:01 PM
3 votes:
Let's just dismantle the entire country because it's what Jesus would have really wanted, had he been a racist white person who grew up in the late-twentieth century America and had little to no access to facts, ignored any contradictory information that confused him, and felt his privileged position in society being eroded by people who rightly called him out on how badly he was desperately grasping onto an imaginary America that existed only inside the minds of the corporate interests who wanted to pay less taxes.

See you in church on Sunday, farkwits.
2013-07-23 11:51:28 PM
3 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Mother of God.  Are they TRYING to lose the elderly vote?


They're trying to do what they've been trying to do for years. Kill the Postal Service.
2013-07-23 11:49:39 PM
3 votes:
Mother of God.  Are they TRYING to lose the elderly vote?
2013-07-23 10:42:28 PM
3 votes:
we've gone to the moon, sent probes to the very edge of the solar system, and brought down the soviet union.

But now mail delivery is too hard to do.
2013-07-23 10:30:58 PM
3 votes:

Elandriel: I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society. Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.


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2013-07-24 10:13:27 AM
2 votes:

jpo2269: Bashar,

Of course your take on things isn't really based in reality.  The postal service as a quasi-independent agency of the government is supposed to operate off of its revenues.  Prior to a few years ago, the postal service had never laid off any employees.  The requirement for the postal service fully fund its pensions is neither draconian, nor an act of trying to kill the postal service, it is one endangered example of common sense coming out of DC.

Granted, if the entire federal government had to adhere to the same rules, the size and scope of govt. would be much smaller..  I do not harbor ill feelings towards govt workers, many/most perform a vital service with little to no individual recognition... but if an "independent agency" is truly independent, would they need a govt. bailout?



The congressional mandate to fund the USPS pension plan was imposed on no other public or private enterprise in America. Since 2006, Congress has forced the Postal Service to make enormous annual contributions into a fund for future retiree health benefits, including the $5.5 billion and $5.6 billion mentioned above. In fact, since they began, these payments have accounted for more than 80 percent of the Postal Service's losses.

It is worth noting that the Postal Service's pension funds are overfunded and the retiree health care fund -- into which these payments are transferred -- currently contains almost $45 billion dollars, enough to pay retiree health costs for decades to come.

This congressional mandate is the cause of the "crisis" facing the Postal Service, and it has nothing to do with operations, decreasing mail volume, or the Internet.
2013-07-24 09:06:52 AM
2 votes:
What percentage of the annual tax abatement/subsidy to Exxon would solve the budget problems for the USPS?
2013-07-24 07:55:03 AM
2 votes:

LasersHurt: Goimir: My point was this already is a police state, and has been one since at least the 80s

You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?


It's not your fault. I remembe being told in school:

"You're lucky to live in the USA. Imagine living in a country where the police can stop you and ask you for your papers at any time and ask you where you're going and what you're doing. Imagine going to the store and only being able to buy what they have at that store. Is the produce rotten? Too bad, either buy it or do without. Imagine the police being able to arrest you for being critical of the government, or just hanging out with the wrong people. Imagine the police being able to barge into your homes or listen to your phone conversations without a warrant."

Now we live in a country with Terry stops, where Walmart is the only choice in rural areas, free speech zones, the war on drugs, no knock raids, and the NSA.

/Yeah, I grew up in a Polish immigrant community, 95% of which were people who defected from behind the Iron Curtain.
2013-07-24 07:52:44 AM
2 votes:

SevenizGud: They should just close the USPS, and open it up to private enterprise, just like EVERY OTHER service.

But no, that would make too much sense. It makes much more sense to spend $7 BILLION on a logo upgrade, and sponsoring Lance "Cheaties" Armstrong in a bike race in Frogistan.


Fine.  I hope you don't mind paying $100 for a package to be delivered, or $75 or more for an overnight letter and $35 for a first class letter to be delivered.  That's pretty much what would happen without the backbone of the USPS, since UPS, FedEx, and many other package carriers would have to make up the difference somewhere.  You don't think they'll actually try to lower prices should the USPS go away, do you?

That's not the way it works in the private sector, and if they can gouge your ass for more, they will.
2013-07-24 07:17:44 AM
2 votes:

Dog Welder: But do carry on about unions. It's adorable.


One of the most amazing things the GOP has pulled of is turning the mouth-breathers against unions.
2013-07-24 06:51:54 AM
2 votes:

From the Gizmodo comments section:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my vague recollection was that one of the biggest reason why the USPS is in such a financial bind was that in 2006 Congress passed the "Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act," which required the post office to make payments meant to fund health benefits for future Postal Service retirees. The law requires that the Postal Service pay about $5 billion a year toward future health benefits for 10 years, until 2017. Instead of creating these "solutions," Congress could repealed that law or at least lessen the impact of that $5 billion it would take a lot of that financial pressure off.

The reply:
Yep you're 100% right, they are actually profitable except for the fact that unlike any public or private business in the US, they had to pay the pensions for employees who were 10 when the law was enacted.

It was a Republican ploy to kill the Post Office and replace it with a purely private service, even though FedEx and UPS rely on the post office to deliver their packages (yep if you ship through them, you are actually shipping through the USPS) and both said flat out they WILL NOT deliver mail door to door which is required by law which is why the Post Office exists in the first place.

All a giant scam by the republicans to discredit a service that was actually paying for it's self prior to 2006.

2013-07-24 06:16:06 AM
2 votes:

LiberalConservative: "Earlier this year, the post office wanted to end Saturday mail delivery to save money, but that decision was later changed."
Wow, have never heard of Saturday mail delivery before now. An American thing? Cutting that seems like an easy way to save money. You get your mail on Monday... big deal.


Except the GOP in the House told them they couldn't end Saturday delivery to save money, and they couldn't raise postal rates to bring in more revenue.  Oh, and they still have to fund their pension and retirement funds out through the next 75 years.  Republicans want the Constitutionally-mandated USPS to be abolished, and the only way they can do that is by breaking it beyond repair and then exclaiming, "See?  It doesn't work!"
2013-07-24 06:12:27 AM
2 votes:

ckevinc: Dwindle: I love how Democrats always stand up for the post office, but can't come up with any solution to make it function without doubling prices and junk mail content every two years.

They don't. They stand up for their Unions (and votes).


Maybe if the GOP hadn't passed laws that force the USPS to fund their pension program for the next 75 years, something that no private business practice or any other government agency has to do, the USPS wouldn't be a financial mess.  (Okay, it probably would be a financial mess, but it would only be a fraction of the problem it currently is.)

But do carry on about unions.  It's adorable.
2013-07-24 03:36:47 AM
2 votes:
Am I the only one who's had a billing dispute with a company after going paperless?

Also, this didn't happen to me, but a coworker had his checking account zeroed out several years ago when debit cards were finally expanding out into mom-&-pop underage brothels. His credit union said (a) despite the fact that we are only required to credit you $50 to cover the sudden disappearance of over $20K from your account, we will eat this entire loss and (b) did you catch the part in (a) where we didn't have to do that?

Helpful hint: Fine, go paperless, but pay for everything with credit cards. Then you have better consumer protection and, at a minimum, a line printed on a credit card statement that you can point to and say, "That thing right there is not something I purchased. Fix this, and be gone from my sight."

Other helpful hint: when Paypal makes it almost impossible to have an account without jamming a rusty drain pipe up (your bank account's) butt, they are not doing it because they care about you.

Cluster boxes: Fine, but postal service is actually a fundamental part of a civilized country. Civilization has overhead costs. Pay these costs or GTFO.

// Yes, I read and enjoyed The Postman long before it was made into a bad movie.
2013-07-24 03:28:56 AM
2 votes:
Ah, Republican math. Save precisely zero dollars for hundreds of millions, to make them send billions to a half-dozen donors.
2013-07-24 02:37:30 AM
2 votes:
I, for one, am fully in favor of getting rid of things the Constitution guarantees, once their intended purpose becomes obsolete.

