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(Fox 23 Tulsa)   House Republicans decide that people don't need mail delivered to their homes anymore, propose new neighborhood "cluster boxes." If only there was a word to insert between "cluster" and "boxes" that would describe the probable results   (fox23.com) divider line 503
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2013-07-24 09:43:11 AM
Hey, when the GOP has a good idea, let's support it. I've been using these for over 5 years. No big deal. More efficient. Saves money. Christ, come on people.
 
2013-07-24 09:44:13 AM
As many of you already mentioned.  This is another GOP fabricated issue as the real reason the USPS is losing money is the PAEA of 2006.   If the USPS didn't have to prefund retiree benefits (which absolutely no other institution or enterprise would do in their right minds) the USPS would actually be turning a profit right now.

So much for the "conservative" party that values our heritage.  Just so happens the USPS, which has been around since Ben Franklin's time, also directly contradicts the GOP's pro-capitalism/free market agenda...nevermind the fact that the success of capitalism is largely due to the services the USPS has granted over the past few centuries.

I have nothing against republicans as a whole, nor am I a democrat or libertarian.   I just find the spinning of this issue by the likes of Darrell Issa and co. completely dishonest and manipulative.
 
2013-07-24 09:48:06 AM
The Biff Dangler solution is fool proof:

Fire the sorters.  Deliver mail every other day.  On the day that the mail is not being delivered, the delivery guy sorts.

let's face it, at least 80% of all mail is shiat nobody needs.  Of the remaining 20%, it can wait an extra day.
 
2013-07-24 09:49:06 AM

heavymetal: tbeatty: heavymetal:
Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.

I always hear that but UPS and FedEx also doesn't do house to house delivery Monday through Saturday.  So until they have that service and expense added to their bottom line, it is an apples to oranges type comparison.


UPS does have Saturday delivery.

/loaded boxes at UPS from 2am to 9am for three years
 
2013-07-24 09:55:12 AM
meh, I pay my bills online anyway...
 
2013-07-24 09:55:35 AM

Aristocles: heavymetal: tbeatty: heavymetal:
Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.

I always hear that but UPS and FedEx also doesn't do house to house delivery Monday through Saturday.  So until they have that service and expense added to their bottom line, it is an apples to oranges type comparison.

UPS does have Saturday delivery.

/loaded boxes at UPS from 2am to 9am for three years


But I think what he was getting at is the the USPS is the only organization in the entire country that visits 99% of all mail boxes in the country 6 times per week...
 
2013-07-24 09:55:48 AM

ajeoae: As many of you already mentioned.  This is another GOP fabricated issue as the real reason the USPS is losing money is the PAEA of 2006 that their product is obsolete.   If the USPS didn't have to prefund retiree benefits (which absolutely no other institution or enterprise would do in their right minds) the USPS would actually be turning a profit right now, and racking up massive tax burden for your grandchildren.


FTFY.  You can complain about the PAEA all you want, but it's there for a reason.  The USPS has been on its way out ever since people stopped sending mail in the 1990s.  Long after the post office delivers its last dead tree, those employees are still going to be retired, and they're still going to want the benefits they were promised.
But why plan ahead right?  We'll just let it be somebody else's problem.
 
2013-07-24 09:57:34 AM

heavymetal: tbeatty: heavymetal:
Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.

I always hear that but UPS and FedEx also doesn't do house to house delivery Monday through Saturday.  So until they have that service and expense added to their bottom line, it is an apples to oranges type comparison.


FedEx and UPS also extensively use the USPS for delivery of small parcels. He's not thinking his clever plan all the way through.
 
2013-07-24 09:59:11 AM

manimal2878: FLMountainMan: A couple of postal workers get robbed/killed each month for the keys to those boxes.

THis sounds like an exaggeration.




Seems like a low risk crime that will be an even bigger lure.

Guess we will need a shiatton of cameras and drones to patrol them.

Good luck with "registered" mail.
 
