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(Fox 23 Tulsa)   House Republicans decide that people don't need mail delivered to their homes anymore, propose new neighborhood "cluster boxes." If only there was a word to insert between "cluster" and "boxes" that would describe the probable results   (fox23.com) divider line 503
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2013-07-24 01:02:04 PM  
late to post but, my .02

our mail carrier once stopped a burglar as he was entering a side window - and chased him

another mail carrier I know was responsible in spotting a pile up of mail that led to saving the life of an elderly woman who had fallen in the tub and been there for three days, alone

e-mail and e-pay are great but snail mail (and it's carriers) will always have my support -
 
2013-07-24 01:14:25 PM  

EngineerAU: TV's Vinnie: I have a suggestion on how the USPS can save some money.

STOP WASTING IT ON SPONSORING DOPERS TO GO ON PRANCY BIKE RIDES IN FRANCE AND ON RETARDED CARTOON CHARACTER STAMPS!

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Stamps cost a fraction of a penny to print but cost $0.46 to buy for a first class letter. Having different designs cause collectors to buy them at full value but never use them for postage. This is a huge profit for the post office. Whatever they pay for licensing The Simpsons is a small fraction of the money they make off collectors.


And yet, the Simpsons stamps are one of the BIGGEST boondoggles that the USPS has made, having warehouses full of these (which cost them even more money) that cannot be sold anymore because they're no longer at First Class postage value.

The Simpsons stamps are the "Battlefield Earth" of Philately.
 
2013-07-24 01:45:57 PM  

midigod: serial_crusher: Oh, you silly event photographers.  You're going to charge me $30 for the digital version of that race photo, then complain about how much it would cost to ship a physical copy?

I think you'll be the one complaining, not me.  I'll be trying to defend paying over 12 bucks to mail it to you, and you'll be the one who doesn't buy it because of that.  So yes, it will absolutely affect every small business in the country that uses USPS.  Not everyone wants a digital copy.  In fact, for this last event, I've sold exactly one download (which is very reasonably priced), and a little over a hundred physical copies.

People can crow all they want about how everything "should" be digital, or "should" be sent electronically, but the fact is, physical mail and physical copies will be with us for at least another 20 years, if not more.


I'm curious, what does "reasonably priced" mean in this context?  I think a lot of photographers think of a high resolution digital photo being worth a lot of money, and consider the price they charge reasonable (after all, I could print it myself a million times over, and you'd rather sell me a million hard copies).

But, all I ever want is a low-res version I can post on Facebook.  If you could make an easy single-click process where I just pay a buck or two to post something directly to facebook, you'd probably see more volume.  Right now I just steal the sample image that has the photographer's watermark all over it, but I'd gladly pay a few bucks to get that watermark off.  I guess maybe some people who would otherwise buy the expensive one might decide the cheapo was good enough, in that case?

/ sorry, off topic, but something I've always wanted to see a photographer do.
 
2013-07-24 01:56:08 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: manimal2878: FLMountainMan: A couple of postal workers get robbed/killed each month for the keys to those boxes.

THis sounds like an exaggeration.

Seems like a low risk crime that will be an even bigger lure.

Guess we will need a shiatton of cameras and drones to patrol them.

Good luck with "registered" mail.


The idea that postal workers are killed often for keys to these boxes is just retarded.  Why would you kill the postal worker for the key to the box.  If you are going to kill him, just take his truck before he puts all the stuff in the boxes.
 
2013-07-24 02:07:30 PM  

Dog Welder: ckevinc: Dwindle: I love how Democrats always stand up for the post office, but can't come up with any solution to make it function without doubling prices and junk mail content every two years.

They don't. They stand up for their Unions (and votes).

Maybe if the GOP hadn't passed laws that force the USPS to fund their pension program for the next 75 years, something that no private business practice or any other government agency has to do, the USPS wouldn't be a financial mess.  (Okay, it probably would be a financial mess, but it would only be a fraction of the problem it currently is.)

But do carry on about unions.  It's adorable.


Yep, you are 100% correct. George Bush signed that deal. Still doesn't change the fact the Democrats stand up for the Unions under the guise of supporting the USPS.
And what point were you shooting for?... I forget.
One word for you.  Detroit.
But you go on sticking up for your Union.   It's so attractive.
 
