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(Fox 23 Tulsa)   House Republicans decide that people don't need mail delivered to their homes anymore, propose new neighborhood "cluster boxes." If only there was a word to insert between "cluster" and "boxes" that would describe the probable results   (fox23.com) divider line 503
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2013-07-24 05:33:52 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)


Ummm, because poor people are his base?  And he is looking to increase it.
 
2013-07-24 05:37:57 AM
Of course their constituents who need the electric buggies to shop at Walmart thanks to their bad dietary choices and sedentary lifestyles, will be the first to complain about having to walk down the street to their "cluster box" for mail.  Then they will use it as an example of why government doesn't work, and why the Federal Post Service must be disbanded and privatized.

Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.
 
2013-07-24 05:46:07 AM
"Earlier this year, the post office wanted to end Saturday mail delivery to save money, but that decision was later changed."
Wow, have never heard of Saturday mail delivery before now. An American thing? Cutting that seems like an easy way to save money. You get your mail on Monday... big deal.
 
2013-07-24 05:49:06 AM
heavymetal:
Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.
 
2013-07-24 05:52:34 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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Yeah... that would totally never happen in rural areas. Never..

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THAT is called a trailer park. Totally different.
 
2013-07-24 05:57:58 AM

Dwindle: I love how Democrats always stand up for the post office, but can't come up with any solution to make it function without doubling prices and junk mail content every two years.


They don't. They stand up for their Unions (and votes).
 
2013-07-24 06:09:58 AM
For such staunch defenders of the Constitution, it's amazing how much they despise the Constitutionally mandatory U.S. Postal Service and want to see it abolished.
 
2013-07-24 06:10:16 AM
They should have an opt out for mail service.
 
2013-07-24 06:12:27 AM

ckevinc: Dwindle: I love how Democrats always stand up for the post office, but can't come up with any solution to make it function without doubling prices and junk mail content every two years.

They don't. They stand up for their Unions (and votes).


Maybe if the GOP hadn't passed laws that force the USPS to fund their pension program for the next 75 years, something that no private business practice or any other government agency has to do, the USPS wouldn't be a financial mess.  (Okay, it probably would be a financial mess, but it would only be a fraction of the problem it currently is.)

But do carry on about unions.  It's adorable.
 
2013-07-24 06:16:06 AM

LiberalConservative: "Earlier this year, the post office wanted to end Saturday mail delivery to save money, but that decision was later changed."
Wow, have never heard of Saturday mail delivery before now. An American thing? Cutting that seems like an easy way to save money. You get your mail on Monday... big deal.


Except the GOP in the House told them they couldn't end Saturday delivery to save money, and they couldn't raise postal rates to bring in more revenue.  Oh, and they still have to fund their pension and retirement funds out through the next 75 years.  Republicans want the Constitutionally-mandated USPS to be abolished, and the only way they can do that is by breaking it beyond repair and then exclaiming, "See?  It doesn't work!"
 
m00
2013-07-24 06:16:08 AM

heavymetal: Of course their constituents who need the electric buggies to shop at Walmart thanks to their bad dietary choices and sedentary lifestyles, will be the first to complain about having to walk down the street to their "cluster box" for mail.  Then they will use it as an example of why government doesn't work, and why the Federal Post Service must be disbanded and privatized.

Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.


I don't think it's this. It's the fact the media has brainwashed people into thinking we have to save every penny even if it means cutting into vital services (hey look, we're "doing something) while completely ignoring the billions of dollars a year GE gets in subsidies, the fact we bailed out New Zealand banks for I think over a trillion, the foreign aid we give to countries that hate us, the foreign aid we give to countries that we owe money, the military bases we keep around the world in places like Germany, the trillions we spend on having a standing military larger than the rest of the world combined coupled with the fact we still can't win a war...

Media doesn't talk about this.

Instead, lets cut education, postal services, and welfare!
 
fdr
2013-07-24 06:18:39 AM
The Republican Party is the party that promoted the idea that patents pay doctors with chickens.
 
2013-07-24 06:20:12 AM

This About That: Somehow, the way of the Post Office strikes me as a metaphor for the way of the nation.


Except for the mandatory pension funding.
 
2013-07-24 06:29:51 AM
They should just close the USPS, and open it up to private enterprise, just like EVERY OTHER service.

But no, that would make too much sense. It makes much more sense to spend $7 BILLION on a logo upgrade, and sponsoring Lance "Cheaties" Armstrong in a bike race in Frogistan.
 