2013-07-24 10:03:14 AM

midigod: Aristocles: Of course UPS delivers letters, and they don't have to be next day delivery.

I've just now checked my UPS account, and when you select UPS letter, the option for Ground delivery is no longer available.  When you instead select "Other Packaging," and enter the dimensions of a letter, the price for Ground service for the random address I selected three states away from me is $15.22.


This is odd. It seems that none of the UPS packages offer ground service. This is not how it was a few years ago.
 
2013-07-24 10:03:47 AM

Aristocles: This is a good idea, it will cut back on those deadly fuel emissions caused by mail delivery.


No it won't. Most of the people (at least in my neighborhood) would probably DRIVE to this communal mailbox.

Heck, most of my neighbors drive to the end of the driveway just to get their mail now.
 
2013-07-24 10:05:08 AM

themindiswatching: That sucks. The USPS does seem to have a habit around here for some reason of making me go to the post office to pick up any packages from overseas.


That's an issue of Customs. They have to physically hand over packages from overseas, they can't leave them in a box. (I think this is more due to trying to restrict drug trade than anything).
 
2013-07-24 10:06:09 AM

midigod: tbeatty: UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.

They also don't deliver letters, unless you want to pay for overnight delivery.  And if the USPS goes away, you better bet your ass that UPS and FedEx will both deliver junk mail.


It's hard to say. The biggest point of idiocy of the post office is that they charge a flat rate. It shouldn't cost the same to send a letter three blocks down in Manhattan as it does from Florida to rural Idaho. UPS and FedEx aren't stupid enough to do philanthropic delivery - if you wanted to carpet an entire area, you'd probably pay some serious money.

Most people are missing the point of this proposal. The Republicans don't want anyone even considering the option of removing the flat rate. All of a sudden their constituents who live 30 miles from nowhere are going to pay for the inconvenience, instead of urban dwellers subsidizing them. If the post office collapses, it's the rural crowd that suffers the most. There will be a ton of businesses stepping up to deliver mail within a city core.
 
2013-07-24 10:07:03 AM

serial_crusher: ajeoae: As many of you already mentioned.  This is another GOP fabricated issue as the real reason the USPS is losing money is the PAEA of 2006 that their product is obsolete.   If the USPS didn't have to prefund retiree benefits (which absolutely no other institution or enterprise would do in their right minds) the USPS would actually be turning a profit right now, and racking up massive tax burden for your grandchildren.

FTFY.  You can complain about the PAEA all you want, but it's there for a reason.  The USPS has been on its way out ever since people stopped sending mail in the 1990s.  Long after the post office delivers its last dead tree, those employees are still going to be retired, and they're still going to want the benefits they were promised.
But why plan ahead right?  We'll just let it be somebody else's problem.


Except that people have not stopped sending mail.  Personal letters are certainly no longer a thing, but there are still parcels, financial documents and other assorted bits (not just junk mail) that require the postal service.  And as it's been pointed out repeatedly throughout this thread, the private sector (UPS and FedEx) rely heavily upon the USPS' infrastructure to help them deliver packages.

And do you really think the PAEA was passed because the GOP was actually concerned about what was going to happen to this country 75 years from now?  That's laughable.
 
2013-07-24 10:07:24 AM

Maul555: Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system?  This is a new one to me...

/registered repub
//conservative libertarian
///enjoys getting mail


This has been a pattern I noticed. The GOP does seem to be trying to kill the USPS. (changing accounting rules, pension funding rules, etc.)

What I can't figure out is why they want whatever it is they seem to want. What's in it for them?
 
2013-07-24 10:09:03 AM

jpo2269: Of course your take on things isn't really based in reality.  The postal service as a quasi-independent agency of the government is supposed to operate off of its revenues.  Prior to a few years ago, the postal service had never laid off any employees.  The requirement for the postal service fully fund its pensions is neither draconian, nor an act of trying to kill the postal service, it is one endangered example of common sense coming out of DC.