Like, say, the Second Amendment, which became obsolete when we formed a permanent standing army.
2013-07-24 02:31:08 AM
2 votes:

vygramul: theflatline: I order everything online except food or something I need right away, and I pay for the post office, fed ex, or ups to bring it.   The post office could make profit, just like the other two do, but they government will not let it, they want to piece it off to the private sector.

Not quite. The difference between the USPS and FedEx and UPS is that the USPS MUST deliver to every address anywhere in the United States and its Territories. You want to send a letter to some yahoo living out in east bumfark Montana, just past where the dirt road ends? The post office HAS to deliver there. UPS and FedEx will laugh in your face.

Since the USPS has to maintain capability (and that costs money) in places that rarely get business, they could NEVER be competitive, on the whole.


Which is oddly enough, the same reason why private schools and public schools are not equal and opposite. Public schools have to take everyone, and accommodate special needs, while private schools can pick and choose their student body, and oddly enough, drop those that they think will drop their scores or cause too much trouble. Public schools have to at least make the attempt. The point of public schools is not a profit margin, and comparing them to private schools, that ARE supposed to run at a profit, it's not really an even comparison. It's akin to comparing hospice care and the recovery rates at a children's hospital, or a private clinic.

And that's sort of the point. The government takes on duties that for profit companies can't, or won't take on. Because there's not really a profit in doing so. And how many ideas trickle out of government labs, that eventually find their way to the private sector, but whose basis was in pure science research? The government isn't supposed to operate at a profit, and the comparisons to private firms, who do get to pick and choose their clients, that's neither fair, nor is it even a genuine argument. And yet, these for profit firms are still just annoyed that the government is still, after 225 years of service, that the US postal service is still guaranteed by the Constitution...
2013-07-24 02:01:59 AM
2 votes:

USP .45: fuhfuhfuh: If it was UPS, unless I paid the premium for Saturday delivery, I wouldn't see my package until Monday.

How dreadful!


Too bad you missed the bigger point that even companies like UPS and FedEx rely on the USPS to keep their costs down. Eliminate USPS, and watch the rates for the other two skyrocket, since they would no longer have a relatively stable backbone to lean on in tough times.
2013-07-24 01:51:02 AM
2 votes:

Dwindle: ReapTheChaos: I would have no problem with this as long as they completely abolish junk mail along with it. That way I could simply go to my box once a month and get the three pieces of actual mail I receive and be done with it.

That is where most of their money comes from.
And yes, they already tried making cheaper, more plentiful junk mail for extra revenue.


 You do realize that the U.S. Postal Service is  NOT a U.S. government run entity?
It is an Independent organization that is like a regulated monopoly/essential service that
has government oversight. THE USPS does NOT use taxpayer money. It is only funded by
the income it takes in from the sale of stamps and services.

 These people who want to abolish the USPS are MORONS who don't even know how it functions.
2013-07-24 01:35:44 AM
2 votes:
Farking so-called Republicans, we need to throw their asses out of Congress in the mid-term elections and stop this attack on the Postal Service, totally sponsored by the private package companies. It's a farking disgrace.
2013-07-24 01:35:35 AM
2 votes:
look at the DoD budget for 2014...it doesnt matter what any other branch of goverment does until we audit and control the defense spending
2013-07-24 01:13:38 AM
2 votes:

theflatline: I order everything online except food or something I need right away, and I pay for the post office, fed ex, or ups to bring it.   The post office could make profit, just like the other two do, but they government will not let it, they want to piece it off to the private sector.


Not quite. The difference between the USPS and FedEx and UPS is that the USPS MUST deliver to every address anywhere in the United States and its Territories. You want to send a letter to some yahoo living out in east bumfark Montana, just past where the dirt road ends? The post office HAS to deliver there. UPS and FedEx will laugh in your face.

Since the USPS has to maintain capability (and that costs money) in places that rarely get business, they could NEVER be competitive, on the whole.
2013-07-24 12:59:27 AM
2 votes:

Bung_Howdy: vossiewulf: Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.

and fark anybody that believes things should ever remain as they are or were


For the service it provides the USPS doesn't cost that much, and if not for the fact that the Republicans have legislated that it be run inefficiently, it wouldn't be "in the hole" to begin with. Measures like this might save on gas, but converting the whole fleet to newer, hybrid vehicles would save far more and without all the associated hassles. Like nearly everything the Rs come up with, this is stupid policy. Understanding ought to dictate policy, and policy change; not the reverse.
2013-07-24 12:21:46 AM
2 votes:

ChaoticCoyote: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.

What about legal stuff, new debit/credit cards, packages... ?


Fedex, bub, and you'\ll pay what they say and like it.
2013-07-24 12:15:21 AM
2 votes:

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.elsuavio:

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Which are the least profitable and thus most in need of Constitutionally-mandated postal service - also happening to be the reddest tracts in the nation - whose constituents their Republican representatives want to hand over to Fedex.
2013-07-24 12:13:08 AM
2 votes:

miss jinxed: I had these growing up outside of Denver.  What's the big deal?


I had those when I lived in California. It was a pain in the ass. Now that I live in the Midwest I hope we don't get them ever. I'd hate to walk through feet of snow and ice and across sidewalks the city refuses to maintain just to get mail. I like being able to stick my arm outside and get my mail without breaking a hip.
2013-07-24 12:12:21 AM
2 votes:

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.


This is the Postmaster General's proposal for the USPS to not go bankrupt, and the shift has been gradually happening for years. Does he want the USPS to fail too? I guess you have a better way to close a USPS deficit that's $16B and growing?
2013-07-24 12:11:58 AM
2 votes:
Like everybody else said, any newer subdivision already has these, and it isn't even a cluster for the whole subdivision, usually there is a 16 box cluster on every block  (most I see are in the middle of the block somewhere) so nobody has to go all that far.
I live in an older neighborhood now, with delivery to the door, but I'm moving to a newer subdivision in 3 weeks, the cluster box is 3 houses down from mine. It isn't going to be that much harder to get my mail.

I can see this saving some cash, and some people are going to hate it because they hate change. Hell, there may even be some sort of compromise where if a person can prove they are disabled the mail carrier will still bring it to the door. It looks like there is already a "Mail Delivery to the Physically Handicapped Act" that does just that--fill out a form, doctor signs it, postmaster approves it, and you still get mail delivered to the door.

/I really don't care
//Have a PO Box anyway--it is more secure
///Saturdays can be done away with too
2013-07-24 12:10:22 AM
2 votes:
When "cluster mailboxes = third world hardship" you know these people have lost any shred of perspective.
2013-07-24 12:08:14 AM
2 votes:
I'm going to have to side with the pubs on this one. Rural delivery is just plain wasteful. Have you seen some of those backwoods roads in Montana and Wyoming? Why should the USPS have to drive 60 miles out into the middle of nowhere to service 4 or 5 mailboxes of mega cattle ranchers? Let them drive into town once a week/month and get it themselves.

I say clusterboxes aren't nearly draconian enough - centralize everything into post offices. Cut staff and fuel costs and we're off to the races.

If rich folks who live in the country want to have curbside service let them pay the private market the pubs speak so highly of...
2013-07-24 12:06:10 AM
2 votes:

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


Door-to-door delivery for some, miniature cluster boxes for others!
2013-07-24 12:03:59 AM
2 votes:

TwowheelinTim: No smashed boxes from bozos who think they're cool is high on the list.


A solution to this I once read: Get a large metal mailbox, and another the next size down. Put the latter inside the former and fill the gaps between the two with a batch of concrete. Mount it solidly enough on the support pole, and you'll find shards of broken baseball bat scattered around your driveway.

On topic.. my street uses the cluster-box model, and it works fine. One plus side for senior citizens; going to get the mail gives them a chance to socialize with the neighbors.
2013-07-24 12:00:44 AM
2 votes:
I guess if you have a servant bringing your mail to you, it doesn't matter that those other, lesser people have to leave their property to retrieve it.
2013-07-23 11:57:31 PM
2 votes:

Poison Appleseeds: Satanic_Hamster: Mother of God.  Are they TRYING to lose the elderly vote?

They're trying to do what they've been trying to do for years. Kill the Postal Service.


Oh, I know that.  But do you realize how much this proposal would piss off old people?