2013-07-24 06:35:53 AM

Goimir: SnakeLee: AdolfOliverPanties: Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

Start going to the websites that the people who say that stuff go to.  It usually involves the Illuminati and rounding up gun owners into concentration camps.  They just won't say it to you in an argument because they know how crazy it sounds to people who don't already believe in their conspiracy theories.

For instance, what the NSA is doing is bad, but it doesn't mean that a.) we live in a police state,* b.) Obama is engaged in a coup of sorts, c.) the anti-christ has risen, d.) the first step in logging all gun owners is complete, e.) someone is watching your every move, etc. etc. etc.  I feel like everyone actually wants to live in some fantasy dystopia just so they could biatch more.  Meanwhile, midterm election voter turnout is like 30%.

/*A real police state is so much worse than what we live in today.  This is tasteless hyperbole.  I will accept that if the powers that the government is getting were further expanded and someone unscrupulous person got the presidency we could head that way, but as it stands now we do not live in one.  It's not even an argument.  Stop it with the hyperbole and have a rational conversation.

The tipping point at which it becomes a police state is where the average citizen is afraid of the police.


So...yes?
 
2013-07-24 06:37:47 AM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.


Especially if you're an arthritic old granny who has to haul an oxygen tank behind her to get the mail.
 
2013-07-24 06:39:58 AM

Piizzadude: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Piizzadude: Serious question

Can you quit mail service? Just change your mailing address to nothing

I have a buddy who had no mail box, so no address the post office knew about. I don't think you're required to have mail service

/he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you

Yeah I got the spec'd thing covered. They stopped delivering mail to us for awhile (when you actually got things that are important) because it leaned too far to one side.

Now a days it is just bills and BS. The bills I get online already, the BS I could do without.


I would wager you're not required to have mail service necessarily, but pretty much anything to do with money will likely require a valid mailing address. I am thinking in particular wholly digital purchases online with a credit card. I guess you could load Paypal or other alternatives with money and pay without a CC.

So you're not required to have one, but if you don't you won't be able to use certain financial or other services.
 
2013-07-24 06:40:54 AM

Notabunny: fta According to a recent report from the Postal Service's Office of the Inspector General, ending door-to-door delivery would save $4.5 billion a year.

How? I can guess, but I'd like to hear it from a Republican. And please explain how this fits into your Jobs!Jobs!Jobs! agenda.


A) It would help the post office stay solvent, keeping all of those grocery store ad companies in business. The mail man in my neighborhood can deliver to all of the houses in about 20min. No way he could be that efficient having to go door to door.

B) those new cluster mail boxes aren't going to build or install themselves.
 
2013-07-24 06:48:54 AM

Fart_Machine: Sgygus: What you don't want is one of these clusterf&uck boxes in front of your own house.

/trust me on this one

Yup.  Nothing like lazy asshats leaving their collective junk mail on or around the boxes.


Maybe you live in a neighborhood with trashy neighbors.  People where I live tend not to litter in their own neighborhood.
 
2013-07-24 06:51:41 AM
If the GOP is proposing it, it's probably farked up six ways from Sunday...
 
2013-07-24 06:51:54 AM

From the Gizmodo comments section:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my vague recollection was that one of the biggest reason why the USPS is in such a financial bind was that in 2006 Congress passed the "Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act," which required the post office to make payments meant to fund health benefits for future Postal Service retirees. The law requires that the Postal Service pay about $5 billion a year toward future health benefits for 10 years, until 2017. Instead of creating these "solutions," Congress could repealed that law or at least lessen the impact of that $5 billion it would take a lot of that financial pressure off.

The reply:
Yep you're 100% right, they are actually profitable except for the fact that unlike any public or private business in the US, they had to pay the pensions for employees who were 10 when the law was enacted.

It was a Republican ploy to kill the Post Office and replace it with a purely private service, even though FedEx and UPS rely on the post office to deliver their packages (yep if you ship through them, you are actually shipping through the USPS) and both said flat out they WILL NOT deliver mail door to door which is required by law which is why the Post Office exists in the first place.

All a giant scam by the republicans to discredit a service that was actually paying for it's self prior to 2006.

 
2013-07-24 07:00:36 AM
99.99% of my mail was spam so I stopped walking a quarter mile to get it.

Now all my parcels are delivered UPS or FedEx. To my door. fark the USPS. I have a spam filter on my email, and my bills are electronic. The only good thing in that snail spam was a Bed Bath & Beyond coupon that essentially reminded me they could profit on anything despite a 20% off coupon.