The pension funding requirements placed on the USPS were unreasonable and FAR in excess of what is required by other agencies or businesses.
 
2013-07-24 10:12:46 AM
Ban BULK rates. No one needs bulk rates.
 
2013-07-24 10:12:58 AM

Elandriel: I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society.  Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.


My aunt isn't quite a tea bagger, but she does watch a lot of Fox News and listen to Glen Beck everyday, and she works as a mail carrier for the post office. She's always biatching about how much money it loses and how everything government does should at least break even if not turn a profit. A couple months ago she was on her little tirade, so I asked her how was the fire dept supposed to earn money, should they send a bill afterwards to the people whose houses they save? She thought it was a good idea. Said if they can't afford to pay for it, why are they entitled to it.

/My brother ended that conversation by telling her that idea was "farking retarded", and asked if she knew what satire meant.
//She hasn't really spoken to us since then
 
2013-07-24 10:13:27 AM

jpo2269: Bashar,

Of course your take on things isn't really based in reality.  The postal service as a quasi-independent agency of the government is supposed to operate off of its revenues.  Prior to a few years ago, the postal service had never laid off any employees.  The requirement for the postal service fully fund its pensions is neither draconian, nor an act of trying to kill the postal service, it is one endangered example of common sense coming out of DC.

Granted, if the entire federal government had to adhere to the same rules, the size and scope of govt. would be much smaller..  I do not harbor ill feelings towards govt workers, many/most perform a vital service with little to no individual recognition... but if an "independent agency" is truly independent, would they need a govt. bailout?



The congressional mandate to fund the USPS pension plan was imposed on no other public or private enterprise in America. Since 2006, Congress has forced the Postal Service to make enormous annual contributions into a fund for future retiree health benefits, including the $5.5 billion and $5.6 billion mentioned above. In fact, since they began, these payments have accounted for more than 80 percent of the Postal Service's losses.

It is worth noting that the Postal Service's pension funds are overfunded and the retiree health care fund -- into which these payments are transferred -- currently contains almost $45 billion dollars, enough to pay retiree health costs for decades to come.

This congressional mandate is the cause of the "crisis" facing the Postal Service, and it has nothing to do with operations, decreasing mail volume, or the Internet.
 
2013-07-24 10:17:31 AM
We all know Republicans are a bunch of evil assholes.

Now, what are we discussing here today? Haven't read TFA yet.
 
2013-07-24 10:20:07 AM

Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.


==============

Funny thing, these rural, white, dumb-asses are the most rabid supporters of the twisted GOP agenda.  These twits are going to be stuck out in the middle of Bumfark, Nowhere with no paved roads, no phone, net, or TV service, no schools, hospitals and no mail service, to say nothing of jobs, and their property values, which are near zero as it is.    They are literally demanding that they be placed on a reservation for white tards,
 
2013-07-24 10:21:35 AM

SpectroBoy: Maul555: Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system?  This is a new one to me...

/registered repub
//conservative libertarian
///enjoys getting mail

This has been a pattern I noticed. The GOP does seem to be trying to kill the USPS. (changing accounting rules, pension funding rules, etc.)

What I can't figure out is why they want whatever it is they seem to want. What's in it for them?


It's too easy to hide things in snail mail. Like words.

Ever vigilant, 100% monitoring, 100% security.
 
2013-07-24 10:24:33 AM

SpectroBoy: Maul555: Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system?  This is a new one to me...

/registered repub
//conservative libertarian
///enjoys getting mail

This has been a pattern I noticed. The GOP does seem to be trying to kill the USPS. (changing accounting rules, pension funding rules, etc.)

What I can't figure out is why they want whatever it is they seem to want. What's in it for them?


MONEY. The GOP wants a frat bro owning another piece of YOUR country.
They think you are too stupid to notice.
Close, we are just too busy and well, human.
 
2013-07-24 10:26:10 AM

Fissile: Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.