Any area I've ever lived that's even remotely talked about consolidating postal offices had armed uprisings of old people.
2013-07-23 11:53:14 PM
2 votes:
I will give subby a break as the derp and stupidity stems from the article, not subby's interpretation of said article. But to clear things up SUBBY, moving to centralize mail boxes and away from door to door has been the postal service's position for the last couple of years.  Basically, new subdivisions get a centralized mail box, those who have mail boxes in front of their houses get to keep their current service.

If the choice is between centralized mailboxes in a subdivision vs. having to get a post office box, I think the centralized mail box would be just fine.  The postal service has to come up with some serious solutions in order to survive; this proposal doesn't seem to be draconian at all....
2013-07-23 11:51:00 PM
2 votes:
2013-07-23 11:03:32 PM
2 votes:
I have a mail slot in the wall next to my front door.  I keep a wire basket that can hold about 3 months worth of mail on the floor to collect everything that gets shoved through the hole.  If I had one of those itty-bitty group mailboxes I'd have to go back & forth to keep the stupid thing clear for more junk mail.

media2.woodtv.com

I've already opted out of every junk mail list I can.  Still end up having to recycle tons of mail.  Seems like such a waste.
2013-07-23 10:59:40 PM
2 votes:

Barfmaker: Do you really think that senior citizens stay holed up all winter never leaving their houses?


Many sadly do or only go out when they have someone to drive them somewhere.  Just ask anyone who volunteers with Meals On Wheels.
2013-07-23 09:58:38 PM
2 votes:
I live on the corner.
Does this mean I'm going to have 20 mailboxes on my front lawn?
2013-07-23 09:58:09 PM
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Pray 4 Mojo: Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.

What about non-hillbilles in the sticks?

And... who that fark gets mail they need to see anymore? The internet man... it's changin' the world.

Ain't no broadband in these sticks yet

/not enough population density to make it ridiculously profitable
//dial up is almost worse than no intertubes at all


Check wireless broadband.  Verizon has been a godsend to rural VA.  Otherwise you have to put up with the satellite bullshiat, which isn't as bad as dial up, but is pretty farking close.
2013-07-23 09:57:20 PM
2 votes:
This will make it more difficult for old and obese people on hoverrounds. Therefore it will not pass, even though it would help kill the USPS just that much more.
2013-07-23 09:56:15 PM
2 votes:

NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.


It's already a rule for new developments.  USPS has been dictating their route will include only cluster mailboxes for "new" routes since 2006 since they are allowed to define them as they see fit.  This change is for existing routes.
2013-07-23 09:46:04 PM
2 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.

What about non-hillbilles in the sticks?

And... who that fark gets mail they need to see anymore? The internet man... it's changin' the world.


Ain't no broadband in these sticks yet

/not enough population density to make it ridiculously profitable
//dial up is almost worse than no intertubes at all
2013-07-23 09:43:12 PM
2 votes:
fta According to a recent report from the Postal Service's Office of the Inspector General, ending door-to-door delivery would save $4.5 billion a year.

How? I can guess, but I'd like to hear it from a Republican. And please explain how this fits into your Jobs!Jobs!Jobs! agenda.
2013-07-23 09:38:14 PM
2 votes:
Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.
2013-07-23 09:29:56 PM
2 votes:

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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Yeah... that would totally never happen in rural areas. Never..

thumbs.dreamstime.com
2013-07-23 09:10:24 PM
2 votes:
I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.
2013-07-23 08:41:12 PM
2 votes:
Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.
2013-07-23 08:35:28 PM
2 votes:

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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What, not everyone lives in NYC or nearby?
2013-07-23 08:03:13 PM
2 votes:
Subby sounds stupid and lazy.
2013-07-24 09:09:58 PM
1 votes:
The postal service should be scaled back in a reasonable way.
2013-07-24 04:23:30 PM
1 votes:
Reclassify going to the mailbox as "physical therapy" for the old people, and boom! Two problems solved.

Here to help.
2013-07-24 02:49:38 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: Crapinoleum: Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.

Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.

Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.


Really? So five stops per week, 52 weeks per year, means my house costs 91,780 dollars per year? Wow. That means the 34 thousand houses in my town are costing the USPS more than 3 billion dollars per year? Holy crap. 3 billion dollars just to deliver the mail to a single town in suburban new jersey. no wonder they're having trouble making ends meet.

Or maybe you're just full of shiat
2013-07-24 02:36:21 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.


Absolutely false.  It's PER YEAR.
2013-07-24 10:03:14 AM
1 votes:

midigod: Aristocles: Of course UPS delivers letters, and they don't have to be next day delivery.

I've just now checked my UPS account, and when you select UPS letter, the option for Ground delivery is no longer available.  When you instead select "Other Packaging," and enter the dimensions of a letter, the price for Ground service for the random address I selected three states away from me is $15.22.


This is odd. It seems that none of the UPS packages offer ground service. This is not how it was a few years ago.
2013-07-24 09:57:34 AM
1 votes:

heavymetal: tbeatty: heavymetal:
Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.

I always hear that but UPS and FedEx also doesn't do house to house delivery Monday through Saturday.  So until they have that service and expense added to their bottom line, it is an apples to oranges type comparison.


FedEx and UPS also extensively use the USPS for delivery of small parcels. He's not thinking his clever plan all the way through.
2013-07-24 09:44:13 AM
1 votes:
As many of you already mentioned.  This is another GOP fabricated issue as the real reason the USPS is losing money is the PAEA of 2006.   If the USPS didn't have to prefund retiree benefits (which absolutely no other institution or enterprise would do in their right minds) the USPS would actually be turning a profit right now.

So much for the "conservative" party that values our heritage.  Just so happens the USPS, which has been around since Ben Franklin's time, also directly contradicts the GOP's pro-capitalism/free market agenda...nevermind the fact that the success of capitalism is largely due to the services the USPS has granted over the past few centuries.

I have nothing against republicans as a whole, nor am I a democrat or libertarian.   I just find the spinning of this issue by the likes of Darrell Issa and co. completely dishonest and manipulative.
2013-07-24 09:41:13 AM
1 votes:

gadian: We don't have a cluster box, but my closest two neighbors and I all have boxes right next to each other at the end of the shared driveway.  The driveway is about a mile long and it's about a mile to the next closest little row of mailboxes, so I feel like we're meeting the PO halfway with this.  The farker still likes to leave packages sitting on top of the boxes though, with his half-drunk morning cup of coffee.  Won't even waste a delivery slip and take the package back to the post office.


You live in Alaska if I recall.  Your experience is not typical of the rest of the country. Their are 200 thousand more people in my small county as your entire huge state.  My city equals about half the population of your state.
2013-07-24 09:40:57 AM
1 votes:

Aristocles: Of course UPS delivers letters, and they don't have to be next day delivery.


I've just now checked my UPS account, and when you select UPS letter, the option for Ground delivery is no longer available.  When you instead select "Other Packaging," and enter the dimensions of a letter, the price for Ground service for the random address I selected three states away from me is $15.22.
2013-07-24 09:31:50 AM
1 votes:

m00: heavymetal: Of course their constituents who need the electric buggies to shop at Walmart thanks to their bad dietary choices and sedentary lifestyles, will be the first to complain about having to walk down the street to their "cluster box" for mail.  Then they will use it as an example of why government doesn't work, and why the Federal Post Service must be disbanded and privatized.

Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

I don't think it's this. It's the fact the media has brainwashed people into thinking we have to save every penny even if it means cutting into vital services (hey look, we're "doing something) while completely ignoring the billions of dollars a year GE gets in subsidies, the fact we bailed out New Zealand banks for I think over a trillion, the foreign aid we give to countries that hate us, the foreign aid we give to countries that we owe money, the military bases we keep around the world in places like Germany, the trillions we spend on having a standing military larger than the rest of the world combined coupled with the fact we still can't win a war...

Media doesn't talk about this.

Instead, lets cut education, postal services, and welfare!



