LasersHurt: Goimir: My point was this already is a police state, and has been one since at least the 80sYou guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?
Goimir: LasersHurt: Goimir: My point was this already is a police state, and has been one since at least the 80sYou guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?It's not your fault. I remembe being told in school:"You're lucky to live in the USA. Imagine living in a country where the police can stop you and ask you for your papers at any time and ask you where you're going and what you're doing. Imagine going to the store and only being able to buy what they have at that store. Is the produce rotten? Too bad, either buy it or do without. Imagine the police being able to arrest you for being critical of the government, or just hanging out with the wrong people. Imagine the police being able to barge into your homes or listen to your phone conversations without a warrant."Now we live in a country with Terry stops, where Walmart is the only choice in rural areas, free speech zones, the war on drugs, no knock raids, and the NSA./Yeah, I grew up in a Polish immigrant community, 95% of which were people who defected from behind the Iron Curtain.
Pharmdawg: Especially if you're an arthritic old granny who has to haul an oxygen tank behind her to get the mail.
Dedmon: Yea. The elderly should shut up, get in their wheelchairs, and push themselves down the block in 110 degree weather, those lazy asses. God forbid indeed
LasersHurt: You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?
optikeye: third world country territory
balancing act: So when I sold my last house, which had curbside delivery, we moved to this house which has a clusterbox.A couple weeks after we left the old place, the realtor called and asked us for the mailbox key. We never had one, there was no lock on our curbside box. Turns out, the very week we moved, they transitioned the neighborhood to clusterboxes.The part I don't really get is, the old house, we built in 1995, and it had curbside. This house was built in 1987, but it has clusterboxes. But the folks across the street have curbside. Both old and new neighborhoods are medium density suburban areas.I know there must be some logic to all this, but it puzzles me.Box isn't bad for us, its right on our property (probably on an easement, idk). I have never had anyone leave junk laying around out there. Once in a great while someone will leave out a piece of misdelivered mail instead of delivering to the house themselves like the rest of us.
GoldSpider: LasersHurt: You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?Like comparing the consolidation of mail delivery locations to "optikeye: third world country territory"?
ChaoticCoyote: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.What about legal stuff, new debit/credit cards, packages... ?
jst3p: The NSA loves that you like this service.
tbeatty: UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.
midigod: tbeatty: UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.They also don't deliver letters, unless you want to pay for overnight delivery. And if the USPS goes away, you better bet your ass that UPS and FedEx will both deliver junk mail.
Lsherm: Old people like Medicare more than the post office.Liberals: keep pretending money grows on trees. As Detroit found out, you can't borrow your way to success.
TuteTibiImperes: Not exactly. They could create actual Euro notes, but it would be in violation of the terms of EU to do so without authorization. The US is under no such restrictions to print dollars.While I agree that further devaluing the dollar against other currencies through dilution isn't ideal for all purposes, it does have the effect of making US exports more attractive. The weaker the dollar, the cheaper other countries can by our goods, which does indeed help the domestic economy in a way.
Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.
hubiestubert: Which is oddly enough, the same reason why private schools and public schools are not equal and opposite. Public schools have to take everyone, and accommodate special needs, while private schools can pick and choose their student body, and oddly enough, drop those that they think will drop their scores or cause too much trouble. Public schools have to at least make the attempt. The point of public schools is not a profit margin, and comparing them to private schools, that ARE supposed to run at a profit, it's not really an even comparison. It's akin to comparing hospice care and the recovery rates at a children's hospital, or a private clinic.And that's sort of the point. The government takes on duties that for profit companies can't, or won't take on. Because there's not really a profit in doing so. And how many ideas trickle out of government labs, that eventually find their way to the private sector, but whose basis was in pure science research? The government isn't supposed to operate at a profit, and the comparisons to private firms, who do get to pick and choose their clients, that's neither fair, nor is it even a genuine argument. And yet, these for profit firms are still just annoyed that the government is still, after 225 years of service, that the US postal service is still guaranteed by the Constitution...
TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.
Notabunny: fta According to a recent report from the Postal Service's Office of the Inspector General, ending door-to-door delivery would save $4.5 billion a year.How? I can guess, but I'd like to hear it from a Republican. And please explain how this fits into your Jobs!Jobs!Jobs! agenda.
Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x266]
Z1P2: Not sure i believe that it would save time or gas...
optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.
The Larch: Notabunny: fta According to a recent report from the Postal Service's Office of the Inspector General, ending door-to-door delivery would save $4.5 billion a year.How? I can guess, but I'd like to hear it from a Republican. And please explain how this fits into your Jobs!Jobs!Jobs! agenda.Because every dollar the post office spends is a dollar taken out of the private sector. And the private sector would have invested that dollar and turned it into 4.5 billion dollars worth of jobs.
Aristocles: Z1P2: Not sure i believe that it would save time or gas...Did you ever have a paper route as a kid? I did, and trust me, if I could have dropped a load at the top of the street instead of having to hit each drive way, it would have saved a hell of a lot of time.
tbeatty: heavymetal:Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.
Mad Scientist: What percentage of the annual tax abatement/subsidy to Exxon would solve the budget problems for the USPS?
Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.riiight.It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.You're a wastrel or an idiot.
Kibbler: This will fly until those same Republicans discover that they have to walk to a "cluster box" to get their mail, and then it will stop.Kind of like the sequester was a great idea until they found out it would impact their own travel schedules.
Full Metal Retard: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.It was Democrats who ended education in the USA, and replaced it with indoctrination and feel good bullshiat. I'm guessing you went to all public schools, and found those beyond your intellectual grasp.
Clemkadidlefark: Stupid people to the Left, please.People who can properly handle mathematics to the Right.Okay now, what's Pension/Inflating US Dollar x Federal Hiring Practices?If you came up with any answer other than Unsustainable, here's your sign.
m00: heavymetal: Of course their constituents who need the electric buggies to shop at Walmart thanks to their bad dietary choices and sedentary lifestyles, will be the first to complain about having to walk down the street to their "cluster box" for mail. Then they will use it as an example of why government doesn't work, and why the Federal Post Service must be disbanded and privatized.Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.I don't think it's this. It's the fact the media has brainwashed people into thinking we have to save every penny even if it means cutting into vital services (hey look, we're "doing something) while completely ignoring the billions of dollars a year GE gets in subsidies, the fact we bailed out New Zealand banks for I think over a trillion, the foreign aid we give to countries that hate us, the foreign aid we give to countries that we owe money, the military bases we keep around the world in places like Germany, the trillions we spend on having a standing military larger than the rest of the world combined coupled with the fact we still can't win a war...Media doesn't talk about this.Instead, lets cut education, postal services, and welfare!
NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.
Teaser: "I'm 79 years old and my husband is 81 and if we had to go somewhere else to get our mail it would be a real problem,"[sharocity.com image 600x375]
Clemkadidlefark: Stupid people to the Left, please.People who can properly handle mathematics to the Right.
Maul555: Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system? This is a new one to me.../registered repub//conservative libertarian///enjoys getting mail
Aristocles: Of course UPS delivers letters, and they don't have to be next day delivery.
gadian: We don't have a cluster box, but my closest two neighbors and I all have boxes right next to each other at the end of the shared driveway. The driveway is about a mile long and it's about a mile to the next closest little row of mailboxes, so I feel like we're meeting the PO halfway with this. The farker still likes to leave packages sitting on top of the boxes though, with his half-drunk morning cup of coffee. Won't even waste a delivery slip and take the package back to the post office.
FLMountainMan: A couple of postal workers get robbed/killed each month for the keys to those boxes.
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