2013-07-24 02:15:29 PM  

serial_crusher: I'm curious, what does "reasonably priced" mean in this context?  I think a lot of photographers think of a high resolution digital photo being worth a lot of money, and consider the price they charge reasonable (after all, I could print it myself a million times over, and you'd rather sell me a million hard copies).

But, all I ever want is a low-res version I can post on Facebook.  If you could make an easy single-click process where I just pay a buck or two to post something directly to facebook, you'd probably see more volume.


I can't answer this for all photographers, but I can give you my perspective.  For a full-res download, how much it's worth depends on the use.  If I sell you a d/l for a buck, then the next guy, who has a car with his logo on it that he wants to use in an ad, also gets a full-res image for a dollar.  That simply is never going to happen.  If you want something you can post to FB and you're only willing to pay a buck or two, then take one yourself.  No matter how many participants there are, I can never even break even if I'm selling d/ls for a buck or two, regardless of resolution.

The d/l was thirty bucks, and the one person who bought it, I know for a fact is going to use it in an ad, because he told me he was.  The pics we're talking about are individual pics of their cars at a specific spot that most people wouldn't be able to photograph, so that's where my value came in.  Had I shot his car in a solo session, with the intent of using it in a print ad in a newspaper, it would have cost him over $300, and he still wouldn't have gotten the original file.  So in his case, it wasextremely reasonable.  In your case, it wouldn't have been.  But for a multi-person event, it's difficult to accommodate everyone's differeing situation, so I think I had a good compromise price for print and for d/l.

No offense intended, but if you expect me to do location scouting, two days of travel with the group, website maintenance, mileage, plus my regular business overhead, and pay taxes, for two of your dollars, then you've got another thing coming.   If they want the shot I took, they will be paying for it, or they will not get it, just like any other professional.  You want to spend a hundred bucks painting your house, you need to do it yourself.

BTW, I saw a couple dozen people taking shots of the group pic while I was doing the same thing.  I didn't try to stop them, in fact I encouraged them.  But most ended up buying my shot, because it was better, and they recognized that, and were willing to pay for the quality.  The ones who couldn't tell the difference wouldn't make good customers for me anyway.

/end threadjack
 
2013-07-24 02:19:36 PM  

grimlock1972: ThrobblefootSpectre: grimlock1972: Also Clusterboxes are fail when it comes to getting a package in the mail.

No they aren't.  There are a few large boxes in the cluster for packages.  The large size boxes have a communal key.  When you get a package, the carries places that key (to the large box) in your individual box, so only you can open it.  I realize you don't get this because you have somehow never seen it.  But it works just fine.  I've used cluster boxes for decades, and I have no problem receiving large packages in the mail.

I have used them , did so for years until recently, the package box or boxes work fine until ther eis a package too big to fit in to it or more packages then boxes.  mind i realize most larger packages come via fed ex or UPS these days but i have gotten some sizeable one in the mail,


So I take it that your non-cluster mailbox is large enough for said extra large packages? Otherwise I'm not seeing the difference.
 
2013-07-24 02:21:47 PM  

Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.


Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.
 
2013-07-24 02:30:19 PM  

FLMountainMan: NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.

Yep.  And they make theft very convenient.  A couple of postal workers get robbed/killed each month for the keys to those boxes.


Um, if someone is willing to kill a postal carrier, they can just take all the mail in that truck for the entire route area. Clustered boxes don't make this any more likely or easier.

Okay people, When attempting to manufacture wildly corner case complaints about this, at least try to make sure it makes some shred of sense.
 
2013-07-24 02:30:40 PM  

Crapinoleum: Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.

Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.


Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.
 
2013-07-24 02:33:54 PM  

OnlyM3: optikeye

Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research Neil D tyson wants a word with you
Not that the facts will stop your derp.


Except, of course, he's not entirely accurate (and I'm being nice, 'cos I like the guy):

www.livescience.com
Source:LiveScience
 
2013-07-24 02:36:21 PM  

Lsherm: Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.


Absolutely false.  It's PER YEAR.
 
2013-07-24 02:47:02 PM  

midigod: Lsherm: Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.

Absolutely false.  It's PER YEAR.