==============

Funny thing, these rural, white, dumb-asses are the most rabid supporters of the twisted GOP agenda.  These twits are going to be stuck out in the middle of Bumfark, Nowhere with no paved roads, no phone, net, or TV service, no schools, hospitals and no mail service, to say nothing of jobs, and their property values, which are near zero as it is.    They are literally demanding that they be placed on a reservation for white tards,


Barefoot, pregnant, and in a concentration camp "for your own good" is the mission of the day.
 
2013-07-24 10:27:33 AM
So, destroy jobs, attack Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. constitution, give shipping dollars to their buddies in UPS and FedEx, and generally jerk everyone around.

Thanks,
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-24 10:33:17 AM

Dog Welder: serial_crusher: ajeoae: As many of you already mentioned.  This is another GOP fabricated issue as the real reason the USPS is losing money is the PAEA of 2006 that their product is obsolete.   If the USPS didn't have to prefund retiree benefits (which absolutely no other institution or enterprise would do in their right minds) the USPS would actually be turning a profit right now, and racking up massive tax burden for your grandchildren.

FTFY.  You can complain about the PAEA all you want, but it's there for a reason.  The USPS has been on its way out ever since people stopped sending mail in the 1990s.  Long after the post office delivers its last dead tree, those employees are still going to be retired, and they're still going to want the benefits they were promised.
But why plan ahead right?  We'll just let it be somebody else's problem.

Except that people have not stopped sending mail.  Personal letters are certainly no longer a thing, but there are still parcels, financial documents and other assorted bits (not just junk mail) that require the postal service.  And as it's been pointed out repeatedly throughout this thread, the private sector (UPS and FedEx) rely heavily upon the USPS' infrastructure to help them deliver packages.


You know how much I wish I could get my financial crap and legal documents through email instead of snail mail?  Have them be searchable and instantly accessible at the end of the year when I'm doing my taxes?
Just because those industries haven't modernized yet, do you really think they won't within the next 75 years?

I'm fine with the government spending tax money on infrastructure to keep packages moving around (even though 3D printing is going to cut into that business too...).  But the idea that you need a guy coming to your door every day is laughable, as is the idea that it will magically pay for itself.
 
2013-07-24 10:33:54 AM

snocone: Fissile: Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.

==============

Funny thing, these rural, white, dumb-asses are the most rabid supporters of the twisted GOP agenda.  These twits are going to be stuck out in the middle of Bumfark, Nowhere with no paved roads, no phone, net, or TV service, no schools, hospitals and no mail service, to say nothing of jobs, and their property values, which are near zero as it is.    They are literally demanding that they be placed on a reservation for white tards,

Barefoot, pregnant, and in a concentration camp "for your own good" is the mission of the day.




Then move. My friends want to put up a call center complex.
 
2013-07-24 10:37:41 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)


It's because he's a socialist, Muslim, black radical Christian immigrant who is tormented by every second that America remains the bastion of liberty that it is.
 
2013-07-24 10:38:03 AM

serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.


Such a 1% solution.  Paying someone to sort and digitize your mail?  Seriously, doesn't that take you 2 minutes a day to do it yourself?
 
2013-07-24 10:41:56 AM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


But they get to keep hard core religion so it evens out.
 
2013-07-24 10:44:27 AM

room at the top: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.

Such a 1% solution.  Paying someone to sort and digitize your mail?  Seriously, doesn't that take you 2 minutes a day to do it yourself?


Beat me to it by that much.
We have 1%ers that never touch mail making decisions for your own good.
Oh, and for their own profit. I been tole' profit is not a dirty word. I think it was that Keynesian guy.
Move along.
 
2013-07-24 10:45:25 AM

Lsherm: log_jammin: we've gone to the moon, sent probes to the very edge of the solar system, and brought down the soviet union.

But now mail delivery is too hard to do.

Too expensive for the result.  Don't mistake difficulty with efficiency.