Another thing regarding the "we have to save every penny even if it means cutting into vital services" menatality that is never addressed.  These "contracted/privatized" services do not cost any less on the whole, they just pay the workers less.  Any savings gets stashed away in foreign tax shelters by some venture capitalists who win the contract.  Instead of the current postal workers who are making a living wage and benfits pumping their expendable income into the local economy, you have a bunch of minimum wage contracted employees barely getting by. They also wind up more dependent on social welfare programs despite working because they make so little they still qualify for it.
2013-07-24 09:30:29 AM
1 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: Stupid people to the Left, please.
People who can properly handle mathematics to the Right.
Okay now, what's Pension/Inflating US Dollar x Federal Hiring Practices?

If you came up with any answer other than Unsustainable, here's your sign.


You forgot the variable for congressional rules for assigning 50 years of pension money immediately into an untouchable, non interest bearing fund for every employee the post office hires as a mean for bankrupting the post office. Then again the GOP couldn't even successfully wipe out the post office yet.

Ben Franklin would biatchslap them into oblivion. It is supposed to be a service of national interest, not a for profit business.
2013-07-24 09:28:52 AM
1 votes:

Full Metal Retard: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

It was Democrats who ended education in the USA, and replaced it with indoctrination and feel good bullshiat.   I'm guessing you went to all public schools, and found those beyond your intellectual grasp.


Exactly. This is why the red states consistently lead the country in education.
2013-07-24 09:24:13 AM
1 votes:
Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system?  This is a new one to me...

/registered repub
//conservative libertarian
///enjoys getting mail
2013-07-24 09:19:44 AM
1 votes:

tbeatty: heavymetal:
Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.


I always hear that but UPS and FedEx also doesn't do house to house delivery Monday through Saturday.  So until they have that service and expense added to their bottom line, it is an apples to oranges type comparison.
2013-07-24 09:19:11 AM
1 votes:

Aristocles: Z1P2: Not sure i believe that it would save time or gas...

Did you ever have a paper route as a kid? I did, and trust me, if I could have dropped a load at the top of the street instead of having to hit each drive way, it would have saved a hell of a lot of time.


yeah but then they wouldn't have needed as many paper delivery boys so you most likely wouldn't have gotten the job.
2013-07-24 09:17:41 AM
1 votes:

The Larch: Notabunny: fta According to a recent report from the Postal Service's Office of the Inspector General, ending door-to-door delivery would save $4.5 billion a year.

How? I can guess, but I'd like to hear it from a Republican. And please explain how this fits into your Jobs!Jobs!Jobs! agenda.

Because every dollar the post office spends is a dollar taken out of the private sector. And the private sector would have invested that dollar and turned it into 4.5 billion dollars worth of jobs.


in India or Korea or China etc.
2013-07-24 09:16:14 AM
1 votes:

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


rich people gotta keep those tax cuts so they can afford to hire people to get their mail for them.
2013-07-24 09:07:58 AM
1 votes:
anyone who thinks their party is doing a better job of overseeing any government organization
is a nincompoop
2013-07-24 08:57:55 AM
1 votes:

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


The point isn't to set up something that works, the point is to set up something that doesn't work, so they can point at it and say "it's not working, see?".
2013-07-24 08:36:14 AM
1 votes:

tbeatty: UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.


They also don't deliver letters, unless you want to pay for overnight delivery.  And if the USPS goes away, you better bet your ass that UPS and FedEx will both deliver junk mail.
2013-07-24 07:39:21 AM
1 votes:

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Mommy? can I go get the mail?

www.proverbsforlife.com
2013-07-24 07:28:48 AM
1 votes:
I currently live 50 minutes outside of NYC and the town has no mailman, everyone needs a PO Box if they want their mail. Oh and I can only go on Saturday because I never make it home from work before they close on weekdays.

Basically, I already know what's coming if the GOP gets their odd wet dream of ruining the post office to pass. It kind of sucks.
2013-07-24 07:28:24 AM
1 votes:

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


The GOP thinks Somalia is paradise.
/and the faster we can be like that the better, they say
2013-07-24 07:17:21 AM
1 votes:

tbeatty: Dog Welder: For such staunch defenders of the Constitution, it's amazing how much they despise the Constitutionally mandatory U.S. Postal Service and want to see it abolished.

I thought the Constitution gave them power to establish post offices.   Nothing says anything about delivery to your house.  Or that it even be done by federal workers.  Or that a U.S. Postal Service even exists.


Our Founding Fathers got mail twice a day.
2013-07-24 07:17:21 AM
1 votes:
According to a recent report from the Postal Service's Office of the Inspector General, ending door-to-door delivery would save $4.5 billion a year

money makes jobs, we will save nothing
2013-07-24 07:11:56 AM
1 votes:

This About That: Somehow, the way of the Post Office strikes me as a metaphor for the way of the nation.


Republicans purposefully trying to destroy it? Yep.
2013-07-24 07:06:50 AM
1 votes:

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Yea. The elderly should shut up, get in their wheelchairs, and push themselves down the block in 110 degree weather, those lazy asses. God forbid indeed.
2013-07-24 07:02:04 AM
1 votes:

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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And the folks out there probably vote Republican, too.

What I want to know is, . . . does this mean the House Republicans would start hiking over to the main D.C. Post Office to collect their mail? Or would it continue to be delivered right to their very own desks?
2013-07-24 06:51:41 AM
1 votes:
If the GOP is proposing it, it's probably farked up six ways from Sunday...
2013-07-24 06:39:58 AM
1 votes:

Piizzadude: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Piizzadude: Serious question

Can you quit mail service? Just change your mailing address to nothing

I have a buddy who had no mail box, so no address the post office knew about. I don't think you're required to have mail service

/he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you

Yeah I got the spec'd thing covered. They stopped delivering mail to us for awhile (when you actually got things that are important) because it leaned too far to one side.

Now a days it is just bills and BS. The bills I get online already, the BS I could do without.


I would wager you're not required to have mail service necessarily, but pretty much anything to do with money will likely require a valid mailing address. I am thinking in particular wholly digital purchases online with a credit card. I guess you could load Paypal or other alternatives with money and pay without a CC.

So you're not required to have one, but if you don't you won't be able to use certain financial or other services.
2013-07-24 06:37:47 AM
1 votes:

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.


Especially if you're an arthritic old granny who has to haul an oxygen tank behind her to get the mail.
fdr
2013-07-24 06:18:39 AM
1 votes:
The Republican Party is the party that promoted the idea that patents pay doctors with chickens.
m00
2013-07-24 06:16:08 AM
1 votes:

heavymetal: Of course their constituents who need the electric buggies to shop at Walmart thanks to their bad dietary choices and sedentary lifestyles, will be the first to complain about having to walk down the street to their "cluster box" for mail.  Then they will use it as an example of why government doesn't work, and why the Federal Post Service must be disbanded and privatized.

Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.


I don't think it's this. It's the fact the media has brainwashed people into thinking we have to save every penny even if it means cutting into vital services (hey look, we're "doing something) while completely ignoring the billions of dollars a year GE gets in subsidies, the fact we bailed out New Zealand banks for I think over a trillion, the foreign aid we give to countries that hate us, the foreign aid we give to countries that we owe money, the military bases we keep around the world in places like Germany, the trillions we spend on having a standing military larger than the rest of the world combined coupled with the fact we still can't win a war...

Media doesn't talk about this.

Instead, lets cut education, postal services, and welfare!
2013-07-24 05:37:57 AM
1 votes:
Of course their constituents who need the electric buggies to shop at Walmart thanks to their bad dietary choices and sedentary lifestyles, will be the first to complain about having to walk down the street to their "cluster box" for mail.  Then they will use it as an example of why government doesn't work, and why the Federal Post Service must be disbanded and privatized.

Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.
2013-07-24 04:58:06 AM
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: I have a suggestion on how the USPS can save some money.

STOP WASTING IT ON SPONSORING DOPERS TO GO ON PRANCY BIKE RIDES IN FRANCE AND ON RETARDED CARTOON CHARACTER STAMPS!