Thanks for the real information.  If it was per stop, then I could say with complete confidence: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
 
2013-07-24 02:47:47 PM  

Lsherm: Crapinoleum: Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.

Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.

Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.


You really understood that to mean every time a postman stops, and not "stop" as in "bus stop"?
 
2013-07-24 02:49:38 PM  

Lsherm: Crapinoleum: Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.

Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.

Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.


Really? So five stops per week, 52 weeks per year, means my house costs 91,780 dollars per year? Wow. That means the 34 thousand houses in my town are costing the USPS more than 3 billion dollars per year? Holy crap. 3 billion dollars just to deliver the mail to a single town in suburban new jersey. no wonder they're having trouble making ends meet.

Or maybe you're just full of shiat
 
2013-07-24 02:49:50 PM  

serial_crusher: I'm curious, what does "reasonably priced" mean in this context?  I think a lot of photographers think of a high resolution digital photo being worth a lot of money, and consider the price they charge reasonable (after all, I could print it myself a million times over, and you'd rather sell me a million hard copies).

But, all I ever want is a low-res version I can post on Facebook.  If you could make an easy single-click process where I just pay a buck or two to post something directly to facebook, you'd probably see more volume.  Right now I just steal the sample image that has the photographer's watermark all over it, but I'd gladly pay a few bucks to get that watermark off.  I guess maybe some people who would otherwise buy the expensive one might decide the cheapo was good enough, in that case?

/ sorry, off topic, but something I've always wanted to see a photographer do.


I'm pretty new to the gig, honestly, but my partner and I usually charge by the shoot.  We charge based on distance, if we have to scout the location or not, organizing whatever...  Then, after we process what we have, we put it on the disk, flash drive, or whatever they want it on.  We just have them sign a contract before the shoot that says they have all rights to the pictures, to post where they want, edit as they please or print as they want, as long as they or anyone else doesn't try to claim it as their own work.  If they want prints made, we will arrange that for them very close to cost, just a little extra to cover the hassle to us.  In exchange, we need to ask permission to use the photos in any advertising or our website.

In this day and age, it just seems kind of pointless to try and charge based on the picture.  To paraphrase the internet, once it's out there it's like getting the pee out of the pool.  Rather than chasing down reposts of copyrighted pictures and going broke sending out cease and desist notices, I just get my money up front and don't worry about it.

Of course, the "business" is just big enough that we needed a license and had a lawyer draw up the standard fill-in-the-blank contract form.  We just really work off word of mouth as advertising, and do it as what you'd consider an on the side business for special events like weddings or the occasional birthday/Christmas shoot.  For people making their primary living off photography, I suppose they would want to get every last dime they believed to be owed.  But again, I'd rather not be chasing down every last picture out there and just adapt to the new reality.
 
2013-07-24 03:09:20 PM  

manimal2878: StoPPeRmobile: manimal2878: FLMountainMan: A couple of postal workers get robbed/killed each month for the keys to those boxes.

THis sounds like an exaggeration.

Seems like a low risk crime that will be an even bigger lure.

Guess we will need a shiatton of cameras and drones to patrol them.

Good luck with "registered" mail.

The idea that postal workers are killed often for keys to these boxes is just retarded.  Why would you kill the postal worker for the key to the box.  If you are going to kill him, just take his truck before he puts all the stuff in the boxes.


 You know what else is retarded?  Not googling before calling someone a retard.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/02/21/postal-worker-robbed-in-north-m ia mi-dade/

FTFA:
A number of South Florida postal workers have been attacked by thieves who want their mailbox master keys, often to get access to mail so they can get data for identity theft. In the past, thieves wanted access to mail so they could steal checks, but as fewer people use checks, identity theft has become the main reason mail is stolen.
 And in Houston:
http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Police-release-sketch-of-suspect-who- as saulted-robbed-postal-worker-213013841.html

And in LA:

http://northhollywood.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/postal-work er -reportedly-robbed-at-gunpoint-for-mail-d75cfaa4e9
 
2013-07-24 03:28:47 PM  

manimal2878: The idea that postal workers are killed often for keys to these boxes is just retarded.


Indeed it is.

