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(Fox 23 Tulsa)   House Republicans decide that people don't need mail delivered to their homes anymore, propose new neighborhood "cluster boxes." If only there was a word to insert between "cluster" and "boxes" that would describe the probable results   (fox23.com) divider line 503
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2013-07-24 07:53:00 AM
Put a cluster two blocks away from me?  Keep it.  People will call me when they really want me to do something.
 
2013-07-24 07:55:03 AM

LasersHurt: Goimir: My point was this already is a police state, and has been one since at least the 80s

You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?


It's not your fault. I remembe being told in school:

"You're lucky to live in the USA. Imagine living in a country where the police can stop you and ask you for your papers at any time and ask you where you're going and what you're doing. Imagine going to the store and only being able to buy what they have at that store. Is the produce rotten? Too bad, either buy it or do without. Imagine the police being able to arrest you for being critical of the government, or just hanging out with the wrong people. Imagine the police being able to barge into your homes or listen to your phone conversations without a warrant."

Now we live in a country with Terry stops, where Walmart is the only choice in rural areas, free speech zones, the war on drugs, no knock raids, and the NSA.

/Yeah, I grew up in a Polish immigrant community, 95% of which were people who defected from behind the Iron Curtain.
 
2013-07-24 07:57:26 AM

Goimir: LasersHurt: Goimir: My point was this already is a police state, and has been one since at least the 80s

You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?

It's not your fault. I remembe being told in school:

"You're lucky to live in the USA. Imagine living in a country where the police can stop you and ask you for your papers at any time and ask you where you're going and what you're doing. Imagine going to the store and only being able to buy what they have at that store. Is the produce rotten? Too bad, either buy it or do without. Imagine the police being able to arrest you for being critical of the government, or just hanging out with the wrong people. Imagine the police being able to barge into your homes or listen to your phone conversations without a warrant."

Now we live in a country with Terry stops, where Walmart is the only choice in rural areas, free speech zones, the war on drugs, no knock raids, and the NSA.

/Yeah, I grew up in a Polish immigrant community, 95% of which were people who defected from behind the Iron Curtain.


So "No", then?
 
2013-07-24 07:59:00 AM

Pharmdawg: Especially if you're an arthritic old granny who has to haul an oxygen tank behind her to get the mail.


Actually, the article mentions that a mailbox by your street would be okay as long as its out in front of your house and accessible by the USPS truck.  What they want to see gone is the porch mailboxes that go right next to your door, thus requiring your mail delivery person to walk up the street, down your walkway, up the steps to your porch, deliver your mail, walk back to the street, jog over 100 ft and repeat.

But you know, dont let facts or anything get in the way of your butthurt.

Dedmon: Yea. The elderly should shut up, get in their wheelchairs, and push themselves down the block in 110 degree weather, those lazy asses. God forbid indeed


and again - Mailboxes by your driveway are okay.
 
2013-07-24 08:00:24 AM

LasersHurt: You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?


Like comparing the consolidation of mail delivery locations to "

optikeye: third world country territory

"?
 
2013-07-24 08:02:44 AM

balancing act: So when I sold my last house, which had curbside delivery, we moved to this house which has a clusterbox.
A couple weeks after we left the old place, the realtor called and asked us for the mailbox key.  We never had one, there was no lock on our curbside box.  Turns out, the very week we moved, they transitioned the neighborhood to clusterboxes.
The part I don't really get is, the old house, we built in 1995, and it had curbside. This house was built in 1987, but it has clusterboxes.  But the folks across the street have curbside.  Both old and new neighborhoods are medium density suburban areas.
I know there must be some logic to all this, but it puzzles me.
Box isn't bad for us, its right on our property (probably on an easement, idk). I have never had anyone leave junk laying around out there.  Once in a great while someone will leave out a piece of misdelivered mail instead of delivering to the house themselves like the rest of us.


In my old neighborhood the first three streets in got door delivery. My street had clusterboxes, the next street was door delivery, and the next two cluster boxes....and this was a closed subdivision
 
2013-07-24 08:03:06 AM

GoldSpider: LasersHurt: You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?

Like comparing the consolidation of mail delivery locations to "optikeye: third world country territory"?


This is truly Hitler's Maoville.
 
2013-07-24 08:13:23 AM

GoldSpider: LasersHurt: You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?

Like comparing the consolidation of mail delivery locations to "optikeye: third world country territory"?


I know right. Ar least we get to live large portions of our lives in cubicles.
 
2013-07-24 08:17:51 AM
Look, I don't want to ruin the hate on the House Repubs, cus they do suck quite a bit, but the suggestion was originally made by Hallmark, and had some support from the USPS. According to the NPR piece I heard, at least.
 
2013-07-24 08:19:23 AM

ChaoticCoyote: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.