I feel I'm going to have an interesting conversation with a judge if it turns out I've snubbed a jury summons. "Your honor, the converse of the first amendment, the right to free speech, is the right to ignore the inane drabble of ten thousand marketeers. I apologize if your summons was lost in the noise. Now, considering my prior statement, do you think any lawyer would want me on their jury? Look at this beard! I've been working on the madman appearance for 8 months now. "
 
2013-07-24 07:02:04 AM

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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And the folks out there probably vote Republican, too.

What I want to know is, . . . does this mean the House Republicans would start hiking over to the main D.C. Post Office to collect their mail? Or would it continue to be delivered right to their very own desks?
 
2013-07-24 07:06:50 AM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Yea. The elderly should shut up, get in their wheelchairs, and push themselves down the block in 110 degree weather, those lazy asses. God forbid indeed.
 
2013-07-24 07:08:54 AM
There is no need for more than twice a week delivery and home delivery is an obscene luxury that shouldn't be government financed.
 
2013-07-24 07:11:56 AM

This About That: Somehow, the way of the Post Office strikes me as a metaphor for the way of the nation.


Republicans purposefully trying to destroy it? Yep.
 
2013-07-24 07:14:56 AM

Dog Welder: For such staunch defenders of the Constitution, it's amazing how much they despise the Constitutionally mandatory U.S. Postal Service and want to see it abolished.


I thought the Constitution gave them power to establish post offices.   Nothing says anything about delivery to your house.  Or that it even be done by federal workers.  Or that a U.S. Postal Service even exists.
 
2013-07-24 07:16:32 AM

SevenizGud: They should just close the USPS, and open it up to private enterprise, just like EVERY OTHER service.

But no, that would make too much sense. It makes much more sense to spend $7 BILLION on a logo upgrade, and sponsoring Lance "Cheaties" Armstrong in a bike race in Frogistan.


So, when they do the things that private enterprise does (and the Armed Services), you dislike it. Got it.

I'm just curious, could you actually post something that wasn't a lie?
 
2013-07-24 07:17:21 AM
According to a recent report from the Postal Service's Office of the Inspector General, ending door-to-door delivery would save $4.5 billion a year

money makes jobs, we will save nothing
 
2013-07-24 07:17:21 AM

tbeatty: Dog Welder: For such staunch defenders of the Constitution, it's amazing how much they despise the Constitutionally mandatory U.S. Postal Service and want to see it abolished.

I thought the Constitution gave them power to establish post offices.   Nothing says anything about delivery to your house.  Or that it even be done by federal workers.  Or that a U.S. Postal Service even exists.


Our Founding Fathers got mail twice a day.
 
2013-07-24 07:17:44 AM

Dog Welder: But do carry on about unions. It's adorable.


One of the most amazing things the GOP has pulled of is turning the mouth-breathers against unions.
 
2013-07-24 07:19:26 AM
*off

need coffee
 
2013-07-24 07:19:56 AM

KeatingFive: I'm just curious, could you actually post something that wasn't a lie?


No, he's an inflammatory troll, only. Solely. No other tricks in that bag.
 
2013-07-24 07:26:23 AM

tbeatty: Dog Welder: For such staunch defenders of the Constitution, it's amazing how much they despise the Constitutionally mandatory U.S. Postal Service and want to see it abolished.

I thought the Constitution gave them power to establish post offices.   Nothing says anything about delivery to your house.  Or that it even be done by federal workers.  Or that a U.S. Postal Service even exists.


So you're suggesting that we should just have a bunch of building where people pile up mail and do nothing with it?  Because according to you that's all the U.S. Constitution demands.

If you look at the OVERALL COST of the U.S. Postal Service, it's a drop in the bucket compared to anything else this country does for the services they create.  There is NO PRIVATE BUSINESS around that could do what the U.S. Postal Service does at the prices they do it.  But what about FedEx and UPS?  THEY USE THE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE EXTENSIVELY and they themselves would not be able to function without it.

If you get rid of the USPS, you would farking CRIPPLE COMMERCE in this country.

The Teahadists are farking idiots and should be driven from public office.  Maybe they should stop trying to actively ruin the USPS and let the adults in the room take care of things.
 
2013-07-24 07:26:40 AM

m00: Goimir: The tipping point at which it becomes a police state is where the average citizen is afraid of the police.

Wait, they aren't?


My point was this already is a police state, and has been one since at least the 80s
 
2013-07-24 07:28:24 AM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


The GOP thinks Somalia is paradise.
/and the faster we can be like that the better, they say
 
2013-07-24 07:28:48 AM
I currently live 50 minutes outside of NYC and the town has no mailman, everyone needs a PO Box if they want their mail. Oh and I can only go on Saturday because I never make it home from work before they close on weekdays.