Try sending mail through FedEx or UPS.
 
2013-07-24 10:45:31 AM

SpectroBoy: Maul555: Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system?  This is a new one to me...

/registered repub
//conservative libertarian
///enjoys getting mail

This has been a pattern I noticed. The GOP does seem to be trying to kill the USPS. (changing accounting rules, pension funding rules, etc.)

What I can't figure out is why they want whatever it is they seem to want. What's in it for them?


Filthy lucre in the form of kick-backs from the corporations who would "privatize" it.
 
2013-07-24 10:45:35 AM

Latinwolf: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

But they get to keep hard core religion so it evens out.


All you need is religion,,,
La la, de da.
Humm sumptin.

catchy
 
2013-07-24 10:47:26 AM

some_beer_drinker: Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x266]

this. everywhere in canada...as far as i know. you lazy fark americans. my old man drives 400 feet to get his mail. talk about lazy.


Reminds me of this scene at the :15 second mark.
 
2013-07-24 10:50:14 AM

serial_crusher: Dog Welder: serial_crusher: ajeoae: As many of you already mentioned.  This is another GOP fabricated issue as the real reason the USPS is losing money is the PAEA of 2006 that their product is obsolete.   If the USPS didn't have to prefund retiree benefits (which absolutely no other institution or enterprise would do in their right minds) the USPS would actually be turning a profit right now, and racking up massive tax burden for your grandchildren.

FTFY.  You can complain about the PAEA all you want, but it's there for a reason.  The USPS has been on its way out ever since people stopped sending mail in the 1990s.  Long after the post office delivers its last dead tree, those employees are still going to be retired, and they're still going to want the benefits they were promised.
But why plan ahead right?  We'll just let it be somebody else's problem.

Except that people have not stopped sending mail.  Personal letters are certainly no longer a thing, but there are still parcels, financial documents and other assorted bits (not just junk mail) that require the postal service.  And as it's been pointed out repeatedly throughout this thread, the private sector (UPS and FedEx) rely heavily upon the USPS' infrastructure to help them deliver packages.

You know how much I wish I could get my financial crap and legal documents through email instead of snail mail?  Have them be searchable and instantly accessible at the end of the year when I'm doing my taxes?
Just because those industries haven't modernized yet, do you really think they won't within the next 75 years?

I'm fine with the government spending tax money on infrastructure to keep packages moving around (even though 3D printing is going to cut into that business too...).  But the idea that you need a guy coming to your door every day is laughable, as is the idea that it will magically pay for itself.


And yet when the USPS suggested cutting Saturday delivery, the House GOP told them they couldn't do that.

There are many other government agencies looking to be obsolete within the next 75 years, yet NOT ONE of them needs to fund their pension and health benefits for the next 75 years.  There is no company and no other government agency in the entire world that is hamstrung with that specific requirement.

For whatever reason, the GOP is trying to kill off a vital government function.  Just because YOU do not see a need for the USPS it does not mean there is no need for the USPS.

Get rid of the USPS and you will see shipping costs in this company skyrocket.  It will farking kill small businesses and put huge dents into the profit margins of many corporations.

But let's not think too far ahead, because I'm sure the GOP will find a way to blame Obama.
 
2013-07-24 10:50:31 AM

Great_Milenko: Does that ridiculous $353 per stop amount include retirement benefits for employees who haven't been born yet?


The longest postal route is 187 miles and 250 mail boxes. At about $0.40 a mile in mail truck costs alone, you'll rack up some $80 per stop in yearly expenses for that route. If the postal employee gets $100k in salary+benefits, that's another $400 per stop. You're at almost $500 per stop per year and that's not including their share of the costs of the post office and its equipment and the transportation getting the letters to and from that post-office. Heck, the correspondence to and from places in Alaska only reachable by air are probably hugely distorting in that equation. So if that cost its a yearly cost for a given stop, I find $353 a credible number for an average.