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Stamps cost a fraction of a penny to print but cost $0.46 to buy for a first class letter. Having different designs cause collectors to buy them at full value but never use them for postage. This is a huge profit for the post office. Whatever they pay for licensing The Simpsons is a small fraction of the money they make off collectors.
m00
2013-07-24 04:11:04 AM
1 votes:

Danger Avoid Death: Yeah, but those banks and corporations are necessary. They send out tons of junk mail every year.


I say this as a Libertarian: People who side with banks and corporations (specifically with respect to their relationship with government) in this day an age are either brainwashed, stupid, or evil. Regardless of their ideology, political or otherwise.

Unfortunately our corporate-owned media is very, very good at brainwashing. And we live in a society that has stopped valuing critical thinking and personal honesty.
2013-07-24 03:36:40 AM
1 votes:
GOP:

DOD federal jobs program: good
USPS federal jobs program: bad
m00
2013-07-24 03:24:09 AM
1 votes:
what's asinine is that we are cutting essential services for people for 4.5 billion, meanwhile handing out trillions to banks and corporations.
2013-07-24 03:18:54 AM
1 votes:
This sounds like a suggestion by someone who makes these Cluster Boxes...
2013-07-24 03:07:07 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: ReapTheChaos: I would have no problem with this as long as they completely abolish junk mail along with it. That way I could simply go to my box once a month and get the three pieces of actual mail I receive and be done with it.

Dear god this.

I rely heavily on the actual mail at work--legal notice is an area that depends a great deal on the US mail--but holy crap, the amount of garbage that goes along with the necessary stuff is insane. Do we really need to get a sheaf of glossy 4-color ads at a law office or realtor's office every week? It goes straight into the trash. There should be a way to clean that dreck out of the mail and still keep things moving along.


There was a proposal a few years ago to create a do-not-mail list for junkmail. The USPS strenuously objected saying it would go out of business. Junkmail is responsible for nearly all of the USPS's revenue.
2013-07-24 02:08:13 AM
1 votes:

vygramul: TuteTibiImperes: ability to create currency like the US

That's not really something anyone suggests we should do. And Greece has the exact same ability we do.


Not exactly.  They could create actual Euro notes, but it would be in violation of the terms of EU to do so without authorization.  The US is under no such restrictions to print dollars.

While I agree that further devaluing the dollar against other currencies through dilution isn't ideal for all purposes, it does have the effect of making US exports more attractive.  The weaker the dollar, the cheaper other countries can by our goods, which does indeed help the domestic economy in a way.
2013-07-24 02:08:03 AM
1 votes:

Elandriel: I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society.  Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.


Have you not been paying attention at all, throughout at least whatever wars happened within your lifespan?  The military turns the greatest profits of all, just not for the people who pay for it.

/With their money, or their lives.
2013-07-24 01:54:11 AM
1 votes:
piggybankblog.com
2013-07-24 01:49:29 AM
1 votes:

OhioUGrad: Will the GOP take turns trying to name these USPS cluster boxes like they did post offices?


They will all be named after Ronald Reagan.
2013-07-24 01:48:49 AM
1 votes:

USP .45: Any Pie Left: Farking so-called Republicans, we need to throw their asses out of Congress in the mid-term elections and stop this attack on the Postal Service, totally sponsored by the private package companies. It's a farking disgrace.

I know right! I totally hate it when UPS and Fedex let me know what is going to arrive before it even arrives. They're using this crazy QR and barcode illuminati shiat. I totally want to walk to my mailbox in 80% humidity to find nothing but a Domino's advertisement. It's in the Constitution!


The last 5 packages I have had delivered to my house via UPS Ground have used the USPS as the last-mile carrier. In each case, the tracking went from having the packing label created to being handed off to the local USPS office, with no tracking in between or updates on delivery. At least when UPS drags their asses on the hand-off on a Friday, USPS will deliver it Saturday. If it was UPS, unless I paid the premium for Saturday delivery, I wouldn't see my package until Monday.
2013-07-24 01:48:32 AM
1 votes:
Will the GOP take turns trying to name these USPS cluster boxes like they did post offices?
2013-07-24 01:44:00 AM
1 votes:

USP .45: Any Pie Left: Farking so-called Republicans, we need to throw their asses out of Congress in the mid-term elections and stop this attack on the Postal Service, totally sponsored by the private package companies. It's a farking disgrace.

I know right! I totally hate it when UPS and Fedex let me know what is going to arrive before it even arrives. They're using this crazy QR and barcode illuminati shiat. I totally want to walk to my mailbox in 80% humidity to find nothing but a Domino's advertisement. It's in the Constitution!


So long as UPS sends people postcards saying they can't find their addresses, the USPS needs to remain in business.
2013-07-24 01:43:51 AM
1 votes:

Lsherm: Liberals:  keep pretending money grows on trees.


graphics8.nytimes.com

The word you are looking for is "conservatives". Conservatives.
2013-07-24 01:41:39 AM
1 votes:

Lsherm: TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: Satanic_Hamster: Right wing troll accounts:
Listen.  I know you guys are trolls and love "pissing off the libs" and arguing against anything "a lib" is in favor of.

But please, look at this from a matter of helping the conservative / Republican party.  Do you realize how batshiat crazy pissed off this type of proposal will make old people?  Old people, who are a fairly core and reliable Republican voting block?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and moderates:
Just let the Republicans run with this.  It won't make it past the Senate and it will give all the Democrats next election the ability to run on a platform of "Republicans want to stop the elderly from getting mail delivery at home and we're the only thing protecting it."

Old people like Medicare more than the post office.

Liberals:  keep pretending money grows on trees.  As Detroit found out, you can't borrow your way to success.

The big difference being, the US can never run out of money.  Treasury bonds are still considered one of the absolute safest investments possible, the USD is still the global reserve currency, and if it comes to it, we just print more.

If anything the government should be spending more.  Krugman (who has been proved right time after time) even says the way to prosperity is through government spending.  The more we spend, the faster the economy grows, the greater the GDP becomes, and the less a percentage of the GDP the debt becomes.  Don't be afraid of spending - spending is what drives the world.

Yeah, all that worked out for Greece.

Krugman wasn't right about Greece.  Or Detroit.


Greece instituted austerity measures, that hardly seems like Krugman's wisdom.  Plus, neither Detroit nor Greece has the resources, borrowing power, or ability to create currency like the US.
2013-07-24 01:29:59 AM
1 votes:
optikeye

Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research
Neil D tyson wants a word with you
Not that the facts will stop your derp.
2013-07-24 01:24:25 AM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: Satanic_Hamster: Right wing troll accounts:
Listen.  I know you guys are trolls and love "pissing off the libs" and arguing against anything "a lib" is in favor of.

But please, look at this from a matter of helping the conservative / Republican party.  Do you realize how batshiat crazy pissed off this type of proposal will make old people?  Old people, who are a fairly core and reliable Republican voting block?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and moderates:
Just let the Republicans run with this.  It won't make it past the Senate and it will give all the Democrats next election the ability to run on a platform of "Republicans want to stop the elderly from getting mail delivery at home and we're the only thing protecting it."

Old people like Medicare more than the post office.

Liberals:  keep pretending money grows on trees.  As Detroit found out, you can't borrow your way to success.

The big difference being, the US can never run out of money.  Treasury bonds are still considered one of the absolute safest investments possible, the USD is still the global reserve currency, and if it comes to it, we just print more.

If anything the government should be spending more.  Krugman (who has been proved right time after time) even says the way to prosperity is through government spending.  The more we spend, the faster the economy grows, the greater the GDP becomes, and the less a percentage of the GDP the debt becomes.  Don't be afraid of spending - spending is what drives the world.


Yeah, all that worked out for Greece.

Krugman wasn't right about Greece.  Or Detroit.
2013-07-24 01:21:36 AM
1 votes:

ReapTheChaos: I would have no problem with this as long as they completely abolish junk mail along with it. That way I could simply go to my box once a month and get the three pieces of actual mail I receive and be done with it.


That is where most of their money comes from.
And yes, they already tried making cheaper, more plentiful junk mail for extra revenue.
2013-07-24 01:15:32 AM
1 votes:

USP .45: TuteTibiImperes: I own a house, and one of the benefits of that is having mail delivered to my mailbox instead of having to deal with the cluster boxes that I was forced to accept as an apartment dweller.