 

FLMountainMan:

[link 1]  Postal worker not killed
[link 2]  Postal worker not killed
[link 3]  Postal worker not killed


So, to refute the claim that "the idea that postal workers are killed often is retarded," you post a bunch of links to stories about postal workers NOT getting killed?

FLMountainMan: You know what else is retarded?


I think we all have a pretty good idea at this point
 
2013-07-24 03:41:54 PM  

tbeatty: AdolfOliverPanties: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

Ummm, because poor people are his base?  And he is looking to increase it.


This. Poor people breed faster,vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Same reason he wants 11,000,000 new citizens via amnesty. Democrats will be in power forever, country will fold since nobody wants to work.

Obama is like Edward the Longshanks. "If we can't get them out, we'll breed them out".
 
2013-07-24 03:42:11 PM  
I guess I have a "cluster mailbox," since I live in an apartment. It's a bit of a walk, but I need the exercise, so - meh.

What's the big deal? i mean, if you're that worried about mail being stolen, have stuff sent to your office. or a PO box.
 
2013-07-24 04:01:25 PM  

TwowheelinTim: Whaaaaa. The town in which I live doesn't have home delivery, or any other kind of boxes outside of the Post Office. Every resident is issued a P.O. box free of charge. I kinda like it for many reasons.

No smashed boxes from bozos who think they're cool is high on the list.


What the...? Mayberry's real?!
 
2013-07-24 04:10:05 PM  

GoldSpider: When "cluster mailboxes = third world hardship" you know these people have lost any shred of perspective.


This is what scares me so much. History shows this is one of the symptoms of an empire in freefall: folks of a position customary of a serious bearing taking absurd topics seriously.

/Srsly.
 
2013-07-24 04:12:42 PM  

Lagaidh: GoldSpider: When "cluster mailboxes = third world hardship" you know these people have lost any shred of perspective.

This is what scares me so much. History shows this is one of the symptoms of an empire in freefall: folks of a position customary of a serious bearing taking absurd topics seriously.

/Srsly.


Comparing it to third world hardships is ridiculous.  However, there's nothing wrong with being pissed off and fighting back against certain conveniences suddenly being taken away.
 
2013-07-24 04:13:47 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: manimal2878: The idea that postal workers are killed often for keys to these boxes is just retarded.

Indeed it is.

 FLMountainMan:

[link 1]  Postal worker not killed
[link 2]  Postal worker not killed
[link 3]  Postal worker not killed

So, to refute the claim that "the idea that postal workers are killed often is retarded," you post a bunch of links to stories about postal workers NOT getting killed?

FLMountainMan: You know what else is retarded?

I think we all have a pretty good idea at this point


Your critical thinking?
 
2013-07-24 04:23:30 PM  
Reclassify going to the mailbox as "physical therapy" for the old people, and boom! Two problems solved.

Here to help.
 
2013-07-24 04:28:46 PM  

midigod: serial_crusher: I'm curious, what does "reasonably priced" mean in this context?  I think a lot of photographers think of a high resolution digital photo being worth a lot of money, and consider the price they charge reasonable (after all, I could print it myself a million times over, and you'd rather sell me a million hard copies).

But, all I ever want is a low-res version I can post on Facebook.  If you could make an easy single-click process where I just pay a buck or two to post something directly to facebook, you'd probably see more volume.

I can't answer this for all photographers, but I can give you my perspective.  For a full-res download, how much it's worth depends on the use.  If I sell you a d/l for a buck, then the next guy, who has a car with his logo on it that he wants to use in an ad, also gets a full-res image for a dollar.  That simply is never going to happen.  If you want something you can post to FB and you're only willing to pay a buck or two, then take one yourself.  No matter how many participants there are, I can never even break even if I'm selling d/ls for a buck or two, regardless of resolution.

The d/l was thirty bucks, and the one person who bought it, I know for a fact is going to use it in an ad, because he told me he was.  The pics we're talking about are individual pics of their cars at a specific spot that most people wouldn't be able to photograph, so that's where my value came in.  Had I shot his car in a solo session, with the intent of using it in a print ad in a newspaper, it would have cost him over $300, and he still wouldn't have gotten the original file.  So in his case, it wasextremely reasonable.  In your case, it wouldn't have been.  But for a multi-person event, it's difficult to accommodate everyone's differeing situation, so I think I had a good compromise price for print and for d/l.