What about legal stuff, new debit/credit cards, packages... ?


They automatically drop packages on your doorstep and email you to let you know.
Every piece of mail has a "send now" button on it if you need it in physical form.  The guy drops it off next time he's making his rounds.  They retain them for something like 60 or 90 days and shred them if you don't request them.
At one point they said for checks they were going to work something out where they'd automatically deposit them in your bank account, but that hasn't materialized yet.

jst3p: The NSA loves that you like this service.


I'm sure the NSA doesn't have any hooks into a government agency like the USPS.  Nope, they couldn't possibly open up your mail and very neatly re-seal it.
Anyhow, I'm not too concerned about the NSA knowing what's on sale at the grocery store this week, or when my car warranty is set to expire.  They can usually figure that stuff out through separate means.
 
2013-07-24 08:26:10 AM
"I'm 79 years old and my husband is 81 and if we had to go somewhere else to get our mail it would be a real problem,"

sharocity.com
 
2013-07-24 08:35:05 AM
This is a good idea, it will cut back on those deadly fuel emissions caused by mail delivery.
 
2013-07-24 08:36:14 AM

tbeatty: UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.


They also don't deliver letters, unless you want to pay for overnight delivery.  And if the USPS goes away, you better bet your ass that UPS and FedEx will both deliver junk mail.
 
2013-07-24 08:37:34 AM

midigod: tbeatty: UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.

They also don't deliver letters, unless you want to pay for overnight delivery.  And if the USPS goes away, you better bet your ass that UPS and FedEx will both deliver junk mail.


Of course UPS delivers letters, and they don't have to be next day delivery.
 
2013-07-24 08:42:38 AM
This will fly until those same Republicans discover that they have to walk to a "cluster box" to get their mail, and then it will stop.

Kind of like the sequester was a great idea until they found out it would impact their own travel schedules.
 
2013-07-24 08:44:23 AM

Lsherm: Old people like Medicare more than the post office.

Liberals: keep pretending money grows on trees. As Detroit found out, you can't borrow your way to success.


And way to deflect and avoid the issue.  Again, given the GOP's demographics, do you really think this will help with elections?

And since you're so concerned about wasteful money and the budget, surely you can agree to lower military spending, right?  At the very least on weapons programs the Pentagon doesn't even want?  You know, the ones that Republicans push for decades?
 
2013-07-24 08:52:24 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Not exactly.  They could create actual Euro notes, but it would be in violation of the terms of EU to do so without authorization.  The US is under no such restrictions to print dollars.

While I agree that further devaluing the dollar against other currencies through dilution isn't ideal for all purposes, it does have the effect of making US exports more attractive.  The weaker the dollar, the cheaper other countries can by our goods, which does indeed help the domestic economy in a way.


First, the Greeks could pull out of the EU and print drachmas again - as many as they want.

Second, it would help if we were actually printing money, which we aren't.
 
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2013-07-24 08:53:26 AM
somehow I think he doesn't mean his own neighborhood when he proposes this.
 
2013-07-24 08:54:18 AM

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


Maybe the fact that mail can get to such a place for 46 cents suggests that something is wrong with the system.

/also, Republican incompetence
//also, Republican malevolence
 
2013-07-24 08:57:31 AM

hubiestubert: Which is oddly enough, the same reason why private schools and public schools are not equal and opposite. Public schools have to take everyone, and accommodate special needs, while private schools can pick and choose their student body, and oddly enough, drop those that they think will drop their scores or cause too much trouble. Public schools have to at least make the attempt. The point of public schools is not a profit margin, and comparing them to private schools, that ARE supposed to run at a profit, it's not really an even comparison. It's akin to comparing hospice care and the recovery rates at a children's hospital, or a private clinic.

And that's sort of the point. The government takes on duties that for profit companies can't, or won't take on. Because there's not really a profit in doing so. And how many ideas trickle out of government labs, that eventually find their way to the private sector, but whose basis was in pure science research? The government isn't supposed to operate at a profit, and the comparisons to private firms, who do get to pick and choose their clients, that's neither fair, nor is it even a genuine argument. And yet, these for profit firms are still just annoyed that the government is still, after 225 years of service, that the US postal service is still guaranteed by the Constitution...


You certainly don't have to sell me on education and research, which are strongly supported supply-side economics.

/If anything, that proves that so-called "supply-side" conservatives aren't supply-side at all, but only interested in what they see will lower their tax burden, not what will make them the most money
//Some people would rather make $100k and have zero taxes than make $250k and have 50% taxes for the same work
 
2013-07-24 08:57:55 AM

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


The point isn't to set up something that works, the point is to set up something that doesn't work, so they can point at it and say "it's not working, see?".
 
2013-07-24 09:01:22 AM

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.


yeah pretty much this.
 