So you want special treatment because you own a house, and you don't care how much the stamps cost, but then you attack Republicans for catering to the rich. Seems legit.


One of the definitions of middle class should be being able to own a house, that doesn't make you rich.  Also, willing to spend $1, $2, or $3 on a stamp for convenience doesn't make one rich either - we're not talking about a lot of money, and most people don't physically mail things very often anyway.  Even at $3 a stamp my total postage bill would cost less than filling my car with gas one time.
2013-07-24 01:11:34 AM
1 votes:

Lsherm: Satanic_Hamster: Right wing troll accounts:
Listen.  I know you guys are trolls and love "pissing off the libs" and arguing against anything "a lib" is in favor of.

But please, look at this from a matter of helping the conservative / Republican party.  Do you realize how batshiat crazy pissed off this type of proposal will make old people?  Old people, who are a fairly core and reliable Republican voting block?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and moderates:
Just let the Republicans run with this.  It won't make it past the Senate and it will give all the Democrats next election the ability to run on a platform of "Republicans want to stop the elderly from getting mail delivery at home and we're the only thing protecting it."

Old people like Medicare more than the post office.

Liberals:  keep pretending money grows on trees.  As Detroit found out, you can't borrow your way to success.


The big difference being, the US can never run out of money.  Treasury bonds are still considered one of the absolute safest investments possible, the USD is still the global reserve currency, and if it comes to it, we just print more.

If anything the government should be spending more.  Krugman (who has been proved right time after time) even says the way to prosperity is through government spending.  The more we spend, the faster the economy grows, the greater the GDP becomes, and the less a percentage of the GDP the debt becomes.  Don't be afraid of spending - spending is what drives the world.
2013-07-24 01:06:46 AM
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: tripleseven: You are aware that the USPS is funded by postage fees, and not tax, right?

Yes, 100% - they are on the verge of asking for a huge tax-payer funded bailout - a cash giveaway. And also, if you want to argue that Congress should give them more leeway in running their 'business' I'm all for it. Because at the end of the day it won't mater - not one dime of tax-payer money - government bureaucrats will destroy it no matter what..


The post office hasn't run a single year without taxpayer money in three decades, and never will again. If they were self supporting it wouldn't come down to this.
2013-07-24 01:05:56 AM
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Right wing troll accounts:
Listen.  I know you guys are trolls and love "pissing off the libs" and arguing against anything "a lib" is in favor of.

But please, look at this from a matter of helping the conservative / Republican party.  Do you realize how batshiat crazy pissed off this type of proposal will make old people?  Old people, who are a fairly core and reliable Republican voting block?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and moderates:
Just let the Republicans run with this.  It won't make it past the Senate and it will give all the Democrats next election the ability to run on a platform of "Republicans want to stop the elderly from getting mail delivery at home and we're the only thing protecting it."


Old people like Medicare more than the post office.

Liberals:  keep pretending money grows on trees.  As Detroit found out, you can't borrow your way to success.
2013-07-24 01:03:27 AM
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Right wing troll accounts:
Listen.  I know you guys are trolls and love "pissing off the libs" and arguing against anything "a lib" is in favor of.

But please, look at this from a matter of helping the conservative / Republican party.  Do you realize how batshiat crazy pissed off this type of proposal will make old people?  Old people, who are a fairly core and reliable Republican voting block?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and moderates:
Just let the Republicans run with this.  It won't make it past the Senate and it will give all the Democrats next election the ability to run on a platform of "Republicans want to stop the elderly from getting mail delivery at home and we're the only thing protecting it."


And what about the billions of dollars in debt the system generates every year? Are we just supposed to ignore major problems in this country because it inconveniences one tiny group of people?

Instead of seeing how political parties can manipulate this problem for their own needs, how about solving one of
America's problems for once.
2013-07-24 01:02:57 AM
1 votes:

Yogimus: AdolfOliverPanties: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

wait... which party has been in power for all of this?


Neither.
2013-07-24 01:02:04 AM
1 votes:
If there's one thing you can count on, it's the GOP finding new and creative ways to piss people off and further alienate themselves.

I am completely opposed to cluster delivery.  I own a house, and one of the benefits of that is having mail delivered to my mailbox instead of having to deal with the cluster boxes that I was forced to accept as an apartment dweller.

If the USPS is running in the red, raise the price of damn stamps already.  Make them $1 a piece, make them $2 a piece, raise the rates on bulk and commercial mailers (oh, careful now GOP, you might piss off your corporate overlords there, even though the net result would benefit the general public with less junk mail, but let's be frank, you don't give a damn about the bulk of society anyway do you, nah, it's all about those CEOs who give you those big checks and that sweet, sweet, mouthlove).

The only things I mail are the checks to my lawn guy and occasional documents to my mortgage-holder and home insurance company.  Make stamps $3 each and I still won't care that much, but try to make me have to go to the entrance of the neighborhood just to mail one of those things or get my daily mail, there will be blood.
2013-07-24 12:57:35 AM
1 votes:
Right wing troll accounts:
Listen.  I know you guys are trolls and love "pissing off the libs" and arguing against anything "a lib" is in favor of.

But please, look at this from a matter of helping the conservative / Republican party.  Do you realize how batshiat crazy pissed off this type of proposal will make old people?  Old people, who are a fairly core and reliable Republican voting block?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and moderates:
Just let the Republicans run with this.  It won't make it past the Senate and it will give all the Democrats next election the ability to run on a platform of "Republicans want to stop the elderly from getting mail delivery at home and we're the only thing protecting it."
2013-07-24 12:55:30 AM
1 votes:

Barfmaker: 2xhelix: Barfmaker: Do you really think that senior citizens stay holed up all winter never leaving their houses?

Many sadly do or only go out when they have someone to drive them somewhere.  Just ask anyone who volunteers with Meals On Wheels.

I suspect you're being purposely obtuse in missing my point however to play your game, if someone is game enough to bring a meal to these shut-ins, don't you think they'd pop across the street to check the mail once in a while?

Or wouldn't their son/daughter who visits once a week/two weeks do it?

Because if nobody will do that for them and they can't do it themselves, then would they even be living in their homes alone in the first place? Who clears their walkway?

We're speaking of senior citizens here, not cripples or invalids (regardless of age). My friends who are both 73 are leaving for another trip to Europe in another week. They golf regularly when they're not travelling. They are, in my experience, normal for their age.

Maybe elderly Canadians are much different from the elderly in your country but, while we have invalids here of every age, being a senior citizen doesn't seem to be a debilitating condition on its own.

We also have Meals On Wheels and in many cases centralized mailboxes and our society hasn't crumbled. Noticeably.


It sounds like you have very limited experience with the elderly. Some labour under dementia and cannot leave their home well even though they are able bodied. One poor man I saw helped into assisted living ate only beans in his house for 6 months. He was all alone after his wife of 72 years died. He outlived all of his family and friends.
2013-07-24 12:48:04 AM
1 votes:

vossiewulf: Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.


I lean pretty left but this is a pretty weak ass argument. We have these everywhere where I live, it is a pretty good idea to cut costs.
2013-07-24 12:46:03 AM
1 votes:

prjindigo: We called them "post offices" and we had them everywhere but for some reason they were considered too expensive.
3/4 of the mailing addresses in the US have boxes paid for by the resident at the location.  Does congress even have a clue how much cluster boxes cost to replace?


Pocket change. Cluster boxes are cheap, delivery is expensive. A mail carrier with vehicle can spend an entire day delivering to one development.
2013-07-24 12:43:33 AM
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: If the democrats want publicly subsidized buggy-whips / snail mail - let them pay for it. Just make them pay for it with extra tax - then you'll see how much they care about these issues.


You are aware that the USPS is funded by postage fees, and not tax, right?

I mean, you are aware of that, right?  You're not just spouting uninformed lies and bullshiat on the internets... right?
2013-07-24 12:43:13 AM
1 votes:
I love how Democrats always stand up for the post office, but can't come up with any solution to make it function without doubling prices and junk mail content every two years.