No offense intended, but if you expect me to do location scouting, two days of travel with the group, website maintenance, mileag ...


Yeah, $30 seems pretty low for your use case.  I'd figure if somebody was using your photo in an ad (and didn't want the ad to look like ass) they'd spring for the $30 hi-res version.  But I guess if the ad's just going in a printed newspaper or something the $2 low-res facebook one might be good enough.  Probably not worth it to try and enforce a license that would prevent them from using the cheap one for commercial purposes, I guess?

My use case is running races.  I'm there to run and the photo's just a nice to have if it comes out well.  Not really feasible for me to have a friend find good spots in the middle of nowhere to stand around and wait for me.  But also not really worth $30 for the one photo that the photographer comes up with.  I figure with thousands of runners, a significant portion might spend $2 when they otherwise would have just not paid, and it might add up.
 
2013-07-24 04:32:45 PM  

Lagaidh: This is what scares me so much. History shows this is one of the symptoms of an empire in freefall: folks of a position customary of a serious bearing taking absurd topics seriously.


Ha!  Ha!

So a government can't cope with the onerous economic burden of delivering mail to houses, a fundamental infrastructural component of civilizations like garbage collection and running water.  And is this a symptom of an "empire in freefall?"  No, the symptom of a failing empire is people having the nerve to complain about it.
 
2013-07-24 05:06:58 PM  

Aristocles: heavymetal: tbeatty: heavymetal:
Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.

I always hear that but UPS and FedEx also doesn't do house to house delivery Monday through Saturday.  So until they have that service and expense added to their bottom line, it is an apples to oranges type comparison.

UPS does have Saturday delivery.

/loaded boxes at UPS from 2am to 9am for three years



Yes but it is not residential house to house daily delivery and pick up like the post office does. So until UPS or FedEx  drivers go by every residential mailbox just in case the flag is up and a pick up is needed, whether it is needed or not as a service; the comparison of them to UPS and FedEx is an apples to oranges comparison.FedEx and UPS are package delivery services; they do not provide daily (Monday through Saturday) residential mail service like the USPS does and never has.   You have to call FedEx or UPS to come to your home to get a package for you, the USPS comes by daily.
 
2013-07-24 05:19:43 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Lsherm: Crapinoleum: Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.

Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.

Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.

Really? So five stops per week, 52 weeks per year, means my house costs 91,780 dollars per year? Wow. That means the 34 thousand houses in my town are costing the USPS more than 3 billion dollars per year? Holy crap. 3 billion dollars just to deliver the mail to a single town in suburban new jersey. no wonder they're having trouble making ends meet.


Sorting machines and delivery trucks don't come cheap.  There are overhead costs that need to be covered!!
 
2013-07-24 05:47:43 PM  

limeyfellow: Clemkadidlefark: Stupid people to the Left, please.
People who can properly handle mathematics to the Right.
Okay now, what's Pension/Inflating US Dollar x Federal Hiring Practices?

If you came up with any answer other than Unsustainable, here's your sign.

You forgot the variable for congressional rules for assigning 50 years of pension money immediately into an untouchable, non interest bearing fund for every employee the post office hires as a mean for bankrupting the post office. Then again the GOP couldn't even successfully wipe out the post office yet.

Ben Franklin would biatchslap them into oblivion. It is supposed to be a service of national interest, not a for profit business.


Booyah
 
2013-07-24 06:07:03 PM  

D135: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Lsherm: Crapinoleum: Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.

Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.

Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.

Really? So five stops per week, 52 weeks per year, means my house costs 91,780 dollars per year? Wow. That means the 34 thousand houses in my town are costing the USPS more than 3 billion dollars per year? Holy crap. 3 billion dollars just to deliver the mail to a single town in suburban new jersey. no wonder they're having trouble making ends meet.

Sorting machines and delivery trucks don't come cheap.  There are overhead costs that need to be covered!!


well, this article has it as per-year, which makes a little more sense, but I can't find anybody who actually showed their work.
 
2013-07-24 06:11:29 PM  

gadian: We don't have a cluster box, but my closest two neighbors and I all have boxes right next to each other at the end of the shared driveway.  The driveway is about a mile long and it's about a mile to the next closest little row of mailboxes, so I feel like we're meeting the PO halfway with this.  The farker still likes to leave packages sitting on top of the boxes though, with his half-drunk morning cup of coffee.  Won't even waste a delivery slip and take the package back to the post office.