The MEDIAN cost is probably much, much lower.
 
2013-07-24 10:53:52 AM

room at the top: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.

Such a 1% solution.  Paying someone to sort and digitize your mail?  Seriously, doesn't that take you 2 minutes a day to do it yourself?


If it wasn't for that damned grocery store spam.  I used to just pick the mail up at the clusterbox while walking the dog, but it's hard to hold a leash and those loose coupons while also picking up poop.  Worth $5 to not have to go run around chasing paper every time the wind gets hold of one of those things.

So yeah, 1% solution.  You jealous?  There are far more useless things I spend $5 a month on....
 
2013-07-24 10:59:19 AM
It would make the job easier for process servers.
 
2013-07-24 11:08:31 AM

Dog Welder: There are many other government agencies looking to be obsolete within the next 75 years, yet NOT ONE of them needs to fund their pension and health benefits for the next 75 years. There is no company and no other government agency in the entire world that is hamstrung with that specific requirement.


Well the USPS had a mandate to be self-sufficient since day one, and the 75 year mandate is a result of that.  Do any other agencies have that as a requirement at all?  I'd expect those that do to be on the hook for their retirement plans also.

Like I said, I think it's fine to expense transportation and shipping infrastructure through taxes, but evidently Congress didn't when they first set up the post office.  The infrastructure stuff should probably be treated separately from residential delivery.  They're spending a huge amount of money on a fleet of employees and vehicles who drive to every mailbox 6 days a week regardless of whether or not there's anything to deliver.  Even if they just took packages to you on demand (and had you schedule pick ups when you were sending something), would they still kill small businesses?  Seems unlikely to me.
 
2013-07-24 11:11:18 AM

Piizzadude: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Piizzadude: Serious question

Can you quit mail service? Just change your mailing address to nothing

I have a buddy who had no mail box, so no address the post office knew about. I don't think you're required to have mail service

/he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you

Yeah I got the spec'd thing covered. They stopped delivering mail to us for awhile (when you actually got things that are important) because it leaned too far to one side.

Now a days it is just bills and BS. The bills I get online already, the BS I could do without.


That BS pays the postal services gap. What you need to do is your part. Remove all personal Identifying Information from the BS, stuff it back in that prepaid envelope, and mail it back. Not only does that ensure the USPS get paid, but it keeps someone employed opening that shiat.
 
2013-07-24 11:12:54 AM

Dog Welder: Get rid of the USPS and you will see shipping costs in this company skyrocket.  It will farking kill small businesses and put huge dents into the profit margins of many corporations.


I just mailed out about 75 tubes with photographs in them to customers, via USPS.  Each one cost me about $2.60 to mail.  Had I done the same thing with UPS, each one would have cost $12.27, on average.  Those were event pics, so they were inexpensive.  I'll need to double my prices for an event like that, just to account for postage, if there's no USPS.  And that's assuming UPS wouldn't increase their rates in that circumstance.
 
2013-07-24 11:14:08 AM

ajeoae: As many of you already mentioned. This is another GOP fabricated issue as the real reason the USPS is losing money is the PAEA of 2006. If the USPS didn't have to prefund retiree benefits (which absolutely no other institution or enterprise would do in their right minds) the USPS would actually be turning a profit right now.


You know, I'm not even bothering addressing this from that stand point (and I agree with your point).

From a political standpoint, this is just a dumb move from the GOP because it will piss the hell out of an important voting block for them; old people.  Old people farking HATE the idea of any changes to postal delivery.
 
2013-07-24 11:14:39 AM
Obamacare was bad enough. Actually Romneycare, just renamed to protect the guilty.
Not too sure about Obamamail.
 
2013-07-24 11:29:10 AM

midigod: Dog Welder: Get rid of the USPS and you will see shipping costs in this company skyrocket.  It will farking kill small businesses and put huge dents into the profit margins of many corporations.