I used to advertize through the post office, and it is an expensive, miserable, unprofessional system every time. Until the post office is run like a business, and not a government bureaucracy, I'm not wasting another dollar on them.
2013-07-24 12:43:01 AM
1 votes:
Stupid people to the Left, please.
People who can properly handle mathematics to the Right.
Okay now, what's Pension/Inflating US Dollar x Federal Hiring Practices?

If you came up with any answer other than Unsustainable, here's your sign.
2013-07-24 12:39:21 AM
1 votes:
If the democrats want publicly subsidized buggy-whips / snail mail - let them pay for it. Just make them pay for it with extra tax - then you'll see how much they care about these issues.
2013-07-24 12:38:38 AM
1 votes:

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.

If I had to walk down the street for my mail I would no longer get mail. Currently, for me, the postal service is primarily an advertising service that offers a few non-advertising services as well. The overwhelming majority of what I receive in the mail is simply ads. So there's just no reason for me to do anything more out of the way then the end of my driveway.


Keep in mind, the republicans would have you believe the USPS is taxpayer funded as well.
2013-07-24 12:34:17 AM
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: jpo2269: If the choice is between centralized mailboxes in a subdivision vs. having to get a post office box, I think the centralized mail box would be just fine.  The postal service has to come up with some serious solutions in order to survive; this proposal doesn't seem to be draconian at all....

The choice isn't between that though. The choice is between paying current post office worker salaries and pensions as they come in, and paying up front for nearly eight decades worth of employee costs up front every time a new person is hired. Each time you lick a stamp you're paying for the health care costs of a current postal service employee to be able to get a checkup fifty years from now. If it sounds insane, it's because Republicans desperately want to destroy the USPS for whatever reason, and it is a law that they be able to cover with today's revenues the eventuality of every employee they currently employ, and any others they hire in the future.

The postal service would be fine had Congress not attached a shackle to its balls and told it to make do.


No, not true, that's a lie.  A lie and a liberal talking point.  Even without the pension payment, which the USPS hasn't made since August of last year, they are still losing money.  They are still losing money.  They cannot cover their obligations.

So get off the liar train and do some research.

Of course, if liberals like you were left alone to handle finances, then we'd end up with Detroit.
2013-07-24 12:34:12 AM
1 votes:
"We all need to make sacrifices." -Obama

"Clustered mailboxes."

:lib outrage:
2013-07-24 12:32:02 AM
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: Aarontology: I AM A VENGEFUL AND CONFUSING GOD.

Jesus farking christ... elect a man king and he get's all "I am GOD!" in a matter of hours.

Also... You should try the country life before you get all judgy. It's pretty awesome. This used to be my backyard:
[farm4.staticflickr.com image 320x240]


Glad your receiving free welfare farm subsidies I think reading you over a while Mojo would kick you in the face
2013-07-24 12:30:19 AM
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: Also... You should try the country life before you get all judgy. It's pretty awesome.


If you have access to water of which you cannot see land on the other side, it's all good.

If you live in "country" that is a land-locked wasteland, where you can watch your dog run away - for three days - that's completely different.

/misses water
2013-07-24 12:30:15 AM
1 votes:

TwowheelinTim: For what it's worth, the town I live in was founded in 1903 and they decided then not to have home delivery. If people don't like it, they can live somewhere else.


I have relatives who live in a really small town where they have to go over to the town post office to get their mail.
2013-07-24 12:29:50 AM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The best part of them is that if you pry the back of one open, you get to steal 10 or 12 peoples mail all at the same time!

/happens frequently in rural areas
//like the one I live in


Exactly! It was hard enough feeding my family on unemployment checks 5 years ago.. It was even harder when the mail thief would make his monthly rounds and steal my UI checks from the community box.

It was even better when Maria Lopez used my stolen SSN to file me as a dependent. The IRS did not appreciate me filing myself as head of household that same year too.

Eventually our HOA charged us all an extra $500 for 2 months to build a big metal cage around the community mail boxes. They were only robbed a couple times more after that.. LOL.
2013-07-24 12:29:43 AM
1 votes:

albatros183: NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.

Rush warned us years ago.


Conform or be cast out.
2013-07-24 12:26:07 AM
1 votes:
I have an idea that would save the USPS money: how about, when someone has a letter for me, I just go directly to them and pick it up? If everyone did this, we wouldn't need the USPS at all. It's the only bootstrappy approach.
2013-07-24 12:20:41 AM
1 votes:

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


So nothing about the obvious positive environmental impact of using grouped mailboxes?

So full of hate...
2013-07-24 12:18:39 AM
1 votes:
Bashar,

Of course your take on things isn't really based in reality.  The postal service as a quasi-independent agency of the government is supposed to operate off of its revenues.  Prior to a few years ago, the postal service had never laid off any employees.  The requirement for the postal service fully fund its pensions is neither draconian, nor an act of trying to kill the postal service, it is one endangered example of common sense coming out of DC.

Granted, if the entire federal government had to adhere to the same rules, the size and scope of govt. would be much smaller..  I do not harbor ill feelings towards govt workers, many/most perform a vital service with little to no individual recognition... but if an "independent agency" is truly independent, would they need a govt. bailout?
2013-07-24 12:17:01 AM
1 votes:
Apparently I'm not the only one who realizes this kind of delivery has been around for decades.  Even in the sticks.  Welcome to the 70s, subby.
2013-07-24 12:16:24 AM
1 votes:

buzzcut73: Like everybody else said, any newer subdivision already has these, and it isn't even a cluster for the whole subdivision, usually there is a 16 box cluster on every block  (most I see are in the middle of the block somewhere) so nobody has to go all that far.
I live in an older neighborhood now, with delivery to the door, but I'm moving to a newer subdivision in 3 weeks, the cluster box is 3 houses down from mine. It isn't going to be that much harder to get my mail.

I can see this saving some cash, and some people are going to hate it because they hate change. Hell, there may even be some sort of compromise where if a person can prove they are disabled the mail carrier will still bring it to the door. It looks like there is already a "Mail Delivery to the Physically Handicapped Act" that does just that--fill out a form, doctor signs it, postmaster approves it, and you still get mail delivered to the door.

/I really don't care
//Have a PO Box anyway--it is more secure
///Saturdays can be done away with too


Any subdivision, hoa or not, that I've lived in for the last twenty years has had these. Large lock boxes for packages and individual boxes for mail. They are in public rights of way.

What's the issue here?
2013-07-24 12:15:05 AM
1 votes:

vossiewulf: Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.


Not to mention all those losers who are too lazy not to get old.
2013-07-24 12:11:20 AM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox NSA and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.


Whatever works for you.
2013-07-24 12:06:27 AM
1 votes:

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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I grew up in a place like this.  They don't have mail delivery anyhow.  You have to drive a few miles to go to the post office.  PO box only.  If anything, a cluster box would be an improvement.
2013-07-24 12:05:24 AM
1 votes:
Fustercluck?
www.theblindcard.com
2013-07-24 12:03:45 AM
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)


wait... which party has been in power for all of this?
2013-07-24 12:02:04 AM
1 votes:

CraicBaby: If he's an alt, it's not mine. I don't have any alts. I have had people think I was him and vice versa.


That sounds like something an alt would say.
2013-07-24 12:00:34 AM
1 votes:
pft, we've had a PO box, in the 2 towns we've lived in, over the last 12 years. Home mail delivery? What's that?

/It's not a big deal, really.
2013-07-23 11:59:38 PM
1 votes:

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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If only people there had some sort of motorized vehicle with which they might run errands on a regular basis and could then include going to the mailbox in that routine.  Alas, such a tragedy that will never come to pass.
2013-07-23 11:58:41 PM
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: Shostie: Notabunny: How?

My initial thought is that it could save a sh*tload in fuel cost.

But I'm not a Republican, so you probably don't care what I think.

And man-hours...

/And it will create jobs.
//Somebody needs to build and install all of those gang bang boxes.