USPS carriers are not allowed to go off of their route more than 1 mile (both ways) even down driveways.
So he leaves them at your box: you biatch about it.
Or he leaves a notice and takes them back to the P.O.: you still biatch about it.
It's a no win situation with some customers.

USPS Rules and Regulations: They exist for a reason.
 
2013-07-24 07:03:18 PM  

Lsherm: Crapinoleum: Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.

Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.

Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.


you're not a wastrel. just a run of the mill idiot.
 
2013-07-24 08:47:34 PM  

bmihura: The ONLY reason I even look at snail mail, once per year, is to check for IRS letters or red light camera letters.

Otherwise I have no use for snail mail and wish it would go away.


Just because you have no use for the mail does not mean others don't. Why do you wish for it to go away if you don't use it?
 
2013-07-24 09:09:58 PM  
The postal service should be scaled back in a reasonable way.
 
2013-07-24 10:30:51 PM  

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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You know how many people i see drive to these things?

/the one thing you can access in suburbia by foot
 
2013-07-24 11:31:50 PM  

hacksaw_jd: bmihura: The ONLY reason I even look at snail mail, once per year, is to check for IRS letters or red light camera letters.

Otherwise I have no use for snail mail and wish it would go away.

Just because you have no use for the mail does not mean others don't. Why do you wish for it to go away if you don't use it?


Because I don't want to have to pay for it?

Also, if the USPS was gone, maybe the IRS and the red light cameras would use a more modern form of communications like smoke signals or carrier pigeons.
 
2013-07-24 11:48:25 PM  

serial_crusher: hacksaw_jd: bmihura: The ONLY reason I even look at snail mail, once per year, is to check for IRS letters or red light camera letters.

Otherwise I have no use for snail mail and wish it would go away.

Just because you have no use for the mail does not mean others don't. Why do you wish for it to go away if you don't use it?

Because I don't want to have to pay for it?

Also, if the USPS was gone, maybe the IRS and the red light cameras would use a more modern form of communications like smoke signals or carrier pigeons.


The USPS is funded solely via postage and stamps.  You don't pay for anything.
 
2013-07-25 12:31:20 AM  

Thunderpipes: And yet Democrats are insistent nobody has their own home, or own car, or own land....


Hippiecrits. Come on guys, seriously?


You're using this alt again?
 
2013-07-25 12:54:42 AM  

lewismarktwo: serial_crusher: hacksaw_jd: bmihura: The ONLY reason I even look at snail mail, once per year, is to check for IRS letters or red light camera letters.

Otherwise I have no use for snail mail and wish it would go away.

Just because you have no use for the mail does not mean others don't. Why do you wish for it to go away if you don't use it?

Because I don't want to have to pay for it?

Also, if the USPS was gone, maybe the IRS and the red light cameras would use a more modern form of communications like smoke signals or carrier pigeons.

The USPS is funded solely via postage and stamps.  You don't pay for anything.

 Sure, not until people stop buying stamps, but a bunch of former federal employees still want the retirement benefits they were promised.  Then the magic stamp fairy is fortunately going to come and buy enough stamps to support 75 years of retirement benefits.


how come the USPS can be fully supported by stamps, but a private company would have to charge a million dollars per stamp if it took their place?
 
2013-07-25 01:32:44 AM  

Frederick: The postal service should be scaled back in a reasonable way.


Why?
 
2013-07-25 02:07:07 AM  

TommyymmoT: Frederick: The postal service should be scaled back in a reasonable way.

Why?


Because it is not the primary mode of long distance communication it once was.  The postal service is not as valuable as it used to be.
 
2013-07-25 02:31:57 AM  
It was never meant to "turn a profit".
Any more than the military, police, firefighters etc.
It is a public service that even companies like Fedex,  UPS, and DHL use to deliver to areas that they find unprofitable to cover.
The post office is mentioned in the constitution,.
The other entities I mentioned, are not.
 
2013-07-25 03:05:23 AM  
Grouping of 4 boxes at the end of my lane (corresponding to 4 houses)... and I just discovered that the StreetView car came by on a day we had outgoing mail (flag up).
 