Basically, I already know what's coming if the GOP gets their odd wet dream of ruining the post office to pass. It kind of sucks.
 
2013-07-24 07:29:34 AM

SnakeLee: AdolfOliverPanties: Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

Start going to the websites that the people who say that stuff go to.  It usually involves the Illuminati and rounding up gun owners into concentration camps.  They just won't say it to you in an argument because they know how crazy it sounds to people who don't already believe in their conspiracy theories.

For instance, what the NSA is doing is bad, but it doesn't mean that a.) we live in a police state,* b.) Obama is engaged in a coup of sorts, c.) the anti-christ has risen, d.) the first step in logging all gun owners is complete, e.) someone is watching your every move, etc. etc. etc.  I feel like everyone actually wants to live in some fantasy dystopia just so they could biatch more.  Meanwhile, midterm election voter turnout is like 30%.

/*A real police state is so much worse than what we live in today.  This is tasteless hyperbole.  I will accept that if the powers that the government is getting were further expanded and someone unscrupulous person got the presidency we could head that way, but as it stands now we do not live in one.  It's not even an argument.  Stop it with the hyperbole and have a rational conversation.


The shift to a police state doesnt happen overnight unless you want a massive revolt. Slowly expanding on powers is the best solution as people accept new laws and move on.
 
2013-07-24 07:31:17 AM

Goimir: My point was this already is a police state, and has been one since at least the 80s


You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?
 
2013-07-24 07:36:11 AM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


Amazing what they have been able to do the last five years, oh wait.

So republicans should spend more time sexting their weiner instead? Like good democrats?
 
2013-07-24 07:37:41 AM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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I wouldn't bother.
 
2013-07-24 07:37:52 AM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


"House Republicans..." So 2 or 3 Republicans are stupid and didn't read the bill before signing on to co-sponsor it. That turns the word "Republican" into plural" in a way to make capitalize using the media hammer to make it appear that all Republicans, without exception, are all on board.

Another case of blaming the face of one side of a coin for the total weight of the whole. Enjoy the divide and conquer.
 
2013-07-24 07:39:21 AM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Mommy? can I go get the mail?

www.proverbsforlife.com
 
2013-07-24 07:40:56 AM
My cluster box is 2 blocks away.  Easy walk.
 
2013-07-24 07:41:29 AM
What does it matter, I'm still not going to get my mail thanks to the difficulty of matching numbers and streets on envelopes to houses...
 
2013-07-24 07:43:08 AM

geoduck42: TwowheelinTim: No smashed boxes from bozos who think they're cool is high on the list.

A solution to this I once read: Get a large metal mailbox, and another the next size down. Put the latter inside the former and fill the gaps between the two with a batch of concrete. Mount it solidly enough on the support pole, and you'll find shards of broken baseball bat scattered around your driveway.

On topic.. my street uses the cluster-box model, and it works fine. One plus side for senior citizens; going to get the mail gives them a chance to socialize with the neighbors.


I always see huge concrete mailboxes laying on it's side.
 
2013-07-24 07:44:33 AM
The USPS should just team up with the NSA and send you their scanned copy of your mail by email; then you can click a link if you actually need something delivered.
 
2013-07-24 07:46:42 AM
I see a lot of people didn't read TFA.

They aren't thinking of stopping curbside mail delivery (i.e. at your mailbox). They're considering ending the postman who walks from door to door and shoves the mail through a slot in the door, or puts it in a box at your door.

/since it's a Republican supported idea though, I immediately question the intent behind this
 
2013-07-24 07:48:22 AM
doesn't bother me at all.  The only reason I go to my mailbox is on garbage day.  Drag my garbage can down to the street.  Open up mailbox, extract contents, place contents in garbage can.

I MAY get one valid piece of mail delivered to me per month.  Can't stand that I have to throw out other peoples trash.
 
2013-07-24 07:52:44 AM

SevenizGud: They should just close the USPS, and open it up to private enterprise, just like EVERY OTHER service.

But no, that would make too much sense. It makes much more sense to spend $7 BILLION on a logo upgrade, and sponsoring Lance "Cheaties" Armstrong in a bike race in Frogistan.


Fine.  I hope you don't mind paying $100 for a package to be delivered, or $75 or more for an overnight letter and $35 for a first class letter to be delivered.  That's pretty much what would happen without the backbone of the USPS, since UPS, FedEx, and many other package carriers would have to make up the difference somewhere.  You don't think they'll actually try to lower prices should the USPS go away, do you?

That's not the way it works in the private sector, and if they can gouge your ass for more, they will.
 
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