It might create a lot of temporary jobs (to get all those damn things initially manufactured), but once the saturation point is hit (which is suspect would either be incredibly quickly or never), then there'll be a purge of the excess. You also have to take into account that once 20 large neighborhoods get this done to them (so 20 clusters) you could cut 15 of the 20 USPS employees originally needed to deliver mail, and just have each worker take 5 divisions.

It's not a simple "jobs get" solution.
2013-07-23 11:56:24 PM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


[www.publicdomainpictures.net image 615x368]

What, not everyone lives in NYC or nearby?


All the smart people live in Florida and Texas.
2013-07-23 11:50:25 PM
1 votes:

miss jinxed: I had these growing up outside of Denver.  What's the big deal?


For neighborhoods that weren't built with one, I would guess you get some NIMBYs, saying something that could be decoded as "i don't want scary black kids with skittles in front of my house"
2013-07-23 11:19:58 PM
1 votes:

2xhelix: Barfmaker: Do you really think that senior citizens stay holed up all winter never leaving their houses?

Many sadly do or only go out when they have someone to drive them somewhere.  Just ask anyone who volunteers with Meals On Wheels.


I suspect you're being purposely obtuse in missing my point however to play your game, if someone is game enough to bring a meal to these shut-ins, don't you think they'd pop across the street to check the mail once in a while?

Or wouldn't their son/daughter who visits once a week/two weeks do it?

Because if nobody will do that for them and they can't do it themselves, then would they even be living in their homes alone in the first place? Who clears their walkway?

We're speaking of senior citizens here, not cripples or invalids (regardless of age). My friends who are both 73 are leaving for another trip to Europe in another week. They golf regularly when they're not travelling. They are, in my experience, normal for their age.

Maybe elderly Canadians are much different from the elderly in your country but, while we have invalids here of every age, being a senior citizen doesn't seem to be a debilitating condition on its own.

We also have Meals On Wheels and in many cases centralized mailboxes and our society hasn't crumbled. Noticeably.
2013-07-23 10:48:11 PM
1 votes:

log_jammin: we've gone to the moon, sent probes to the very edge of the solar system, and brought down the soviet union.

But now mail delivery is too hard to do.


Too expensive for the result.  Don't mistake difficulty with efficiency.
2013-07-23 10:20:12 PM
1 votes:

TommyymmoT: I live on the corner.
Does this mean I'm going to have 20 mailboxes on my front lawn?


Yes. But that just means you can become a mail tyrant by imposing a mail toll.
2013-07-23 10:19:09 PM
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: Shostie: Notabunny: How?

My initial thought is that it could save a sh*tload in fuel cost.

But I'm not a Republican, so you probably don't care what I think.

And man-hours...

/And it will create jobs.
//Somebody needs to build and install all of those gang bang boxes.


$4.5 Billion in fuel? My guess is $4.5 Billion per year in layoffs.
2013-07-23 10:03:33 PM
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: Also... You should try the country life before you get all judgy. It's pretty awesome. This used to be my backyard:


Heh. When I was a little kid, I lived in the mountains of New Mexico. Beats the hell out of the suburbs any day.
2013-07-23 10:03:30 PM
1 votes:

Notabunny: How?


My initial thought is that it could save a sh*tload in fuel cost.

But I'm not a Republican, so you probably don't care what I think.
2013-07-23 10:02:37 PM
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Pray 4 Mojo: Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.

What about non-hillbilles in the sticks?

And... who that fark gets mail they need to see anymore? The internet man... it's changin' the world.

Ain't no broadband in these sticks yet

/not enough population density to make it ridiculously profitable
//dial up is almost worse than no intertubes at all

Really? You're like 30 minutes from metro Sacramento! That's rather surprising.

When I lived in Bumfark, Idaho... we had dish internet. Not satellite... a dish that was pointed at the big antenna thing on seed elevator about 10 miles away. That was kinda interesting.

/That's right... I know where you live. Muahahahaha!!!


It's more like an hour to Downtown, but yeah... no broadband up here behind the lake yet. We can get satellite (real outer space kind), assuming you have a sight line: I got too many trees. It's also expensive as hell.

/on the bright side, I was assured when I moved here that DSL was "Just months away!"
//that was by PacBell
2013-07-23 10:01:03 PM
1 votes:

SnakeLee: AdolfOliverPanties: Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

Start going to the websites that the people who say that stuff go to.  It usually involves the Illuminati and rounding up gun owners into concentration camps.  They just won't say it to you in an argument because they know how crazy it sounds to people who don't already believe in their conspiracy theories.

For instance, what the NSA is doing is bad, but it doesn't mean that a.) we live in a police state,* b.) Obama is engaged in a coup of sorts, c.) the anti-christ has risen, d.) the first step in logging all gun owners is complete, e.) someone is watching your every move, etc. etc. etc.  I feel like everyone actually wants to live in some fantasy dystopia just so they could biatch more.  Meanwhile, midterm election voter turnout is like 30%.

/*A real police state is so much worse than what we live in today.  This is tasteless hyperbole.  I will accept that if the powers that the government is getting were further expanded and someone unscrupulous person got the presidency we could head that way, but as it stands now we do not live in one.  It's not even an argument.  Stop it with the hyperbole and have a rational conversation.


The tipping point at which it becomes a police state is where the average citizen is afraid of the police.
2013-07-23 10:00:41 PM
1 votes:

Aarontology: I AM A VENGEFUL AND CONFUSING GOD.


Jesus farking christ... elect a man king and he get's all "I am GOD!" in a matter of hours.

Also... You should try the country life before you get all judgy. It's pretty awesome. This used to be my backyard:
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2013-07-23 09:53:39 PM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Pray 4 Mojo: Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.

What about non-hillbilles in the sticks?

And... who that fark gets mail they need to see anymore? The internet man... it's changin' the world.

Ain't no broadband in these sticks yet

/not enough population density to make it ridiculously profitable
//dial up is almost worse than no intertubes at all


Really? You're like 30 minutes from metro Sacramento! That's rather surprising.

When I lived in Bumfark, Idaho... we had dish internet. Not satellite... a dish that was pointed at the big antenna thing on seed elevator about 10 miles away. That was kinda interesting.

/That's right... I know where you live. Muahahahaha!!!
2013-07-23 09:48:54 PM
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.

What about non-hillbilles in the sticks?

And... who that fark gets mail they need to see anymore? The internet man... it's changin' the world.


The non-hillbillies get AOL.

I AM A VENGEFUL AND CONFUSING GOD.
2013-07-23 09:41:56 PM
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Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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this. everywhere in canada...as far as i know. you lazy fark americans. my old man drives 400 feet to get his mail. talk about lazy.
2013-07-23 09:20:28 PM
1 votes:

SnakeLee: AdolfOliverPanties: Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

Start going to the websites that the people who say that stuff go to.  It usually involves the Illuminati and rounding up gun owners into concentration camps.  They just won't say it to you in an argument because they know how crazy it sounds to people who don't already believe in their conspiracy theories.


But Obama IS trying to tear this country apart by not acting like he's "supposed to". (Of course, they won't say that because they'll sound racist as hell to everyone else.)

CraicBaby: themindiswatching: My condo complex has bigger mailboxes just for packages. The mailman leaves the key for one in your mailbox if you get a package that doesn't fit.

Lucky. At my old apartment complex, if you got a package, they'd just lean it up against the wall under the mailboxes. I never trusted anyone not to steal my shiat, so I always had packages shipped to my in-laws' house.


That sucks. The USPS does seem to have a habit around here for some reason of making me go to the post office to pick up any packages from overseas.
2013-07-23 09:13:40 PM
1 votes:

themindiswatching: My condo complex has bigger mailboxes just for packages. The mailman leaves the key for one in your mailbox if you get a package that doesn't fit.


Lucky. At my old apartment complex, if you got a package, they'd just lean it up against the wall under the mailboxes. I never trusted anyone not to steal my shiat, so I always had packages shipped to my in-laws' house.
2013-07-23 09:07:16 PM
1 votes:
I had these growing up outside of Denver.  What's the big deal?
2013-07-23 08:13:15 PM
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vossiewulf: Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.


and fark anybody that believes things should ever remain as they are or were
 
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