2013-07-25 03:43:23 AM  

glmorrs1: Elandriel: I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society.  Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.

My aunt isn't quite a tea bagger, but she does watch a lot of Fox News and listen to Glen Beck everyday, and she works as a mail carrier for the post office. She's always biatching about how much money it loses and how everything government does should at least break even if not turn a profit. A couple months ago she was on her little tirade, so I asked her how was the fire dept supposed to earn money, should they send a bill afterwards to the people whose houses they save? She thought it was a good idea. Said if they can't afford to pay for it, why are they entitled to it.

/My brother ended that conversation by telling her that idea was "farking retarded", and asked if she knew what satire meant.
//She hasn't really spoken to us since then


I have a cousin in the USPS that is exactly the same way...funny, a lot of my friends in government service are the most anti government nuts out there...yet they love the pay and benefits.
 
2013-07-25 04:13:10 AM  

Thunderpipes: tbeatty: AdolfOliverPanties: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

Ummm, because poor people are his base?  And he is looking to increase it.

This. Poor people breed faster,vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Same reason he wants 11,000,000 new citizens via amnesty. Democrats will be in power forever, country will fold since nobody wants to work.

Obama is like Edward the Longshanks. "If we can't get them out, we'll breed them out".


Those 11000000 people that they are proposing amnesty for are probably Hispanic in descent...they can, have, and will work harder than anyone or anything that has ever dropped from the pasty, foul, white trash loins of your people.

/be careful at sturgis this year...heard the poor, real bikers love to roll you doughy wanna be's
 
2013-07-25 06:00:47 AM  
I say raise the rates.  That, and quit letting business use bulk mail to send out crappy fliers nobody wants.  How about that?  It just might save a little.  Pennies before dollars and all that.  It would still be cheaper to pay a buck to send a letter than to hand deliver it from California to New York.
 
2013-07-25 08:07:45 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: I say raise the rates.  That, and quit letting business use bulk mail to send out crappy fliers nobody wants


bulk mail is the biggest profit maker for the post office.  they would be up a creek without it.
 
2013-07-25 09:31:28 AM  

serial_crusher: hacksaw_jd: bmihura: The ONLY reason I even look at snail mail, once per year, is to check for IRS letters or red light camera letters.

Otherwise I have no use for snail mail and wish it would go away.

Just because you have no use for the mail does not mean others don't. Why do you wish for it to go away if you don't use it?

Because I don't want to have to pay for it?


That's a bit sociopathic, though, isn't it?  "Why do my brothers and sisters get Christmas presents too?  I don't use them."

But sure, we'll cancel the government service that you don't use---and then we'll stop maintaining your local interstate highways, because there's someone in Hawaii that never uses them.
 
2013-07-25 10:21:26 AM  

Frederick: TommyymmoT: Frederick: The postal service should be scaled back in a reasonable way.

Why?

Because it is not the primary mode of long distance communication it once was.  The postal service is not as valuable as it used to be.


===============

The Postal Service has been trying to modernize, and adjust to new market conditions, for some time now and had been sabotaged repeatedly by the Republicans.    Here's an example:  I used to live in a "good Republican" Podunk town in North Jersey, not too far from NYC.   The town post office handled mail for the town where I lived, as well as a neighboring town.  The postal facility in my town was very old and could no longer handle the volume of mail for the two towns it served, so the USPS built a shiny modern facility in the neighboring town, about a mile from the original postal facility.   All the mail sorting/handling jobs were transferred to the new facility, leaving just counter service at the old PO.  After a while the USPS determined that keeping just counter service at the old facility was a money losing proposition, so they attempted to close the the counter at the old office, and transfer everything to the new building less than a mile away.   The local Republicans went berserk.  They claimed that it would be a huge burden to the old people living in town...."Will no one think of the geezers!".  The reality is that the town was fairly well to do, I've never seen anyone actually walk to the old post office.  Well, after the local Republicans put pressure on the state Republicans, who in turn put pressure on people on Washington, the office remained open even though it loses money every year.

The Republicans don't want to see the Postal Service righted,  they have engineered it to fail so they can GIVE it to their Wall St. and private equity friends.
 
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