2013-07-24 09:02:02 AM
These things are allready everywhere, but they had better not go around pulling up perfectly good mail boxes to install these things in existing neighborhoods....
 They must be destroyed for the greater good!

brickdr.com
 
2013-07-24 09:06:52 AM
What percentage of the annual tax abatement/subsidy to Exxon would solve the budget problems for the USPS?
 
2013-07-24 09:07:58 AM
anyone who thinks their party is doing a better job of overseeing any government organization
is a nincompoop
 
2013-07-24 09:14:07 AM
Not sure i believe that it would save time or gas...
 
2013-07-24 09:15:47 AM

Notabunny: fta According to a recent report from the Postal Service's Office of the Inspector General, ending door-to-door delivery would save $4.5 billion a year.

How? I can guess, but I'd like to hear it from a Republican. And please explain how this fits into your Jobs!Jobs!Jobs! agenda.


Because every dollar the post office spends is a dollar taken out of the private sector. And the private sector would have invested that dollar and turned it into 4.5 billion dollars worth of jobs.
 
2013-07-24 09:15:54 AM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Yeah, and these farking things get robbed all of the time. People have one stop shopping for identity theft... Of course, Republicans know all about breaking the law.

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2013-07-24 09:16:10 AM

Z1P2: Not sure i believe that it would save time or gas...


Did you ever have a paper route as a kid? I did, and trust me, if I could have dropped a load at the top of the street instead of having to hit each drive way, it would have saved a hell of a lot of time.
 
2013-07-24 09:16:14 AM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


rich people gotta keep those tax cuts so they can afford to hire people to get their mail for them.
 
2013-07-24 09:17:41 AM

The Larch: Notabunny: fta According to a recent report from the Postal Service's Office of the Inspector General, ending door-to-door delivery would save $4.5 billion a year.

How? I can guess, but I'd like to hear it from a Republican. And please explain how this fits into your Jobs!Jobs!Jobs! agenda.

Because every dollar the post office spends is a dollar taken out of the private sector. And the private sector would have invested that dollar and turned it into 4.5 billion dollars worth of jobs.


in India or Korea or China etc.
 
2013-07-24 09:19:11 AM

Aristocles: Z1P2: Not sure i believe that it would save time or gas...

Did you ever have a paper route as a kid? I did, and trust me, if I could have dropped a load at the top of the street instead of having to hit each drive way, it would have saved a hell of a lot of time.


yeah but then they wouldn't have needed as many paper delivery boys so you most likely wouldn't have gotten the job.
 
2013-07-24 09:19:44 AM

tbeatty: heavymetal:
Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.


I always hear that but UPS and FedEx also doesn't do house to house delivery Monday through Saturday.  So until they have that service and expense added to their bottom line, it is an apples to oranges type comparison.
 
2013-07-24 09:20:56 AM

Mad Scientist: What percentage of the annual tax abatement/subsidy to Exxon would solve the budget problems for the USPS?


they should just bump the price of postage again is all.
 
2013-07-24 09:21:49 AM

Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.


Does that ridiculous $353 per stop amount include retirement benefits for employees who haven't been born yet?

Mad Scientist: What percentage of the annual tax abatement/subsidy to Exxon would solve the budget problems for the USPS?


This this this.
 
2013-07-24 09:22:39 AM

Kibbler: This will fly until those same Republicans discover that they have to walk to a "cluster box" to get their mail, and then it will stop.

Kind of like the sequester was a great idea until they found out it would impact their own travel schedules.


those hoverounds aren't that good for treking cross the hood.
 
2013-07-24 09:24:13 AM
Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system?  This is a new one to me...

/registered repub
//conservative libertarian
///enjoys getting mail
 
2013-07-24 09:28:52 AM
There's nothing wrong with cluster boxes as an idea, but what's the reasoning behind mandating them? Less wear and tear on the mailmen?
 
2013-07-24 09:28:52 AM

Full Metal Retard: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

It was Democrats who ended education in the USA, and replaced it with indoctrination and feel good bullshiat.   I'm guessing you went to all public schools, and found those beyond your intellectual grasp.


Exactly. This is why the red states consistently lead the country in education.
 
2013-07-24 09:30:29 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Stupid people to the Left, please.
People who can properly handle mathematics to the Right.
Okay now, what's Pension/Inflating US Dollar x Federal Hiring Practices?

If you came up with any answer other than Unsustainable, here's your sign.


You forgot the variable for congressional rules for assigning 50 years of pension money immediately into an untouchable, non interest bearing fund for every employee the post office hires as a mean for bankrupting the post office. Then again the GOP couldn't even successfully wipe out the post office yet.

Ben Franklin would biatchslap them into oblivion. It is supposed to be a service of national interest, not a for profit business.
 