I just mailed out about 75 tubes with photographs in them to customers, via USPS.  Each one cost me about $2.60 to mail.  Had I done the same thing with UPS, each one would have cost $12.27, on average.  Those were event pics, so they were inexpensive.  I'll need to double my prices for an event like that, just to account for postage, if there's no USPS.  And that's assuming UPS wouldn't increase their rates in that circumstance.


Oh, you silly event photographers.  You're going to charge me $30 for the digital version of that race photo, then complain about how much it would cost to ship a physical copy?
 
2013-07-24 11:30:19 AM

jayphat: Piizzadude: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Piizzadude: Serious question

Can you quit mail service? Just change your mailing address to nothing

I have a buddy who had no mail box, so no address the post office knew about. I don't think you're required to have mail service

/he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you

Yeah I got the spec'd thing covered. They stopped delivering mail to us for awhile (when you actually got things that are important) because it leaned too far to one side.

Now a days it is just bills and BS. The bills I get online already, the BS I could do without.

That BS pays the postal services gap. What you need to do is your part. Remove all personal Identifying Information from the BS, stuff it back in that prepaid envelope, and mail it back. Not only does that ensure the USPS get paid, but it keeps someone employed opening that shiat.


I used to stuff other companies' spam into the return envelopes.  The wage slaves at Citibank are getting great deals on DirecTV!
 
2013-07-24 11:38:41 AM

sheep snorter: If its a totally proper cluster box, they have these slots in them that you put all your junk mail, then the mail carrier comes along the next time and takes out all the junk mail and delivers it to the station for recycling.

/Or is that the outgoing mail slot?
//Meh, any old slot in a storm and you don't get busted for littering.


BRILLIANT!!
 
2013-07-24 11:45:52 AM

serial_crusher: room at the top: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.

Such a 1% solution.  Paying someone to sort and digitize your mail?  Seriously, doesn't that take you 2 minutes a day to do it yourself?

If it wasn't for that damned grocery store spam.  I used to just pick the mail up at the clusterbox while walking the dog, but it's hard to hold a leash and those loose coupons while also picking up poop.  Worth $5 to not have to go run around chasing paper every time the wind gets hold of one of those things.

So yeah, 1% solution.  You jealous?  There are far more useless things I spend $5 a month on....


Nope, not jealous at all.  Call me a luddite, but I'd rather not have all my personal info digitized and stored.  Sounds like an excellent opportunity to get my identity stolen.
 
2013-07-24 11:53:55 AM

serial_crusher: Oh, you silly event photographers.  You're going to charge me $30 for the digital version of that race photo, then complain about how much it would cost to ship a physical copy?


I think you'll be the one complaining, not me.  I'll be trying to defend paying over 12 bucks to mail it to you, and you'll be the one who doesn't buy it because of that.  So yes, it will absolutely affect every small business in the country that uses USPS.  Not everyone wants a digital copy.  In fact, for this last event, I've sold exactly one download (which is very reasonably priced), and a little over a hundred physical copies.

People can crow all they want about how everything "should" be digital, or "should" be sent electronically, but the fact is, physical mail and physical copies will be with us for at least another 20 years, if not more.
 
2013-07-24 11:57:33 AM

room at the top: serial_crusher: room at the top: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.

Such a 1% solution.  Paying someone to sort and digitize your mail?  Seriously, doesn't that take you 2 minutes a day to do it yourself?

If it wasn't for that damned grocery store spam.  I used to just pick the mail up at the clusterbox while walking the dog, but it's hard to hold a leash and those loose coupons while also picking up poop.  Worth $5 to not have to go run around chasing paper every time the wind gets hold of one of those things.

So yeah, 1% solution.  You jealous?  There are far more useless things I spend $5 a month on....

Nope, not jealous at all.  Call me a luddite, but I'd rather not have all my personal info digitized and stored.  Sounds like an excellent opportunity to get my identity stolen.




Right, like your info isn't all over China and India, right now.
 
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