2013-07-24 09:31:50 AM

m00: heavymetal: Of course their constituents who need the electric buggies to shop at Walmart thanks to their bad dietary choices and sedentary lifestyles, will be the first to complain about having to walk down the street to their "cluster box" for mail.  Then they will use it as an example of why government doesn't work, and why the Federal Post Service must be disbanded and privatized.

Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

I don't think it's this. It's the fact the media has brainwashed people into thinking we have to save every penny even if it means cutting into vital services (hey look, we're "doing something) while completely ignoring the billions of dollars a year GE gets in subsidies, the fact we bailed out New Zealand banks for I think over a trillion, the foreign aid we give to countries that hate us, the foreign aid we give to countries that we owe money, the military bases we keep around the world in places like Germany, the trillions we spend on having a standing military larger than the rest of the world combined coupled with the fact we still can't win a war...

Media doesn't talk about this.

Instead, lets cut education, postal services, and welfare!



Another thing regarding the "we have to save every penny even if it means cutting into vital services" menatality that is never addressed.  These "contracted/privatized" services do not cost any less on the whole, they just pay the workers less.  Any savings gets stashed away in foreign tax shelters by some venture capitalists who win the contract.  Instead of the current postal workers who are making a living wage and benfits pumping their expendable income into the local economy, you have a bunch of minimum wage contracted employees barely getting by. They also wind up more dependent on social welfare programs despite working because they make so little they still qualify for it.
 
2013-07-24 09:33:44 AM
Had these boxes at the old apartment complex.  Basically people dropped all the mass mailings on the ground, and no one picked them up.  Blocked traffic at the exit of the complex as people would park in both lanes and saunter their overweight asses over to get their mail and chat.

TLDR: People are too stupid for this to work smoothly.
 
2013-07-24 09:33:58 AM
Doesn't this fly in the face of the whining by tea party types only a year or so ago when they said that shutting down post offices in rural areas was going to hurt their flyover constituency?

Other than that it's actually a good idea.  99% of the mail delivered daily is junk mail.  The should get rid of that crap.  Move to a fed ex/ UPS model.
 
2013-07-24 09:37:22 AM

NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.


Yep.  And they make theft very convenient.  A couple of postal workers get robbed/killed each month for the keys to those boxes.
 
2013-07-24 09:38:16 AM

Teaser: "I'm 79 years old and my husband is 81 and if we had to go somewhere else to get our mail it would be a real problem,"

[sharocity.com image 600x375]




Don't worry, you will never be old.
 
2013-07-24 09:38:38 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Stupid people to the Left, please.
People who can properly handle mathematics to the Right.


www.mediaite.com
 
2013-07-24 09:39:45 AM

Maul555: Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system?  This is a new one to me...

/registered repub
//conservative libertarian
///enjoys getting mail


You haven't been paying attention, then, and I'm not saying that to be a jerk.

In 2006 the GOP passed and signed into a law a provision that the USPS needs to fund the healthcare and pensions of the USPS for 75 years in the future.  This was meant to drive the USPS into massive red ink, after which the House could demand why the USPS was such an utter failure and demand a solution to the problem that ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT involve raising postal rates or ending Saturday delivery or any other reasonable suggestion the USPS has come up with.

There are those in the GOP suggesting that PRIVATE INDUSTRY needs to take over mail delivery in this country, ignoring that we've been doing just fine on the mail delivery system for well over 200 years so far.

Remember...if it's working fine, break it and exclaim that it's broken.

/also a registered Republican
//very sick of the bullshiat from the GOP
///the Teahadists need to go be fat and illiterate somewhere else
 
2013-07-24 09:40:57 AM

Aristocles: Of course UPS delivers letters, and they don't have to be next day delivery.


I've just now checked my UPS account, and when you select UPS letter, the option for Ground delivery is no longer available.  When you instead select "Other Packaging," and enter the dimensions of a letter, the price for Ground service for the random address I selected three states away from me is $15.22.
 
2013-07-24 09:41:13 AM

gadian: We don't have a cluster box, but my closest two neighbors and I all have boxes right next to each other at the end of the shared driveway.  The driveway is about a mile long and it's about a mile to the next closest little row of mailboxes, so I feel like we're meeting the PO halfway with this.  The farker still likes to leave packages sitting on top of the boxes though, with his half-drunk morning cup of coffee.  Won't even waste a delivery slip and take the package back to the post office.


You live in Alaska if I recall.  Your experience is not typical of the rest of the country. Their are 200 thousand more people in my small county as your entire huge state.  My city equals about half the population of your state.
 
2013-07-24 09:42:08 AM

FLMountainMan: A couple of postal workers get robbed/killed each month for the keys to those boxes.


THis sounds like an exaggeration.
 
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